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00:01:28it's 11 p.m. i'm king. stepping in
00:01:30a for Alex Armstrong, and this is Alex Armstrong
00:01:34of of tonight, late edition, and then he said,
00:01:37of we'll forget her soon enough. It's the
00:01:41war of words threatening to break apart the winsers as Earl Spencer
00:01:44unleashes again on the
00:01:46of king, but can you imagine anybody making a profit
00:01:50at their brother or sister's death?
00:01:52a It's so low, it's inconceivable. I will never
00:01:56profit from Diana's death, inconvenient. on the
00:02:00archives, allies
00:02:01of the king fight back accusing the hypocritical
00:02:04of earl spencer of peddling Diana's privacy,
00:02:08of of and Russia uh began this illegal invasion,
00:02:11of and that is absolutely clear and they could stop it any given
00:02:14of time. Britain will never be fairweather friend. As
00:02:18Putin's
00:02:19of of threats against Europe grow, is Andy Burnham really
00:02:21listening? We don't just want to hear apology, we want
00:02:25reparation.
00:02:30faces a Caribbean lawsuit over
00:02:32a slavery reparations and yes
00:02:35of we do everything to support our national security, but it can't
00:02:39come at the expense of social
00:02:43of
00:02:44of security. that was the political
00:02:45in attack line
00:02:46of of the year, it just wasn't created by the conservatives and he burnam there at the most recent
00:02:50of prime minister's questions, that comment on social security didn't go down too
00:02:54well, well the Sunday Times carries the story, pip benefits
00:02:58bill set to
00:02:59of double by 2030, no one is surprised.
00:03:03Joining me this evening, Benjamin Butterworth, Jamie Maciver
00:03:06and
00:03:07of her debut in the Patdington Studio, Laura Right, former
00:03:10of Conservative Specializa uh and partner at uh sorry, I should
00:03:14say that's all for us
00:03:15of now, before we get stuck into tomorrow's top stories, it's
00:03:18of day one
00:03:21of of the lib dem a conference, unfortunately I've got to give you an update, we
00:03:24of care we
00:03:25a fight, of we
00:03:27of care of
00:03:27we fight, we care. "we fight,
00:03:31that's
00:03:31in right,
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00:03:40a
00:03:44yes, the uh, head of lastill economics
00:03:47of of the iaa, Christopher Snowden, who I interviewed for GB News on Fire at Whill earlier this
00:03:51week, said that looks like the deputy head
00:03:53of the geography department, after three pints of landlord, really better
00:03:57summary of Ed Davy."
00:03:59let's take you through tomorrow's front pages, ladies and gentlemen, the mail on
00:04:03Sunday, it's not every day you get gaslit by the king,
00:04:07that's obviously in reference to Earl Spencer's comments
00:04:11of regarding King Charles, the Sunday times a different sland, Hypocrite
00:04:15Spencer is pedling Diana's privacy, says king's
00:04:18allies, the Sunday telegraph, PM fiddles as Putin
00:04:21threatens to burn Europe, their very strong comments from leader
00:04:25of the conservatives, the
00:04:28in independent
00:04:28of voters of across. back rejoining the EU, that's
00:04:32that extensive survey from the independent that at least one of my
00:04:36panel believes doesn't quite pass the sniff test, the Sunday mirror fury at
00:04:40Matty's suspects book plot, more heartbreak for
00:04:44the Macan
00:04:45of family, the observer leads simply with careless,
00:04:49the sun on Sunday leads with Kangaroo wins
00:04:52off to the
00:04:54in jungle, in I'm a celebrity in my home country of
00:04:57Australia, compulsive viewing no doubt Sunday. Lives at risk as
00:05:01illegal knives flood into the UK, I wonder how they got there, we'll
00:05:05discuss that a bit
00:05:06me later. Let's go to the panel on the Royal
00:05:09of
00:05:09a Imboro, Laura, I'll start with you, what do you make of all of this? "It's a very awkward
00:05:13time for King Charles at the moment, with Harry and Megan moving back, with
00:05:17Prince Andrew in hiding, and now Earl Spencer, nearly
00:05:2130 years after his sister's death, coming out with another
00:05:24scathing memoir that follows that released by prince Harry
00:05:28Spair, so one has to assume that there is a monetary
00:05:31incentive behind this, but yeah, he recalls a phone call between himself and
00:05:35King Charles after her death where he claims King Charles sounded giddy
00:05:39and said she'll be forgotten soon enough. in
00:05:43the uh last hour said that apparently erl spencer sold a bit
00:05:47of property recently for 60 million quid so it doesn't sound like he's short
00:05:51of cash uh which makes again
00:05:54it it interesting to work out why now benjamin is you know
00:05:57is is the question um do you do you put
00:06:01much truck in these delegations it's not like aristocrats to be greedy
00:06:04and more than 60 million of course that wouldn't happen look
00:06:08it's very hard for any of us to know because we weren't in the
00:06:11room on one hand you have people like Richard K who was very
00:06:15close to Princess Diana, New Earl Spencer at the time is
00:06:18renowned columnist for the daily mail and he says look this echo is the kind of
00:06:22notes I took at the time as his version of events. On the other hand you have Earl
00:06:26Spencer himself doing interviews saying very
00:06:30different claims about that period on TV networks at the time
00:06:34to what he says now. What I think is really uncomfortable is
00:06:38that there are two kids in this. It's easy to think because we constantly hear the
00:06:41melodrama. the royal family that this is normal, actually the idea that you know
00:06:45your mum died and you know your uncle is saying your dad hated her in front
00:06:49the world, actually that's an incredibly messed up thing, and you
00:06:53know, I don't know if it's true or not, but I really
00:06:57don't like Earl Spencer, he just comes across as a
00:07:00pretty unpleasant, grim character, you know, he's a kind of
00:07:04guy that's on his fourth wife, he's just had his third divorce, his kids don't talk
00:07:08to him, I'm not inclined to trust him as a character, even if it's...
00:07:12about king charles? I don't know
00:07:15el spencer personally, I'm
00:07:15not a position to offer any uh any balance in that that character assessment or assassination,
00:07:19whichever way you would you would choose to dispute it, I guess if he was here, he would dispute that
00:07:23assessment of his character. Uh, Jamie, uh, this relationship
00:07:27that the worlds have with privacy, I think is very interesting conversation, so the teller the
00:07:31times, I should say, is saying El Spencer is peddling what little remains of Princess
00:07:35Diana's privacy with his new book. In some respects, I agree with
00:07:39that, in another respect, and I think about this whenever Harry... incessantly talks
00:07:43about his right to privacy as he is peddling some new product or or
00:07:47uh or putting something up on social media is they do have a complicated relationship
00:07:51because in one respect they request privacy but in the other they utilize
00:07:55their celebrity and they are celebrities to uh and monetized
00:07:58in in in in many different ways yeah i think so if you take this through the
00:08:02lens of a brother that's lost his sister in the most traumatic way then you kind of understand that
00:08:06he wants to tell the world what really happened um probably taking it from a
00:08:09position that Diana wasn't a fan of Charles uh and probably the last
00:08:13conversation he probably had with his sister was one where she probably wasn't a happy person
00:08:17and I think that's understandable from a broken-hearted brother. That being said,
00:08:21I do not like the head of state and my king being battered in the press, I
00:08:25can't stand that as a patriot. I also really don't like the fact that our royal
00:08:29family is turning into east enders. It's too many moving parts right now. You've
00:08:33got all the stuff of Andrew, all the stuff of Harry and Megan, all the stuff the
00:08:36king, now stuff about Diana from 30 years ago, it's the most
00:08:40important institution in this. and we
00:08:43have to get it just back on the PR straight and narrow and maybe we should all just stop reading about
00:08:47it and talking about it, jamie, there has been an element of soap in
00:08:51the royal family well before Henry II, it's always been an
00:08:55element
00:08:55of this, I don't think this is new phenomenon, I would disagree because I think since the
00:08:59passing the queen the whole PR around the royal family has been a
00:09:03disaster that no one has had a grip and I feel like maybe her
00:09:07late majesty actually had a grip on the communications far more than perhaps we
00:09:11might have given her credit. of that life? I think the inner circle do have a
00:09:14grip on the PR, if you look at the prince and princes of Wales and how
00:09:18diligent and hard-working they have been, following her return to
00:09:22work, and King Charles still undergoing cancer treatment,
00:09:26and he had huge success at Dumpfrey's house in Scotland, welcoming global
00:09:29AI leaders, roaring success when he visited the states. I think the
00:09:33trouble is coming from those who feel ostracized from the inner circle, and they feel
00:09:37a need to make some noise so that they can monetize through things like
00:09:40autobiographies and it was.
00:09:42It was Earl Spencer
00:09:43who said that it would be revolting, it would be totally wrong to
00:09:46monetize the death of my sister. Well, I'm sorry, but what are you
00:09:50doing, if not that with this book? You are sharing deeply
00:09:54personal remarks and exchanges that you had that will probably hurt his
00:09:58kids, your spencer's nephew, and also, if it's not for the
00:10:02millions that he's likely getting paid for this book, then did he wait 29
00:10:05years because he was waiting for Charles to be king so that he could execute the
00:10:09maximum damage. Michael Gove, Lord Gove. said a on another channel the
00:10:13other day that actually the Spencers are from a from an aristo aristocratic
00:10:17family that goes back far far further than the incumbants of
00:10:21Buckinggham Palace. They see themselves as above the Royal Family. 'they
00:10:25see themselves as better and they think that their family was muddied by this and the
00:10:29drama that Diana got involved. I think these are just
00:10:32slimy odious people that are trying to attack the royal
00:10:35family and making millions in the process. what I would suggest is that it would have
00:10:39had more credibility if say he said I'm going to give the entire process the
00:10:43book to a charity that Diana was associated with for example his next
00:10:47divorce probably
00:10:49again Ir spencer is not here to defend himself or his range of
00:10:53different relationship'. um, I
00:10:57uh, there's one final question, Jamie, I want on this, and that is, I guess,
00:11:01looking at it from a wider lens, this is still leading in most the
00:11:05front pages, uh, and it's perhaps because I, I, despite
00:11:09this still being uh, the royal family that governs
00:11:12Australia, um, I don't have the same probably emotional connection to the
00:11:16royal family that many British people do, why is this
00:11:20still on the front pages 30 years after her death and why does this continue to resonate in the way
00:11:24that? "if I thought that the mainstream media would put on the
00:11:28front page things that the British people actually care about, then maybe I would
00:11:31suggest uh, I don't have that opinion, um, they they
00:11:35they they put on what we want us to, they think we want to be reading, but let's
00:11:39be very clear, Diana is
00:11:42someone who is still brings a tear to the eyes
00:11:46of many British people when there's an anniversary, I'm a princess Diana
00:11:50Awardholder myself, I feel much connection to someone who, of course I wasn't even
00:11:54a live um..." when she sadly killed, so there is lot of British people that do
00:11:58still take an interest
00:11:59and I think there's
00:12:00a lot of British people that wonder just what if she hadn't have
00:12:03died, what would Diana be like today? and I think there's a lot of people, certainly
00:12:07my grandparents generation, my mom's generation who are interested, what they
00:12:11won't like, what they won't like is Diana's memory
00:12:15being used in not a positive way. I think there is lot of people that
00:12:19are interested, but I think they want to see William and Harry
00:12:23unite again and I think they want to see... 'the royal family be back on
00:12:26track, it feels very unstable at the moment, well the male has
00:12:30apparently come to deal to serialized portions of
00:12:34this book, so this isn't the last the revelations that will come,
00:12:38not to mention the fact the book coming out in full soon enough, so this
00:12:42story isn't going away uh, i want to turn to something which
00:12:45i would dare say has a more material impact on the United
00:12:49Kingdom and that is the story that we covered briefly before the break, and that is
00:12:52Bernam fiddling while Putin threatens to burn'. Europe this is comments
00:12:56from basically criticising the PM for
00:13:00failing to fund the armed forces. We now have a
00:13:03chancelor in place who literally resigned as matter of
00:13:07principle because he wasn't convinced that
00:13:09there was a credible pathway to get to that 3% spending number. I
00:13:13still don't think there is a credible pathway in place. How can
00:13:17he have any credibility and uh if
00:13:21that isn't put in place very very quickly? Yeah, lot of questions ahead
00:13:24the budget. of October Burnham speaks about number 10 in the north,
00:13:28devolution, industrialization, wanting to strengthen ties with
00:13:32Europe, but you
00:13:33now, how is he going to pay for all of this when, as we'll come to, the benefits bill
00:13:37continues to rise, he's meeting president Trump in New York on
00:13:40Tuesday, he's going to raise the Ukraine issue and sending more patriot
00:13:44missiles there, but again, what is Burnham willing to concede
00:13:48if we are to reach that 3% target of GDP on defense
00:13:51spending, is it welfare spending, will he be willing to cut? what will the
00:13:55hisb just say? this is the question, r benjamin, again, i know you've pointed
00:13:59to the triple lock, now whether or not that is uh is something that should be
00:14:03considered, it won't be considered, it is politically toxic to
00:14:07consider it, um, so that's out uh, i don't think there will
00:14:11be substantial cuts to benefits if you saw the revolt from the labour
00:14:14backbench the last time that was attempted, they're not going to touch their net zero
00:14:18finaticism, where is this money going to come from? no, i don't think
00:14:22that's right at all, because pat mcfadden was put in charge of work and
00:14:26pensions and that is sector where he had said that labor was being
00:14:30wrong, it was, it was just trying to tax enough and not cut benefits enough and he
00:14:34got the top job in in in charge of benefits, so that suggests that they are
00:14:37serious about cutting them, and I actually think some of his rhetoric in his
00:14:41narrative is far more politically strategic, it's to soften up
00:14:45those people that would be unsure of it, the proposal that Rachel Reeves put
00:14:49forward was actually incredibly unsophisticated, it was just a sort of five
00:14:53billion pound chop, so I think that there will be cuts to
00:14:56benefit, I also think that all the indications are that they will try to get to
00:15:003%, because as you say they put John Healey in charge of managing
00:15:04the books, he was the one who quit, whereas streating, the new defense secretary has
00:15:08said that it absolutely has to get to that target and that we have to increase the
00:15:12spending, so
00:15:13you know don't don't complain before you've got the conclusion, Jamie,
00:15:17is that reasonable? I i think the biggest problem with people
00:15:21like Burnment and frankly Labor is I just don't think they see...
00:15:25defenses the realm as a genuine, keeps you awake at
00:15:28night and a worry not why they got into politics right?
00:15:32correct? and i think it comes from actually diluted patriotism that
00:15:36you see on the left and... way and what I think is very
00:15:39clear is that if there was a choice between doing
00:15:42a press conference in the morning and out seeing loads more money
00:15:46going into social care and and revitalizing that sector
00:15:50versus investing in our defense. I know where Burnham would rather
00:15:54go and it would simply be polling that would probably take him the other
00:15:57way. We've got a country led by politicians that are
00:16:01only interested in polls and SW1 politics. They are not
00:16:05interested in the bigger picture and I think... That's why also you saw that the artifals be
00:16:09hollowed by the tories, again just not enough polling showed that this
00:16:13was an important thing. We need conviction, we need politicians with
00:16:16gut, and we haven't got that in Britain. And the fact that we are on
00:16:20television this evening talking about the fact there are serious people in
00:16:24defense saying Britain's armed forces are not where they should be, and this
00:16:28is now not a new story, our own sovereign territory in
00:16:31Cyprus was attacked, it took us 30 days to get some sort of
00:16:35backup. It is not good enough. and for those men and women, brave men and women
00:16:39that put on uniform prepared to die for this country, we are letting them down
00:16:43if nothing else but by their moral, their morale must be so low
00:16:47when they read this as we read it, and Laura, this is
00:16:50the thing, and I read through this this article from the telegraph
00:16:54more, and I'm listening, I'm reading uh, Badnock's
00:16:58comments and I agree with what she's saying, and she fries it
00:17:02very well, you know, she said something similar to what uh, Jamie's just said, we have to
00:17:05stop pretending that we are living. a care-free end of history,
00:17:09it's in reference to Francis Fukiama, when Russia is testing our
00:17:13resolve week after week, it's time to get serious,
00:17:17yep, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, but at the same time, this is the fundamental
00:17:21problem the conservatives face, they're saying the right things now, but so many people
00:17:24across the country go, you were the ones responsible for either starting
00:17:28this problem or perpetuating this problem, in this instance, you hollowed out defense
00:17:32spending, at least in the first coalition years of that
00:17:36conservative.
00:17:38we can't trust you. you're right, defense spending has been hollowed
00:17:42out and now we're in periods of hot wars, we have what's happening the Middle East,
00:17:46escalating again overnight, what's happening in Ukraine? so really, I
00:17:50think there's cross-party consensus now that defense spending must be
00:17:53increased, but I think what's worrying about Burnam is if he
00:17:57decides to increase taxes in order to pay for that, rather than cutting welfare
00:18:01spending, and we've had number of high profile entrepreneurs coming out
00:18:05already this week, news that they're leaving. the UK, exiling the
00:18:09UK tax residency, that that's a huge problem, because we can't all
00:18:13work for the government, right? so if we need to increase that defense spending, then we need
00:18:17to have private sector taxpayers to do so. yeah, lord dannit who was the chief
00:18:21general the general staff from 2006 to 2009, has said
00:18:25my bottom line is that Andy Burnham, and regretfully, I would now add John
00:18:28Hearley, are playing fast and loose with the nation's security. this
00:18:32follows a theme in this article, Benjamin, from several very prominent former and
00:18:36current military... figures, arm forces figures,
00:18:39i should say, where they basically say labor does not take this
00:18:42seriously. i've
00:18:43got a question, you are the left uh to your
00:18:46enduring shame, do
00:18:49you do you care about the nation's security really deep in your bones? yeah, lord
00:18:53west who is in that article was a ministering the labor government, so
00:18:57clearly
00:18:57it is not a failure the labor party, he worked for labor government, he worked for gorden
00:19:01brown, and i think it's been hollowed out over the
00:19:05previous 14 years right? happen in the last 48
00:19:08months true
00:19:10and you know wait till the budget, it might be valid criticism after the budget, but I think it's
00:19:14completely unreasonable to get the attacks in before because we don't know what they do,
00:19:17and all the right people have been put in the top jobs that say they want to fix
00:19:21this. i think times are changing rapidly than politicians generally
00:19:25have realized, to be honest this decision should have been made far quicker
00:19:29than two years ago, it it really was obvious once Russia invaded
00:19:33Ukraine that times were changing, and there are more active wars right now than
00:19:37any point. since the second world war ended, so I think we should be very
00:19:40worried. Yeah, I think this is a really critical point that not enough
00:19:44people are grasping, and that is that, as I said earlier, the
00:19:48gone the days where you need to have hundreds of thousands of men
00:19:52storming the beaches in order to take a country or to cause
00:19:56mayhem,
00:19:56now all you need is drones, you need to say that, but in July
00:20:0040,00 Russian troops were killed, which is utterly extraordinary number,
00:20:04so in many ways it has changed and it hasn't. that
00:20:07conflict is fascinating one because it is the combination of old school world war 1 trench
00:20:11warfare with very advanced modern military techniques, i agree with
00:20:15you, but at the same time my point is at least to do tremendous damage
00:20:19to this country, you know
00:20:21you don't need a great deal to to to cause that harm if you just want to do it via
00:20:24cyber or via drones or or whatever modern method takes your fancy.
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00:25:44welcome back to Alex Armstrong. tonight, late edition with me, Will
00:25:47Kingston. whenever I think I've... the most
00:25:51shocking article about the budget position of this country, another one comes
00:25:55along that just blows away, and this is an example of it on the front
00:25:58page the Sunday Times, Britain is expected to be spending
00:26:02billion pounds a year more on disability benefits by the end the
00:26:06decade, according to the government's official economic forecast. the
00:26:10office for budget responsibility has estimated that the cost of
00:26:14personal independence payments will nearly double from
00:26:1726 billion pounds in 2024, already huge number
00:26:21to 45 billion pounds in 2030. the
00:26:25touries have tonight called on Andy Burnam and John
00:26:28Healey to confront the grim reality of Britain's economic peril by
00:26:31cutting the welfare bill at the autumn budget to control
00:26:35inflation, labor in turn has accused the conservatives of lack of
00:26:38self-awareness after here we go, former prime minister Liz Trust's
00:26:42mini budget that caused market turmoil in 2022, well
00:26:46note that the guilt yields under Liz Trust would be a
00:26:49dream for Britain today, but that is by the buy because I do
00:26:53want to get to this article on
00:26:55pitpomen, during the
00:26:58period spending on pip throughout this.
00:27:32force as opposed to just taking money from
00:27:35the government, yeah, so 39% of all disability payments of
00:27:38psychiatric disorders, that's around 1.6 million claiments
00:27:42of which nearly half 500, 500
00:27:46thousand are for anxiety disorders, i think we have to look at the
00:27:50overmedicalization of anxiety as well, um, my family are
00:27:53doctors and the mid 20th century we didn't see anything like
00:27:57this and and i just wonder that what the incentives are that encourage
00:28:01people to receive these payments rather than going back to work, the latter might help
00:28:05their mental health. Benjamin. Well, I don't so much worry about
00:28:09diagnoses these conditions. The question is how the state
00:28:12then deals with the person having that diagnosis. It's
00:28:16right to say, for example, that that many people that get anxiety and
00:28:20depression are going to be likely to have worse mental health
00:28:23by not having a routine and colleagues and access to the
00:28:27benefits of their own mind by going to work. I think that is reasonable,
00:28:31so I think the question. is is less about how many people get
00:28:35diagnosis because it's really useful to understand yourself and more about the
00:28:39way the state interacts with these diagnosis. the other thing I'd say is
00:28:42that
00:28:43you know for many people pip is good for the economy because it means they can be
00:28:47productive and they can pay taxes and do a job. that's the
00:28:50valid reason for its existence. but one thing that I think is a
00:28:54problem is that you get pit regardless of what you're earning.
00:28:58And you hear cases of people on fabulous salaries that also...
00:29:02claim money from the state through pip. now it may be that the bureaucracy
00:29:06of that uh costs more than having a cap on
00:29:10it, i wonder whether in the rapidly evolving age of AI we could
00:29:14do that without the great cost, and i think the idea that you know maybe cut it off at
00:29:18the point at which child benefit is cut off, that would be one the ways that i would start to
00:29:22cut back on these overheads. jamie, i would go further, i would say
00:29:25look, unfortunately this bill has just gone out of
00:29:29control, in fact what the telegraph is reporting, sorry, I should say the Times is
00:29:33reporting is that a few years pip, that isn't just health, that is
00:29:37just disability payments, is going to be bigger than every single
00:29:41government department except education, health and the ministry of
00:29:45defense, the fourth biggest government department in the country
00:29:49goes to disability payments, surely we just need to draw a line and say any sort of
00:29:52psychological disorders are not eligible for government funding,
00:29:56or subsolutes, well the reality is this this entire thing has become
00:30:00racket, it's become a complete r people's taxes are
00:30:03going up, people that are working, getting up in the morning, going to work
00:30:07who probably have anxiety, but just haven't got time to book a GP's appointment
00:30:11to worry about it, they've got to get on with the daily life of having children, having a job,
00:30:15having more than one job, paying bills, and yet there are
00:30:19people that I'm not going to discount the fact that people
00:30:23have mental health conditions,
00:30:25and they have also physical health conditions, I'm not going to discount that,
00:30:29but one of my teachers at school was a wheelchair and severely disabled. he went to
00:30:32work every single day, one of uh someone i work very close to in politics is
00:30:36totally blind and you get have to come to point where we
00:30:40have to stop giving people a life sentence when they have got
00:30:43simply a mental restricting illness which by the
00:30:47way should be a temporary thing
00:30:49we should try and make people better now there
00:30:51are people that of course will argue and say i'm mr nasty for just
00:30:55pointing out those facts what's the alternative what's the alternative people that
00:30:59work really hard to pay into the system have to now get
00:31:15have accused me of being insensitive on this, and I've always said there have been twice, two moments
00:31:18in my life where I've been treated for depression, both with uh medication as well
00:31:22as through through therapy. I'm well aware that this is a
00:31:26real problem, but at the same time it's a problem that should be
00:31:30temporary and there should be pathway through it towards work. My concern Laura is
00:31:34this basically creates a culture of victimwood whereby people say I
00:31:38have depression, it is part of me and as result of that
00:31:41I i feel more comfort. just
00:31:45sitting on the couch without that same sense of purpose as opposed to having a
00:31:49greater incentive to getting up and pulling myself up by my bootstraps and actually saying well i need
00:31:53to get back into society. i think we're seeing a worrying trend with the number of
00:31:57send diagnoses in schools as well. mean this has gone up like
00:32:01unexplainably and then what proportion of those students then go to be pip
00:32:05claimts when you think about how many needs there are in the economy as well so do
00:32:08think that is for people aren't aware not in employment
00:32:11education or training and that number. exploded as
00:32:15well over the last uh last i do think there is a link between these three
00:32:19elements, what we're diagnosing kids with in schools, whether that's ADHD,
00:32:23anxiety and theens and then now the increasing
00:32:26uh pip claiments too, I think we have to see the link between them and and
00:32:30question is this where we want to go as society? yeah, and there's one massive
00:32:34elephant in the room which is the use of AI to fill in these application forms as
00:32:38well, no one wants to talk about that, but there are people literally finding out how can I get
00:32:42this, what do I need to say to the doctor, what do I need to do and and that is
00:32:45exploiting the system, and as far as I'm concerned, all that does is
00:32:49take resources away from people that genuinely need. so some people may not be at
00:32:53home, may not be aware of of this phenomena, explain how that
00:32:57works. well, haven't, i can't say i'm doing
00:32:59it, yeah, my my tips, no, i i get
00:33:03up in the morning and go to work and i if if i tell you what i probably do have mild anxiety
00:33:07being reform politician, but
00:33:09you know
00:33:09what i wouldn't dream of admitting it, but but what is really
00:33:12important is that people are aware that... you literally google
00:33:16nowadays how do get a certain benefit, how can i make sure my child gets an
00:33:20ADHD diagnosis? these things are happening, and what the state has been
00:33:24quite slow to do is actually adapt to what is, mean i see as a
00:33:28counselor, i get complaints now as a counselor, the nine pages
00:33:31of a complaint about how someone's mental health, this that and the other
00:33:35is affected simply because of a pot hole, this is a real-life
00:33:38thing and we've got to adapt to it, yeah this is also
00:33:42where the uh system safe not safe cards, the system's checks
00:33:46and balances are so wowfully off. i'm aware for example, benjamin, that for
00:33:50many these cases you don't need to go in and see a GP or a
00:33:54cognitive behavioral therapist and actually get assessment done. lot of people
00:33:58can get these payments through an on uh over the phone assessment.
00:34:01surely that is insufficient in order to to actually make an
00:34:05inform decision as to whether or not someone genuinely needs these types of payments. well, i
00:34:09think it's a hangover from COVID when that became a
00:34:13necessity and then it's... have remain the case and there are many people that aren't
00:34:17reassessed for conditions that are ongoing, it must be very difficult to
00:34:21determine whether someone's mental health is
00:34:24sufficiently poor and challenging and disruptive that they
00:34:27require a benefit, and I should think that in-person assessment or
00:34:31repeat, repeatedly seeing doctor must be necessary, but
00:34:35also
00:34:35you know actually if we took some the budget that goes on the benefits and used it
00:34:39for uh serious mental health support, you mentioned cognitive behavioral
00:34:43therapy, that's the kind of thing. that could fix these problems for
00:34:47many people so that they can get back to work and get back to having their
00:34:50confidence and you might cost a little bit more up front but would fix the problem a
00:34:54year's time yep well again something needs to be done because those
00:34:58numbers just don't add up coming up we will be crossing live to leo
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00:39:14leo, ben good to see you mate, what's coming
00:39:16up? hey well, good to see you uh tonight
00:39:20president trump has launched a AI task force, of course there's lots
00:39:24of controversy about the claim that AI will be well could
00:39:28possibly lead to human ext extinction 10% chance.
00:39:31anyway, i thought off the back of that uh we'd get on uh the
00:39:35AI actress Tilly who you may have seen has been doing the rounds on all
00:39:39sorts of tv shows and network uh shows all across the
00:39:42world uh including ITVs breakfast show so uh her name is
00:39:46Tilly uh so far everybody's been asking her including the likes of peers and
00:39:49Morgan you know talking about AI and are you going to kill us all and that kind of
00:39:53stuff. i thought i'd ask Tilly tonight how maybe we could
00:39:57stop the small boats or what her political persuasions are or get her
00:40:01thoughts on um some interesting topics of discussion going on in
00:40:04Britain, so that will be quite fun, hopefully I can um crack the
00:40:08code and make tilly combust or something like that, so hopefully it'll be quite fun. uh
00:40:12elsewhere, what's going on? president Trump is continuing to double down on banning
00:40:16media from the White House, CNN, MSNBC and Politico,
00:40:20all try to gain access to the white house today, and the secret service said, nope,
00:40:23you're not coming in, and they swiped their cards away, the rumor has it. the New
00:40:27York Post and the sorry, not New York Post, the new New York Times and the
00:40:31Washington Post and potentially even the BBC could be next uh, just for the
00:40:35record,
00:40:36I don't agree with uh what Trump has done on that front, however lot of those
00:40:39outlets are complete fabricators
00:40:41so uh maybe they deserved it elsewhere um
00:40:45yeah and also uh smallb sorry flock
00:40:48cameras uh flock cameras are these AMPR style cameras all
00:40:52across America slightly more advanced they use AI technology to track
00:40:56cars even dens in cars, they can see inside vehicles as well, it's a
00:41:00massive civil liberties argument brewing here in America, but it makes me laugh because
00:41:04we've had these kind of things, again not so advanced, but we've had AMPR cameras in the
00:41:08UK for decades and it's a start contrast really in
00:41:12terms the freedoms that America has and that we have and that we're used to
00:41:16losing or used to not having, because Americans now they hear about AMPR
00:41:20cameras and they're losing their absolute minds and finally will, Ed Sheiren, all that
00:41:23controversy about Macalmore being dropped from Ed's Tour, he's playing...
00:41:27Philadelphia tonight, I went up to Philadelphia a bit earlier today to speak to fans and
00:41:31see whether they thought uh it was right that Edshuven was getting so much stick about
00:41:35it, so got a few comments from those people as well, yeah sounds good,
00:41:39we're getting the...
00:41:40ai actress on the show mate is genius idea, i'm sure you've got the pears
00:41:43morgan clip ready to go, i won't give it away, ladies and gentlemen, but it is
00:41:47hilarious to see what happens when you put tilly under even
00:41:51moderate scrutiny, and ben, i'm sure you are more than up to the task, looking forward
00:41:55to that at 12, yeah, thank you mate, that
00:41:58was ben leo, i'm looking forward to watching that actually, it is um really,
00:42:02really funny to see what happens in that situation, er, in other news and
00:42:06this is coming from the telegraph, caribbean states are preparing to sub
00:42:10under international racial discrimination laws, here we go,
00:42:14to secure slavery operations, the prime minister of barbados is
00:42:18hosting a conference this week to discuss strategies for obtaining
00:42:21compensation and suggested legal action through international
00:42:25courts as one option, she told supporters that it was time to
00:42:28stop being advocates a movement and start being advocates
00:42:32a case, according to the telegraph, legal experts in the
00:42:35caribbean are looking into a potential reparations lawsuit against
00:42:39Britain. on the basis of UN treaties covering racism. Let's
00:42:43get the thoughts of my panel. Laura, I'll go to you
00:42:47first. I interviewed a pro-reparations advocate a couple
00:42:51of weeks ago and I made my thoughts on this pretty clear uh, is
00:42:54this another example now of potentially the UK having getting stuck
00:42:58a quagmire as a result of
00:43:02international human rights law or international race discrimination or
00:43:06whatever that may be. Number 10 have been direct on this and they've said the UK.
00:43:10does not and will not pay reparations, some on the very
00:43:13left-wing side the labour party are advocating for it, but it
00:43:17feels very unrealistic that the UK would make any payment,
00:43:21and as we've seen in recent years, international law is pretty
00:43:25obsolete, well I agree with that, but where my concern is and I agree with you,
00:43:29I don't think that would be stupid enough, unlike someone like David Lamy, I don't think they would be
00:43:32stupid enough to avertly say
00:43:34that they would support slavery operations, they may very
00:43:38well implement some... similar through the back door by
00:43:42stealth, for example through climate change aid or other
00:43:46forms of foreign aid or other forms of international development support,
00:43:50which may not be branded as reparations, but would deliver much the same
00:43:53outcome in terms of financial support through to countries that
00:43:57were formerly colonial out the United Kingdom,
00:44:00as as you notice when you visit Australia, lot of buildings respectfully
00:44:04acknowledge the territory that they are built on, yes, so it
00:44:08might be words more than... Yes, yeah,
00:44:11unfortunately I've been subjected to land acknowledgement ceremonies far
00:44:15too often in Australia, I would say, I'm not quite as
00:44:19respectful as some others are when those come up, if people were so
00:44:23excited about acknowledging the traditional owners the land, they
00:44:27should give their land back to them. Uh, Benjamin, what do you make these
00:44:30plans or this this suggestion from the Caribbean nations? Well, I mean,
00:44:34there's no chance of it happening, right, so you have to imagine that the reason
00:44:38they're putting time or promotion. into it is for domestic
00:44:41political reasons, but on the flip side, I
00:44:45would say that, well you're definitely wrong, using money for
00:44:48international development with some these countries is very wise.
00:44:52Barbados, you reference Mia Motly, the prime minister of Barbados, who in fact
00:44:56practiced as a barrister in London for many years when she was younger, she has close
00:45:00link to Britain uh, she was a QC, she
00:45:03what became in Barbados became the first country to get rid the
00:45:07British monarch as of head of state in decades. a couple of years ago, now
00:45:11at the same time they had started receiving lot of investment from China for their
00:45:15infrastructure. I think it is China is being very
00:45:18effective with its investment in many
00:45:21countries in Africa, the Caribbean, other developing nations, and I
00:45:25think we are naive and short-termists to cut our foreign aid
00:45:29budget, not out of some kind of uh,
00:45:32you know, pure altruism, but because it's strategically wise to invest in
00:45:36these developing countries, especially on the African continent, that's not... "that's not
00:45:40aid, that's foreign direct investment with very clear strings
00:45:44at international development, foreign direct investment is not the same thing,
00:45:47it is investment with very clear strings attached from the Chinese government that has
00:45:51geopolitical consequences, yeah, good for them, it's wise, it makes
00:45:54sense, like for example
00:45:57aid in that way, the 600 on million pounds that apparently we sent to Angola
00:46:01recently, which again, the amount of times I hear these sorts of numbers thrown around,
00:46:05it's just staggering, that doesn't have any sort of geopolitical benefit for the United
00:46:09Kingdom really." "I get really irritated by these stories because I think
00:46:13it's a huge failure of British foreign policy
00:46:17to have not backed former empire countries and kept those
00:46:21relationships tight, yes we got the commonwealth, but actually when it comes to our
00:46:24actual economies, so you take further and messive fail to break up the empire
00:46:28full stop, and I would agree with you and let's have it back, but more
00:46:32importantly, I used to work a Caribbean, and I can tell you now there is
00:46:36no domestic benefit to any Caribbean politician advocating for..."
00:46:40Caribbean people, particularly Antiga, Barbados, St. Lucia, the Grenadines where I have
00:46:44worked, they are mortified and embarrassed about how their
00:46:48politicians, the rhetoric towards Britain, they are grateful for
00:46:52we've given. "most people in those Caribbean islands are employed directly or indirectly
00:46:56by tourism, they want to build relationships with Britain, and actually if you
00:46:59look at some the things that have happened in Barbados and now
00:47:03Antiga wanting to remove the king as head of state, the one thing that people
00:47:07in the Caribbean say about their ties to Britain, they feel it's an element of
00:47:11security, they're prone to natural disasters, they're prone to many other
00:47:15vulnerabilities, and they do not like this, and I think there'll be
00:47:18politicians in the Caribbean that quickly start to lose their election."
00:47:22when this starts to play out? well, coming up, ladies and gentlemen, we will heal more about
00:47:26this, because unfortunately these Caribbean countries just won't let it go, but coming up after the
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00:51:00Welcome back to Alex Armstrong, tonight late edition with me Will Kingston.
00:51:04Let's go to the front page of Tomorrow's Sunday Express and it is
00:51:08leading with lives at risk as illegal knives flood
00:51:12into the UK. It reports the shocking number of illegal
00:51:16knives being seized at Britain's borders could be just the tip the
00:51:19iceberg campaign as a warning in the first half of this. year
00:51:222,700 od illegal blades including zombie knives
00:51:26and macheties were confiscated by border force officers and
00:51:30average of 15 every single day, this is compared with
00:51:342,900 odd for the whole of 2025,
00:51:38so his numbers are increasing rapidly, jamie, jam spoken about knife crime
00:51:41in London and other cities in this country with people like Peter Blexley on this
00:51:45show uh many many times, now not from Peter but from some
00:51:49others you'll hear youupemisms, you you'll hear about you problems parenting,
00:51:53you'll hear about the crisis amongst our youth. what i think this demonstrates
00:51:57is if you get down to brass tax, this was not a problem pre mass
00:52:00migration, knife crime has been an important problem and sad consequence of
00:52:04multicultural. and sadly it isn't going away, i completely agree with you,
00:52:08it is an important problem, and and that is backed up by where the crime's
00:52:11happening, where stop and search needs to happen, and it is in all pockets of,
00:52:15especially around London, where you've seen huge, mass immigration to the
00:52:19country and cultures that think that stabbing someone is normal, it's
00:52:22not something we think is normal in this country, now I think Zea is right with what
00:52:26he's saying, it's the consequences, there are no consequences,
00:52:30the there is not the feeling among the British people that those that are caught doing
00:52:34this are going to get trouble and those that are prepared to bring the knives to this
00:52:38country or use the knives deep down think it's maybe a worth
00:52:42risk worth taking because the punishment is not severe enough, we do have knife
00:52:45epidemic not just in London but across the country, it is now quite
00:52:49normal to see someone's home being burggle with the machette, it's quite normal now,
00:52:52Laura, it's worrying the increased import these
00:52:56illegal knives, and where are they being advertised, is on social media on
00:52:59TikTok, we look at the role of TikTok and glorifying violence that you can
00:53:03live stream it and "we know that around 20% of all knife crimes involve young
00:53:07teenagers, so well only in the last hour we saw footage of an illegal
00:53:11migrant with what appeared to be knife in his mouth mouth celebrating it on
00:53:15TikTok, yeah so I think from like citizen
00:53:18perspective, it scares me reading these headlines and I i don't have a sense that the
00:53:22police are top of it, um, Benjamin, your
00:53:26final thoughts, I mean the number of crimes involving knife or a sharp object
00:53:30fell by almost a tenthh in year on year, so
00:53:34that suggests..." that they're coming down homicides at the lowest ever in London. I
00:53:38don't what cultures think knife crime is normal, I find that a really
00:53:42strange comment. uh, but look, any knife crime is obviously
00:53:45unacceptable. I do find it interesting when sadiq khan talks about
00:53:49homicide being down whilst conveniently ignoring that sexual
00:53:52assault, that knife crime since he started as as mayor,
00:53:56and indeed other crimes like for example acid attacks are dramatically up. I think there is
00:54:00lot of cherry picking that goes on when it comes to London crime statistics from the maire,
00:54:04but going to
00:54:05have to cover that at another time, ladies and gentlemen, that's all that time we
00:54:09have on Alex Armstrong tonight lade eddition, coming up now,
00:54:12it is the late show live hosted by the one and only Ben
00:54:15Leo. Thanks, Will uh, President Trump
00:54:19has launched an AI task force today to try and combat the concerns and what he
00:54:22claims is misinformation behind AI, so uh, my great producer Evan, has
00:54:26got the AI actress Tilly on the show, you may have seen her on the likes
00:54:30of Peers Morgan and ITV in recent days, so I'm going to be quizzing Tilly
00:54:34with... few different questions as we've seen in recent days, such as how do we stop
00:54:38the small boats in England? also Ed Sherren is playing in Philadelphia tonight off the back
00:54:42of this controvercy after booting Macalmore of his tour, he blames the promoter.
00:54:46I've spoke to some fans up in Philly. lots more top of that to come after the break. see you a
00:54:50second.
00:54:55expect warm spells with the odd rude
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00:55:07GB news weather update from the Met Office. Overnight we can still expect
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00:55:15but overall as we head into tomorrow, it should be turning much
00:55:18drier. Now well, we'll see the bulk the rain will still be where this cold front
00:55:22slowly sinks its way southwards, also fair few showers across parts
00:55:26of Scotland, these merging into longer spells of rain at times and also
00:55:30turning rather heavy overnight. Most the rain across the south will
00:55:34eventually clear. and we'll see mix of cloud and also some clearer
00:55:37skies, but still going to be fairly blustery overnight, still certainly
00:55:41across the far north and northwest and with the added cloud and also the winds
00:55:45that does mean temperatures won't be dropping too low, mostly between 9 to 12
00:55:49degrees celsius. the across the south it is still going to feel rather
00:55:53warm and muggy. now across Scotland to start on Sunday, it's still
00:55:56going to be rather wet and windy, still a few of those heavy showers skirting their way
00:56:00eastwards. the old shower may also filter in around coasts of northern
00:56:04Island. Northwest England, but elsewhere across England and Wales, it
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