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00:00:10Hello everyone, thank you for being with us on France 24. On the front page
00:00:14of this news, 700,000 people were gathered earlier
00:00:18at Place de la Concorde for the Pope's XXL mass. Leo XIV
00:00:22is now on his way to Lourdes for a prayer in the Grotto of
00:00:26Apparitions which will take place in the evening. But before that, the...
00:00:30highlights of this day with Marie Chuster. She will be live with
00:00:33us, she is live with us from Place de la Concorde. She will
00:00:37tell us about this day. And then we are also with Constance
00:00:40Colonna Césari, Vatican specialist journalist. Hello to you, thank you
00:00:43for being with us.
00:00:47Rejection, Donald Trump rejects the Iranian offer to
00:00:51reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days. It was during the UN General Assembly
00:00:55this week that Tehran made the proposal. The American
00:00:58president, for his part, believes that the Iranians are losing the
00:01:01game. We will come back to this in this news. And then
00:01:05Bangkok under water. The Thai capital is submerged
00:01:08after the torrential rains that have fallen in the last 48
00:01:12hours. The state of natural disaster has been declared.
00:01:15Significant floods have been observed particularly on the roads, but the
00:01:19situation is now
00:01:21proposal at the UN General Assembly stabilized. The eviction that
00:01:24causes.
00:01:35an eviction that causes a real outcry in Spain. Hundreds
00:01:38of people are demonstrating in Madrid today to
00:01:42support Marie Carmen. She is an 87-year-old woman who
00:01:45lived in an apartment in the center of the Spanish capital for
00:01:49Wall Street Journal, Donald Trump refused 7 decades. She was evicted by
00:01:52the real estate agency that had bought her home. This is an illustration of
00:01:56the housing crisis in large Spanish cities.
00:02:05We will come back to that later, but right now,
00:02:08we're going to Place de la Concorde. Earlier, Pope
00:02:12Leo XIV celebrated an XXL mass.
00:02:16700,000 people
00:02:17but in the long term we will save responded to this
00:02:19money, and you Cécile de event. They came from all over France, they gathered for this
00:02:22giant mass. The Pope again addressed young people after the prayer
00:02:26vigil that was dedicated last night at the Stade de France. We go live...
00:02:30to the scene. Marie Chester, you are at Place de la Concorde, you
00:02:33witnessed this giant
00:02:36mass. What can we remember about
00:02:40this fervor during the
00:02:42mass?
00:02:48Well, a great fervor, that's what we can remember from this
00:02:51XXL mass, as you said. As I speak
00:02:54to you, the giant screens are off, traffic will
00:02:57reopen. here on
00:03:00the Avenue des Champs-Élysées, there are still some people. A few moments ago, we crossed
00:03:04a convent, people from a
00:03:08sexual violence and also the issue of convent who have to hurry
00:03:11Montaldi so as not to be stuck in traffic, they have 5 hours of driving. In
00:03:15any case, we felt this fervor all day long. We were in the middle of the
00:03:19crowd on the Champs-Élysées with my cameraman Fabrice
00:03:22Soussou, a fervor at the passage of the Popemobile
00:03:26where people were pushing to
00:03:28catch a glimpse of the Pope, a fervor also at the end of this mass where
00:03:32the faithful who had gathered there
00:03:36since the beginning of the morning raised as one man the small Vatican flags that had
00:03:40been distributed to them at the entrance of the checkpoints and
00:03:44then warmly applauded Leo XIV and on
00:03:48the giant screens I can assure you that many also felt
00:03:52the emotion of the Pope himself, the emotion at
00:03:55the welcome he received in the French
00:03:59capital. Next step for Pope Leo XIV of
00:04:02this apostolic journey is tonight in Lourdes and tomorrow
00:04:06and Monday, sorry, Mass for a final celebration to which
00:04:09European heads of state will be invited. Thank you
00:04:13Marie Chuster who you were live
00:04:16with us from Place de la Concorde and indeed we will come back to the
00:04:20rest of the Pope's program but first Constance Colonna Césari, so you
00:04:24are a Vatican specialist journalist. Uh, about
00:04:27this mass that took place in the square. in Place de la Concorde, did you feel this
00:04:31emotion? Yes, well, it's difficult
00:04:35it was during the UN General just from the images we're getting, but still,
00:04:38it's already a success because of the number, that's true
00:04:41uh, the fact that uh, well, it exceeded
00:04:45the expectations of the French Bishops' Conference
00:04:49which
00:04:51Formerly known as the Venice of had a smaller perimeter, a smaller
00:04:54gauge, right? Finally it expanded again
00:04:58uh to the Avenue de la...
00:05:00told, that's what the Church Grand Army, there, we can talk about success, given
00:05:03that also this procession with the Popemobile
00:05:07was more successful, I would say, than
00:05:11yesterday's where... we had the impression that there weren't enough people
00:05:14because those boulevards on which the Pope
00:05:18passed quickly, that vehicle passed quickly, did not allow
00:05:21these stops, even if he had some halts with some babies to
00:05:25bless, he didn't have anyway those images as
00:05:29visible with a crowd so close to him, we saw
00:05:32images that were disturbing, moving with
00:05:35this young man with a disability, who was hoisted, who was
00:05:39carried by his arms, these children, then we always saw...
00:05:42this happy, smiling face of the
00:05:46Pope who seemed to be in his element.
00:05:49So we will continue with you Constance, but first, before
00:05:53joining Place de la Concorde for this giant mass, this
00:05:56morning the Pope visited the Bakita House, an association of the
00:06:00Diocese of Paris, a reception and support center for exiled
00:06:03undocumented people. Leo XIV has on several
00:06:07occasions expressed his views on the plight of migrants, we will come back to that, but
00:06:11first, this report by Matthieu.
00:06:14It is a subject dear to Pope Leo XIV, the protection of migrants and
00:06:18refugees. Just before his departure for France, he launched
00:06:22this appeal from St. Peter's Square. My
00:06:25thoughts go out to migrants and refugees, especially to
00:06:28minors forced to leave their countries. It is not
00:06:31uncommon for them to lose their lives on migratory routes. I appeal
00:06:35to everyone's responsibility. Let us all
00:06:38be concerned about the lives of these young people who must always be protected and
00:06:41supported. Like Pope Francis before him, Leo XIV
00:06:45visited the small Italian island of Lampedusa this summer, which has become
00:06:48a symbol of the deadly crossings of the Mediterranean. For the Sovereign
00:06:52Pontiff, each migratory case is first and foremost a human story.
00:06:56Pope Leo is in line
00:06:59with Pope Francis, who calls
00:07:03for hospitality, generosity and
00:07:06who says that we are prosperous enough
00:07:10countries not to let
00:07:13migrants die in the Mediterranean Sea. Helping the most
00:07:16vulnerable is the message that Leo XIV should deliver again this
00:07:19morning, starting at 9 a.m. He is expected at Bakita House in
00:07:23Paris, a center that supports migrants in their integration
00:07:26process.
00:07:29So Leo XIV is now expected in Lourdes for a
00:07:32prayer at 7:40 p.m. at the Grotto of Apparitions. John Paul II
00:07:36and Benedict XVI also visited before him but it
00:07:39had been 18 years since the Marian city was waiting
00:07:43for a new papal visit there. Religious, shopkeepers
00:07:47and faithful are ready to receive him. The report from
00:07:50our colleagues from France
00:07:512.
00:07:55Pilgrims are already converging towards Lourdes, by the thousands from all over the
00:07:59world, they are raising the fervor in the city, decorated in the
00:08:02colors of the Vatican,
00:08:05he has no words, he has no words, even if he is not yet there, even if he is not yet
00:08:09there, we see all that is being prepared, really looking forward to seeing him for... the first time,
00:08:13first time I see a Pope in general and so it's it's always a great
00:08:16moment, it's a beautiful day, our
00:08:20pilgrimage, the Pope and who knows, the apparition of the Virgin if we are
00:08:23lucky.
00:08:26The city is barricading itself by installing the equivalent of 13
00:08:29km of barriers, 15,000 people are expected over
00:08:33the weekend, some already lost ask for help from the
00:08:37CRS,
00:08:40but everyone is smiling for... the Pope's arrival,
00:08:44all the shopkeepers are happy, all the Parisians are happy, he just has to come
00:08:47now, we saw what happened in Paris, it's fantastic, we want the same thing
00:08:51in Lourdes, security gates filter arrivals at the
00:08:55sanctuary, more than 3000 gendarmes and police will
00:08:58secure the event, including in the
00:09:00air, thanks to their fixed or mobile drones,
00:09:04these police will be able to visualize live each
00:09:07movement, we will watch that the Pope arrives well
00:09:11to secure his... bare when he will circulate in his popemobile
00:09:15and especially check
00:09:17that there is no crowd movement on the ground. The great mass on Sunday morning is
00:09:21being prepared, this deacon will have the privilege of being closest
00:09:25to Leo XIV to prepare the altar with the Pope right next
00:09:28to him and presumably right next to him so I'm waiting to know
00:09:32what I'm going to be asked to do, I just hope I don't make any mistakes and I don't
00:09:36overturn a chalice or a paten. The Pope
00:09:40is expected tonight shortly before 8 p.m. at the Grotto of Apparitions where he
00:09:44will give his blessing, a first step that should already gather
00:09:4850,000 people.
00:09:51Constance Colonna Césari. So first, what is this Grotto of Apparitions, for those who
00:09:55don't know, obviously, we know the story of Bernadette Soubirous for many of
00:09:58us, but explain the importance for the Church. Yes, so it's
00:10:02this young girl, very young from a
00:10:06very modest background, who saw the Virgin
00:10:09appear, so that's what she
00:10:12believed and authenticated finally the
00:10:1518 apparitions of the Virgin Mary in
00:10:191860 if I'm not mistaken about the date
00:10:22and so voilà since uh... uh she is
00:10:26declared a saint, Saint Bernadette, because
00:10:29we know the Church has rigorously
00:10:33validated, after a trial, the
00:10:35miracles that have occurred through
00:10:39the intercession of the prayer to Bernadette Soubirous, so there
00:10:43you go, the water from the grotto where the Virgin
00:10:47appeared heals
00:10:50so obviously the sick flock there obviously because
00:10:53it is a belief validated by the Church that one can heal, that there
00:10:57are miracles in this place, obviously, it has
00:11:00become a huge Marian sanctuary and
00:11:03so we are in a ritual of papal
00:11:06journeys because obviously going to a sanctuary as
00:11:10well-known internationally as Lourdes,
00:11:13it is really an obligation,
00:11:16uh, I was going to say that the mayor of Lourdes, that the bishop of
00:11:19Lourdes, everyone was doing the belly dance, right, to have the
00:11:23Pope, all the dioceses in the world. want to have a Pope come to them and
00:11:27now it's their turn. Thank you Constance anyway, this is what we could
00:11:30say about the Pope's visit at this stage, of course we will
00:11:34come back to it throughout the evening, we will return to this prayer in Lourdes
00:11:38tonight. In other news, Donald Trump rejects the Iranian
00:11:41offer to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Tehran submitted this
00:11:46this week for a reopening of the passage within 7
00:11:50days, and according to the Wall Street Journal, the American president
00:11:53is considering a resumption of bombings on Iran
00:11:57after the terms of Maxel
00:11:58Simon. Have you spoken about the war with
00:12:02Iran? Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I
00:12:06think we will make excellent progress.
00:12:09Announced progress, but which will still be awaited. According to the
00:12:14Friday an Iranian proposal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7
00:12:18days, which is currently blocked. The proposal
00:12:22made by Tehran through Qatari media provided
00:12:26for the reopening of this strategic maritime route and the suspension
00:12:30of fighting in the region, including in Lebanon. In exchange, broader
00:12:33negotiations would have been initiated, the United States would have
00:12:37lifted the blockade of Iranian ports, unfrozen funds
00:12:40and renounced oil sanctions against Iran.
00:12:44Unacceptable for Donald Trump, the American president believes, according to the
00:12:48Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic Republic will not keep its
00:12:51commitments. The American president, who would not rule out a resumption
00:12:54of strikes in Iran after the midterm legislative elections on
00:12:58November 3rd, unacceptable threats according to the head of Iranian
00:13:02diplomacy. Iran
00:13:04accepts neither coercion, nor threats, nor intimidation and will not
00:13:08renounce its sovereign rights under pressure. Sovereignty is not
00:13:12conditional.
00:13:15Diplomacy does not mean capitulation and peace
00:13:18cannot be built on threats
00:13:20of annihilation.
00:13:23The blockade continues, therefore, on both sides, and Donald Trump even
00:13:27added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
00:13:30network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz the
00:13:34Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
00:13:38Tehran and Washington provided however for an end to the war,
00:13:42the reopening of this strategic maritime passage and talks
00:13:45on the ultra-sensitive issue of the Iranian nuclear program.
00:13:48But no significant progress has been made
00:13:51since its signing.
00:13:55Catastrophic floods in Bangkok, the Thai capital under water,
00:13:59after torrential rains, the state of natural disaster has been
00:14:02declared throughout the city, the torrential rains
00:14:06interrupted for the last 48 hours have caused very significant
00:14:10floods, the story by Axel
00:14:11Simon:
00:14:15submerged roads and residents forced to move in more
00:14:18than twenty centimeters of water, as the canals of
00:14:21Bangkok overflow and water seeps into buildings. Life
00:14:25continues at all costs in the streets of the Thai capital under
00:14:29torrential rains.
00:14:32I'm in shock, honestly this situation is quite
00:14:35frightening. Saturday evening, the situation was
00:14:38considered stabilized, even if the roads are still flooded,
00:14:42the damage is already considerable, according to the
00:14:45authorities of Bangkok, the most affected part is the east of the
00:14:48city, they have opened several temporary shelters in schools
00:14:52and have prepared a million sandbags for...
00:14:59The warnings were rather limited this time, the only real alert
00:15:03came Thursday morning via a notification on our
00:15:05phones.
00:15:08Before that, I was not sufficiently informed to consider taking refuge
00:15:12elsewhere.
00:15:16the East, Bangkok is built on ancient swamps and is organized around
00:15:20a vast network of canals. The Thai capital regularly experiences
00:15:24'.
00:15:38In 2011, significant floods throughout Thailand had
00:15:42killed more than 500 people and damaged millions of
00:15:44homes.
00:15:49That's all for the news, we'll be back later for another news broadcast, see you soon.
00:16:06The proposal for a comprehensive law was passed in parliamentary
00:16:09committee. Debates on the text will begin in a few days in the National
00:16:13Assembly. Designed to fight this scourge at 360°,
00:16:16it aims to be comprehensive, with a total of 69
00:16:20articles to better define gender-based and sexual violence and
00:16:24to fight against it. Documentarian Cécile de la Rue and
00:16:27lawyer Violaine de Filippi Sabat, spokesperson for the
00:16:30feminist coalition, Integral Law, they revisit
00:16:34this bill:
00:16:46Hello everyone and welcome to current affairs: French parliamentarians
00:16:50are examining the comprehensive bill aimed at combating gender-based and
00:16:54sexual violence, we will discuss it in a moment with my
00:16:57guests, Cécile de la Rue
00:17:00and Violaine de Filippi Sabaté, this law could really change things
00:17:04in our country after an accumulation of scandals and judicial
00:17:07failures and as the voices of victims are increasingly being
00:17:11heard, a look back at the origins of this text with David
00:17:15Gilberg, the comprehensive law,
00:17:17the comprehensive law, interrupted
00:17:21during the summer, mobilization resumed with renewed vigor in early
00:17:23September, every Monday in front of the Ministry of Justice, women
00:17:27in large majority continue to put pressure on the political
00:17:30power, they have already obtained the submission to parliament of a
00:17:34comprehensive bill, a comprehensive law.
00:17:38Its objective is to address gender-based and sexual violence in a global
00:17:41way, from prevention to criminal response, including victim support
00:17:44and reparation. We know all too well that
00:17:48unfortunately we can vote for rights, we can
00:17:51advance issues, if the means do not follow in our state, then
00:17:55unfortunately they will be of little effect and little
00:17:58implemented. And precisely, the criticisms have already multiplied. In
00:18:02special committee, deputies have notably suppressed one of the flagship measures,
00:18:06the mandatory annual interview for all students to detect
00:18:09violence, due to lack of necessary budget. More broadly,
00:18:13associations and opposition representatives denounce a lack of additional
00:18:16means to implement the 69 articles of the
00:18:19law. The billions announced to fight against gender-based
00:18:23and sexual violence and protect children. In reality,
00:18:26the announced sums were only existing. The
00:18:30one and a half billion euros to fight against gender-based and sexual violence and the 2.6
00:18:34billion for child protection planned in the next budget are
00:18:37indeed only the reorientation of already existing funding. For the
00:18:41government, change is above all a matter of
00:18:44method, and it is in this that the so-called comprehensive response at
00:18:48360°, which involves all actors
00:18:51in a perhaps completely new way in terms of cultural and
00:18:55political approach, I believe in it enormously. A
00:18:58law based on the model of what exists in Spain, which the French authorities
00:19:02have resolved to present in the face of the emotion aroused by the Lianna
00:19:05case, this 11-year-old girl.
00:19:07Last June, the main suspect had been reported several times over
00:19:119 years without being prosecuted by justice. The anger was too
00:19:14great to be ignored, while the trial of the Mazan rapes and the figure of
00:19:18Gisel Pelico had already strengthened the determination of
00:19:21activists fighting against gender-based and sexual violence. The scandal
00:19:25of extracurricular activities in Parisian schools and the numerous unreported violence by animators
00:19:29have also intensified this fight for a comprehensive
00:19:32law. A cause that continues to generate much
00:19:35expectation and is now a political issue, as evidenced by the
00:19:39parade of presidential candidates at the weekly gatherings in Place
00:19:42Vendôme.
00:19:47And to better understand what it really is, I am pleased to welcome to this set
00:19:51Cécile de la Rue. Hello, you are a journalist, documentary filmmaker, you have
00:19:54notably signed this film "The Lie Factory" about the trial
00:19:58between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. You have also filed a complaint for sexual
00:20:02harassment against the French journalist and news anchor Patrick
00:20:06Poivre d'Arvor. And then also with us Violaine de Philippi
00:20:10Sabaté, hello, you are spokesperson for the
00:20:13feminist coalition Integral Law, you are also a lawyer,
00:20:16author, you have notably signed "The Scarlet Resistance,
00:20:20Women Facing the New Backlash," published by Payot. Thank you both
00:20:23for your presence on this set. To start,
00:20:27Cécile de la Rue, would we have had this comprehensive
00:20:30law if it hadn't been for the
00:20:33Lianna, Pelico, #MeToo
00:20:36cases, etc.? #MeToo, you should know that it will soon be its
00:20:409th anniversary, so it's very long. You noted that
00:20:44I was part of the people who filed a complaint against Patrick Poivre d'Arvor, I
00:20:48think that it is also cases like that which have led to a
00:20:52social awareness, but which is very, very slow in
00:20:55France. Yes, it is the Lianna case which
00:20:59triggered it, but it is also all the previous cases and what is
00:21:03interesting above all with this comprehensive law is that
00:21:06it is a work of at least 2 years, it has been at least 2 years that we have been thinking about
00:21:09all this. And what do you expect from this law? Well,
00:21:13everything, obviously, as we very well
00:21:16understood in the subject we just saw, a lot of hope. A lot of
00:21:20fear also that it won't work because we have this idea that it's a
00:21:23bit of an open door and that once it's, well, if
00:21:27we don't start right away, we're
00:21:30doomed. Violaine de Filippi Sabaté, there are more than 200
00:21:34feminist organizations that have looked at the issue and made 140
00:21:37proposals. Do you think that the comprehensive law as
00:21:41it was voted in committee and is about to be debated in parliament is complete?
00:21:45It will never be perfect but in any case it responds to the urgency because for example when
00:21:49you file a complaint today you have no legal guarantee that an
00:21:52investigation will be diligently conducted within a reasonable time
00:21:55nor even that a certain number of investigative acts will be carried out
00:21:59before the prosecutor makes a decision. In other words,
00:22:03today a case can be closed even though no investigation has been carried out or
00:22:06even though the investigations that have been carried out are largely insufficient.
00:22:10When we look at the articles that have been proposed, there is notably this
00:22:14creation of specialized jurisdictions, this has existed for a very long time in Spain,
00:22:17how do you explain that France... is only looking into the question
00:22:21today while other countries are much further ahead of us? Indeed, Spain implemented it
00:22:24in the early 2000s, uh, it works well on the
00:22:28ground, investigations are conducted much more quickly, of course there are
00:22:31also still some flaws there, but it's still much
00:22:35better. In France, it's not the first time we've talked about it, indeed it could still change
00:22:39a lot of things because having specialized jurisdictions allows us to ensure that
00:22:42the magistrates who handle the cases, but also all the stakeholders in the judicial chain
00:22:46are specially trained, especially in psychotrauma mechanisms. Because today,
00:22:50post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic memory, are things that are not very well understood even by
00:22:54judicial personnel themselves. Uh, Cécile de la Rue, do you think
00:22:58this law is complete or is something still missing? No, it's not
00:23:01complete. I'm fighting for us to add coercive control, which
00:23:05is a very important element
00:23:08uh which is not present in the French
00:23:12legislative system, whereas it exists in Canada, it
00:23:15exists in England, it exists in many other countries,
00:23:19uh and the idea is to have a tool that can take into
00:23:23much more complex and that the judicial system cannot
00:23:27grasp, it's going to be violence about how we
00:23:30dress, how we raise children, how
00:23:33we will manage the budget, well, it's a lot of little things
00:23:37in fact when we want to go before justice with that, it
00:23:40cannot grasp it, so the idea is to find an
00:23:44invisible prison, exactly, it's an invisible prison in which
00:23:48the victims obviously don't realize it even more... but the idea is that it's not just the
00:23:52bruises that kill and that there is another violence that exists and
00:23:55precisely on these issues of gender-based and
00:23:58incest, the weight given to the child's word
00:24:02or the lack of weight, the time that passes also before the victims understand
00:24:06or remember what happened to them, this is the case for example
00:24:09of Mie Koiyama, she is the founder of the Brave Movement, she is on
00:24:13the microphone of Aurélie, and we listen, when I was
00:24:165 years old, I was raped, sexually assaulted by a 9-year-old cousin,
00:24:20and he had taught me how to ride a bike, I only rode a bike four times at
00:24:23the time, and we met at this alley, and
00:24:27that's where the first rape happened, these crimes were so violent for the
00:24:30brain of the little girl I was that I had 32 years of traumatic
00:24:33amnesia, in 2011 I filed a complaint
00:24:37for these rapes,
00:24:39and the justice system told me that the facts were
00:24:42time-barred because the law that applied
00:24:45to the crimes I had suffered was 10 years after the facts.
00:24:50So I should have filed a complaint at 15, except that I couldn't because I had
00:24:53no memory of these rapes. Giolien de Philippi Sabaté, when you hear her, what does this
00:24:57testimony inspire in you? Well, I think that it is unfortunately
00:25:00representative of what many victims who
00:25:04go through the episode of traumatic memory, which can sometimes last
00:25:08a lifetime, so I believe that it also raises the
00:25:11problem of limitation because if we
00:25:14know today medically that victims may not
00:25:18remember the assault for decades, and decades and decades, then the law should
00:25:21be able to take into account precisely this problem
00:25:25by stopping prohibiting filing a complaint after a certain
00:25:28delay on the denunciations, the problem is that
00:25:31filing a complaint is extremely complicated, we look at recent cases of sexual
00:25:35violence, I'm thinking for example of the singer Patrick Bruel who is accused of
00:25:38rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment by more than 30 women to date,
00:25:42and the actor Gérard Depardieu who is also accused of rape,
00:25:46sexual assault, two people who remain, we emphasize again, presumed
00:25:50innocent, and yet the complaints have accumulated,
00:25:53sometimes dozens of complaints, women who
00:25:57are very much in the mud, Cécile de la Rue, you yourself filed a complaint
00:26:01against the journalist Patrick Poivre d'Arvor for sexual
00:26:04harassment, when you filed a complaint, did you think that
00:26:07it had a chance of succeeding or did you know that it was a
00:26:11David against Goliath battle? The first
00:26:14ones in fact who dared to speak out and file a complaint filed a complaint above all to be able
00:26:17to support another complaint which was that of Florence Porcel who had spoken first
00:26:21and was not time-barred and we in fact testified to say
00:26:24listen, we don't know this woman, but what we know is that what happened to us still
00:26:28strangely resembles what this woman says, we didn't necessarily expect justice to
00:26:32hear us, but it was also above all for society to hear us and for us to
00:26:35understand that it was not just a minor
00:26:39incident, but that it was a societal issue and that is why now
00:26:42again the victims of Patrick Poivre d'Arvor, like the victims
00:26:45of Patrice Bruel for that matter, are campaigning by saying don't violate
00:26:49in such a way that we can actually prove that there
00:26:52is a series and therefore the statute of limitations should
00:26:56be able to be lifted if I may say so, yes, because the notion of
00:26:59rolling statute of limitations which allows to link a misdemeanor or
00:27:03a crime, a more recent crime that is not
00:27:06time-barred, which would allow to recover the other complaints, there you go, and that allows
00:27:10a woman like for example Marie Lattre, who is a woman who was
00:27:13raped 41 years ago now during the Cannes Film
00:27:17Festival, at the time she wanted to file a complaint, her complaint was refused
00:27:20as still happens today anyway, but
00:27:24that would allow her perhaps
00:27:26to have justice and also perhaps to stop the acts because we don't know if this man
00:27:30continues, I remind you that Patrick Poivre d'Arvor has been indicted, but he hasn't even been placed in
00:27:34police custody, yes, and he remains presumed innocent for now, yes,
00:27:38that being said, I want to ask you the question, when you see this comprehensive law that is
00:27:41being examined today, do you feel optimistic for the future?
00:27:45I would have liked for example that the annual interview that was
00:27:48initially requested by the associations be maintained by the special commission,
00:27:52there, it has apparently changed from mandatory to optional, I hope that
00:27:56can be debated in the assembly, but on that I am
00:27:59less optimistic, then budgetary issues were invoked of course, but
00:28:02precisely, we had estimated the annual needs at 3 billion more than
00:28:06what currently exists, I would still remind that sexual violence costs much
00:28:10more in terms of repression of perpetrators,
00:28:13incarceration and so on today, so in reality it is certainly a
00:28:16significant investment,
00:28:21la Rue, optimistic? Well, I am optimistic because, well, just
00:28:25you know, I was looking at the victim you had testify who was able to
00:28:29testify, and I tell myself, I've been a journalist for 25 years. And I deal with this kind of
00:28:33subject, 25 years ago it would not have been possible to tell such
00:28:36intimate things in the street, to be filmed and then
00:28:40to be broadcast on an international channel, so I am optimistic for that, I am
00:28:44also very pessimistic for the rest because well, I'm very afraid that yes, indeed, there won't be a
00:28:48budget, that in the end everything will be cut, we are facing a
00:28:52system that doesn't believe children, that doesn't believe women, we are in a system
00:28:55where women are second-class citizens, well, we hope in any case that
00:28:59this comprehensive law will mark a change perhaps in any case for the... Thank you
00:29:03to both of you, Cécile de la Rue, Violaine de Philippi Sabaté for coming
00:29:07to discuss this issue on the set of Actuel and thank you for
00:29:10watching us, we will see you very soon for a new edition.
00:30:09Good evening everyone and thank you for being with us on France 24, at the top of this
00:30:12news, Pope Leo XIV awaited in Lourdes, he
00:30:16will begin with a prayer in the Grotto of the Apparition, that will be in a few
00:30:19moments, but before that, this afternoon 700,000 people had
00:30:23gathered in the Place de la Concorde in Paris for a giant
00:30:26mass, the highlights in a moment, end
00:30:30of no receipt Donald Trump rejects the Iranian offer to reopen
00:30:34the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days,
00:30:37Assembly this week that Tehran made the proposal, but the
00:30:41American president believes that the Iranian regime is losing
00:30:45the battle, we will come back to this in this news.
00:30:48An expulsion that causes a real outcry in Spain,
00:30:52hundreds of people are currently demonstrating in Madrid to support Marie
00:30:56Carmen, an 87-year-old woman who lived in an apartment.