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00:00:18Stephen Allen and this is
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00:00:23Economically, what can
00:00:24you do differently? A wealth tax, possibly
00:00:26of the super rich? Uh, I do believe we need a greater sense. of
00:00:31of fairness and people feeling that things are are are being
00:00:34done in in the right way and fair way, yeah, the
00:00:38telegraph is reporting tonight that Andy Burnham is
00:00:41of planning a £4 billion pound tax rate to
00:00:43of of fund a
00:00:47of of £20 billion pound
00:00:47of of a handout for the lowest of earners. Meanwhile, at the Times claims that more than half of labor MPs have a
00:00:51greater number of
00:00:52of disability benefit claimants in their
00:00:55of constituency than the size
00:00:56of their
00:00:57of electoral majority, so no wonder so many
00:00:58of them don't want to see... welfare
00:01:01in reform, the sun is str has a striking headline
00:01:04of calling lucy let be escape goat, the paper has revealed in its
00:01:08of of investigation that a whistleblower claims
00:01:10of there's no evidence she killed babies. Andy Burnham is to
00:01:14set up special rape courts to deal with sexual offenses across the UK,
00:01:17it'll cost the government 23 million pounds, and
00:01:21a site for saw eyes, the staggering amount that migrant
00:01:24a households claiming benefits and it's in the
00:01:27billions.
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00:01:39Joining me this evening to sort it out, we've got businessman and activist Adam Brooks, political
00:01:43commentator, Alex Grant and former labour minister Bill Ramel, and
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00:02:02of I'll reveal why later, but first let's get your news with Sofia
00:02:11of of Wensler. Good evening, your headlines from
00:02:15in the GB News room. Labor is considering
00:02:17of raising of capital gains tax to find a £14 billion pound handout
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00:02:24of telegraph. of The of prime minister and chancellor are reported to be
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00:02:36of allow Andy Burnham to follow through on his pledge of overseing a cost of
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00:02:44Iran. Specialist courts to deal with
00:02:47a rape and sexual offenses will be rolled out across England and
00:02:51Wales, Andy Burnham has announced. Officials
00:02:54of say every crown court will have at least one courtroom dedicated
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00:03:07of girls, which labour promised in its 2024 manifesto to have within a
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00:03:24of reported, the two men were arrested and remain in police custody, while
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00:03:59Mr. refused to step down despite a catastrophic
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00:04:35good evening right, let's go through your front pages to see what we're dealing with tomorrow, we can
00:04:39start with the independent which has a the
00:04:41in headline of climate 100, the 100
00:04:46of of people who've been sorting out this climate thing, we'll see how that's gone uh, the mirror
00:04:49of has of - of ed, i feel so alone, ed sheer and not being happy about what's been happening, the
00:04:53express goes with stop your tax raid nations high
00:04:57streets, the telegraph has the headline
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00:05:06of help the poorest, the Times for tomorrow has half labor MPs at risk of pip cuts backlash, we'll get into that
00:05:10one later, it's
00:05:11of fascinating the... has eyeback team Harry
00:05:15and Wills and the guardian goes with European Spy
00:05:19chiefs brace for Russia to test NATO pact, the daily
00:05:22mail has Kemy saying, "I'll ditch tourist tax to
00:05:26boost Britain and the sun, Lucy, Letby,
00:05:30Scapegoat, question mark, so we will definitely be getting into that one later
00:05:34as well, but let's get the thoughts of my panel, businessman and activist Adam Brooks,
00:05:37political commentator Alice Grant, and former labor minister Bill
00:05:41Rammel, join me. evening
00:05:43to go through some these stories, let's go to the telegraph first of all because you got to talk money, everyone's going to be
00:05:47talking about tax, sadly it's the topic isn't it, so labor
00:05:50is £14 billion pound tax raid to help the poorest, bill, this does
00:05:54seem like the meetings are being held to work out how to tax
00:05:58more people, more tax, more the time, well look we're in the run up to a budget
00:06:02and this this is based a submission that's gone in
00:06:06from an independent person uh of of a change
00:06:10that you could make to capital gains tax, i happen to think there is merit in
00:06:13it, because we tax uh people in work
00:06:17more than we tax people who live off their assets, and you
00:06:21know there is case for equalizing capital gains tax with income
00:06:25tax, it's what actually Nigel Lawson did in 1988 in
00:06:28Margaret thatcher's uh government, it would only affect
00:06:320.4% of people, but what's interesting about this
00:06:35proposal is that linked with it uh, yes you would equalize
00:06:39capital gains tax with income tax which would affect.
00:06:420.4% the richest people
00:06:44in the country, but you then raise the tax threshholds
00:06:48for um the vast majority of
00:06:51people uh up to about 15,000 pounds a year, so I think it's got some
00:06:55merit. the the argument, your first approximation is you
00:06:59want to level these ways of earning money, the tax you pay on the way you earn money you level up, but one
00:07:03thing about um capital gains tax is would it not disincentive people
00:07:07investing, when you've got an economy that you say you need to grow, you need people
00:07:11to have that money around to... invested in things? well, it would have to be done
00:07:15carefully. uh, as I understand it, the proposal is that it will be phased in over
00:07:19number of years uh, to give people time uh to
00:07:22adjust, but look, you know, it's it's not government policy, it may or may
00:07:26not come to pass, but look, we're a run up to a budget, and there are all sorts of
00:07:30submissions and all sorts of kite flying that always takes place in advance the
00:07:34budget. yeah, all these kites all seem to be moving in the same direction, not
00:07:38a lot of kitees about cutting spending, just different ways of being taxed from different
00:07:42angles. or cutting taxes and I remember how every single bank
00:07:46of England professional was on the news screaming about
00:07:48you know
00:07:49the the guilt yields when trust came out with her budget and the gil
00:07:52yields right now actually a worst position and no one's saying anything so what I'm
00:07:56wondering is why on earth there was such an upraw when someone came along with
00:07:59very different market approach and which I think was honestly quite
00:08:03valid in its principles and I think could definitely we need more of that kind of
00:08:07growth um agenda and and now we're not seeing the
00:08:11same reaction. even though things are categorically worse. what about
00:08:14to bill's point then? this this could fix and it's just suggestion at the stage,
00:08:18but that issue of fiscal drag, that old sneaky way of taxing is more. if
00:08:22you actually do move those boundaries that would be a step in the right direction, wouldn't it?
00:08:26um, no, disagree. i'm i think the profiscal
00:08:30drag? no, but um, in terms of um
00:08:33taxes, i think that the real issue here is just there's no
00:08:37incentive anymore to work hard, because you're just going to be taxed basically the same
00:08:41rate. there's no incentive to get up. work and that is what's really slowing down our
00:08:45economy and economic growth, would one the reasons you'd actually
00:08:48enjoy promotion at work would be if those boundaries moved up
00:08:52there's no point getting a pay rise buse
00:08:53it will nudge you straight into those higher band because they've stayed where they are for so long and
00:08:57inflation is doing the the nasty work the government for them whereas if you can try and
00:09:01move those boundaries up then you could get a pay rise and stay at the same same rate
00:09:05yeah i have to look at the policy in more detail okay you pay
00:09:09people this is must be what you deal with every single time you open up
00:09:12excel, you have
00:09:13to have look at who's getting paid what, you at the moment things
00:09:17are disincentized from employing people and paying them more, the first two labor
00:09:21budgets were diabolical and so hurtful for
00:09:25small businesses, especially in hospitality, so we're paying more tax
00:09:29than we've ever paid, um, our industry is its
00:09:32knees, um, and now they want to,
00:09:35you know, anyone that's da put some money away, wants to buy some assets,
00:09:39with money they've already paid tax on, have... "now
00:09:43you know, if they buy an asset and it goes down, they not get anything back off
00:09:47the government, are they? but if it goes up, suddenly they're going to get hit with
00:09:50load of tax. i think uh, this government needs to look at maybe the
00:09:54laugher curve and realize that lot these policies that they're bringing in
00:09:58could actually hurt tax receipts in this country, and people have had
00:10:02enough now of paying such higher taxes and what you're going to see if you
00:10:06keep bringing things like this in is clever accounting uh
00:10:09accountants finding ways around it, they're going to..." start moving money
00:10:13around that actually again generates less tax
00:10:17income for this government and then who picks up the tab? it's going to be the
00:10:21average worker again that's going to have to pick up the with higher taxes.
00:10:25down the under this proposal, and it's not government policy, but under this proposal, the
00:10:29average worker would benefit significantly, but I tell you what, we're talking about the
00:10:33press, the most interesting story I've read in the press today was in the
00:10:36Sunday Times and it talked about, and I hadn't spotted
00:10:40this, uh, and there's all this talk about how much fiscal headroom has the
00:10:44chancellor got within the fiscal rules, and the Office for
00:10:48National Statistics came out last week and said it had
00:10:51miscalculated productivity of British workers '
00:10:55for years and years and in fact whereas the
00:10:59productivity increase over number of years was 9%, it's
00:11:03now believed to be 16%, that massively impacts on
00:11:07the fiscal rules and the judgments the office budget for
00:11:10responsibility,
00:11:11and I think we've got to get better at these things uh, because it affects all of us, so even if
00:11:15they've miscounted it, we are living in the economy that had that productivity, and yet we don't
00:11:19feel it, do we? if anything we feel like because there's noise
00:11:23being made about the good times. coming, why are we having such a bad time with it's just
00:11:27threats of more tax? but but but productivity levels feel
00:11:31feeds in to the fiscal rules and the budget headroom that the
00:11:35government has got uh and if you're under playing
00:11:39that it means that the government is grappling around actually
00:11:42looking for either more spending cuts or more tax increases that aren't
00:11:46necessarily, but
00:11:47the head room is the thing you don't want them
00:11:48to use, it's the this the contingency in case of emergency, the headroom is like well if things don't
00:11:52quite pan out, so that's not what we want to be aiming.
00:11:54might be bigger than we think, but
00:11:57still
00:12:03that's not saying we've got the we are living in the economy that has benefited from whatever has happened
00:12:07in the economy even if they've not counted it right, and and I think I said this
00:12:11earlier on on this show, wait, wait until the budget, I think
00:12:15there are going to be some moves, buse that means
00:12:19I can't ask you follow-up question, you just
00:12:20want to wait, no, no, no, I genuinely think and burn in his,
00:12:25"he's had some real impact since he's been prime minister, the cost of living measures have been
00:12:29at the center of that, I think he will want to deliver on some
00:12:32further moves to ameliorate the cost of living pressures for
00:12:36people within the budget, which is only what four or five weeks, what
00:12:40economy has ever, grown because of higher
00:12:43taxes, we need to stimulate this economy, take
00:12:47risks, this trust had a go, but the optics of certain
00:12:51things totally undermined her budget, if some of those..."
00:12:55policies had been enacted and we'd cut certain rates, we would be
00:12:58seeing a more energized economy, because
00:13:01when when when you're paying less tax, you've got more money to suddenly
00:13:05invest back into the economy, at the moment everyone's just thinking, as I
00:13:09said earlier in the show, I'm getting offered pub leaces, I'm getting offered businesses all
00:13:13the time, maybe five years ago um I might have thought you know what, I ever
00:13:17go at that, but at the moment I'm thinking no, I'm not putting my house at
00:13:21risk because this government will come in and tax me more or they're going to... take
00:13:25more the pie and that is how so many in the business
00:13:29world are thinking right now, from small business owners like me to some the
00:13:32giants, they're looking and they're on the sideline with money and thinking
00:13:36i can't dive in now because this government could take it, and
00:13:40that is dangerous, dangerous path that we're we're we're going down, and if it
00:13:44continues, if he doesn't cut any rates um and any taxes or give
00:13:47us something to work within the next budget, i would say this economy is going
00:13:51to really go down hill, yeah just for move to another story just to that, that key point,
00:13:55can you tax yourself into
00:13:57growth? not, not, not its
00:14:01own, but we've heard this mantra from the right of british politics
00:14:04for years and years and years that all you need to do is cut taxes
00:14:08and you will fuel economic growth and it's not born out by the history
00:14:12books. no, that's not necessarily the opposite the the claim though, is it? so
00:14:16taxing won't help, cutting tax in the wrong
00:14:19areas also m not help. you've just identified another area that wouldn't help, whereas
00:14:23definitely taxing more people... won't be helping growth, but it it it depends
00:14:27how, but
00:14:31but but you look across the public sector and there are
00:14:34massive demands for additional spending, whether it's roads, whether it's the
00:14:38NHS, whether it's schools, those in the real
00:14:41world those demands have to be addressed, now
00:14:45part the way you address that, I believe is through welfare reform uh
00:14:49targeted in the right way, but you are going to need some some
00:14:53tax rises uh 'I I've argued before that I think the big
00:14:57mistake this government made when it came to power, the touries in their last two budgets
00:15:01delivered a f in the pound cut to corporation tax
00:15:05that was unfunded and unsustainable uh and I think that's the
00:15:09first target that the government should seek to reverse. Yeah, do you think it might, I know it
00:15:12feels like we always keep end up picking on you, but hopefully this come across as
00:15:16that, but there are different times when you can have that sentence, you can solve this by
00:15:20tax risers and when you've got maybe a low tax economy, more taxers might make
00:15:24sense, but when you are where we are now, it's a big tax burden
00:15:28that everyone's suffering, so more tax rises might bring a bad
00:15:32effect, everyone talks, but you know exactly what we're talking,
00:15:35and look, arguing that the solution for the
00:15:39government is big tax rises, no, I'm not arguing that, because I think we are
00:15:43a historic high in terms of tax as a percentage of
00:15:46GDP, um, but I mean, I'm not
00:15:50privy to the exact state the public finances, I think there
00:15:54may need to be some adjustments at the margins, and
00:15:57I, I,
00:15:58the reason I'm attracted to this proposal is that it would be really
00:16:02redistributive and it would cut taxes for the vast majority of
00:16:06people, tax cut. at least someone's actually said tax guy out loud can we bring
00:16:10the times in as well because this is kind of uh linked isn't it this story about half of
00:16:14labor MPs at risk of pip cuts backlash the maths of this
00:16:17is amazing disability claimts outnumber majorities in 58%
00:16:21the party seats as ministers fear rebellion mean alex it makes
00:16:25you think if these stats are correct how do you see anyone walk down the street no
00:16:29that's exactly right and there was that revealing very revealing channel 4
00:16:33documentary where it
00:16:34was clear that people on benefits are sometimes are they just are earning more than if they
00:16:38were a job, so what again is the incentive to start working? mean,
00:16:42there really isn't any, and and i think you know,
00:16:46obviously i have so much compassion for people who have mental health problems
00:16:49that mean they are unable to work or you know or are in
00:16:53you know deep sort of anxiety or disbility, but working
00:16:57is so crucial i think to having a good mental health and being
00:17:00able to integrate back into society, so why don't we see push for that?
00:17:04because you know people who are suffering and on
00:17:08this vicious cycle of welfare are never going escape this if they're not given the
00:17:12actual proper support that they needed any sympathy for this situation adam because normally you're not a
00:17:16sympathetic got these labor mps painted into a corner what people have got to
00:17:20realize is that if people are relying on
00:17:24benefits whether they're due them or not uh they're
00:17:28more likely to vote that party back in if they're getting more money
00:17:32from that party so for me it looks like labor are buying votes here
00:17:36mean the unbeliev rise in disability benefits and other
00:17:40benefits since labor came to power is just impossible. there's no
00:17:43way we've got that many disabled in this this country. mean, some the
00:17:47criteria is laughable uh and it's quite depressing when you
00:17:51think about it because um it's just mad to think that people can get money for
00:17:55ADHD um and not work. i've got a sun
00:17:59with quite bad ADHD uh the thought of him not working
00:18:03is not going to happen and the thought of him claiming benefits for it is not going to happen. he
00:18:07starts to... new job apprenticeship on Monday as an electrician
00:18:10apprentice, he wants to go out and earn his money, he wants to be
00:18:13proud, um, and certainly his ADHD has not stopped him
00:18:17doing that, unfortunately we have labour government and we have a
00:18:20system where you can be a perpetual victim
00:18:24and earn a nice living off it. Blair and Brown open the flood gates
00:18:28to benefit Britain 1.0, now Starmer and
00:18:32uh Burnham, it's benefit Britain 2.0. I want the genuine
00:18:36cases earn more. "the genuinely disabled should earn more
00:18:40money, but unfortunately we now have people that should be the legal reasons,
00:18:43I'm sure labor would say they're not technically buying votes for more on
00:18:46that, but it's good knock about Adam, but
00:18:50if we want serious conversation, the rise in personal independence
00:18:54payments actually dates back to COVID, started under the last
00:18:58toury government and yes it's gone uh further under this
00:19:01government and and there is there is a real problem there that
00:19:05we need to tackle and we need to tackle it" way somewhere else within the
00:19:09papers tomorrow there's a really shocking
00:19:13report about over diagnosis of ADHD uh and
00:19:16because people are not able to get without waiting ages
00:19:20and ages a diagnosis on the NHS they're going to private providers
00:19:24and there's some evidence from doctors
00:19:27that uh nine out of 10
00:19:31applications through private providers have come back with with a positive
00:19:35diagnosis other european countries? got the problem that we've got, so it's
00:19:39not a society thing, is it? it's a British problem, and it's
00:19:43a British problem that is created by our
00:19:46government. well, we'll see how that happens. all right,
00:19:49more on the stories coming up, we've got look, well
00:19:52on the way we'll take a look into more on the front page the telegraph on the way for us. this is
00:19:56Alex Armstrong, tonight, late edition with Stephen
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00:23:12welcome back to Alex Armstrong, tonight late edition with Stephen Allen
00:23:15tonight, and I'm here with my panel, we've got businessman and activist Adam
00:23:19Brooks, political... commentator, Alice Grant, and former labour minister Bill
00:23:23Rammel, sorting out all the stuff on the front pages. So back to the front page the Telegraph, and
00:23:27this one we're going to get nurdy with numbers, I'm afraid, we know how I like that. Um, households with
00:23:30migrants claim record 12 billion pounds in universal
00:23:34credit. There's ways of spliting this data is ways of analyzing it
00:23:38uh, but Adam, what you take
00:23:39on it? Well, I, I've just found a tweet that I did um from
00:23:43July in 2025 with this exact figure uh 12
00:23:47billion a year universal credit. If I... go to
00:23:50america, sell up my house, lose everything, maybe try and open a
00:23:54business, it fouled, would I be able to stay there and
00:23:57claim their benefits? no, I wouldn't. why are we allowing foreigners to
00:24:01claim benefits in this country? um, I think it's 1.3
00:24:05million foreigners are claiming universal credit in this
00:24:08country, um, over two million are
00:24:12claiming a benefit of some kind. If we want to save
00:24:16billions and billions of money in this country, stop that.
00:24:20'make it for British people only, that is what really the
00:24:24benefit system system should be for, and I don't understand why more
00:24:27people aren't speaking about this, because you can come over here, get social
00:24:31housing, we're in Paddington right now, 70% of social
00:24:35housing has foreign born in in Paddington,
00:24:3870%, across London, it's over 50% of social
00:24:42housing, yeah, I can't afford to live in, but um, you don't
00:24:46even have to frame
00:24:46it that way, do you, you could just have it as a contributor system, whereas - if you've not'
00:24:58I mean that's just common sense and instead what is the current policy if you have
00:25:02indefinite leave to remain which means that you can be refugee
00:25:05or you any basically immigration status is
00:25:09welcome to to be a parasite really on our on our
00:25:13welfare funds part the problem we've got such a messy system buse in when
00:25:17you talk about this you imagine people on really hard times who can't get by without benefits
00:25:21get benefits, people have jobs, have jobs, but it's not is it, the blurred
00:25:25edge of people in work still need to have benefits, have we ended up in that situation,
00:25:29and while you've got that, it's hard to pick who gets in who shouldn't. no, exactly, I
00:25:33think what we really need is lot of legal reform, especially in terms the status
00:25:37these foreign nationals, because as you said, what we want is an immigration system that
00:25:41incentivizes people to come here who are willing to contribute to our
00:25:44economy and not be a burden on it, and instead we know we've got a massive
00:25:48crisis on our hands, with practically unchecked immigration, people not
00:25:52being deported because their legal rights, um, and just a
00:25:56complete mess the system, and of course it's droning our resources and who's
00:26:00getting taxed in the end, it's going to be us, the... working british people, it's so
00:26:04deeply unfair, so bill, what have we said that's wrong?
00:26:08uh, these figures, the increase is
00:26:12a direct result the so-called boris wave, where net
00:26:15migration went up to million people a
00:26:19year, which was completely unsustainable and
00:26:22unaffordable, um, and that that has driven these figures and these are not
00:26:26asylum seekers, they're people, the big rise within
00:26:30this are people who've gained indefinite. leave to remain and
00:26:34for me that means the government has to stick to its guns
00:26:38on restricting uh the time scales within which you can
00:26:41get indefinite leave to remain moving forward, but
00:26:45there is also an irony here for those who've campaigned
00:26:49for Brexit, we've moved from a system where we had
00:26:53predominantly um very
00:26:55hard-working east Europeans who were coming in who were
00:26:59contributing significantly uh to this... country and
00:27:03significantly to our taxes to a system now outside the
00:27:06European Union where we've had lot more immigration from
00:27:10other parts the world um which don't contribute
00:27:14lot of your labeled Brexit as racist have been proven
00:27:18wrong then haven't you that Brexit really was the opposite of racism
00:27:22uh in that case down is that why you voted for it is that why you
00:27:26wanted it so you wanted these numbers to go up no i voted for Brexit because I
00:27:30wanted to be sovereign country and not have and authoritan
00:27:33authoritarian organization having their laws, trump our laws in our
00:27:37own part, it wasn't an authoritarian uh body, we
00:27:40had it lost out
00:27:43massively, it started as a trade block and then it it became an organization that
00:27:47wanted their laws to superceed our own in our own
00:27:51parliament and that is what happ and is that is that why British people now regret
00:27:55Brexit by two to one, political class didn't allow Brexit to happen,
00:27:59you've done everything, you've done everything to stop it.
00:28:02Brexit, fancy, it was
00:28:04a fancy, I would much rather have our politicians make
00:28:08terrible decisions as they are doing, then have unelected,
00:28:12unaccountable bureaucrats make terrible decisions who there is no way
00:28:16to to put them to account,
00:28:17at least we can have vote and we can say and we can decide
00:28:21our own policy, at least we can change our
00:28:24laws, at least we can decide, it wasn't unelected
00:28:28uh officials,
00:28:29I don't remember el
00:28:32don't remember. council of ministers and as a minister I attended the council of
00:28:36ministers and one the problems over the years was that
00:28:39successive governments agreed decisions within the council of
00:28:43ministers and then came back and said nothing to do with us cove and that
00:28:47was dishonest underm 27 states quote
00:28:51unquote agreeing on set legislation how on earth is
00:28:55that a tool representative the taxpayers of that nation I mean the
00:28:59further you get away from from the national democratic
00:29:03mandate which puts politicians where they are by
00:29:06vote, of course the further away you get from being able to hold these
00:29:10people accountable and all the legislation being passed
00:29:13to the European parliament of which there is a ton, of
00:29:16course, what what say do we have? i'm so glad we left,
00:29:20even if they're making a terrible, i'm
00:29:22glad
00:29:26immigration, we turned our back on our biggest trading
00:29:30partners, we've put up huge obstacles in the way of trade
00:29:34that has affected businesses, affected jobs and affected prosperity in this
00:29:38country, we don't want to fully rehash 26, even
00:29:41though I'd love to go back, but the point
00:29:44is this is why it shouldn't be retrospective debate about Brexit or not Brexit, the
00:29:48issue is the way in which Brexit was done has brought with it flaws that no one thought
00:29:52this, you might have
00:29:53been able to say oh there'll be definitely some problems, no one would have thought this would
00:29:57have happened, no yeah no one would have pr to Boris Wave, no one would have thought oh we'll definitely end up
00:30:01with 12 billion pounds. well, well, I, I think the last tory government
00:30:04is mass, particularly Boris Johnson, who was the arch
00:30:08proponent of Brexit, and the arch propoment of saying, you vote for
00:30:12Brexit and we're going to tackle immigration, and he then allowed under his
00:30:16government net migration to rise to million, that's why people
00:30:19have had enough the uni party, we've had enough of uh, read
00:30:23the polls, Adam, they've had enough of your party, trust me, if there
00:30:27was an election tomorrow, you'd see people come out and vote on the right bill, you're
00:30:31totally underestimated.
00:30:34underestimating the anger against the uni party, the
00:30:38conservatives and labor have ruined this country over the last 15,
00:30:4220 years and people will not forgive that, if it was a choice
00:30:45tomorrow between reform and labor, you're going to have the biggest
00:30:49shock of your life bill, because do not trust the
00:30:51pulls,
00:30:542016, every political charlotan have ever known, says don't trust the
00:30:58polls, let's all stay, let's all stay friends, before we run out time, the question i do want to put...
00:31:02is that the thing that mentioned earlier on about changing things to being a contribution-based
00:31:06system, that would also get rid of what people talk about being the incentive,
00:31:10the the temptation to try and make a dangerous crossing, one of those you've got to get rid the pull
00:31:14factors. having a system that's not based on whether you've contributed into it or not is
00:31:18one the pool factors that causes issues with the legal crossings, well the the
00:31:22benefit system is not um more
00:31:25generous here than
00:31:27it is in other countries and you know France France per
00:31:30head of population has got about 50% more asylum seekers than we've got in
00:31:34this country do they get hotels bill you they get other form they
00:31:38get other forms of accommodation we our whole package as a whole is
00:31:42far more generous than the rest of Europe. as a whole, when you put all
00:31:46the freebyes in, yes it is, and tell you what the biggest kicker is, and what they
00:31:50tell our reporters on every beach that go down, when they go
00:31:54down there, we will not get depolted because you're depolting
00:31:574%, and the tour is only depulted 4% the crossing,
00:32:01so the odds there is they look around and think only four out of 100
00:32:05of this boat is going ever get deported, let's take our
00:32:08chance, and that is why they are leaving Sweden, some them have got
00:32:12asylum claims already in Sweden and other... places, but they're coming
00:32:16here for more, and because they know there's more chance, they're going to
00:32:20stay here, right? they come, they come, they're attracted to come
00:32:24here because the English language, because
00:32:27because because historically, because historically people have been
00:32:31able to work within the black economy, the reality, adam, and you're not facing
00:32:34up it is there has been a huge problem with the boat crossings, they are
00:32:38now heading for six-year low this year, we need to get them down
00:32:42further, but genuine progress is being made. 'and you know, I heard you
00:32:45earlier, actually, and I was astonished you were claiming this,
00:32:49it's down to the French, it's down to the deal we've done with the French, you replay what I
00:32:53said, Bill, I said for the first six months of this year, the weather
00:32:57conditions for crossings were some the worst that we've seen in many
00:33:01years, so that accounts for some the drop, and for once, in the hottest summer
00:33:05we've had since 1976, hold on, yeah, the the the channel, in the first six
00:33:09months of this year, the channel was very rough and it was very windy, now also
00:33:13we have independent journalists'. "and channels like this
00:33:16going over to France and highlighting the French
00:33:20authorities, proving they're lying when they're trying to stop the boats, so
00:33:23now you are seeing more action over the last two or three months from the French because
00:33:27they know they've taken us for mugs, so that and the weather will
00:33:31account for lot the drop, if you look
00:33:34at this government, it's this government and this home secretary putting real pressure on
00:33:38the French to do more, and it's beginning to work, one in one
00:33:42out policy, real pressure."
00:33:46so anyway,
00:33:46on the way in the next section, something else has been
00:33:49banned.
00:34:02don't remember that atmber episode, but there you go, oh no, it's the BBC has cut a Mitchell and
00:34:06web sketch, I wonder why, this is Alex Armstrong tonight, late edition
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00:38:11welcome back to Alex Armstrong Tonight Late edition. uh joining me now ahead
00:38:15the late show live at midnight. GB newsers Ben Leo. Ben. What have you got for
00:38:19us tonight? Hello Steve, hope you're well uh tonight we're
00:38:23gearing up for the big UN General Assembly meeting next week. President Trump will be there.
00:38:27of course, probably taking a massive flameflower to the
00:38:31globalists in attendance, Andy Burnham is due to be there as well, we understand he's having
00:38:35a 30-minute meeting with President Trump uh, we're going to be talking about what the top
00:38:39the priority list will be for both people, I suspect Trump will be talking
00:38:42about Northia oil uh, maybe immigration as well, Andy
00:38:46Burnham, I don't, what's the top of his priority list do you think uh, there's been a leak
00:38:50today to uh the Times newspaper, Katie Balls who's the Washington Washington
00:38:54editor uh the Times, she'll be with me tonight. speaking about
00:38:58this exclusive, but one US diplomat has told the paper that President Trump is
00:39:02planning a speech at the UN to the effect of, I don't think
00:39:05anyone is pulling their way to the UN. the war would be over if people
00:39:09helped me out and listen to me uh and Trump's speech uh, he
00:39:13will say the the speeches at the UN from other people are going to be
00:39:16boring uh, the real news apparently is made during his sideline chats that we
00:39:20won't get to see with the affor mentioned Andy Burnham um so that'll be
00:39:24interesting, Bev Turner is flying on Air Force One for GB News tomorrow. heading to New York so
00:39:28hopefully she gets the inside scoop
00:39:30a certain couple of things and elsewhere um Jim Ratcliff uh
00:39:34I'm sure you've seen this the Manchester United boss and the inios
00:39:37boss he's been uh basically saying that the UK is pretty
00:39:41much unsalavageable uh off the back of Bridget Philipson's comments we have
00:39:45spoken to a British Expat who runs a pub in Florida and we'll
00:39:49be asking him whether he'll ever go back to the UK and what needs to
00:39:53be changed before he would consider it what lessons can we learn from
00:39:56America with with regards to finding Armojo again, Steve,
00:40:00yeah, I
00:40:00mean it could be also front page the telegraph Trump gets a mentioned there, Trump may blow up
00:40:04entire nation of Iran, so I hope you're paying attention, you might have some
00:40:08really big breaking news for us later, excited, actually yeah, so
00:40:12this was all kicking off, as you mentioned, this was kicking off last night, so RF fairford
00:40:16of course, which is the US air force base shed with the UK, there was a a
00:40:20lancer bomber took off and immediately after taking off the afterburn as we're on
00:40:23suggesting they were going rushing somewhere very quickly, Benjamin.
00:40:27Yahoo! then pulled out of a US trip and uh yeah, anyway, I'll see
00:40:31you in the late show live just after midnight. fantastic, GB News Legend, Ben leo on the
00:40:35way
00:40:35at midnight. um, back with my panel then, Alex, Alex arms from tonight late
00:40:39edition, um, let's deal
00:40:40with this, the BBC has been accused of classic overkill
00:40:44after cutting a series of sketches dealing with racism and racial stereotypes from the
00:40:48bafter winning that match Mitchell and web look. all
00:40:52four series the show, starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, were added to i
00:40:56player to mark its 20th. However, 11 sketches have been
00:40:59removed from the episodes, including one involving racist war
00:41:03reenactment, a burker wearing makeover
00:41:05show, and a tribe living a garden
00:41:09center. Dom Jolly, the comedian behind Trigger Happy TV, described the
00:41:13removals as classic BBC overerskill overkill, and um,
00:41:17saying that cutting sketches that saterize racism amounted to
00:41:21hysterical censorship. Alice, I mean, try and pretend that
00:41:25you're surprised, but like I was just remembering like the days of like little Britain and
00:41:28when stuff on TV was actually really funny and you know if
00:41:32it's
00:41:33you know a bit provocative that's the point of humor, you're supposed to be slightly
00:41:36offended, I like to be slightly offended in like a funny
00:41:39way, you know? "I think you have to have a thick skin and
00:41:43especially when you're talking about what's obviously fast, fast call
00:41:47sketches, design to make you laugh, and from what they looked like, I mean I
00:41:51didn't really see much, but I just saw something that looked like it was obviously
00:41:54pretend and obviously supposed to be funny, the the issue in the what's really a
00:41:58stap is creative industry that's being completely suffocated
00:42:02and um real a real attack on
00:42:06creative expression and freedom to express you know what..."
00:42:10you want to do
00:42:10in in pop culture and it makes for very bland society and i
00:42:14personally don't watch tv except for gb news
00:42:18so that's probably why so i don't look i
00:42:21don't know how recently you've rewatched any these things it's almost like there is difference
00:42:25between um little britain where you watch some the things you think all right well guess that's what you
00:42:29could joke about then but the the joke was just some
00:42:33silly joke whereas with some these sketches the thing they're
00:42:37trying satirize is racism so now you can't even mention
00:42:44and find it really funny that it's dom jolly who is a
00:42:48really woke anti-brexit sort of campaign over the
00:42:52years and he's saying this that's what what surprised me most
00:42:56out of this but look
00:42:57the world's going mad
00:42:58it really is just allow things to be out it there isn't
00:43:01as violent long or as it's really bad
00:43:04taste allow it and let people make their own minds out if they don't want to watch it they
00:43:08turn it over exactly. worse out there to be honest, like I
00:43:12mean in terms of violence and things that are just,
00:43:15you know, even for children, things
00:43:17that are pushing very dodgy and dubious, sinister agendas, I
00:43:21think there's a lot worse on TV to be honest, I think thosical
00:43:24sketches, why they being attacked, it's that's part the
00:43:28agenda, it's a serious question, why are they being attacked, why, why focus
00:43:32on removing these, what's the issue of leaving that on the eye player, look, I'm a fan
00:43:36the BBC, but I think the BBC is getting too many these judgments wrong, and I think...
00:43:40"this is over the top, it's it's the wrong judgment, you go
00:43:43through back through the history of television, things
00:43:46like old enough to remember this, others won't, till death us do
00:43:50part with Alf Garnet, Alf Garnet who was racist
00:43:54was the butt the joke, basil faulty in faulty
00:43:58towers you know with his anti-german rants, the joke
00:44:02was on him, and this is satire and you have to
00:44:05allow satire, and I'm taking back to um a former life
00:44:09I was..." Ricky Javez's boss and no I'm not David Brent um
00:44:13but Ricky always said to me good
00:44:16comedy is giving your conscience a day off
00:44:18and I think we need to remember that a yeah situation
00:44:21we're though now where look the complaint the again
00:44:23BBC the complaint
00:44:24against for removing these sketches will just be us sitting here going oh why they doing
00:44:28that but if they've left them on the complaint against the BBC for leaving
00:44:32them on would be some sort of orchestrated online pile on so the power
00:44:35shifted now Alice we're
00:44:38in we're we're trapped into a corner. um, I don't think so,
00:44:41I think that
00:44:42you know the the big media giants and frankly the
00:44:45BBC is the corporation that has run media in this country
00:44:49for have a long, are the ones that kind of set the tone in the scene,
00:44:53so what they are, their influence on public opinion and public
00:44:57perception of what's exceptful and what's not is, is very informative,
00:45:01so I grew up watching little Britain so I was always prepared that
00:45:05comedy was going to be sometimes a little bit naughty, a little bit provocative
00:45:09and that was fine. and even before then
00:45:11with faulty towers and wanty Python like you're used to you know seeing people being
00:45:15made fun of and sometimes in harsh ways and it's
00:45:18funny and it's supposed to be funny and they set the tone and they
00:45:22should be defending freedom of speech here though do you think this is
00:45:26pendulum swinging or just move in one direction move in one direction i
00:45:30think the BBC marks its own homework it isn't
00:45:34accountable much the time to offcom like many other channels and let's
00:45:38remember who works at the BBC they're nearly all leftes,
00:45:41woke leftis and that explains a lot of it uh, a BBC
00:45:45spokeswoman said that Mitchell and Web look has been made available on the BBC
00:45:49player, a 20-year-old sketch show in consultation with the program makers,
00:45:52we've included that ones that still work today uh and not the
00:45:56ones that don't - on the way for us next, the sun has a striking
00:46:00headline, more of that on the way - this is Alex Armstrong tonight,
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00:49:17welcome back to Alex Armstrong tonight, late edition, but with Stephen Allen, he's not just aged
00:49:20badly uh, I'm joined by panel, we've got businessman and activist Adam Brooks,
00:49:24political commentator, Alex Grant, and former labour minister Bill Ramel. We need to
00:49:28go to the sun, front page of that. Lucy letbe scape goat, question
00:49:32mark, I almost
00:49:33I keep struggling with working out where I stand on this, but looking at the direction of
00:49:37movement, the more we hearing becomes more interesting. Adam, what's your thoughts? I can't
00:49:41make decision, because one, I wasn't in the court when she was convicted and I didn't
00:49:45see the uh evidence, and too, I haven't seen this evidence by
00:49:49top dog that says uh, there is no proof. kill baby
00:49:53so I can't really make a judgment on that, I've got to
00:49:56believe that the courts made the right judgment uh in the first
00:50:00place, and if there is
00:50:02so such a question mark over the evidence, I want to see
00:50:05investigation into that, I want it presented or want another trial,
00:50:09because we can't keep going along, once every three months did she
00:50:13or didn't she, babies died, now if you're one the parents
00:50:17of those babies, you want to know who killed your child, was it the
00:50:20hospital with their... policies or
00:50:24or or the lack of care, or was it crazed nurse?
00:50:27you want answers, so I think for everyone to sort of do this, they've
00:50:31got to stop putting these p these stories up and
00:50:35demand retrial or demand inquiry, yeah an, I mean
00:50:39it's very easy to play armchair expert
00:50:41a lot of topics, but in these kind of stories you probably have to
00:50:45have a flipping phd
00:50:46in biology to understand half the things going on, so what's your take on it? well,
00:50:50I think if it is true that she is scapegoat then that's a real
00:50:54miscarage of justice and she was demonized as this baby killer, everyone was
00:50:57horrified. um, i think that if it turns out that it's just hospital
00:51:01failings, which might well be true given the state of RNHS and
00:51:05widely and sometimes the care that's received there,
00:51:08um, it it might be true, but regardless, mean it would be
00:51:12really shocking if that if after everything and after the trial
00:51:16and all the evidence presented to the jury, it was not the case that she
00:51:20killed these these poor children, yeah, so we're... having to put our faith in the
00:51:23justice system, but there are loads of stories of it not particularly working,
00:51:27it just gets more and more complicated, isn't it, bill? it it it
00:51:30does, um, but if if you listen to the
00:51:34judge last week who um came out with
00:51:37the report the inquiry, whatever the
00:51:41cause, there were massive failing, failings within the
00:51:44system, the
00:51:46led to at least three babies dying who didn't need
00:51:49to die uh, and i think that's Absolute scandal,
00:51:53I have to say in respect of Lucy Leppi, and she is appealing the
00:51:57conviction, I've heard enough
00:52:01from number of experts, and although he's a political opponent, David.
00:52:05Davis I quite respect and he's done a huge amount of work on this
00:52:08and he has argued based on the evidence that he's assembled
00:52:12that there are serious doubts about the conviction against that and I i've
00:52:16got a gut instinct uh that I think it may have been an
00:52:19unsafe conviction but but we need we need to
00:52:23get that outcome that that appeal needs to take place and
00:52:27then whatever the the massive failings within the
00:52:31system have got to be rectified and part of that inquiry that came out.
00:52:35uh last week, there was then the story that the chief executive who
00:52:39oversaw this disaster um with massive
00:52:43massive consequences then went on with the support the trust to get
00:52:47jobs elsewhere within the NHS supported and and I
00:52:51think he was given nine months salary whilst he wasn't
00:52:54working um you know whilst this was under investigation I think there are
00:52:58serious serious also just remember from what I just seen
00:53:01online she had confessions didn't she in? in the
00:53:05initial trial, there was confessions by Lucy Letby, so if that was
00:53:09the case, why did she confess to something she didn't do? thank you very much tonight
00:53:13panel tonight, that's all we've got time for uh, up next on Lake Show Live, hosted by
00:53:17the one and only Ben. Steve, thank you very much,
00:53:21uh, the UN general assembly kicks off on Monday, Bev Turner is there on Air Force One,
00:53:25President Trump is set to take a flamethrower to the globalist in front of him with a
00:53:28barnstorming speech, also Andy Burnham will be there as well, he's been
00:53:32congratulating President Trump on the Greenland. deal, it was only few months
00:53:36ago, his party, Ankir Starma, were completely slagging it off in public, so
00:53:40why the hypocrisy now? all that, and much more after the break, we'll see you
00:53:43there,
00:53:48expect warm spells with the odd rude
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00:54:00GB news weather update from the Met Office, it's going to be quite a warm
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00:54:07end the week, it should be mostly dry, though we are expecting some rain
00:54:11towards the north and it's a fairly similar picture as we head our way into the
00:54:14overnight period, high pressure meaning mostly dry conditions for much of England
00:54:18and Wales, but a warm front eventually crossing the far northwest, so that'll
00:54:22drag in some cloud across Scotland, Northwest England and northern Ireland, and as
00:54:26we progress through the early hours the morning there'll also be some rain and drizzle
00:54:30around, but to the south of this it should remain mostly dry, we'll see
00:54:34quite a few clear. spells across England and Wales, so any rural spots
00:54:38temperatures could get down to between 2 to 4 degree
00:54:41celsius. Now to start off the day across parts the
00:54:45north, rather cloudy and quite damp at times, particularly across any western hills
00:54:49where there could be some quite persistent rain and drizzle, also quite
00:54:52cloudy and gray start towards northern Island, some spots of rain and drizzle and
00:54:56places also towards Northwest England. A bit of cloud across
00:55:00western areas of Wales, southwest England, but actually for many areas of England and
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00:55:07quickly through the course the morning after that chilly start, but
00:55:11towards the north it's likely to remain quite cloudy, still spells of rain and
00:55:15drizzling places, especially across western hills of Scotland, perhaps a
00:55:19bit cloudier at times across Wales and southwest England, northern England,
00:55:23also the best the sunshine likely across the far south and southeast, but
00:55:27for all it is going to be a warm day, temperatures widely in the low to mid-20s
00:55:30and feeling quite humid towards the end the day as well, now
00:55:34to... day is very similar picture towards the north, still often quite cloudy
00:55:38with some rain and drizzle, the best the sunshine across the far south.
00:55:42some of this rain could turn a little bit heavy as well as it slowly sinks its way
00:55:46southeastwards, and for the rest the week, mostly dry, settled,
00:55:50still a little bit of rain across the north and temperatures eventually returning more
00:55:54towards average for this time the year. expect warm
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