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00:00:09It's 10 PM in Paris, you're watching the essential on France 24, good evening
00:00:14That day, immigration everyone, this evening's headlines, Pope Leo XIV's prayer for France at the Grotto of Lourdes, the Sovereign
00:00:18Pontiff continues his visit to France, he was earlier in the
00:00:21day in Paris to celebrate a grand mass in the Place de la
00:00:24Concorde, some 80,000 people had made the trip
00:00:28to attend the service. Also in the news is the rejection by the
00:00:32United States of the Iranian plan to open the Strait of Hormuz, it had been
00:00:35submitted yesterday in Washington for the American president, it is a sign of
00:00:39weakness on the part of the Iranian authorities who are, and I quote,
00:00:42"losing". Finally, Bangkok under water, after 48
00:00:46hours of torrential rain, many roads are flooded,
00:00:4921 provinces of the country are
00:00:52affected.
00:01:08The day was again very busy for Pope Leo XIV
00:01:12currently visiting France. He celebrated a giant mass this
00:01:16threats according to the head of afternoon in the Place de la Concorde in Paris in the presence of hundreds of
00:01:19thousands of people. He then
00:01:22Rabiato is dragged by immigration flew to Lourdes, one of the most famous pilgrimage sites in the world. New
00:01:25stroll in the Popemobile in the Pyrenean city, the Pope.
00:01:30then led a prayer at the Massabielle Grotto, where
00:01:34the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared to a young shepherdess in
00:01:361858. He is now expected tomorrow
00:01:40Sunday on a sensitive subject, sexual
00:01:43violence committed by members of the clergy. A closed-door
00:01:47meeting is planned with seven victims, a format
00:01:50criticized by several associations
00:01:52and Tanadjie.
00:01:55The mosaics adorning the facade of the Rosary Basilica in
00:01:59Lourdes. Hidden for the visit of Pope Leo
00:02:02XIV, they are the work of the artist and Jesuit
00:02:05priest Marco Rupnik, accused
00:02:08of sexual assault and psychological manipulation by several of his
00:02:12former collaborators, including nuns. The
00:02:15Vatican exerted no pressure to conceal them, according to the Bishop
00:02:19of Tarbes and Lourdes, who cites a symbolic decision
00:02:22out of respect for the pilgrims.
00:02:26This is important because the accounts of my clients revealed that... she
00:02:30herself suffered abuse at the time when the artwork itself was being
00:02:34created.
00:02:37During his visit to Lourdes scheduled on Sunday, the Sovereign Pontiff will
00:02:40meet seven victims of sexual abuse within the French clergy. More than words and
00:02:44We finally met the hotel condemnation, many
00:02:47victims are now waiting for actions from Pope Leo XIV
00:02:52system highly favored by who recently described sexual abuse committed in the church as an open wound. And we
00:02:56obviously hope that this meeting.
00:03:00will be strong and not only in terms
00:03:03of emotion but in terms of taking a
00:03:06danger to the ICE stand and that he will display absolute
00:03:10shame with regard to all those priests who committed the
00:03:13unspeakable. In 2021, a report
00:03:17from an independent commission estimated at
00:03:1933,000, the
00:03:21Formerly called the Venice of number of children who suffered sexual violence within the Catholic Church in
00:03:24France, abuses that are seven decades old. The
00:03:28restorative bodies. created by the episcopate after the publication of this
00:03:32report, as well as victim collectives, already speak of a
00:03:36missed opportunity, they would have preferred a day-long collective exchange
00:03:39time. Catholic authorities have put in place protection
00:03:43measures and financial reparations, but victims
00:03:47continue to demand accountability and more
00:03:50prevention.
00:03:54and we are with Véronique Lecaros, good evening, you are
00:03:57a theologian and professor at the Catholic University of LIM. You wrote
00:04:01a biography, you co-wrote a biography on Leo XIV, portrait
00:04:05say, France is the eldest daughter of of a Peruvian pope published by Fayard. Leo XIV is a
00:04:10country at the heart of pope you yourself knew when he served in Peru as Monsignor Robert
00:04:13Prevaud, you both worked there on the issue of sexual abuse committed within
00:04:17the church, we just saw that Leo XIV's choice to grant an audience to only
00:04:21seven victims tomorrow in Lourdes was criticized, how do
00:04:25you explain his approach, how should
00:04:27we interpret it?
00:04:30and the pope, it must be said that Pope Leo XV, when he
00:04:34was in Lima, was in charge of sexual
00:04:36abuse, and he was very active in this
00:04:40area in Peru, so we need to put things
00:04:44in perspective, he is a canon lawyer and he organized
00:04:48conferences
00:04:51and he received, received the
00:04:54victims as well, at a time when there
00:04:57was nothing built in Peru or
00:05:01very little in any case from 2019,
00:05:05so I think that he is a person very
00:05:08sensitive to this
00:05:10continue with the rest of subject and and who and who... follows
00:05:13well, how to say, who follows the norms, who follows the
00:05:16realities by opening up to people,
00:05:20except that the expectations of victims are enormous in France
00:05:24in particular, do you think he does enough, why is it so
00:05:28difficult for the church to give time to these victims
00:05:32to listen to all of them and then above all to acknowledge its wrongs, to
00:05:35ask for forgiveness for all these broken
00:05:37lives?
00:05:40Listen, I myself... worked on the, well I
00:05:44was president of the listening commission at
00:05:47the Archdiocese of Lima and there
00:05:51is a distance between what the victims
00:05:55expect, their time, they are uh and
00:05:58it's and it's understandable, it's a trauma what happened,
00:06:02a terrible trauma because it affects
00:06:05not only the body, the
00:06:09psyche but also the spiritual how...
00:06:12uh uh it's in the name of God that these
00:06:16abuses occurred, you see, so
00:06:20it's it's very difficult it's it's the soul that is
00:06:24touched and uh
00:06:27so the church facing that there has been a whole
00:06:31journey made, it must be acknowledged,
00:06:33but there is time for the church, there is an
00:06:37administrative overload
00:06:39uh we must also think about all these
00:06:43data and uh in
00:06:46Lima for example the archbishopric, the tribunal
00:06:50of the archbishopric until there were
00:06:53complaints for abuse, it only dealt with marriage
00:06:57annulments, so there was no one who could
00:07:01take charge of the subject who was trained in the
00:07:05subject, so there is a whole structure being put in
00:07:08place, there is a conscience being created.
00:07:12and obviously it's never enough because the soul is
00:07:16affected and we
00:07:20must not expect announcements from Pope Leo XIV on this subject tomorrow after
00:07:23his audience with the
00:07:25victims?
00:07:29I think he is someone who uh, how to
00:07:32say, who launched the subject in Peru, so he is
00:07:35someone who, and who in certain cases in
00:07:39Peru, he was very active, uh for
00:07:42example in the case of Sodalitium, it may not be very well known in France, but
00:07:46it was a very big case of a
00:07:49group uh very which had several hundred
00:07:53members, he was very active in solving the
00:07:56problem, this group was suppressed and and Pope
00:08:00Leo XIV at the time so Monsignor Prevost and
00:08:04and when he was cardinal played a very active role
00:08:07so he is someone who is active, we
00:08:11can uh we have seen it in all his
00:08:14actions so far uh do
00:08:17you follow, we imagine, the visit of Leo XIV in France
00:08:20from Peru where you are, your opinion on
00:08:24this trip which is generating a lot of enthusiasm among the French, was it to
00:08:28be expected?
00:08:32Uh, I think so, I think so and I
00:08:35must also tell you that the Pope is expected in Peru in
00:08:39November and that for the Peruvians the Pope is a
00:08:43Peruvian, well they know he is also North American,
00:08:47American, but for them he is Peruvian, period,
00:08:51so everywhere here we say welcome home,
00:08:54you see, so in Peru, we are focused on the
00:08:58fact that the Pope will come, who will return to his
00:09:02diocese of Chiclayo, and and who will
00:09:05obviously pass through Lima, the capital, who
00:09:07will go to the Amazon, who will go to the
00:09:11Andes in Cusco. So going to
00:09:14France, I think how to
00:09:18the Church, we must not forget it, it is a
00:09:22Europe and and I think that this visit to
00:09:26Notre-Dame is very important, because
00:09:29Notre-Dame is not just a symbol
00:09:32of Catholicism, but it is the entire
00:09:35history of France that is
00:09:38at Notre-Dame, there were extraordinary words.
00:09:42on uh uh on hope, on
00:09:46on welcome, on diversity, on a
00:09:49diverse Catholicism on multiculturalism, there were
00:09:53very strong
00:09:56words of encouragement
00:10:00and and hope, right, we live in a world
00:10:04between artificial intelligence and wars
00:10:07that are not always joyful, thank you, thank you very much
00:10:11for your insight on this visit of the Pope and
00:10:14on this sensitive issue of sexual abuse committed within
00:10:18the church, thank you Véronique Lecaros, we
00:10:23the news, it's not the... Donald Trump's response is unequivocal, the
00:10:26American president categorically rejects the Iranian proposal
00:10:30to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days, according to Donald
00:10:34Trump, Iranian leaders are on their last legs, they want this deal because they
00:10:37are losing. Axel
00:10:39Simon: Have you talked about the war with
00:10:42Iran? Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I
00:10:46think we'll make excellent progress.
00:10:49Announced progress, but it will have to wait. Donald
00:10:53Trump refused Friday. an Iranian proposal to reopen
00:10:57the Strait of Hormuz within 7 days, currently locked down. The
00:11:01proposal formulated by Tehran through Qatari mediators
00:11:04foresaw the reopening of this strategic
00:11:07maritime route and the suspension of fighting in the region, including in
00:11:11Lebanon. In return, broader negotiations would have been
00:11:14initiated, the United States would have lifted the blockade of Iranian
00:11:17ports, unfrozen funds and renounced oil
00:11:21sanctions targeting Iran. Inadmissible for Donald Trump. Trump,
00:11:25the American president believes, according to the Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic
00:11:29Republic will not keep its commitments. The American
00:11:32president who would not rule out a resumption of strikes in Iran after the
00:11:35mid-term legislative elections on November 3. Unacceptable
00:11:41Iranian diplomacy.
00:11:43Iran accepts neither coercion, nor threats, nor intimidation and
00:11:47will not renounce its sovereign rights under pressure. Sovereignty is not
00:11:51conditional.
00:11:55does not mean surrender and peace cannot be built on
00:11:59threats of annihilation.
00:12:02The deadlock therefore continues on both sides and Donald Trump even
00:12:06added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
00:12:10network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz the
00:12:13Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
00:12:17Tehran and Washington however foresaw an end to the war,
00:12:21reopening this strategic maritime passage and holding talks
00:12:24on... the ultra-sensitive aspect of the Iranian nuclear program, but
00:12:28no notable progress has been made since its
00:12:31signing.
00:12:34In Thailand, a state of natural disaster has been declared in
00:12:37Bangkok, the capital is under water due to torrential rains, which have caused
00:12:41significant flooding. Axel Simon.
00:12:43Submerged roads and residents
00:12:46forced to move in more than twenty centimeters
00:12:50of water. As the canals of Bangkok overflow and water
00:12:53infiltrates buildings. Life continues no matter what in the streets of the
00:12:57Thai capital under the torrential
00:12:59rains.
00:13:02I'm in shock, honestly this situation is quite
00:13:05frightening. Saturday evening, the situation was
00:13:08considered stabilized, even if the roads are still flooded,
00:13:12the damage is already considerable, according to the
00:13:15authorities of Bangkok, the most affected part is the east of the
00:13:18city, they have opened several temporary shelters in schools
00:13:22and prepared 1 million sandbags for the
00:13:46the Orient, Bangkok is built on ancient marshes and is organized around
00:13:50a vast network of canals. The Thai capital regularly experiences
00:13:54flooding. particularly in September during
00:13:58the monsoon season.
00:14:01It's been 10 or 15 years since we've seen such rain and this level of flooding
00:14:05here.
00:14:08In 2011, significant floods throughout Thailand
00:14:11killed more than 500 people and damaged millions of
00:14:14homes.
00:14:18It's now time for your new issue of Reporter Plus, our
00:14:21journalist Karina Chabour has investigated a little-known aspect of American
00:14:25immigration policy, the expulsion of people to
00:14:28third countries in Africa, far from the United States and sometimes even
00:14:32far from their country of origin. Watch.
00:15:15Hello, hi mom, hi, mo, how are you?
00:15:18I'm fine, I'm here with grandma. Oh, hi, grandma, hi, how
00:15:22are you? How are you doing, mom? how was how would you rest
00:15:26fine? how is grandma? okay, yeah, she
00:15:30doing okay, i love you grandma, love you
00:15:33mom, and i miss you so much, you don't.
00:15:37how much, I miss you. Okay,
00:15:40Mohammed, yes mom, you're the best thing that happened
00:15:44to me, you all I have and I leave for
00:15:46you. You have to make me strong, I know it's not
00:15:50easy. Yeah, bye
00:15:53baby,
00:15:59f,
00:16:03oh, I always feel sad, it makes me
00:16:06sad. That's why I avoid video calls, but
00:16:10sometimes I really want to see them, most of the
00:16:13time, I prefer to just talk
00:16:15to them,
00:16:18video calls are really too
00:16:20hard,
00:16:26Rabiato is from Sierra Leone, but almost
00:16:29all her life she spent in the United States before being expelled,
00:16:33expulsé,
00:16:35she now lives in an African country.
00:17:12In Donald Trump's America, the hunt for undocumented immigrants
00:17:15is in full swing, the President's stated
00:17:18goal, 1 million expulsions per
00:17:20year, and when returning to the country of origin is
00:17:24impossible,
00:17:27Washington seeks new host countries, third
00:17:31countries.
00:17:44Very dependent on American humanitarian aid, Africa is under
00:17:47pressure, it is today one of the main host countries
00:17:51for undocumented immigrants expelled by the United States, what
00:17:54benefit for Ghana, who will be expelled, and are there
00:17:58new obligations imposed on Ghana? We know
00:18:02absolutely nothing. ICE is very
00:18:05opaque.
00:18:31We traced the journey of people expelled to Africa and often
00:18:35sent back to the countries they had.
00:18:39Donald Trump says that America first, but it must be within the rules.
00:19:02When I look at this house, I think back to all that my mother and I have
00:19:05accomplished. It still matters to
00:19:08me, and it is undoubtedly one of our greatest
00:19:11prides.
00:19:16In this residential area, near Washington, Mohamed
00:19:19Algali and his mother Rabiatou, lived a peaceful
00:19:23life.
00:19:27This is my mother's professional
00:19:28badge.
00:19:35When I see it, I think of her. She was so proud to be
00:19:38a nurse,
00:19:43for 25 years, Rabiatou
00:19:45Kuyate worked as a nurse in the United States,
00:19:49she received the presidential award because she
00:19:52was top of her class, that was in 2001, I was 8
00:19:55years old,
00:19:59Rabiatou fled the civil war in Sierra Leone in the
00:20:0290s.
00:20:07She escaped torture in her country of origin, she raised
00:20:11me, found a good job and gave me an
00:20:14education. In a way, she achieved her American
00:20:18dream.
00:20:21Throughout these years, Rabiatou only had
00:20:24a work permit. She was never able to be
00:20:27regularized.
00:20:30Once a year, the mother would go to the immigration department
00:20:33for a control visit, usually short.
00:20:38But in July 2025, with Donald Trump's return to power,
00:20:42nothing went as
00:20:43planned.
00:20:48Suddenly they called her into a...
00:21:21Shortly after, Rabiato is transferred to this ICE center,
00:21:25the immigration police in Louisiana. She will spend 5
00:21:28months there.
00:21:32During her detention, an American court ruled that her
00:21:35security was threatened in Sierra Leone and
00:21:38ordered a suspension
00:21:40of deportation.
00:21:43It's the judge who granted it to me. He signed
00:21:46here.
00:21:50this judicial protection, Rabiatou finally believes
00:21:53she is free.
00:21:57However, 2 months
00:21:59later,
00:22:02they made me get into a van, I asked them where are we going? They told me to the
00:22:06airport, I told myself that I should contact my family so they could come
00:22:09pick me up, but when I was about to get out, I saw that they were going to
00:22:13handcuff me, to my wrists and ankles, I told them:
00:22:16"Why are you doing this?" And that's when they told me they were sending
00:22:20me to Ghana.
00:22:25Like Rabiato, on this November 6, 2025,
00:22:2918 other people of African origin are taken to
00:22:31the airport, destination Ghana,
00:22:34a country they know nothing
00:22:36about. We found three of
00:22:40them, we will call them Ousman,
00:22:43Malik and
00:22:44Issatou.
00:22:48I hid you. Isatou fled a forced
00:22:51marriage. Malik says he was persecuted in a Koranic
00:22:55school. Ousmane was campaigning for LGBT
00:22:58rights in an African country where homosexuality is
00:23:02forbidden. The three also benefited from judicial
00:23:05protection, prohibiting their expulsion to their
00:23:09country of origin. I was just waiting for my release,
00:23:12now. I had my papers, I said I have protection, where will I go?
00:23:16And no one answered. That's how they handcuffed me, put me in the
00:23:20car, sent me to the airport, I didn't
00:23:23want to leave, an agent came and told me if you refuse, we'll
00:23:27tie you up, there was even one who refused, they tied
00:23:31his whole body, like in a bag, they have a bag where they can
00:23:34tie a person.
00:23:38This bag is the "wrap", a full body restraint
00:23:42ICE.
00:23:45Ousmane is the passenger who refused to board, he
00:23:49explains having been tied up in the wrap even though he was already
00:23:53handcuffed and posed no
00:23:56agents.
00:24:00I started to resist,
00:24:02they then hit me, covering my face so I couldn't
00:24:06retaliate, it was
00:24:08crazy.
00:24:12The manufacturer sells a straitjacket perfectly adapted for long plane
00:24:16journeys. People are. their hands
00:24:20in front, they can sit like this, it's a bit like I
00:24:24join my hands and listen to someone or watch television, but
00:24:26Ouzman is convinced, he mainly
00:24:30served as an example,
00:24:33he did that on purpose in front of all the other detainees, just to scare
00:24:36them.
00:24:41The 19 expelled then board the plane without
00:24:44protesting, their phones are
00:24:47confiscated, they will remain handcuffed.
00:25:50I don't know any more because I was absent, I don't know, but I can ask my
00:25:53manager if you like, he was there for a
00:25:55moment.
00:25:59spent 2 days there, the immigration
00:26:02officers came back to take the
00:26:05woman.
00:26:10It was the first person they wanted to deport to her
00:26:12country.
00:26:16officers decided to expel Rabiatour to
00:26:18Sierra Leone. That's when I tried to
00:26:22fight back.
00:26:29The scene is discreetly filmed by the others.
00:26:36That's me in white sitting there.
00:26:49At that moment, I was looking for her inhaler.
00:27:02on Rabiatou's defense in Ghana,
00:27:06she clung to my leg so as not to be taken away.
00:27:22Despite her resistance,
00:27:25officers, then sent to the
00:27:28airport, direction.
00:28:03This arm still hurts, I have to take
00:28:05painkillers.
00:28:13It comes and goes,
00:28:16some days it's swollen when I
00:28:18wake up.
00:28:23And behind my head, I had a
00:28:27hematoma here.
00:28:28ici.
00:28:33Without work or papers, she has
00:28:36no medical
00:28:37follow-up.
00:28:47managers, he told us that the accommodation for the
00:28:50expelled was covered by the country's authorities
00:28:53and that Rabiato was the victim
00:28:57of an agreement between the United States and
00:28:59Ghana.
00:29:03Immigration services explained: We have reached an
00:29:07agreement with the US embassy, or rather with the US government,
00:29:10we welcome you, then we send you back to your country
00:29:13of origin.
00:29:16The Ministry of Interior did not respond to our interview
00:29:18requests.
00:29:23It was never made
00:29:24public.
00:29:30Besides Rabiatou, he defends 32 expelled.
00:29:34Here is the file submitted to the Supreme
00:29:36Court.
00:29:40For 1 year, the lawyer has been filing numerous appeals and has
00:29:43obtained highly restricted access to the agreement. He can
00:29:47consult it without making a
00:29:49copy. According to Oliver, the agreement does not
00:29:53specify the number of expelled people that Ghana will have to host, nor the
00:29:57compensation it will receive. The
00:30:00text is reduced to vague promises.
00:30:04This is a communication from the Ghanaian government to the United
00:30:07States embassy, in which it indicates its willingness to host expelled persons.