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00:00:06It's 2 PM here in Paris, glad to have you back on France 24
00:00:10for this second day of Pope Leo XIV's visit
00:00:13to France. The
00:00:16and women's liberation, sovereign pontiff is still in Paris, he is presiding over a solemn mass this
00:00:18have come from afternoon in Place de la Concorde. Everything is
00:00:22being set up, as you can see in the image. At least
00:00:25600,000 people are expected on the Champs-Élysées avenue and well
00:00:29beyond. We will follow this event live
00:00:32hopes for, he expects a word, a sign from with our teams on site on this avenue of the
00:00:35Champs-Élysées and here in the studio with Constance Colona
00:00:39Césari, a journalist specializing in the Vatican, and Father François Evet who is
00:00:43also with us. Hello to both of you, welcome to the France 24 set.
00:00:54François, it's a mass in honor of
00:00:54the
00:01:00A new morning of meetings dedicated primarily to men and women forced into
00:01:03exile and welcomed here in Paris at the Bakita House, which is an
00:01:08caught me a bit off guard, but in honor of association. Leo XIV then de Triomphe, Place de met with newly baptized individuals at the
00:01:11Catholic Institute of Paris. He is now expected at Place de la
00:01:14Concorde for a solemn open-air mass
00:01:17in the presence of at least
00:01:20out of interest. I think that 60,000 people who have already taken their places since very early this morning on the
00:01:24Champs-Élysées, on the Avenue de la Grande Armée, on this
00:01:27Place de la Concorde and
00:01:30even well beyond. Our teams are
00:01:33mobilized to experience this moment with you.
00:01:37Anne Corpé, Marie Chister, and Florence Gaillard,
00:01:40thank you all three for being on deck for
00:01:43a few more hours. Marie Chister, first, you are
00:01:47accompanied by participants, one of those
00:01:50people who has made the trip to the Champs-Élysées
00:01:53to follow this solemn open-air mass that
00:01:56starts in just
00:02:00a moment.
00:02:04Yes, indeed, it's a mass that starts in just one hour, and as you
00:02:07can perhaps see in the images, the Champs-Élysées are packed with people. About a quarter of an hour ago, everyone
00:02:10started waving the small
00:02:14Vatican flag that was
00:02:1715,000 members of the police distributed to the 600,000 participants expected
00:02:20here on the Champs-Élysées, and the atmosphere is very
00:02:23joyful. I'm joined by Xavier. Xavier, you came from
00:02:26Lille to see Pope Leo XIV, exactly. And you
00:02:30were explaining to me that in the train there was already
00:02:33this celebration this morning, right? Yeah, that's right, a great team from the
00:02:37Diocese of Lille who took care of us, who offered us a
00:02:40scarf, everything needed to set up a great
00:02:44courage. I atmosphere, and then we already felt a
00:02:47fervor, people were happy to be there, anyway. You were also
00:02:50given a decal on your cheek, so we're playing along,
00:02:53we're trying to get into
00:02:57it a bit because it's not easy for everyone, I think. There are some who were
00:03:02otherness. asking questions before coming and are looking for
00:03:04and state, has contributed answers, who hesitated to come, and so I
00:03:06think you have to get into it, you know. Why
00:03:10hesitate, why hesitate to come? Well, he's the Pope, he's
00:03:14a famous person. I'm a practicing Christian, so of course
00:03:17I should be interested, but one might wonder why, but
00:03:20well,
00:03:23Catholic, very practicing, the reflecting, I understood that he was the right hand of
00:03:28secularism is not excluding religion from Christ, he was God's spokesman, so he definitely had something to tell me, that's why I'm
00:03:32here. You're actually hoping that from this meeting,
00:03:35eventually, you'll have some kind of revelation,
00:03:38right? Yes, of course, we all expect, I think, a
00:03:42sign, a word, a sign. People aren't all going to have an
00:03:46individual interview with the Pope, we are all aware of that,
00:03:50but I think, you hear the
00:03:52songs, it's all that that's important, it's the beauty of the people we meet, they're
00:03:56all happy to be here, it's a message, you know. Is it an
00:04:00event that should be reserved only for believers, for Christians, or do you
00:04:04actually welcome the fact that there might also be in the
00:04:07crowd people who don't believe or who have their own religion? Well,
00:04:11absolutely, Christ
00:04:14came for everyone, all
00:04:16largely outside the men, without any prejudice, he came to
00:04:19save everyone, really no
00:04:23problem. I think Christians are aware
00:04:26that the Pope is coming, but not only that. I have
00:04:30met people who work in companies right here in Paris who asked me how to
00:04:34come, where to go, where to register.
00:04:36So they know, they know. It's also a
00:04:40historic event for you Christians because it's also a
00:04:44moment where you can demonstrate your fervor, your religious
00:04:47fervor, right? Beyond the demonstration, I think for
00:04:51those you were just talking about who are not practicing Christians,
00:04:54meaning people who don't go to mass every Sunday or who don't
00:04:58have... Well, who are not steeped in
00:05:02this religion, it's the spirit, it's to say, well,
00:05:05try it, come, connect, enter a
00:05:09church, just look at the Virgin Mary.
00:05:12Look, go, come and see, come and taste, you know. You think religion
00:05:16is important, that's it for this testimony at the microphone of Marie Chuster.
00:05:20Sorry if the connection isn't always perfect because there are many, many
00:05:23people on this avenue of the Champs Élysées, at least
00:05:26600,000 people. Father François
00:05:29Evet, we just heard this testimony at Marie Schuster's microphone,
00:05:33this man who is a believing, practicing Catholic, who
00:05:37explained that he had asked himself many questions and had also come looking
00:05:41for answers. He
00:05:45the sovereign pontiff. When we know that religious services in France don't
00:05:49gather so many people, when you see these images, these
00:05:52hundreds of thousands of people gathered at the same time
00:05:56on this avenue, how do you receive these images? Ah,
00:05:59well, obviously, it's impressive, it's rare to have such large
00:06:03gatherings. We remember that when other popes, it goes back a few
00:06:06years, came to Paris, especially John Paul II,
00:06:09obviously, who had a charisma, also drew crowds, there were hundreds of thousands of
00:06:13people, up to 1 million, I think, I seem to remember,
00:06:17there was World Youth Day in '97, so these are large gatherings that are
00:06:21indeed important, in which there is also a part
00:06:25of, well, of course, practicing Catholics who come for
00:06:29mass, and also out of curiosity,
00:06:33Christianity
00:06:36continues, or perhaps interests even more today than it did
00:06:395 or 10 years ago, so, well,
00:06:43to see the overall interest in the Pope's trip, it's interesting to
00:06:47see that it generates interest largely
00:06:50outside the Catholic world. And in what way does Christianity interest more than it did 5
00:06:54or 10 years ago from your point of view? Well, that's a good question, we can
00:06:58discuss it. I think what makes people turn more to this today, especially
00:07:01young people, I think that's not the trend. I
00:07:05don't want to answer for young people or place myself on the
00:07:09sociological point of view, but perhaps historically.
00:07:12It's been a long time now, a very long time,
00:07:14that the Republic has
00:07:18separated from religion. After the fusion of
00:07:20the divine right monarchy, obviously,
00:07:24it's an old story, so there were anti-clerical beginnings,
00:07:27we must admit. It devoured priests for a long time,
00:07:31this Republic, and now, finally,
00:07:35what does it mean to
00:07:37be anti-clerical? It doesn't mean anything anymore, you don't
00:07:41need to be. The church is a minority in this country, so we realize that even
00:07:45Catholics don't dare to affirm themselves as Catholics. So when we see events like
00:07:49this, and people have been saying it since this morning to your
00:07:52special envoys, well, you need
00:07:56dare to say that I am Catholic, etc. So there is something
00:07:59re-emerging that is perhaps more historical, a peaceful
00:08:03relationship between ultimately,
00:08:07would you say that the principle of the value of secularism,
00:08:11to which the Republic is very, very attached, and especially since the separation of church
00:08:16to this society becoming more secular?
00:08:20Well, it has, yes,
00:08:23yes and no, because the law of
00:08:261905, as we recall, and of 1905,
00:08:30this law of separation in a France that still remains very
00:08:35shift happened more in the 60s, it's more
00:08:39the evolution of societal issues, as they say, the evolution
00:08:42of morals after after the
00:08:46glorious period at the end, which
00:08:49in fact led to a very, very rapid decline in
00:08:53religious practice. But today, what I would also like to add
00:08:56is that it's an effect of... that is, an effect of
00:08:59the Popes. Already under Francis, the
00:09:02texts of the Popes intervening, bringing elements of
00:09:06reflection on the great contemporary issues, which is precisely the contrast
00:09:09with the 70s, where we were in a period of great development of
00:09:13technical progress, etc. Today, we are much more worried about
00:09:16the future, we are asking questions, ecology and new
00:09:19technologies, these are the two themes that emerge, where in
00:09:22fact the messages of the Popes
00:09:25interest, once again,
00:09:28Church. It's striking to see the impact of the encyclical
00:09:32Magnifica Humanitas, essentially on AI.
00:09:36I was at UNESCO and it was one of the themes
00:09:38that has a very, very
00:09:42strong impact, and I think that shows well what
00:09:46Christianity, apart from more patrimonial
00:09:49elements, we'll come back to that, well, indeed, the
00:09:52defense of certain monuments, etc., but more broadly, more deeply than that,
00:09:56on the life of society, that spiritual
00:09:59traditions in general and
00:10:03Christianity in particular provide
00:10:07elements of reflection. Yes, and exactly. I find that
00:10:10on the one hand, the Church has the intuition to meet the
00:10:13concerns, especially of young people. The Pope said yesterday, the
00:10:17fatigue of screens, anxiety about ecology,
00:10:20the environment, and also wars, international crises.
00:10:24But also, I find that, and you're right, the Popes
00:10:28have changed the way they address young
00:10:31people. And I find that what created the break of the
00:10:3560s is also in the area of morals
00:10:41sexual practices, family life. And these encyclicals,
00:10:44for example, Humanae Vitae, were
00:10:48very poorly received because why was the Church interfering
00:10:51in people's sexual lives? We're going to address this theme.
00:10:56We'll have more time and opportunity to do so. The Pope has
00:10:59now taken his place aboard his Popemobile, which is preparing
00:11:03to descend this avenue of the Champs-Élysées to go
00:11:06and preside over this mass scheduled for 3 p.m. Paris time.
00:11:10Anne Corpé is on site, she's on this avenue of the Champs-Élysées
00:11:14at a higher vantage point. Anne, you're with us. The Pope will
00:11:17soon descend this avenue to officially open
00:11:21this solemn open-air mass that he is to preside over.
00:11:27Yes, the Popemobile is currently circling the Arc
00:11:32l'Étoile, and a tremendous roar
00:11:35accompanies him. The crowd, you can probably hear it behind me, even though I'm
00:11:39on the 6th floor on the publicist's
00:11:42terrace,
00:11:45is waving the Vatican flags that were distributed at the
00:11:48entrance, as well as French flags. There is truly
00:11:51a fervor. It must be said that people have
00:11:55been here since 9 AM this morning, they
00:11:58were even waiting for the barriers
00:12:01to open even before 9 AM, and the Popemobile will
00:12:05begin its descent of the Champs-Élysées.
00:12:08600,000 people are announced, which is a figure three times
00:12:11larger than the number of people who attended the last papal mass
00:12:15in Paris, which was in 2008 with the Pope.
00:12:18You know that the security measures have been
00:12:22extended because originally
00:12:25it only included the Place de la Concorde and the Champs-Élysées,
00:12:29and the Avenue de la Grande Armée, which is located behind the Arc de
00:12:33Triomphe, was added. An imposing
00:12:36security detail accompanies this
00:12:39day with
00:12:42force, elite snipers positioned on the
00:12:46rooftops. I don't know if you can hear the crowd, the
00:12:49Pope is passing just below us there on the Champs
00:12:53Élysées, and the people are truly
00:12:57in an indescribable joy, waving
00:13:00their flags. The Popemobile will
00:13:03descend the Champs-Élysées until it reaches
00:13:06the Place de la Concorde where the mass will take place.
00:13:10A mass that will be attended by several
00:13:13presidential candidates. The message is not
00:13:17a political message, but a message of peace,
00:13:20a message of respect for human dignity, respect for
00:13:24diversity, for
00:13:27And we see clearly, even if it is not officially
00:13:30a political message, each of the presidential
00:13:34candidates will be able to find resonance
00:13:37in the proposals they intend to make to the French people,
00:13:40French people who are currently immersed in a form
00:13:44of popular jubilation around Leo XIV who
00:13:47is descending the Champs-Élysées before our eyes in his
00:13:51Popemobile, and we can see him in the image. We've seen
00:13:54him arrive on our screens, we've seen him at least
00:13:57via this aerial image, this
00:14:01Popemobile, preceded by what we see, a security convoy as well, and the Pope
00:14:04saluting on both sides this dense
00:14:07crowd that has formed on this Champs-Élysées. We're going to take the time to watch
00:14:11and observe these images for a moment.
00:14:23So we see in slow motion, it seems.
00:14:26The Pope must have stopped for a moment.
00:14:40Anne Corp, who also has a high vantage point since she is on
00:14:44the 6th floor of this building, so that allows us to have another angle on
00:14:47this avenue of the Champs-Élysées. Anne Corp, you
00:14:51were talking earlier about a clamor, and we can see and hear it.
00:15:26Indeed, at the beginning of the 60s, 85%
00:15:29of French people identified as Catholic.
00:15:33Today, they are less than 50%, and only 5%
00:15:36of French people go to mass every
00:15:39Sunday. There has also been a collapse
00:15:42in priestly recruitment, as
00:15:46only 84 priests were
00:15:49ordained this year, and nearly 30% of the
00:15:53priests officiating in France today abroad, mostly
00:15:57from Africa. Infant baptisms
00:16:00are much less frequent than before, one baby out of
00:16:0310 today compared to one out of 2 at the beginning of the 2000s.
00:16:07But the new phenomenon is the resurgence of
00:16:11adult and adolescent baptisms.
00:16:1521,000 people have requested
00:16:18this sacrament today, and the Pope
00:16:21this morning when he met these newly
00:16:24baptized individuals, said he was amazed by
00:16:28this number. It's a phenomenon that keenly interests
00:16:32Vatican. We have, in a way, moved
00:16:35from a Catholicism of
00:16:38transmission to a Catholicism
00:16:42of adherence. It's something quite recent and
00:16:45quite new that therefore interests
00:16:49Pope Leo XIV,
00:16:51who continues his descent of the
00:16:55Champs-Élysées and who will
00:16:57celebrate mass. A mass that
00:17:01is surrounded by a real popular
00:17:03enthusiasm, an enthusiasm that we do not find every Sunday in the many
00:17:07parishes of our territory. Thank you very much, Anne. We'll be
00:17:11back with you throughout this afternoon to continue experiencing with
00:17:14you, and thanks to the high vantage point you have from that terrace, this
00:17:18sequence. The sovereign pontiff, we see him in the image, has just
00:17:22stopped and is pausing for a moment,
00:17:25also meeting these babies. This is the
00:17:28sequence of the children blessed by the sovereign
00:17:32pontiff.
00:18:08Absolutely, Nabia, and if you see, I don't know if you see behind me all
00:18:11these young people who are agitated, who are calling the name of Leo
00:18:15XIV, there are flags, flags from Normandy, from the
00:18:19Vatican, from France. The crowd is in
00:18:22jubilation, the young people have been calling him for hours: Leo, Leo,
00:18:26Leo XIV. Behind me are also these priests who
00:18:29are patiently waiting for him, they are all in white, and the
00:18:32choristers who have been training all morning to sing, who
00:18:36will sing in this mass. These are choristers who come from all over
00:18:39France. We felt the tension, the anticipation building
00:18:43here in Place de la Concorde, and now we are waiting for him
00:18:46firmly, and we see this Pope who made us wait a little
00:18:49bit. Now he is greeting the crowd, he is blessing the
00:18:53children. It's a moment of popular jubilation. We didn't really have it
00:18:56yesterday during the walkabout, or even at
00:18:59Notre-Dame where it remained quite quiet, quite
00:19:02strict. Now, we are in a moment of communion and
00:19:06I want to say that this great moment of fervor has
00:19:09begun.
00:19:12that you are following, that you see in the image and you hear. Thank you
00:19:15very much, Florence. The sovereign pontiff is on his way to you to preside
00:19:19over this open-air mass. What Florence just said is true,
00:19:22Constance. We were together yesterday on the set when
00:19:26the Pope left UNESCO to
00:19:29make his way towards Notre-Dame
00:19:32Cathedral. He didn't stop as many
00:19:35times, or maybe he took advantage of this popular moment, and exactly,
00:19:39and then the journey was shorter, 2.5
00:19:42km. It was still the sidewalks, of course, it wasn't this
00:19:46crowd, it wasn't 60,000 people. Here we hear these
00:19:50people, the sound of this crowd, so obviously it's
00:19:54contagious, a crowd so there's something interactive
00:19:57there and we feel that he's really in this mass,
00:20:01taken as he was a bit yesterday at the Stade de
00:20:04France.
00:20:07contagious, of course, to feel acclaimed, applauded,
00:20:10while ultimately a vehicle that moves too quickly, the sidewalks,
00:20:14plus the boulevards of Paris are quite wide. Well, this is special
00:20:17because I was trying to say Pope
00:20:20superstar too, since yesterday, today he's descending this avenue of the
00:20:23Champs-Élysées, his name is acclaimed with this
00:20:27fervor. Father François, is it too much to say
00:20:30that we really have the feeling that the Pope is becoming a superstar
00:20:33during his trip here to Paris? In any case, all the
00:20:37components of such a sequence are gathered together. In fact, yes, that's what we
00:20:41undeniably observe. Yes, even if by temperament, it's true, the contrast with
00:20:44John Paul II who was a theater actor, who seemed more
00:20:48stiff, well, I mean, when you see him at UNESCO, not
00:20:52far, I saw him arrive, he doesn't seem necessarily
00:20:56very comfortable, well, but here he is comfortable, I
00:20:59think. Do you think he's enjoying the moment? Is he enjoying this moment? I think
00:21:03so, it shows, I find, for once,
00:21:06yes, I think he's really into it, he's really into it, and I think he must
00:21:10be quite pleasantly surprised by the welcome he received. I don't know
00:21:14what he expected here in France, maybe he had an image of France
00:21:18as a secular country, as they say, etc. So people come out of curiosity,
00:21:21but this fervor, well, for young people it's less surprising, but it's true, this
00:21:25fervor on the Champs-Élysées is perhaps more, and it's retransmitted on
00:21:28giant screens, you see these giant screens on both sides also, which allow to follow
00:21:32because they cost a lot, they cost a lot.
00:21:36Yes, we're at around 40,000 euros, we're going
00:21:38to point that out, because it's also information: 40,000
00:21:42euros per screen, and I think there are about forty
00:21:45screens deployed on this Champs-Élysées avenue
00:21:48to broadcast this mass, which will therefore take place on the side of this
00:21:52Champs-Élysées avenue, on this Place de la Concorde, and we know that this
00:21:56crowd invests this entire Champs-Élysées
00:22:00avenue, the Avenue de la Grande Armée, all the way to Porte Maillot, so it's
00:22:03really far beyond this single Champs-Élysées
00:22:07avenue. So, we'll keep an eye on these images, we're doing it
00:22:11on both sides of this set. The Place de la Concorde
00:22:14also raised questions, people wondered about setting up
00:22:18this mass in Place de la... it was during the Revolution, some considered
00:22:22it indecent,
00:22:25an attack on secularism. Well, the president of the
00:22:28Bishops' Conference, I'll just provide some information, Constance, the president of the Bishops'
00:22:32Conference had explained that according to the prefecture,
00:22:36it was the easiest place to secure,
00:22:39so that's why the choice fell on the Place de la Concorde. In any
00:22:43case, it's causing a reaction, yes, that's it, it's causing a reaction.
00:22:47I think that in the choice, there was still the desire to
00:22:50reproduce this recipe that worked so well for the Olympic Games, meaning
00:22:53for Paris to be the natural backdrop. It's much more beautiful to have the city
00:22:57as a backdrop than to have a stadium. What does a stadium represent
00:23:00exactly?
00:23:03So it worked well for the opening
00:23:06ceremony of the Olympic Games. It was secured, I
00:23:09think it's more difficult than securing an enclosure, so that argument, I
00:23:13don't really believe it. We know that, in any case, Emmanuel
00:23:17Macron said, "I was the one who wanted it, who
00:23:20insisted on the Concorde." So there is still a dimension, he
00:23:24wanted to make it grand, beautiful, majestic, all the
00:23:28superlatives. It's a success, and
00:23:31it's rather more complicated when it comes to the notion of secularism.
00:23:34I don't really see the problem. Indeed, it's a
00:23:37place that historically has been marked by, of course, the
00:23:41beheadings of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, and other
00:23:45figures of the monarchy, while
00:23:47the others, I would say, who were not "people," would rather go
00:23:51to the Place du Trône Renversé to be guillotined. So, it's a
00:23:55place that was renamed Place de la Concorde by the
00:23:58Revolution itself, by the Republic in 1795.
00:24:02Why forbid a
00:24:05religious event, for me the secularism, it's the
00:24:08possibility for all religions to express themselves
00:24:11as long as they don't attack, as the sovereign pontiff
00:24:15said yesterday,
00:24:18public space, so it's time to address this question because it's also
00:24:22questioned precisely in our country, some elected officials said that the Pope was
00:24:26welcome but that this open-air mass could be questioned, Marie
00:24:29Chuster, you are still on this avenue of the Champs-Élysées, you are
00:24:32halfway between the Arc de Triomphe and this Place de la Concorde,
00:24:36have you actually seen the sovereign pontiff
00:24:40descending where you are and
00:24:44there he is still being acclaimed,
00:24:47well, I haven't seen him yet, but he
00:24:51should be arriving soon because I saw the first motorcycle gendarmes
00:24:54pass just now as you asked me the
00:24:58question, I can tell you that it's madness here, everyone is standing on the
00:25:02barriers, women are standing on men's shoulders, priests
00:25:06are literally standing on the
00:25:08barriers, children are obviously standing on their
00:25:12parents' shoulders, so I don't know, I, well, people
00:25:16see me, I don't know if you'll be able to see the Pope, he'll arrive in
00:25:20a few moments, a few seconds, I see, I see the
00:25:24procession arriving towards me, in any case, the fact remains that even my
00:25:27cameraman has disappeared because he himself wants to film this
00:25:30historic moment, in short, it's really madness, fervor,
00:25:34young people are standing, they've been cheering the Pope
00:25:37for hours, the procession is passing
00:25:41right next to me, maybe you can see it, maybe you can
00:25:44hear this fervor that is gradually rising in this
00:25:48crowd, do you hear it? Well, we have young people,
00:25:52parents, children, obviously, so some have brought their babies in
00:25:55the hope that the Pope will bless their
00:25:59babies, and you may see it behind me in a few
00:26:02seconds, the Pope is right there next to me, you'll see him,
00:26:06he's greeting the crowd, he hasn't stopped, this time he's greeting the crowd, he's very
00:26:10smiling, it's really madness, we've seen
00:26:13some people who have been there for hours, who,
00:26:16sorry, who are so fervent that tears
00:26:20are streaming down their cheeks, it was truly a historic moment
00:26:24for many Catholics, we were
00:26:27saying more than 60,000 are expected here on
00:26:30the Champs-Élysées, and just by looking, I'd even say there are
00:26:34probably more today, thank
00:26:37you very much Marie, you stay put, we'll come back to
00:26:40find you in a moment to continue following this
00:26:44sequence on the Avenue des Champs-Élysées, the sovereign pontiff who continues to
00:26:47descend this avenue to head towards this Place de la Concorde where
00:26:51he will preside over this mass, Father
00:26:57the Virgin Mary that will be said later at 3 p.m.,
00:27:00what do we know about the unfolding of this religious
00:27:03ceremony? Uh, I admit I don't have much
00:27:06information on this question, you've
00:27:10the Virgin Mary, how, how was it decided, by the way, is it the sovereign pontiff who
00:27:14decides himself how he presides? Traditionally, in
00:27:18Catholicism, on Saturday, one can celebrate a mass in honor
00:27:21of Mary, well, it's a tradition because in
00:27:24fact, today there's a feast of
00:27:28the Pope and Damian, but anyway,
00:27:32it's not necessarily very popular, tomorrow he will say
00:27:36Sunday mass, so it was a way to have a theme, if you
00:27:40will, for the mass that effectively joins the
00:27:43piety of many, many people, Natalia
00:27:46Mendoza, whom we will find in a moment, is also very close to this
00:27:50Place de la Concorde, while waiting to establish the connection, oh,
00:27:53you're there, hello,
00:27:57Natalia, yes, hello, I can tell
00:27:59you, here we feel an atmosphere,
00:28:03the effervescence, the immense enthusiasm, the
00:28:06joy of this crowd waiting for Pope
00:28:10Leo XIV in a few minutes
00:28:13here on the Place de la Concorde, and I'm with
00:28:16Gabriel, a young man who came today to
00:28:19attend, what were you saying? In what
00:28:22state of mind, what did you expect from this night? So we are all in a
00:28:26spirit of joy, of love, we meet many Christians and expect many
00:28:30strong messages during this mass, beautiful
00:28:32messages of peace that he will be able to convey to us and guidelines for us all to advance in our
00:28:36faith. Where do you come from? When did you arrive here? So we come from
00:28:39Normandy, from the diocese of Coutances, half of the young people,
00:28:42the youngest ones, arrived yesterday to hold a vigil at the Stade de France and were joined by people
00:28:46of all ages from parishes for the Concorde mass this morning, so
00:28:50the first ones arrived on site at 10 a.m. and we arrived at noon. What does
00:28:54Pope Leo XIV represent for you? So Leo XIV is our
00:28:57head of the church, he is also a guide because he is the one who teaches us
00:29:01the Gospels. Who gives us good guidelines to advance in our
00:29:04faith, there you go, the Popemobile should arrive
00:29:08here in a few minutes for this historic
00:29:11mass on the Place de la Concorde here
00:29:15in the center of Paris, thank you very much Natalia, thank you, we'll
00:29:18come back to you a little later also to continue following
00:29:22this event and this mass,
00:29:26Catherine and Father François, by the way, I'd like us to react to what was just said by
00:29:29this young man who was already at the Stade de France.
00:29:32Yesterday, so to the question of what the Pope embodies, he is a
00:29:36guide and that he expects from the sovereign pontiff that he will
00:29:40give elements in the line of conduct of faith, is that what we expect
00:29:43from him today? Yes, well, that's what he does in
00:29:47his texts, so without moralizing,
00:29:50we discussed this question yesterday, I think it was with you,
00:29:53Constance, in fact, yes, that's his
00:29:57manner,
00:29:59not moralistic, and I would still like to highlight an element to
00:30:03avoid making, I would say, the Pope the only
00:30:06channel, he insists in his texts,
00:30:10particularly that reflection must be done together, this is
00:30:14what Pope Francis called by a word that is not
00:30:17necessarily known to everyone, a little special, which is the word synodality,
00:30:21that is, it is together that we must advance, so the Pope
00:30:24advances, but precisely we must
00:30:27say, we must advance
00:30:30together, it's not just.
00:30:44But yes, but precisely, but I think that we are in the process of changing things from this point of view and Francis had already started the
00:30:47process, to say, but of course,
00:30:50clergy, he has a magisterium, he has people whose
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