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00:00:02It is Rokers here
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00:00:23of of Good evening, I'm Sophia Wensler with your
00:00:26headlines at 6 o'clock. Andy Burnham has. Congratulated
00:00:30Denmark and the US a deal to strengthen security in the
00:00:34of Arctic after the two countries reached an agreement over Greenland. The
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00:00:45a diplomatic dispute sparked by President Donald Trump's threats to
00:00:49seize it by force. Downing Street said the Prime Minister and his Danish
00:00:53counterpart Meter
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00:00:57in a cool this morning. It comes out. Mr. Burnam prepares to meet
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00:01:06week. El Spencer says there are
00:01:11of of similarities between how both his sister, Princess Diana and the Duke and Dutches of Sussex
00:01:15have been treated by the media. Harry and Megan, who recently
00:01:19returned to the UK from California six
00:01:21years after stepping back from royal duties have been repeatedly
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00:01:33of cancerous influence on their lives. It would be really beholding
00:01:37on people to learn from Diana's example,
00:01:40in I'm not here to speak for Harry and Megan, but for
00:01:42of anyone who's being destroyed in this
00:01:45of way daily, it must be such cancerous influence in
00:01:49their life. One
00:01:50of the problems with Diana was, she's very, very sensitive to
00:01:55of criticism, and of course, I'm sure most of your viewers now think, oh
00:01:58she had this splendid life and it was all... amazing and she didn't, she was so privileged and
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00:02:06all that criticism, and yeah,
00:02:08I suppose it's a pity when I
00:02:09of see echos. So Davy says he is confident
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00:02:50mother and her two three-year-old children have been killed in the Kive
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00:03:30Brigitt phillipson, the chair
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00:03:34of of the Labour Party and the Minister for Women and equalities, joins me in the GB News studio now. lovely to see you this morning. thank you very much for joining me. i'm just
00:03:38going to ask you a question about
00:03:39of your previous guys as education secretary, because i
00:03:42of thought the
00:03:42in peza scores which kind of assess children around Europe and the
00:03:46world were
00:03:48of interesting. of england way ahead of
00:03:50of Scotland and Wales which didn't adopt the
00:03:53of reforms that Michael Gove introduced when he was education secretary. so
00:03:57does
00:03:57of that prove that Michael
00:03:58of Gove's much loath? reforms were actually right? i
00:04:02think
00:04:02of it shows that there are lots of strengths in the English school system,
00:04:06including in areas like Phonix, which was something that began under the last labour government, but
00:04:10then was rulled out by Michael Golve, that was something I've always supported because it's
00:04:14seen great results in terms of improving reading amongst children,
00:04:18and children having a really strong foundation in
00:04:20of literacy and numeracy is essential for all
00:04:22of their lives. I think what the pizza results also do show us is that
00:04:26in because
00:04:26of the challenges we still face around some
00:04:28of the deep-rooted inequalities and... gap
00:04:30of between uh the poorest children and the more affluent children, if we can make
00:04:34more progress on that, then the scores would be even stronger, and I
00:04:37of think that is the area that needs more focus, how do we tackle some of those
00:04:41big challenges that we see where young people in communities like mine don't
00:04:44achieve all that they should
00:04:46and how do we really you know f do further work on
00:04:50that,
00:04:50of because if we did I think we'd be seeing even better results, but we've got
00:04:53of a quite a big and entrenched disadvantage
00:04:56of gap uh within our school system. Okay, you're going to uh come out now with
00:05:00new unit that will prioritize the
00:05:02of white working class, you have in the past been accused of being
00:05:06a class warrior, is this more kind of work on class, a
00:05:10degree of popularism, perhaps to... appeal to reform voters,
00:05:13what's this all about? so
00:05:16I i've always believed it's right that we tackle inequality around sex, around
00:05:20disability around race, but I don't think we've talked enough about class and how that has an
00:05:24impact and what people go to achieve later on in their lives, so a community like
00:05:27mine and sunderland, there are amazing young people of such talent who want to
00:05:31achieve so much, but actually by virtue of where they're from, family background,
00:05:35family income, class, they don't achieve all all that they should, and as a
00:05:39country are poorer because of it, I also think government. 'when we're thinking about
00:05:43public services, about how we deliver things, we shouldn't just be thinking
00:05:47about areas like sex and race and disability, there essential that has to
00:05:51continue, but also what about class? why is it for
00:05:54example that you know, if you're from a working class background, you're far less
00:05:58likely now to get on in the arts, in media, in law, things haven't improved in
00:06:02some regards, some have, there has been progress, but government should be thinking
00:06:06seriously about our job in widening opportunity, and this is what uh the new unit
00:06:10is all about. do you still regard yourself to working class, I'm
00:06:14from working class background, but I don't live a working class life now, no, and
00:06:18I'm really fortunate that because of particularly
00:06:21education, I have, you know, I've had enormous
00:06:24opportunities,
00:06:26you know, I feel very fortunate to have enjoyed,
00:06:28and I want more young people in our country to have the chance to enjoy success,
00:06:32now success takes different forms, but I want young people to have a sense of
00:06:35purpose, a sense of belonging, and a real sense
00:06:39that like they can be optimistic about the future, but
00:06:42'you no, when I was growing up, I heard overheard lots of
00:06:46conversations about how whether we could afford to pay the bills, how are we going to make the
00:06:50money out up, that's not something my children have to experience,
00:06:54and I'm very fortunate and they're very fortunate, but you put down that degree of kind of, I suppose
00:06:57social midbility from where you grew up to making it all the way to
00:07:01Oxford down to education and indeed your mom
00:07:04working, because I was just looking back at your history and is thinking, well you are half educated under a
00:07:08conservative government, I think primary school, and then when you're in senior school'. a
00:07:12labor government, so I asked about the Gove thing as well, because so often education
00:07:16becomes so polarized, you have to accept that some of
00:07:20your social mobility happened under the tories. I have always been
00:07:24clear that the reforms of people like Kenneth Baker were critical and the
00:07:28were, they were critical to my experience in the school system too, so the introduction of national
00:07:32curriculum happened under a conservative government. I therefore find it a
00:07:36bit old that the conservatives have drifted away from recognizing that all schools should be
00:07:39teaching the national curriculum, that was the approach that I adopted. as education
00:07:43secretary, but some these reforms are generational 20, 30,
00:07:4740 years, some of worked well, like the national curriculum,
00:07:51others, I think, particularly around technical and vocational education, there is much more
00:07:55to do so that young people to that point about enjoying success, so
00:07:59that all young people are clear about where they're able to go in the
00:08:02future, um, and university was the
00:08:06right choice for me, I want young people to have genuine choice, whether that's
00:08:09university, an apprenticeship, going to college, not to have things
00:08:13closed down because of who they are and where they're from, but to have real choices
00:08:17and sadly background determines those choices
00:08:21for you a way that if you have more money and you
00:08:23have you know if you're from better off family often the
00:08:27choices that are there for you and the freedom that you have, they're just so much so much bigger,
00:08:31it might not be better off or less well off, it might be parents who work and parents who
00:08:35are on benefits, i just want to move to the economic situation because it's been
00:08:39much reported, the forthcoming budget, i know you're not going to you're not the... you're not going to start
00:08:43writing budgets on GB News, however, there's much talk about this 10
00:08:47billion pound black hole in the finances, there's much talk about inflation being up to
00:08:513.1%. there's much talk about the 30-year guilt
00:08:54yield being a all-time high or at least as high as it had been since the late
00:08:5890s. the questions are being asked about where's the money
00:09:02coming from? Andy Burnham now is reportedly not ruling out early
00:09:06election because he wants to scrap the manifesto which made key pledges on not
00:09:09increasing tax so he can increase tax. This idea of stealth
00:09:13taxes seems rather peculiar when we read today two
00:09:17different stories: first of all, that PIP benefits are set to
00:09:20double by 2030, that's up £9 billion
00:09:24pounds. So let's tax more working people, to quote your
00:09:27colleague, Pat McFaden to play benefits to those who don't work,
00:09:31and then thanks to the scrapping the two child benefit cap, we now have
00:09:35children with families with children, eight children or more, they're likely
00:09:39to get £21, more that. would give them a
00:09:43total benefits of 29,000, which is the starting salary of a
00:09:47police officer, so people watching and listening are thinking to themselves, why i
00:09:51being taxed more when the benefits bill is going
00:09:53up? so on the budget, as you said at the start, um,
00:09:57you'll know that I'm not going to engage in speculation and there'll be all manner of speculation that
00:10:01we'll read in the weeks to come ahead the budget at the end of October, but to
00:10:05the wider point about how we make sure we have a country where
00:10:08everyone can get on, and that's what I believe, yes, I do want to see... more young
00:10:12people in particular in work, the numbers of young people who are not in education, employment or
00:10:16training are way too high, that's not good for the economy, it's not good for any of
00:10:20us as as society, but it's also devastating for those young people
00:10:24to... that point earlier about opportunity, there's no sense of h or opportunity if
00:10:28you sat in your bedroom for years on and feeling totally directionless, there's more chance them
00:10:32being like that if their parents are on benefits, isn't there equally, some the
00:10:36hardest working people I know are people that are in low-paid jobs, they work
00:10:40incredibly hard, they do the right thing, they don't earn huge amounts of
00:10:44money and they deserve support to, and to that point about child poverty,
00:10:47one the biggest indicators is to what whether you will go to live a good life where you
00:10:51can contribute as whether you grow up in poverty, therefore tackling child poverty... 'lifting
00:10:55children out of poverty is absolutely the right thing to do and there
00:10:59is limit to what families are able to receive and it is right that that that there is
00:11:03an upper limit on that equally, i don't believe that children should be
00:11:06punished because of decisions that are taken by their
00:11:10parents, but they do suffer the consequences and we see in the numbers of young people
00:11:14who are out of work. okay, but there's a central deceat here, which is this notion, this
00:11:18false notion that the welfare bill is any way being cut, it
00:11:21isn't being cut, pip benefits'. set to double
00:11:25by 2030, the welfare bill isn't coming down, so basically we're going to have a
00:11:29budget on October the 28th which hammers people who are
00:11:33working, people like your single mom brought you up and helped
00:11:37you to socially mobilize all the way to Hartford College, meanwhile those who don't work
00:11:41are going to get be given handout, and and people like Jim Radcliff are saying that is why
00:11:44this country is going to the dogs, you can sympathize with that, working
00:11:48people can see it very, very clearly, the working people that labor is meant to
00:11:51represent. I'm not sure I want to be hearing too much from someone... the tax
00:11:55exileus to what they think is to the direction of our
00:11:57country, well he's a successful man who did wants to pay huge amount of tax into our
00:12:00economy, and other people who are very high rate taxpayers are
00:12:04leaving in their droves under this labour government, so we've just lost from Chris
00:12:08Roccos 350 million quid taxes because the labour
00:12:12government is hammering the rich too much. I do get the point about working people,
00:12:16people who work hard expect to see rewards for that contribution. It's
00:12:19why they will have seen in in recent months with the new prime minister Andy
00:12:23Burnam a real focus on giving people. more breathing space around VAT
00:12:27on electricity bills, around bus fairs, around business rates cuts for
00:12:30hospitality, which is incredibly important part of our economy, I think that
00:12:34shows the direction that this government wishes to go in, to recognize the
00:12:38contribution that people make and to make sure that they are awarded for doing
00:12:41so. there are of course always decisions for any chancellor a budget
00:12:45is to the balance that you strike and how you seek to achieve that, but I think what you
00:12:49have seen in the last two years is the public finances
00:12:52stabilized, we've got the... growth in the last six months
00:12:56of any economy in the G7, that's a good foundation to take into the budget,
00:13:00but yes there are, there are choices ahead, and this and the economy cannot be
00:13:04stabilized when guilt yields are higher now than they were under liz trust,
00:13:08quite fairly people could accuse the labor government of crashing the economy, also on
00:13:12the chancellor John Healey, sorry, why hasn't he resigned, he's
00:13:16not going to meet this 3% of GDP pledge by
00:13:192030, we have the prime minister admitting in the house of commons that
00:13:23now the ambition is pathway to 20. 35, so why is John Healey
00:13:26still in his post? so what both the chancellor and the
00:13:30prime minister have set out is that we will get to 3 and a half percent and they'll
00:13:34set that out next year in the spending review? yeah, but five years later than John
00:13:38Healey said when he was defense secretary, he resigned, he
00:13:42resigned over not getting to 3% by 2030, now he's
00:13:46happy to get to 3% by 2035 because he's got he's
00:13:49in a more powerful job and he's got a pay rise and it's another notch on his CV. this
00:13:53is this man unfortunately, I'm... is decent person, but this is abject
00:13:57hypocrisy from the chancellor, isn't it? so we've obviously got the budget
00:14:01coming up next month, but we've also got the spending review next year, and that will be the
00:14:04opportunity to set out that path to 3.5%. what I would say addition,
00:14:08however, is this labor government is investing more in defense than any
00:14:12time since the cold war, we are serious about defending our country, as much as he
00:14:16wants, wanted when he was defense secretary, it's amazing how he's moved the goal
00:14:20post, isn't it? well, we are serious about investing in defense given all the
00:14:23threats that we see in. internationally and I think you can judge us by our record in terms
00:14:27the defense investment plan and also the record levels of investment that we're putting into
00:14:31defend, the opposition leader has suggested that he's fiddling while um
00:14:35Russia threatens uh Europe once again we had very
00:14:39serious threats from Putin over the weekend, I put to you
00:14:43that if the pip benefit bill is going up by 19 billion
00:14:46and John Healey isn't going to meet the 3% of GDP target then
00:14:50you are prioritizing welfare over warfare, that's a perfectly fair criticism.
00:14:55that you must accept, the threats that we face are grave and this is a really a
00:14:59perilous time for for our country in terms the
00:15:02international threats that we face and what we see. however, I'm
00:15:06not really sure I want to hear the advice of Key Badnock on this topic, given that they never
00:15:10reached the NATO level when they were in government, in fact it was under the last labor
00:15:14government that we delivered it. they hollowed out the armed forces, they
00:15:18didn't invest in our defense, we are now we are now doing
00:15:22that, well they they were accused by...
00:15:25on former defense secretary of hollowing out the armed forces, we are
00:15:28investing in defense,
00:15:30it is right that we do that, but I do agree that we need to look at how
00:15:33we bring down the social security budget, because clearly we do not... want
00:15:37people to be out of work, especially young people, but in order to do that we've got
00:15:41to make sure that we're investing in what matters to get young people back
00:15:45into work and back into training and education. very quick question on donations, because I know you've been
00:15:49heavily critical of reform and this 72 million that's coming from those two crypto
00:15:53billionaires, but hasn't democracy been for sale for
00:15:56decades, particularly when it comes to the trade unions, giving money to
00:16:00labor, labor then comes out with the legislation that they
00:16:03support, so it's not even cash for questions, it's actually cash for laws.
00:16:08"I will always defend the link between uh the labor party and our trade unions,
00:16:12they help to found the labour party, they represent the voice of working people, but still
00:16:16democracy for sale, no what that means is um, you
00:16:20have um social workers, um, catering
00:16:23assistants, teaching assistants, welders, they contribute a couple
00:16:27of quid every month into their political pot through their
00:16:31trading influences policy, so it's no different to what you're accusing
00:16:35reform of, I think there is a world of difference." between someone on law pay
00:16:39working a school, contributing through their trade union to some dodgy crypto
00:16:42money drifting into British politics,
00:16:45I just don't think rights bill, but they that comes
00:16:49directly from often quite low-paid, low-paid workers who pay a
00:16:53small amount every month to their union so that their union says to us
00:16:56the labour party, we want to make sure that people in those jobs are
00:17:00represented, I take that seriously and I'm really proud of what we've delivered, I think that is
00:17:03fundamental to people seeing that work is the root out of poverty and
00:17:07feeling that their contribution is being valued and
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00:20:31The Shadow Chancellor Andrew Griffith has asked about this, you are economic secretary to
00:20:35the treasury under Liz Trust. Yes, so did you have role in that mini
00:20:39budget? Richard Fuller, do you now regret the role that you played? Not less with the
00:20:43role I played, no, but I think there are lessons to be learned, and we should be accountable in
00:20:47politics for those, and the key lesson from that is that... "if you want to have a
00:20:50bold approach on reducing tax, which conservatives naturally do, you've got
00:20:54to make sure you've done the hardyards on public spending first, and
00:20:58kemy has been very, very clear about that, fair enough. it is also fair to say that budget
00:21:02was four years ago, we're now looking
00:21:06at the third labor budget coming up, each time labor have
00:21:10had fiscal event, they have produced their forecasts and then
00:21:14they've run out of money, and then they've run to the taxpayer for more
00:21:17money, so accountability runs both ways." is the conservative party under
00:21:21Knock has learned the lessons from that period, we got inflation down to
00:21:252%, we got interest rates down, the labour party in government
00:21:29has always seen the taxpair as a backstop because they can't control public
00:21:32spending,
00:21:33and they've let inflation now go up above 3%. on the high
00:21:37borrowing cost today, so I think that 30-year guilt yield is now
00:21:41at 5.2951 something, and that's actually higher than
00:21:45under Liz Trust, but some economists point out that one the reasons
00:21:48why... 'the market responds more negatively to shocks in
00:21:52the British economy is because the is trust budget, is that fair? I don't
00:21:56think so.
00:21:57I i think people in the bomb market react to the government the day and
00:22:01how serious that government is about making sure that when they lend
00:22:05money to the government
00:22:06that the the money is safe. And that's why under Rachel Reeves,
00:22:10and I'm afraid under what seems to be a continuity chancellor, labor
00:22:13have said, don't worry abond markets, if we run out of money because we're borrowing lot
00:22:17and we're spending lot, we'll go back to the'. payer and will ask them to
00:22:21pay more money, that's why they extended the personal tax threshold free
00:22:25for another three years, that's why they've gone out to look for additional
00:22:28tax didn't unfreeze the tax thresolds,
00:22:322028, jeremy hunt put corporation tax up, so you're claiming to
00:22:36be low tax party, but that wasn't in evidence when you were in
00:22:39power, well let's be be clear, from the period after
00:22:4320 to 2019 to 2024, the public finances
00:22:47were shot to pieces by the response on COVID. 400
00:22:50billion spent on various measures to help people in the NHS, to help people with
00:22:54their businesses, to help people keep a float, nobody the time was
00:22:58complaining about that, that money had to be paid back, some people were questioning the wisdom
00:23:02of it and whether it was basically kind of bomb economic bomb waiting to go
00:23:06off some years later, and of course now it has, well that might have included me, but my my
00:23:10point is is on that is that that was befell the government, it
00:23:13wasn't art and design the government, the problem for the labor
00:23:17government now is that they have decided to spend more money,
00:23:21they're the ones who increased boring already by more than 200 billion since they came
00:23:25into office, so these are choices the labor chose
00:23:29to furlow, mean we can have debate about that till the cows come home, there was also of course the
00:23:33COVID loan fraud which saw the government basically fleased of
00:23:36billions of pounds, so perhaps COVID wasn't managed that well,
00:23:40you can't really, I understand what you're saying, because I i completely agree it was kind of
00:23:44an unprecedented global event that nobody had prepared for, least of all
00:23:48Boris Johnson, but
00:23:50you can't fall back on that and then
00:23:51not allow labor to blame global economic headwinds for their own
00:23:55was, can you? well, no where it's relevant,
00:23:58camilla, but I have to say that lot the problems in the UK
00:24:02economy, lot the reasons why labor keep coming back to the taxpayers for
00:24:06more and more, lot the reasons why labor forecasts about how much they're
00:24:10going to borrow, how much they spend are always wrong, is because they have
00:24:13charted a course themselves that says that public spending is
00:24:17important, we want to borrow more money, and most of... because they won't
00:24:21tackle welfare sure and people up and down this country cannot understand why
00:24:25labor is prioritizing spending more and more money on
00:24:28welfares and
00:24:29not putting any money forward
00:24:30for our defense on welfare by the way, so you've pledged to cut
00:24:34the welfare bill by 23 billion, but today we learn from the Sunday Times that
00:24:38PIP payments alone are going to go up by 19 billion
00:24:41by 2030, so really that means that you're only cutting the
00:24:45welfare bill by 5 billion because you're cutting a
00:24:48cut. or you're cutting a rise, I should say, if you're
00:24:52going to spend, if you're going to spend 23 billion less, but the bill
00:24:56at least for PIP is 19 billion more, you're not cutting
00:25:00welfare that by that much at all, well we the the the announcements you talk about that
00:25:0423 billion were the announcements we made at our conference last year, they were fully
00:25:07costted types of changes we like to make, we've made further choices since then, so
00:25:11for example we would reinstore reintroduce the two child benefit
00:25:15cap, that's an extra two and a half billion pounds, we're looking at other ways in which we can look
00:25:19to... produce my central point is it's kind of tinkering at the edges and
00:25:23not really dealing with the substantive bill going up, i put it to bridget
00:25:27phillipsen earlier when i think you watched it, i said there's a deceat at the heart of this government that you're cutting
00:25:31welfare at all, if you look at welfare spending now versus what it will
00:25:35be 203031, the bill is higher, so when they said they were
00:25:38cutting welfare, they were cutting a cut to welfare, and i'm
00:25:42saying that if you're on going to pledge to cut 23 billion from bill that's going to go
00:25:46up by more than that or nearly as much, you're not cutting welfare either.
00:25:50yeah, you might be more reminded to go with reform because they've pledged to cut 50
00:25:54billion, those are words, camilla, let me talk about reality, so I was member of part from
00:25:582010, in Duncon Smith, conservative mp had done enormous amount of
00:26:01work, sure, saying, work is at the heart of our welfare reforms, and we
00:26:05brought for from 2010 to 2015 and then certainly from 2015 to
00:26:082017, substantial changes in welfare, that meant we had to go through
00:26:12processes of reviewing welfare for people already on welfare, as member of
00:26:16parliament, having to deal with people who came in to say, mr. f, i've got
00:26:20this issue with my welfare payments, it's not going to come, these were difficult conversations to
00:26:24have, it isn't easy to make these changes, but the conservative
00:26:27government did that over that period, we also then introduced a welfare
00:26:31cap, the... we're going to cap the total amount of welfare and every
00:26:35single year the chancellor had to come back to say whether or not he had
00:26:39exceeded that cap. yes, what did labor do in 2019? they blew
00:26:43the cap up and said we're not going to revew it again for five years. all right, let's
00:26:47ask you what you will do, so we think that Kemy Badnock is going to announce that
00:26:50you want to scrap inheritance tax, yes or no? well, we'll see what we're looking
00:26:54a number of issues to do with
00:26:56not ruling it out, not ruling anything out my job to rule things out. okay, why didn't
00:27:00Andrew Griffith in his speech last week say? or commit to the
00:27:03conservatives reversing the increase in employers national insurance that Rachel
00:27:07Reeves brought in, well we have to see what the conservative team come up with and what Keny Benock
00:27:11says about tax and expendition, my role, my role
00:27:15as chief shadow chief sector treasury is to make sure that we're looking at ways in
00:27:19which whatever tax measures we want to take, that we have we've done
00:27:23the hard work on how we can afford that by bearing down on the
00:27:26balloony welfare bill, making real cuts as you rightly said, but also in other
00:27:30areas the public sector, it's It's really shocking, if you look back to
00:27:342019, whilst the productivity in the private sector has gone up and up
00:27:38and up, we're still in the public sector below where we were in
00:27:412019 in terms of productivity, that means more tax payers money being spent for
00:27:45fewer outcomes, but but the left will accuse you of tax cuts for the rich in
00:27:49order to cut spending, well that's not what the sweets say, so sweden
00:27:53that got got rid of inheritance tax, you're talking about inheritance tax, sweden
00:27:57not known for not being, sweden actually is known for being very
00:28:00egalitarian, sure, they got... the inheritance tax and what their
00:28:04review shows many some years later is it actually what it did is it benefited people
00:28:08because there were more people in work and the people and the economy grew
00:28:11okay final question um because we're running out of time uh we've got a
00:28:15story in
00:28:16the mail on Sunday suggesting that Andy Burna might want to call early general
00:28:19election touries aren't as ready as labor neither reform
00:28:23perhaps Libdem's already we don't quite know speaking to Lisa Smart in just
00:28:26moment you're not going to get enough votes to form
00:28:30majority so you'll have to do deal with someone. so presumably talks with
00:28:33reform are on the table? no, not been absolutely clear, there won't be
00:28:37pact with reform, and again,
00:28:40labor, i was, no,
00:28:44i don't think i think concern is going to win, but what this country, the polling doesn't suggest that Richard
00:28:47Filler at all, doesn't it? you're behind labour and reform, so
00:28:50the tories aren't winning this at the moment, on the current numbers, you are not winning
00:28:54this next election, are you? if we if we'd had this conversation in 2017
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00:33:05lisa smart, lovely to see you this morning, miss smart. now you're at your conference in
00:33:09Brighton, we can see just about the peer in the background, which is very nice
00:33:13too. let me put something to... you though, 72 seats,
00:33:17one at the last general election, but your poll rating has just, it's just
00:33:21stagnated, you're in the low teens,
00:33:24and some people, sorry to break it
00:33:25to you, are questioning whether Ed Davy should go the distance here,
00:33:29he's giving his seventh speech to conference, isn't he just a bit of
00:33:33a busted flush? we as liberal democrats debate our
00:33:37policy and decide our policy here, you go to some other party conferences
00:33:41and it's a series of fairly drab speeches after fairly drab speeches.
00:33:45so there's real buzz and excitement here cuz you're right to mention the
00:33:49record breaking 72 MPs, the most laddems ever,
00:33:52the largest third party in parliament for a century, but we've
00:33:56also had eight straight years of wins at local elections, we increased
00:34:00the number of MSPs in the Scottish elections by
00:34:03150% in May, and we've the
00:34:07only person who can convert votes into seats with this level of
00:34:11efficiency is ed Davy and the lib dems, there is genuine...
00:34:15buzz around the place at what might be coming down the tracks,
00:34:19we're seeing new labour government and we're looking
00:34:22towards the next general election, we've had some huge successes in
00:34:26terms the policies we've persuaded them to adopt, and I'm
00:34:30excited to see what comes in the future. well, when you
00:34:34say that when people think of Ed Dave, they think of efficiency, that's not
00:34:38quite what the polsters have discovered, and I'm not saying this
00:34:41because I'm disappointed that Ed Dave couldn't... appear on my
00:34:45show and has put you up instead, which I'm I'm very happy to speak to you, but
00:34:48it is curious that the liv dem leader won't speak to me on GB
00:34:52News on the day a epivol day in the middle the conference, but no matter,
00:34:56so when voters were asked to describe Ed Davy in their
00:35:00own words, 42% effectively said
00:35:04don't know or
00:35:05who, and
00:35:09isn't that an opportunity? I would just say Camilla that talking to you a Sunday
00:35:12morning is quickly becoming the high... of my conference
00:35:16diary, thank davy uh
00:35:20is has a real opportunity, so you're right, not everybody knows who he
00:35:24is, and there are some politicians he say mad stuff and get lots of
00:35:27coverage both online and on your channel, that's not Ed
00:35:31Dave's way, he takes a really, really thoughtful approach to politics,
00:35:35because there are some massive challenges affecting my constituence, affecting
00:35:39all of our fellow citizens, and Ed takes the the thoughtful
00:35:42position on things like social care, you will... miller that's far too many
00:35:46families are not getting the care and support they need for their loved ones, there is a
00:35:50real problem with how we're funding social care and it involves real thought, real
00:35:54consideration and a proper plan. ed's been pushing for for us to think
00:35:58about social care much longer than any other politician, partly because of his
00:36:02own personal story of having cared for his nana and his mom and now caring for his
00:36:05lovely son John. the last labour government under
00:36:09Kier Starmer said they take three years to have look at how to fund social care,
00:36:13that's far too long families. can't wait that long and so Ed was part the
00:36:17conversation with the new prime minister over the summer, those cross-party talks, looking
00:36:21at what needs to happen and how it needs to happen much more quickly. Ed's a
00:36:25serious, thoughtful statesman. "and I couldn't
00:36:28be prouder to have him as my party leader. I think serious,
00:36:31thoughtful statesman may be overstating it a little bit, because
00:36:35he has been known for his clown-like antics. However, I take your point on
00:36:39care, and to be fair of all the party leaders, he is speaking from personal
00:36:42experience and speaking with conviction on that subject.
00:36:46However, isn't it the case that even with the last prime minister Kier
00:36:50Starmer and now the new one, that he spent much of his time at PMQs
00:36:53almost trying to curry favor with the labour government. Let's be honest." public
00:36:57can't really distinguish you from labor because you
00:37:01are against proposals to cut welfare,
00:37:05um, you're very much in support of things like wealth taxes and mansion taxes, and
00:37:09of course, despite being liberal democrats, you advocate
00:37:12trying to reverse pass over the referendum and realigning with Brussels, don't
00:37:16you? I don't think anybody would say that Ed Dave is agreed with
00:37:20the government's approach to Donald Trump and some the wackier things he's been
00:37:24doing, and talked about Trump and the governments. approach to Trump at
00:37:28PMQs many times, he's also talked about care a lot
00:37:32the time. I talked to constituents all every week all the
00:37:35time, and they ask why can't you just get together across
00:37:39party and work on things you agree with? There are too many big
00:37:43problems facing our country, the threat from Russia and their aggression
00:37:47in the east of Europe, and it's at the hybrid war that's going on in this country,
00:37:51now people are scared about what the future might hold, and they want people to work
00:37:55together for the betterment of our country. "now are you just talking
00:37:58about wanting to work together because at the end the day the livedems are
00:38:02there, as I say, your poll ratings in the low teens, you may have
00:38:06some kind of role to play a coalition if one party
00:38:10or the other doesn't have enough seats to form majority at the next general election,
00:38:14so basically you're just keeping your options open, so we know that the libdems are
00:38:18open to pact with labor and possibly even the greens on the
00:38:22side and Ed Dave in recent times has said you're open to doing
00:38:26pact with the concern." conservatives even after the disaster the
00:38:30last coalition, Lisa
00:38:31Smart? So I want the
00:38:35to be as many Liberal Democrats elected after the next election as possibly
00:38:39can be, because that gives us the most power, that gives the most chance of us uh
00:38:43implementing our liberal democrat values in government, and we're a political party, we
00:38:47exist to fight and win elections so that we can get stuff done and you do that being in government.
00:38:51I think
00:38:51it will be a really weird thing for us to spend lot of our time trying to stop
00:38:55Kemy Beydenok's conservative Party. giving the keys to number 10 Downing Street
00:38:59to Nigel Farage to then do some sort of deal with them after an election, so I
00:39:03think that sort of scenario feels a little farfetched to me, but
00:39:07people seeing councils up and down the country, good people working together when
00:39:11there are areas we agree on, and that's actually one the things that surprised me
00:39:15most, I was elected to parliament two years ago, and the amount of cross-party
00:39:18working on issue by issue basis is much more than actually you see
00:39:22on the tele, but
00:39:24hang a minute, let me just try and drill into what you've just answered there. "are
00:39:28you saying that you would entertain, and this is why Ed Davy's rhetoric has
00:39:32changed somewhat, because I remember back in the day he said, we'll never enter into
00:39:36coalition with the Tories again, they let us down, we had to abandon our scrapping of
00:39:40tuition fees, etc, etc. You seem to be saying that in
00:39:43order to stop Nigel Farage, you would entertain the idea of
00:39:47pact with either Bade Knock or indeed
00:39:49Burnham, no, what I
00:39:53said was it would be a really weird thing for us to do to fight the conservatives."
00:39:57tooth and nail as we are doing in many the seats across the country, I won my seat from
00:40:01the conservative, there were lots of seats across the country where that was the case, and if you
00:40:05look at the places where we are second, where we're closest to winning, lot of those are
00:40:09currently held by the conservatives, it would be a really weird choice for us and it'd be quite
00:40:13a sharp pivot to us for us to go from fighting them
00:40:17tooth and nail a seat by seat basis and also some their
00:40:20rhetoric where it's frankly it's quite hard to distinguish what Kenmy Bednock
00:40:24saying from what Nigel Farage is saying. 'It would be a really
00:40:28weird choice for us, we've had four sittings from the conservative party
00:40:32defect to reform, and I think we're up
00:40:34to 20 odd forma conservatives defect to reform, and they
00:40:38now new candidates for the conservatives have to sign up to reforms
00:40:42policy platform in order to stand for the conservatives, so I think that would
00:40:45be, I would be very uh, I can't see a way in which that could
00:40:49work. All right, so very quickly, yes or no answer, more likely to do pact with labor
00:40:53then, I'm focusing very much on winning my seat back at the next general
00:40:57election'. and I won it in 2024 and I want to make sure I
00:41:00use my uh platform to get things done for the constituents of Hazel Grove
00:41:04to actually win next time and I know number of my colleagues are doing the same thing, I
00:41:08want the biggest number of, I want the biggest number of Lib dems elected so that we
00:41:12have the most power after the general election, and I think everybody
00:41:16is right to look at what's going on now rather than worrying about what happens after the next general
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00:45:31Dr. Lions lovely to see you this morning, we've got this warning for us to Jin
00:45:35Radcliff who admittedly hasn't lived in the UK since 2020, but hey,
00:45:39he's a success. for businessman has made lots of money and he suggests that the UK is
00:45:43on the slide, obviously he's not alone in the millionaires and billionaires leaving the
00:45:47country in their droves, including recently Chris Rochos who takes his
00:45:50350 million pound contribution to the exchecker with
00:45:54him, just how bad is it? well,
00:45:58good morning, um, it's bad, uh, what the UK is heading for debt
00:46:01crisis, the good news, if there is good news is that we're not alone,
00:46:05other countries are a similar position, and it's not imminent, not
00:46:09imminent. in terms the extent to which you will hit hard, but one can
00:46:13already see that financial markets globally are concerned, not just
00:46:17about the UK, but about other western economies. the challenge in the UK
00:46:21is that borrowing rates for the government are much higher than
00:46:24elsewhere, and that's reflecting three things: one, that bank rate is
00:46:28high in the UK, it never came down sharply in recent years as the
00:46:32Europeans cut rates for instance, they're now of course raising rates.
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00:46:43outlook for the government's fiscal stance, basically the public
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00:46:51fiscal position hence. "the UK government is borrowing a very
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00:46:58fiscal burden. how much of this is kind of legacy from
00:47:02Liz Trust's mini budget and how much of it is as result the
00:47:06labour government and its last two budgets? it's not so much
00:47:10blaming one particular government or another, it's the fact that
00:47:14in recent years neither the major parties has addressed the issue to
00:47:17get that g, that growth rate higher and to get the
00:47:21basically..." borrowing rate down, which requires the Bank of England to do better
00:47:25job at keeping inflation under control, so I wouldn't blame it solely on the mini
00:47:29budget is a combination of factors built up over the years, but
00:47:33that picture across Europe, Dr. Lions, I mean is it because we've had
00:47:37successive governments of all different hues sort of addicted to
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00:47:44we've seen this uh tax take reach kind of record post
00:47:48war high, that's been replicated across other European nations. some of
00:47:52it may also have something to do with mass
00:47:54migration. well, yeah, in the
00:47:58UK in terms of migration, it's often being seen by
00:48:01economists, including the official forecast the OBR as
00:48:05necessary way to get growth up. i don't necessarily agree
00:48:09with that. obviously, if you
00:48:10have skilled migration, that's a good thing, but when you have large scale migration, it
00:48:14clearly adds the whole series of costs. the challenge in the
00:48:18UK is that instead of investing, either investing in capital.
00:48:22or investing in people, big corporations have gone for
00:48:26employing or cheap, sometimes heavily
00:48:30skilled, it has to be said, migrants as well, so migration is a
00:48:34sort of not the cause the problem, it doesn't help, but it's a
00:48:37legacy the issue in the UK, which is that for years we've not really
00:48:41invested enough, indeed over decades, but coming back to the borrowing figures so
00:48:45we don't get diverted, the challenge ahead the budget at the end of
00:48:48October is that the growth figures are not going to be materially raised high.
00:48:52"they're probably going to be better than the OBR, the official forecaster viewed in
00:48:56April. Therefore, the chancellor needs to actually do few things, he needs
00:49:00to recover his buffer, his fiscal buffer, which allows him to meet his
00:49:04fiscal rules has been depleted, then he needs to borrow any
00:49:08more to actually fund spending, so he needs to basically cover
00:49:12the buffer and cover increased spending, there's a comprehensive spending review next
00:49:15year, but we know spending is already very high, so the question then is
00:49:19whether he basically borrows more or whether..." he taxes more,
00:49:23he does actually have scope to actually borrow more, given that last
00:49:27week the Bank of England decided to sell less get guilts to the
00:49:31market, we're borrowing less in terms of number of guilts we sell this
00:49:34year, so the borrowing might be able to be one root out of it,
00:49:38but unfortunately taxes are likely to increase as well, but I
00:49:42think he's going to go down the middle ground of not going for massive tax
00:49:45increases because the markets would see those tax increases as not been
00:49:49good for growth, so the challenge is unless you... gets spending under
00:49:53control and and unless growth starts to pick up, then the
00:49:57chancellor basically has to decide whether to borrow more or tax more.
00:50:01yes, but are you saying it's a choice between borrowing and taxing rather than cutting
00:50:04spending because we're dealing with socialists? no, there's
00:50:08a look, there's three things i've argued before
00:50:12in this program, one is sensible fiscal policy, and therefore the policy on that
00:50:16front has to be to get public spending under control, simple
00:50:20end of. second, we need to actually have a... sensible monetary policy that
00:50:24gets inflation under control and that would allow borrowing yields to come
00:50:27down, and third, you need to get growth up, growth up
00:50:31requires supply side reform, that doesn't come overnight,
00:50:35at the moment it's a k-shape economy in the UK, in terms of think the
00:50:39capital k, parts the economy are going up, parts of it are going
00:50:43down, the parts that are going down are the mory bound interest rate
00:50:46sensitive sectors, there's lots of talk about taxing housing more,
00:50:50mansion tax coming down to
00:50:52a low level that highlights the real problem when you go down the wealth
00:50:55route of taxing you start to actually find that you start to hit the middle
00:50:59classes, housing is already the
00:51:01biggest financial asset for most people in the
00:51:05UK, it's the largest asset class, it's already taxed
00:51:09incredibly heavily, if you start to tax it even more
00:51:12then it hits the market really hard, and bear in mind that if you
00:51:16start to lower the mansion tax threshold then you start to do what happened in
00:51:20other countries, you deter people from upgrading their
00:51:24property, and who gets hit by that? sold traders,
00:51:27the white van man, and
00:51:29you start to have a real negative economic consequence, so coming
00:51:32back to the chancellor's budget, tax increases that seem simple
00:51:36politically, have very damaging economic impact. final
00:51:39question, how much do you think the welfare bill needs to
00:51:43come down by for them to provide for some more fiscal
00:51:47head room for some the suggestions you've made? we've got reform pledging to
00:51:51cut that bill by 50. billion, we got
00:51:53the tories pledging to cut it by 23 billion, and yet we learned
00:51:56today that pip payments alone are going to go up by 19 billion
00:52:00by the end of this parliament, right? in answer to your question, the
00:52:04markets, will take the view that you cut welfare spending quite
00:52:07significantly, but
00:52:09you need to cut it a credible way. that needs to be credible
00:52:12economically and it needs to be credible politically. as we saw year
00:52:16ago when Starmer and Reeves were there, they tried to trim the pace of
00:52:20welfare spending increase by about five billion, tiny amount in the
00:52:24scheme of things and that caused upward with the back benchers. so you
00:52:28need to have a credible plan, economically you want to actually do it as soon
00:52:32as possible, but the markets realized that... it probably needs to be
00:52:36phased in and it needs to be phased in maybe over time, so coming back
00:52:40to your question, quantifying it, picking the number out the air
00:52:43is not the issue here, it needs to be meaningful and significant
00:52:47reduction in the welfare bill, for instance in terms the triple lock
00:52:51which everyone picks up, that adds that
00:52:55so far over the last few years has probably added 12 and a half billion since it was
00:52:59introduced back in 2011, so that's small
00:53:03but not that big in the sc things, you really need to make
00:53:06inroads into the big areas and that's the political
00:53:10damaging cut issue, so coming back to your question, the
00:53:14markets need to see meaningful significant reduction in the
00:53:17welfare bill, it needs to be seen, it's credible, not just economically
00:53:21but politically, but it needs to be seen not in isolation, but in terms
00:53:25of an overall economic package that has some economic
00:53:29vision and some prospects to get economic growth higher,
00:53:33buse really we need to get economic growth. the g up and we need to get
00:53:36inflation and eventually that interest rate that we borrow
00:53:40at
00:53:41down.
00:53:55today clouds overhead, turtals
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00:54:06to your GB News weather update from the Met Office. It's going to be quite a warm
00:54:10start to the week ahead before temperatures gradually return to average towards the
00:54:14end the week. It should be mostly dry, though we are expecting some rain
00:54:18towards the north, and it's a fairly similar picture as we head our way into the
00:54:21overnight period, high pressure meaning mostly dry conditions for much of England
00:54:25and Wales, but a warm front eventually crossing the far northwest, so that'll
00:54:29drag in some cloud across Scotland, Northwest England and Northern Ireland, and as
00:54:33we progress through the early hours of... morning there'll also be some rain and drizzle
00:54:37around, but to the south of this it should remain mostly dry, we'll see
00:54:41quite a few clear spells across England and Wales so any rural spots
00:54:44temperatures could get down to between 2 to 4°grees
00:54:48celsius. now to start off the day across parts
00:54:52the north, rather cloudy and quite damp at times, particularly across any western
00:54:55hills where there could be some quite persistent rain and drizzle, also quite
00:54:59cloudy and gray start towards northern island, some spots of rain and drizzling
00:55:03places also towards... northwest England, a bit of cloud across
00:55:07western areas of Wales, southwest England, but actually for many areas of England and
00:55:10Wales it should be quite a dry and bright star and it should warm up quite
00:55:14quickly through the course the morning after that chilly start, but
00:55:18towards the north it's likely to remain quite cloudy, still spells of rain and
00:55:22drizzling places, especially across western hills of Scotland, perhaps a
00:55:26bit cloud at times across Wales and southwest England, northern England
00:55:29also the best the sunshine likely across the far south and southeast,
00:55:33but for all it is going
00:55:34to be... warm day, temperatures widely in the low to mid-20s and feeling
00:55:38quite humid towards the end the day as well. now Tuesday is
00:55:42very similar picture towards the north, still often quite cloudy with some rain and
00:55:46drizzle, the best the sunshine across the far south. some of this rain
00:55:50could turn a little bit heavy as well as it slowly sinks its way
00:55:53southeastwards, and for the rest the week, mostly dry, settled,
00:55:57still a little bit of rain across the north and temperatures eventually returning more
00:56:01towards average for this time the year. today cloud..."
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