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00:00:23A journalist was also
00:00:33"Now, in the first part, it will become clear today at 4 PM,
00:00:36what our situation will be, we may see a diesel price approaching 100 liras,
00:00:40there is not much optimistic news for pensioners
00:00:43or for the minimum wage regarding January,
00:00:47you increase the minimum wage by 25%, it remains below the hunger line, it slightly exceeds
00:00:5135 thousand, you know the hunger line approached
00:00:5437,000, when you look at it this way, oil
00:00:58prices are increasing by 30% in the world." In our country, it is increasing by 400%,
00:01:02it is not very possible to understand this in 3 years, add exchange rate, add tax, add profit,
00:01:09do not really say that your
00:01:13tax has decreased. We buy the most expensive car and the most expensive mobile
00:01:16phone in the world, we pay the most expensive rent,
00:01:20you look at the housing problem, rent prices, really, I don't know if
00:01:24a 15-thousand-unit rental housing project
00:01:27will solve our problem.
00:01:41"I don't want to mention his name, I'm ashamed," he says, "He gave a statement chewing gum,"
00:01:45he says, he's talking about Ahmet Davutoğlu's statement,
00:01:48then who shook hands with whom, who
00:01:52greeted whom, who attended, who couldn't attend, the discussions
00:01:55are growing, other discussions are emerging from there, such as
00:01:58a villa for Öcalan. Today, the İmralı delegation
00:02:01is going to the island to visit
00:02:04Öcalan. The Den Party delegation is going to İmralı today.
00:02:08So, when you look at it, Kozinoğlu's grave is opened 15
00:02:11years later. The grave opening process
00:02:14is being done. After that, other discussions, other statements
00:02:18emerge. Now we will discuss all of these. We will discuss it like this:
00:02:21in the first part, Ekrem İmamoğlu's political ban
00:02:25and 2 years, one month prison sentence will go to the appeals court.
00:02:28Let's see what the result will be, will other
00:02:32results emerge from there? For example, municipalities, the last municipalities, the AK
00:02:36Party won 90 municipalities from many parties, but approximately
00:02:3935 of them are metropolitan municipalities,
00:02:43a large majority, 31
00:02:46are CHP. In Istanbul alone, there are 12
00:02:49districts and it continues. We have discussed all these,
00:02:53now let's see what other
00:02:55topics we have. Now, Kozinoğlu,
00:03:00Kaşif Kozinoğlu, in 2011,
00:03:04even on November 12, 2011, while he was in prison
00:03:07in Silivri, our guests, Mr. İbrahim and
00:03:10our other guests, also told us that
00:03:14he was tracking and working on
00:03:17the fight against FETO in Central Asia.
00:03:21It is claimed, it is claimed. Then
00:03:24in the Ergenekon case, he goes to prison,
00:03:28he is arrested. Then, in November 2011, he pressed
00:03:31the emergency button, but
00:03:35there are allegations that the sound of the emergency button
00:03:38was suppressed by a guard connected to FETO,
00:03:42and that there was a late intervention. The family says
00:03:46it was a suspicious death.
00:03:49They have been saying this for years, and 15 years later, his grave
00:03:53is opened again to re-evaluate
00:03:56this death, whether it was a heart attack or another reason.
00:04:00Did his mother die? But something like this happens:
00:04:03the grave was opened on Saturday, the procedure was done. Now,
00:04:06with new evidence,
00:04:09they will try to shed light on the matter and reach a definitive conclusion.
00:04:13Akın Gürlek, the Minister of Justice, also made a statement in this regard. But
00:04:16it goes back to the TV series Kurtlar Vadisi in 2011. Two days before
00:04:20November 12, that is, before Kaşif Kozinoğlu's
00:04:23death, in the series, a prisoner named Kazım
00:04:27Kaşifoğlu
00:04:32is killed by someone nicknamed
00:04:34Kara by injecting air
00:04:38into his arm with a syringe. The
00:04:42dialogues and
00:04:44the process there are also very
00:04:48similar. Two days later, Kaşif Kozinoğlu died on the way
00:04:51while being taken to Silivri State Hospital. First in the film,
00:04:54then first in the series, then in real
00:04:57life. And Kazım Kaşifoğlu
00:05:00and Kaşif Kozinoğlu, the names are also
00:05:04placed like that in the series. The death of the
00:05:07MIT officer Kaşif Kozinoğlu
00:05:10is now...
00:05:16Aysan was called to give a statement, the screenwriters
00:05:18of this series, these are what we experienced 15-16 years later.
00:05:21Then there are detentions, there are arrests, Selahattin
00:05:25Günday was
00:05:28arrested, his
00:05:30arrest also took place on Friday.
00:05:36arrested due to the news he made at that time.
00:05:39There is no footage because it is in the written press. He works, there is no
00:05:43camera, and I obtained
00:05:46the information from various sources, he says, not directly from me, I mean,
00:05:50he says that at that time, other news was also published in other newspapers,
00:05:54he was arrested, and a discussion flared up
00:05:57there too, no one understood that either,
00:06:00so such a process was experienced 15 years later.
00:06:04Now, I don't know Selahattin, Selahattin Günday,
00:06:07he is
00:06:09an opponent,
00:06:11that is, let's say left-wing media, he is a person who woke up
00:06:14in the left-wing media
00:06:16who has
00:06:18no connection with FETO, on the contrary, he is stated to be an enemy.
00:06:22But now one thing
00:06:25catches my attention, I saw it from Hüseyin Ersöz's post,
00:06:29now I'm quoting from the posts, I'm quoting
00:06:32from what's written, they say
00:06:34that the incident is 2011,
00:06:38uh-huh, arrest and
00:06:41arrest. I mean, the date this crime is said to have occurred
00:06:44is 2026, yes, 15 years pass,
00:06:48uh-huh, it should be statute of limitations. The footage
00:06:52you mentioned, Kaşif Kozinoğlu entering the
00:06:55Beşiktaş courthouse, what is that? Let's talk about what happened before.
00:06:58Kaşif Kozinoğlu leaves the military. He joins MIT during Hakan Fidan's
00:07:02term as MIT head, and MIT sends him to Central
00:07:05Asia during Hakan Fidan's term. The claim related to
00:07:09monitoring in Central Asia is
00:07:12that Kaşif Kozinoğlu was following FETO schools and FETO
00:07:15structures in Central Asia.
00:07:18Then Zekeriya Öz calls him for a talk,
00:07:21calls him to give a statement, he comes, while he is called for a talk
00:07:25to give a statement, boom, arrest. You go to the courthouse for a talk, arrest.
00:07:28This weekend, something else interesting happens,
00:07:32suddenly, what happens?
00:07:36For Zekeriya Öz, 8 years passed, statute of limitations came. Zekeriya
00:07:39Öz and the other Chechen ones,
00:07:42there are other FETOist prosecutors, they said statute of limitations.
00:07:46Oh my God, now you say
00:07:50there is no 15-year statute of limitations for the journalist,
00:07:53you said statute of limitations for Zekeriya Öz. The prosecutor's office objected,
00:07:57when it gained a lot of public attention, when it gained public attention,
00:08:01when there was a reaction, they cancelled
00:08:04it. The prosecutor's office objected, they cancelled it. Now let's come to
00:08:08Selahattin Günday. What did Selahattin Günday shoot?
00:08:11March. March 2011.
00:08:14Now, they didn't take the date the footage was shot
00:08:18as a basis. If they did, March 2026, 15 years
00:08:21would have passed. The date the footage was shot was not
00:08:25taken as a basis. The date Kaşif Kozinoğlu died was taken
00:08:28as a basis. My friend, if
00:08:32I committed a crime, let's say, the date
00:08:35I committed the crime is March 2011. No, our
00:08:38judiciary said it's not like that, they took the date he died as a basis.
00:08:44"There is a difference between the death of Kaşif Kozu and the date the footage was shot, the footage you are accusing him of.
00:08:48No, they said it's not like that.
00:08:51Two, they say, now
00:08:54the prosecutor's office gave the IHA footage,
00:08:57IHA, Ihlas News Agency, in the footage,
00:09:01Selahattin Günday, the name is not Demirören, it's Doğan News
00:09:04Agency. There are three things
00:09:08here, one of them is the prosecutor's office."
00:09:12They give the top, Selahattin is in DHA, Doğan News
00:09:15Agency, uh-huh, and even more interestingly,
00:09:19the first one to give the footage was Cihan News Agency. Yes,
00:09:22it's a different one, the first one to give the footage was Cihan News Agency. My
00:09:26friend, how is it
00:09:28that instead of March 2011, you don't take
00:09:32March 2011, which you said was the date the footage was shot,
00:09:35as a basis? When do you take it? You take
00:09:38the date Kaşif Kozunoğlu died as a basis. This way, you remove
00:09:43the 15-year statute of limitations. The general regulation
00:09:46regarding MIT was made in 2014.
00:09:49In 2014, that is, 3 years later,
00:09:53you apply the regulation made 3 years later to an event that happened 3 years ago.
00:09:57For example, let's say, let's say,
00:10:00it was forbidden for white cars
00:10:02to be on the road. Well, in 2025,
00:10:06you wouldn't be able to arrest someone who drove a white car in 2025,
00:10:10even if you removed white cars from traffic now,
00:10:12because at that time, white cars were allowed. So why
00:10:16would you arrest them? Now, the MIT law
00:10:19was regulated in 2014.
00:10:22Uh-huh. The event
00:10:26you attribute to Selahattin Günday
00:10:29is 2011. Plus,
00:10:32I repeat, you're not using March 2011,
00:10:35you're using the date he died, November 2011.
00:10:38Two, you gave
00:10:40IHA, you're giving the first IHA footage, the man says
00:10:44he was in DHA, plus you're saying that the first footage
00:10:48was shot by Cihan anyway. At that time, Cihan News Agency even
00:10:51boasted about shooting this footage.
00:10:54Of course, but you arrested
00:10:57Selahattin Günday. Now come to Ekrem İmamoğlu's
00:11:00case, come on, tell me. He gave two acquittals.
00:11:03The appeals court said, his statement was not taken. You call him to take the defendant's statement.
00:11:07So the defendant was acquitted again. Then the judge changes,
00:11:10you call him. You give a sentence, you give a political ban.
00:11:14What kind of situation have we come to, what are we experiencing?
00:11:17Now, of course, when
00:11:20Kozinoğlu first
00:11:24faced this death, we were also journalists and we were following
00:11:27it. Kozinoğlu served for 34 years, 17 of which were in MIT, so he has a very long service
00:11:31period, a state duty, and before that, he was in the Special Forces Command, he also worked with Hakan Fidan for a period.
00:11:35We followed that too. Now I'm also following the discussion closely, but I can't
00:11:38figure out, I mean, a lot of information comes to us, what I can't figure out is
00:11:41why now and what they are aiming for, what
00:11:45they want to do, this is very vague and not at all clear.
00:11:4917 years,
00:11:52approximately the last
00:11:5510
00:11:59years he worked with Hakan
00:12:02Fidan. He was in MIT for 17 years, and his own
00:12:05personnel died in such a way. It was controversial even then,
00:12:09when he died, his family brought this issue
00:12:13to the agenda. From the day he died, it was a controversial
00:12:16issue, his death. We already know the situation after Ergenekon.
00:12:19Yes, but MIT at that time, the current Minister of Foreign Affairs,
00:12:23did not make a statement at that time. No
00:12:26information was given about this. In fact, after July 15, this did not come to the agenda,
00:12:30it was not brought to the agenda before the statute of limitations expired. After the conspiracy,
00:12:33yes, the Ergenekon issue became very controversial.
00:12:37It came to the agenda then, it didn't, it wasn't pursued, but now strangely,
00:12:40by mixing everything up, without fully understanding what is what,
00:12:44a mess is put forward, and we have to
00:12:48sift through it. It's not just the Kozinoğlu case,
00:12:52several cases are constantly brought to the agenda
00:12:55in a similar way, debated, and
00:12:58something is shaped around it. I think
00:13:02we will see this issue more clearly in a few months. That is,
00:13:05this is not a great thing, it's not
00:13:09a "clean hands" operation or an exoneration regarding what the judiciary
00:13:12experienced at that time, because those names
00:13:15were there, many stood out then, nothing is being done about that, not all
00:13:19of them are FETO, it's as if all the evils of that period
00:13:23will now be attributed to FETO, whose existence or non-existence is not debated,
00:13:26and a serious exoneration will take place from there,
00:13:30it seems to me. That's why the government
00:13:33at that time was the same government, that is, the currently ongoing
00:13:36government was also in power at that time. Some names were in office,
00:13:40at the head of institutions, the same names were there. In fact, there are ministers
00:13:43today who were in different institutions at that time,
00:13:46but instead of going into those matters, something else is being done. From
00:13:49that perspective, several different questions need to be asked. That is, not just
00:13:53how Kozinoğlu died,
00:13:57why he died, whether he was killed or not, but perhaps
00:14:00who initiated the case, yes, I mean, now
00:14:04why did it start, how is it being conducted, we need to increase the questions
00:14:08about this a bit, at least an account
00:14:10named Esmar, an account using this name,
00:14:14made it. For years, the family
00:14:16has presented much more serious allegations
00:14:20with documents, with their lawyers.
00:14:23It is very important for us
00:14:38to know, but I am worried
00:14:42that we will not understand, we will not learn. That is,
00:14:45we will be killed, or it will be transferred to some people. That is,
00:14:48they might have done it, or perhaps they did, but why
00:14:52it was protected until now and covered up.
00:14:57I think it will be covered up. That is, while they are showing us something,
00:15:00on the other hand, they are actually
00:15:03covering it up. Why did you fall into such
00:15:07a thing? I look at all the cases,
00:15:10the things that happened in Tunceli, the Uğur Mumcu case, etc., Gülüstan
00:15:13Doku, 6 waves of operations were carried out. On the one hand,
00:15:17they are giving up on what they can give up on, creating an image of clean hands,
00:15:20etc. We don't get much result there either. But it shows.
00:15:23The
00:15:37detentions are also made in relation to that.
00:15:40I think that the upcoming period
00:15:44will again be
00:15:47functional. That is, there is a search for an enemy, etc.,
00:15:51FETO, etc., will be a part of politics. I think
00:15:54it will be set up before us as a living entity in these cases.
00:15:57That is, it has a political goal. If it were otherwise,
00:16:01we would really be talking about something else today. I mean, this case is not just
00:16:04the Kozinoğlu matter. There, it was also done by
00:16:07a FETO member, and Samanyolu TV was also making similar
00:16:10series at that time. And we were following Samanyolu's
00:16:14Kurtlar Vadisi to see who would be targeted, what kind
00:16:18of thing it would be. Can you tell us a bit about it? Two days before the series, such
00:16:21a scene, a character named Kazım Kaşifoğlu
00:16:24is killed in prison. Two days later,
00:16:27Kaşif Kozinoğlu, a very similar figure.
00:16:31There was Yalçın Küçük in a series, there was a Yalçın Küçük figure, and
00:16:35there were situations where he was arrested.
00:16:37You would learn about it from the series, etc. There is the situation in Syria, for example.
00:16:41Yes, it's very clear that there was an intelligence connection, or
00:16:45if the Fethullah Gülen Community, FETO community, was so
00:16:48strong there at that time, it seems like the writers of the script
00:16:51had such an exchange of ideas, or a piece from the police.
00:16:54That is, even these names in the series, yes,
00:16:58when you list many events that happened in the series one after another,
00:17:02it fills a page, you can fill a page.
00:17:05The fact that it was shown, and then a sudden death
00:17:09actually occurred, the character Kazım Kaşifoğlu died
00:17:12in the series, so there was a very clear target, they were using similar
00:17:15names, there were detentions, arrests,
00:17:18operations, but of course, a death and such
00:17:22a murder case occurring and being
00:17:25filmed afterwards was
00:17:28very interesting. This issue was also debated
00:17:32at that time, but the story
00:17:35is that at that time, the current government didn't care much.
00:17:38It didn't allow this to be debated, on the contrary, there was something
00:17:41designed to cover this discussion,
00:17:44yes, to close this discussion. Come on, you were
00:17:48the prosecutor of the case, that's how Erdoğan expressed it, right?
00:17:51He says he was the prosecutor of the Ergenekon case,
00:17:55but July 15 happened. Why didn't you do these things
00:17:58after July 15, and why now? Now,
00:18:01I think 10 years after
00:18:03the coup attempt,
00:18:06these places need to be debated a bit, and we need to look at it from here,
00:18:09what is being tried to be done through the Ministry of Justice, we need to look at everything
00:18:13that happens in the judiciary a bit totally. It's as if there is a political
00:18:17thing, a framework
00:18:20has been drawn, İmamoğlu is also within this,
00:18:24these latest cases are also somewhat dragging us towards a total place. I have
00:18:28a feeling inside, or I interpret what I see that way. That's why I don't
00:18:32really see a "clean hands" operation or
00:18:35perpetrators from here. Yes, such
00:18:39files are specially selected. There are dozens of unsolved murders.
00:18:43Every Saturday,
00:18:46the mothers come out there. If we're going to look, those are also unsolved murders, let's look at those. But
00:18:50very specially selected,
00:18:53things that can also be PR are selected and directed somewhere. For example,
00:18:57the last journalist arrested is strange, but
00:19:01we had experienced this every time before, we are experiencing similar
00:19:05things again. That is, at the same time, an academician
00:19:09was being arrested and Veli Küçük was being arrested
00:19:12in the same case. We can see that we have experienced
00:19:16similarities in the past. Now, for example, I cannot understand some
00:19:19things. Really,
00:19:23I have a problem with establishing logical connections
00:19:27with what society is experiencing right now, it's clear, it's normal.
00:19:31I have a problem, a logical problem. For example, I think of myself
00:19:34as a normal citizen. But sometimes I think, I must
00:19:37not be normal. For example, what comes to my mind is the
00:19:41Ahbap case. Now what are they doing?
00:19:45They are questioning those who praised Haluk
00:19:48Levent, those who wrote praising words about him,
00:19:52they are taking them in, etc., etc. Now I say,
00:19:55my friend, did you question
00:19:58those who gave permission to Ahbap to collect money in 2017?
00:20:02Did you question those who were supposed to supervise
00:20:05Ahbap from 2017 until now?
00:20:07Now, if you had supervised Ahbap, if you had done
00:20:11your supervision duty properly and told the public that this man is a trickster,
00:20:15a swindler, and if you had cancelled his
00:20:18permission to collect money, then,
00:20:22then if there was someone praising him,
00:20:25you could blame him, or if you had noticed this before. Now what happened?
00:20:28You even had Emine Erdoğan give an award
00:20:32to Ahbap, Haluk Levent, the award given by the Ministry of Culture,
00:20:36Emine Erdoğan.
00:20:40It is actually Mrs. Emine Erdoğan who is put in a difficult situation there.
00:20:44Emine Erdoğan is put in a difficult situation. Now,
00:20:46you are not doing anything to those who gave permission and
00:20:50those who should have supervised. There is nothing in sight.
00:20:53You are questioning those who praised Ahbap
00:20:56after the earthquake, saying you did its PR. I turn
00:21:00back, you say
00:21:02in the Ekrem İmamoğlu IBB
00:21:04case,
00:21:07that there is 170 billion liras of corruption.
00:21:10You haven't been able to find a single kuruş
00:21:13of this money. A single kuruş. This is 170 billion, this
00:21:17money is not a small amount.
00:21:20"You dug up Ekrem İmamoğlu's father's house, here and there, you found potatoes
00:21:24and onions, you didn't find money, you found potatoes and onions.
00:21:27This time, you turn around and say,
00:21:31'They smuggled this money abroad
00:21:34with Murat Gül İbrahimoğlu's private jet.'
00:21:38Okay, not just once,
00:21:41I'll continue, let's say they smuggled it
00:21:4550 times. Okay,
00:21:47any citizen leaving the country will not be allowed
00:21:57to leave Turkey and will not be allowed
00:21:59to enter the country they go to.
00:22:01So if you took this money and went to England
00:22:05or Germany, they would say, 'What is this money?' and arrest you
00:22:08there. Now, when you say
00:22:12this argument, what will you say then? You have to
00:22:15have done something to the customs officers, civil
00:22:18aviation, and police at customs if you are saying this.
00:22:22It means that if the customs officers,
00:22:25the police, the customs officers, and
00:22:28civil aviation allowed Murat Gül
00:22:31İbrahimoğlu to put millions of dollars in his plane and smuggle it out of Turkey,
00:22:35then those people are guilty.
00:22:38Did you turn a blind eye, or did you conduct an operation, or did you contact
00:22:41the other country, or did the other country, that's the second leg.
00:22:45I'm asking about the first leg. Prosecutor, did you conduct
00:22:48an operation against the police at customs, customs officers, civil
00:22:51aviation, saying, 'How did you turn a blind eye
00:22:55to this man smuggling money?' No, there is nothing.
00:22:58But you come to me
00:23:01and tell the public that Muratgül İbrahimoğlu smuggled 400 million dollars.
00:23:04Someone named Abdülkadir Selvi also writes a column about this.
00:23:08I am surprised.
00:23:12I turn to society.
00:23:15Now in the Selahattin Günday, Kaşif Kozunoğlu
00:23:18case. Let Kaşif Kozunoğlu
00:23:21be investigated, he really needs to be questioned
00:23:24as you said. Well, those who have not investigated
00:23:27this for 15 years,
00:23:29those who have not asked
00:23:31this, whoever has not
00:23:35taken any action on this suspicion, let's say it happened,
00:23:39let's not say it happened. Let's say that until July 15,
00:23:42the FETO members you placed were still influential.
00:23:46Well, whoever didn't do this after July 15, all the
00:23:50public officials, all the blame is now put
00:23:53on Selahattin
00:23:54Günday.
00:23:57I can't understand, professor, my brain is not working. Was there an arrest?
00:24:01Yes, I think in those, was it a guard?
00:24:04One of them? Okay,
00:24:07there are things like that, but where are the institutions that should
00:24:10have really pursued this? Why didn't those institutions
00:24:13pursue it? Anyway, the screenwriter gave a statement,
00:24:16he was called to testify. Meanwhile, Bakırköy Chief Public Prosecutor's Office
00:24:20objected to the decision of non-prosecution given for FETO fugitives, former prosecutors
00:24:23Zekeriya Öz, Cihan Kansız, and Mehmet Yüzgeç, on the grounds that
00:24:27the statute of limitations had expired. Bakırköy Chief Public
00:24:30Prosecutor's Office is objecting, and the objection is being reviewed by the Istanbul Anatolian
00:24:3426th High Criminal Court. The
00:24:3611th High Criminal Court
00:24:39decided to send
00:24:42the file back, meaning the non-prosecution part
00:24:46is lifted. The non-prosecution
00:24:49decision is not entered into that process,
00:24:52so a statute of limitations will not be applied.
00:24:55The process continues, but they have been fugitives for how many years?
00:24:59These are the prosecutors who were once rolled out the red carpet.
00:25:02You cannot prevent this just with this decision.
00:25:06Sooner or later, a statute of limitations process is currently underway. Have they attached
00:25:09another file to it? You need to find something else.
00:25:12That is, this is a crime against the people, against humanity,
00:25:16there is no statute of limitations. You need to open another case
00:25:20of a different kind. Otherwise, sooner or later, legally, the concept of statute of limitations
00:25:23exists and is in effect. It's about how
00:25:27you see it and what kind of application you will make.
00:25:31Otherwise, Zekeriya Öz also has a case,
00:25:34and as long as he is not caught and no new file is opened,
00:25:38it will enter the statute of limitations after a certain stage.
00:25:41Uh-huh. By the way, you mentioned Gülüstan Doku, a new wave
00:25:45occurred in that investigation, the 6th wave
00:25:48operation. A simultaneous operation in 7 provinces targeting a suspect,
00:25:52but in this operation, there are also police officers who are currently on duty
00:25:55and who have served before. That is, among the names to be detained
00:25:59are police officers, retired ones, those who have served before,
00:26:03and those who are currently on duty. Now, while watching
00:26:06all these developments, Nagihan Alçı,
00:26:10the MHP leader, Chairman Devlet
00:26:12Bahçeli and Mr. Bahçeli conveyed the notes of his
00:26:15meeting. In that meeting,
00:26:19MHP leader Bahçeli stated that a
00:26:22house was built for Öcalan on Imralı Island, with a garden in front, offering humane
00:26:26living conditions and a comfortable place.
00:26:30He conveyed that the house
00:26:33could be lived in in a way that suits the normal flow of life, but
00:26:37Öcalan did not move into this house because
00:26:40he asked "why me?". Nagihan Alçı said he wants status.
00:26:44This issue of
00:26:48peace and the peace process was
00:26:51brought up by MHP leader Mr. Bahçeli, about giving a status to Öcalan
00:26:54and letting him lead this process with this status.
00:26:57In fact, it was brought up by MHP leader Mr. Bahçeli. In fact,
00:27:01again, a group
00:27:10made a statement and said that administrative buildings are being constructed there, and those buildings are meant,
00:27:14this is not the construction of a special house, a villa, a livable place,
00:27:18he said. However,
00:27:21of course, the discussion grew and grew,
00:27:24and this topic was at the center of the discussion this
00:27:28weekend. People, of course, made comparisons.
00:27:31This villa, new house, house with a garden
00:27:35became quite a hot topic. How did you view those discussions?
00:27:38In fact, the government
00:27:41is happy to carry out the process with Öcalan,
00:27:44only the public is not happy, and it is struggling to carry out
00:27:48both at the same time. That is, the people
00:27:52are not convinced about the relationship with Öcalan, but the government also knows
00:27:55that if we continue this relationship with Öcalan,
00:27:59we will solve the issue more easily, it is stated. The critical thing here, I think,
00:28:02is that the house. There are how many prisoners there? I think there are 4 or 5
00:28:06prisoners. It's a huge island. How many administrative buildings
00:28:10will you build, or what is the need for so many administrative buildings? Probably
00:28:14for Öcalan to receive guests and chat, because
00:28:18what is expected with this status is
00:28:21the opening of dialogue, the increase of visits,
00:28:25and the removal of obstacles
00:28:27in this regard. The upcoming process, if it does not get stuck,
00:28:31if there are no very interesting things in Syria, will go in this direction, meaning Öcalan
00:28:34will be given the de facto authority to manage the process,
00:28:38even if he is not officially given such a status.
00:28:41There are even talks like, a new party will be established in March,
00:28:45and this party will be a political party whose framework
00:28:48is outlined by Öcalan, or even
00:28:52who will be the managers. There are discussions that it will be a political party.
00:28:55Why is there a need for such a party? Because a party that will
00:28:59carry out the new process. So, DEM,
00:29:15will continue as Turkey's party or the peace process's party.
00:29:19Öcalan's minutes, what
00:29:22he wrote on February 28, 2025,
00:29:25etc., are somewhat close to the framework
00:29:28that Bahçeli and Erdoğan drew on the Middle East equation.
00:29:32As "that idea gets closer, they
00:29:34want to carry out this issue with Öcalan.
00:29:38But, of course, if such a dialogue is to take place, Öcalan also needs
00:29:41to be a little comfortable, meaning his
00:29:44conditions need to improve. This house issue is also a bit like that, but he hasn't moved in. He wants status,
00:29:47sir. This is what
00:29:51we talked about after the last minutes.
00:29:54In the law, the things that will be corrected under certain headings
00:29:58are, for Öcalan, especially the issue of
00:30:01harmony, the issue of persuasion." To give Öcalan a role,
00:30:04there will be such a status. I don't know if it will be written in
00:30:08the book or on paper, or if it will become a law,
00:30:12but I think this status will be given de facto, because
00:30:15otherwise it will be difficult to carry out the process with Öcalan.
00:30:19That is, people will come and go, talk,
00:30:23create an agenda, set the agenda,
00:30:26persuade society. If you don't want to do this with Demirtaş or
00:30:30with such figures, then it's difficult.
00:30:34çünkü bu fikrin bir şekilde ikna edilmesi gerekiyor yani Kürt
00:30:38seçim terörsüz Türkiye sürecinde bu normal de insanlar tabii
00:30:42yani terör bitsin silahlar
00:30:45sussun barış olsun diyenler e burada
00:30:49biraz böyle bir ama bu bu kadar
00:30:51da küçük e tırnak içinde küçük sorunları yaşamak
00:30:55zorundasınız evet hiçbir şey vermeden de eee her
00:30:59şeyi almak çok zor ayrıca eee sonuç. şunu da
00:31:02görmek lazım burada kar zarar hesabı yapıyor Erdoğan
00:31:05e rejim eee şöyle bir
00:31:09şey sonucuna ulaşıyor bakın bir buçuk 2 yıldır 1
00:31:12Ekim'den bu yana değil mi 2 yıl oldu 1 ekimden bu yana
00:31:16Kürt siyaseti muhalefetten uzaklaştı, daha ortada,
00:31:19hatta zaman zaman iktidarla daha yakın ilişkiler eee kuran bir noktaya
00:31:23geldi. Ortadoğu'da geliştikçe bu daha
00:31:26tahkim ediliyor eee önümüzdeki seçimde
00:31:29eee kaba haliyle belki de bağımsız hani muhalefet cephesinde
00:31:33olmayan eee bağımsız bir Kürt siyaseti göreceğiz, oradan
00:31:37mümkün olduğu kadar seçmeni koparabilirse kar
00:31:40olarak gözüküyor. Aynı şeyi CHP içinde %4'lük beşlik
00:31:44bir kesimi. "orada muhalefetten koparabilirse da kar
00:31:48olarak gözüküyor, zaten Erdoğan şöyle düşünüyor, benim cebimde
00:31:51%40 var, onun üzerine ne koyarsam seçilme şansım
00:31:55kadar artar diye bunun hesapları yapılıyor, yani tüm bu sürece
00:31:59aslında eee iktidarın bir kez daha Erdoğan'la ya
00:32:02eee Erdoğan Bahçeli ikilisinde kalması
00:32:05için yapılıyor, öyle de bir zemin yani onun için de bir ev
00:32:08yapılması ve biraz tartışılması çok
00:32:11sorun değil ya da bu sorunu azından göğüsleyecek eee bir'.
00:32:27hatta sizin dediğiniz o parti terörsüz Türkiye sürecinde yeni bir parti kurulma
00:32:30eee yani sürecine ya da böyle
00:32:33iddialara, böyle haberlere, böyle beklentilere
00:32:37de uygun bir isim bu, uyarı süreci ve siyasallaşma
00:32:40koordinatörlüğülan
00:32:43sanırım demokratik toplum ve cumhuriyet. partiye cumhuriyet hareketi diye bir şey
00:32:47söylüyor eee tutanaklarda azından böyle ifade etti yeni
00:32:50partinin eee adını eee biraz da bu
00:32:54yeni cumhuriyet eee kurulacak bu cumhuriyetin ana
00:32:57omurgalarından biri ana kolonlarından biri biz olacağız diye ifade etmişti
00:33:01yine tutanaklarda okuduğumuz kadarıyla işte en az
00:33:04Bahçeli'nin MHP'si kadar biz de ana kolan olacağız diye ifade
00:33:07etmişti ve bunlar konuşulduğu bir masada eee
00:33:11evin biraz konforlu olmasında yani onu
00:33:14eee halletmeleri gerekiyor ya da halledecek oradaki
00:33:17hikaye bence statü ve hani ev işin biraz
00:33:21magazin kısmı belki oradaki şey esas
00:33:24eee Öcalan ne kadar devreye girecek ne kadar
00:33:28etkili olacak ve bunun sonucunda nasıl bir milli güvenlik
00:33:31kurulu bu silahların bırakıldığını ve tamamen lav
00:33:34edildiğini örgütün onaylayacak mı? evet çünkü çerçeve yasanın
00:33:38uygulanması onaydan sonra olacak orada
00:33:41itiraz var sanırım bugün eee yeni yaşam.
00:33:45da yani Kürt siyasetine yakın basın organların da özellikle
00:33:47eee silahların bırakılması ve MGK
00:33:51bütün yetkinin Erdoğan etrafında yani Milli Güvenlik
00:33:55Kurulu deniyor ama sonuçta Erdoğan imzası oraya doğru
00:33:59sıkışmasına da bir itiraz var ilerlemiyor diye bu tür şeyleri
00:34:02yaşayacağız eee ama ben nihayetinde seçime kadar
00:34:05eee ilişkinin devam edeceğini düşünüyorum yani bir
00:34:09eee 28 ilk çözüm sürecindeki gibi masayı
00:34:12Dolmabahçede olduğu gibi masayı dağıtma. değil tam
00:34:16tersi ilişkinin devam ettiği, yeni anayasanın tartışıldığı yeni
00:34:19bir eee dönemin eee başladı ve
00:34:22devam edeceğini düşünüyorum yani o ilişki kopmaz ama Denparti de
00:34:26söylüyor ya yani Barış böyle tek bir eee koldan
00:34:29gelmiyor, bir yandan bu yargılamaları görüyorsunuz,
00:34:32kararları görüyorsunuz, tutuklamaları görüyorsunuz, işte bir
00:34:36yandan eee insanların yaşadığı sıkıntıları görüyorsunuz, bir
00:34:39yandan da bu haberler geldiği zaman hani Barış böyle
00:34:43mi sorusu sormakta da.
00:34:45olmazlar tabii yani demokrasisiz bir barış
00:34:49yani tabii e Kürt sorunu çözülmüş mü olur
00:34:52bilmiyorum PKK sorunu da çözülmüş olabilir evet ikna
00:34:55etmez özellikle büyük kentlerde yaşayan Kürtlerle Türklerin
00:34:59ya da diğer kimlikleri de eee çok rahatsız eder
00:35:03yani şimdi sonuçta ben bir
00:35:05Karadenizli bir vatandaş olarak Üsküdar seçmeliyim orada bir
00:35:09sürü kürt de var seçmen ben de Üsküdar seçmeniyim
00:35:13orada yaşananları gördükte. "yani onlar da rahatsız, ben de rahatsızım,
00:35:17bunu eee bu kadar gözümüze soka soka bu
00:35:21kadar haksızlığı üzgünler yani herkes üzgün, büyük
00:35:25bir adaletsizlik var ve bunun yapılabilir
00:35:27olması, bir de hangi görüşte olursanız olun, birlikte
00:35:31iyi yaşayan bir semt orası, eski bir semt, bunun bu
00:35:34biçimiyle yapılabilir olması büyük endişe verici
00:35:37bir şey, yani bu kadar rahat ve ondan sonra da bunun gösterilerin
00:35:41yapılması Türkiye demokrasinin gittiği yeri gösterir." demokratik bir barış çok
00:35:55zor hocam burada iki temel
00:35:58olgu var bir tanesi şu 2023 seçimine
00:36:02giderken iktidarın vatandaşa
00:36:05söylediği bunu bizatihi dedim ya ben çok
00:36:09derin yaşadım iktidara yakın arkadaşlarla
00:36:12tamamen ayrıldım beni terörist ilan.
00:36:32hepsi CHP, HDP, PKK. Formül buydu. Masanın
00:36:36altındaki 7. Evet, 7. üye. Şimdi
00:36:39bizi PKK'lı ilan eden iktidar,
00:36:43yakınları. Bugün topluma bir
00:36:46özür ve yüzleşme borçlu.
00:36:49Niye? Muhalefet gelirse Öcalan'la
00:36:52görüşecek ki muhalefet o dönemde şu argümanı
00:36:55savunuyordu. Biz.
00:36:59teröristlerle değil, biz siyasal
00:37:02muhatapla, siyasetle bu işi çözeceğiz, yani Öcalan'la
00:37:06değil, tabiri caizse Selahattin Demirtaş veya HDP
00:37:10ile bu işi çözeceğiz diyordu muhalefet, iktidar da ne
00:37:14diyordu? Siz teröristi serbest bırakacaksınız, Öcalan'ı,
00:37:18ona ev vereceksiniz, şunu yapacaksınız, bunu yapacaksınız.
00:37:21Şimdi vatandaş Türk halkı neyle oy verdi,
00:37:25iktidara bu argümanları. da düşünerek oy
00:37:28verdi, yani iktidar ne diyorsa
00:37:32o zaman muhalefeti neyle suçluyor, suçladıysa şu
00:37:35anda daha fazlasını, yani Öcalan'a villa verecek
00:37:38kadar, iyi de bunu sembolize ediyorum
00:37:42biraz, niye sembolize ediyorum, terörsüz
00:37:46Türkiye'nin sürmesi için cümle arasında geçti, Yaşar
00:37:49Aydın çok önemli şeyler söyledi, yani demokrasiyi
00:37:52yaymadan çözemezsin terörsüz Türkiye'yi,
00:37:55çözemezsin, bunu bilmesi.
00:37:57lazım onun için ben bu şu anda yaptıklarını Kürtlerin oylarını
00:38:01alalım, muhalefetten iktidara alalım, olay bitsin, ben böyle
00:38:04görüyorum. Ne, birincisi özür dilemesi,
00:38:08yüzleşmesi lazım, muhalefeti suçladı,
00:38:10iki Üsküdar'da yaşananlar dahil, ya
00:38:14siz Öcalan'a villa
00:38:16verirken
00:38:19Ekrem imamoğlu, bırak onu, bırakın
00:38:21onu, ya Sinem Dedetaş üzerinden
00:38:25söylüyorum, bağışlasınlar. beni siz
00:38:28muhaliflerin kadın olmasına bile bakmıyorsunuz, içeri
00:38:31atıyorsunuz, artı içeriye atılan
00:38:34muhalifler birçoğu
00:38:36katillerin, bilmem nelerin, adi suçların koğuşuna
00:38:40atılıyor, yani süper lig maçlarını bile izleyemiyor, iki tür
00:38:43cezalandırma var, bir ya 12
00:38:46Eylül'ü hatırlayın, darbe döneminde liderler ne yap,
00:38:50tavlo oynuyordu değil mi? evet, şimdi
00:38:53muhalifler kuyu tipine atılıyor, bak
00:38:57kuyu... tipi cezaevine atılıyor, katillerin yanına
00:39:00atılıyor, yani siyasi tutuklu diye siyasi
00:39:03bir şeye atılmıyorlar, adi suçlularla
00:39:07Because this idea needs to be somehow convinced. So in the process of a Turkey without terror for Kurdish
00:39:10elections, this is normal, and people of course,
00:39:14those who say let the terror end,
00:39:17let the weapons fall silent, let there be peace, here
00:39:21it's a bit like this, but you
00:39:24have to experience such "small" problems,
00:39:28yes, without giving anything, it's very difficult to
00:39:31get everything. Also, we need
00:39:34to see that Erdoğan is making a cost-benefit analysis here.
00:39:38The regime
00:39:41comes to this conclusion: Look, for a year and a half, two years,
00:39:44since October 1st, right? It's been two years since October 1st.
00:39:47Kurdish politics moved away from the opposition, it became more neutral,
00:39:50and even at times, it came to a point where it established closer
00:39:54relations with the government. As this develops
00:39:58in the Middle East, it is further strengthened.
00:40:01In the upcoming election, roughly speaking, we might even
00:40:04see an independent Kurdish politics that is not on the opposition front.
00:40:08If they can detach as many voters as possible from there,
00:40:11it looks like a gain. The same thing applies to the 4-5% segment within the CHP.
00:40:15"If he can separate them from the opposition,
00:40:18it also looks like a gain. Erdoğan already thinks, I have 40%
00:40:21in my pocket,
00:40:23how much more I add to it
00:40:25increases my chances of being elected.
00:40:28These calculations are being made. So, this whole process is actually
00:40:31being done for the government to remain in the Erdoğan-Bahçeli
00:40:34duo once again. And such a groundwork,
00:40:38building a house for him and discussing it a bit
00:40:41is not a big problem, or at least
00:40:45there is a new party in the process of a terror-free Turkey, which you mentioned,
00:40:48the establishment of a new party.
00:40:51This name is also suitable for the process
00:40:55or such claims, such news, such expectations.
00:41:14The warning process and the coordinator of politicization, Öcalan
00:41:17probably says "democratic society and republic". The party is called "republic movement,"
00:41:21he says in the minutes, at least he stated it that way.
00:41:25He also mentioned the name of the new party
00:41:29and said that this new republic will be established,
00:41:32and we will be one of its main pillars, one of its main columns, as much as
00:41:35we read in the minutes. He had said that we will be a main
00:41:39column as much as Bahçeli's MHP, and these were discussed
00:41:42at a table. So, the house being a bit comfortable,
00:41:46they need to sort that out
00:41:50or they will sort it out. The story
00:41:52there, I think, is about status, and the house is perhaps
00:41:56the sensational part. The main thing
00:41:59is how much Öcalan will get involved,
00:42:02how effective he will be, and as a result, will
00:42:05a National Security Council approve that the weapons are laid down
00:42:08and the organization is completely disbanded?
00:42:19Yes, because the implementation of the framework law will
00:42:23be after approval. There is an objection there, I think,
00:42:26today. Even in "Yeni Yaşam" (New Life),
00:42:30which is a media organ close to Kurdish politics, there is an objection
00:42:33to the weapons being laid down and the NSC giving all authority around Erdoğan,
00:42:37meaning the National Security Council, but in the end, Erdoğan's
00:42:40signature, this kind of narrowing is also objected to.
00:42:43These things are not progressing, but I think
00:42:47the relationship will continue until the election.
00:42:50So, it will not be like in the first peace
00:42:53process of 28, breaking up the table like in Dolmabahçe.
00:42:57On the contrary, I think the relationship will continue,
00:43:00a new era
00:43:03has begun where the new constitution is being discussed, and it will continue. That relationship
00:43:07will not be broken, but the DEM Party also
00:43:10says that peace does not come from just one
00:43:13direction. On the one hand, you see these trials,
00:43:16you see the decisions, you see the arrests. On the other hand,
00:43:19you see the difficulties people face, and on the other hand, when this news
00:43:22comes, people ask if this is peace.
00:43:25It wouldn't be right, of course. Peace without democracy,
00:43:28that is, I don't know if the Kurdish issue would be resolved. The PKK issue
00:43:32might also be resolved. Yes, it doesn't convince, especially the Kurds living in big cities
00:43:36and Turks or other identities.
00:43:48It would disturb There is such an image.
00:43:52Özgür Özel also said, "if it were us, we would congratulate him in Rize,
00:43:56wish him success." So, anyway,
00:44:00he and his parents, his parents also wore
00:44:03new party badges. The transition took place as of yesterday.
00:44:07Generally, since we don't often see different transitions,
00:44:10it was noteworthy. Of course, everyone first thought
00:44:14he would join the AK Party, and no one was surprised. Then he said, "I'm starting a new path,
00:44:18I'm joining a new party," and may nothing happen to him.
00:44:21He made a statement. Hopefully, also, the incident
00:44:25in Burdur is very interesting, isn't it? Very interesting.
00:44:28Professor Adem Korkmaz said, "I have been under pressure and anxiety
00:44:31for a year, I want close protection." He says,
00:44:35"the situation is very serious." He says he is being threatened.
00:44:38Who is threatening
00:44:40him? Burdur Governor Tülay Baydar Bilgihan.
00:44:44What's the issue? Digital water meters.
00:44:46Yes. The issue is whether we should
00:44:50switch or not. Professor Adem Korkmaz went to Ankara.
00:44:53The governor prevented the switch and said, "I'll take you." "Did you say that?"
00:44:57"Did you say that to the governor?" He says he didn't deny it.
00:45:01He says, "I am being threatened." A governor-MP dispute,
00:45:04so aren't water meters
00:45:08installed through the municipality? Why is the governor
00:45:11taking this issue so seriously? As a civil administrator,
00:45:15probably yes, but this really shows that elected officials
00:45:19no longer have any value, both in the judiciary
00:45:22and at the palace. They have no value.
00:45:26It's about being close to the palace or ministers. Today,
00:45:30I read a few days ago, one of the biggest complaints
00:45:34of AK Party deputies is not being able to reach ministers,
00:45:37meaning not being able to see ministers in parliament and express their problems.
00:45:41This is not a complaint from an opposition party. But there is an instruction from the President
00:45:45to go door-to-door. MPs will go door-to-door, not ministers.
00:45:48I think MPs cannot go door-to-door either.
00:45:51So, in Turkey today, it is not that easy
00:45:54to go door-to-door as an AK Party member. It's really not
00:45:58easy. I would
00:46:01recommend a few doors to Erdoğan, because there are so many problems.
00:46:05Every time you open a door, you have to face that
00:46:08problem. I haven't seen any AK Party members
00:46:11going door-to-door, even in places where they are strongest. So, it seems that even
00:46:15digital water meters are a problem. Do you pay money for digital water meters,
00:46:18or during the change, I guess a certain amount of
00:46:22money comes out of the citizen's pocket, and as an MP, the citizen
00:46:26applies to the MP, probably to solve this,
00:46:29and the MP ends up having a fight with the governor.
00:46:33Yes. In fact, the threats and tension are going so far as to include
00:46:37a request for close protection. This kind of incident happened,
00:46:41and we witnessed it. Of course, there is one more
00:46:44topic, we don't have much time left, but I'd like to ask. We have
00:46:48two minutes, anyway, let's start, then we'll continue in
00:46:51this time slot. This participation house,
00:46:54Pusula Finance Holding, we will also discuss other economic topics,
00:46:58we will discuss fund matters. A statement
00:47:00came from Mansur Yavaş: "There is torment in separation,
00:47:04and mercy in unity. What happens at the top
00:47:07does not concern us much. We are happy to make our decisions unanimously,"
00:47:11he said. I don't know
00:47:13how you reacted. Here, too, people are divided
00:47:17into two, so to speak. One part says that Mansur Yavaş
00:47:20will no longer be a presidential candidate.
00:47:23They express the opinion that he will not be.
00:47:27One side says he became a stronger presidential candidate.
00:47:31He took a photo side by side with Erdoğan. Another part says
00:47:34"I will join the AK Party." Mr. Yavaş cannot end that discussion. Therefore,
00:47:37with such a chain
00:47:41situation, "what happens at the top doesn't concern us, we are doing our job,
00:47:44we are working for Ankara," he says. Can you give a headline? If you were to, what would you give
00:47:48for this topic? Mansur Yavaş
00:47:53winked at a common candidacy.
00:47:56So, he's everyone's candidate in the opposition, that's how it seems
00:47:59to me. Let's open the wedding here.
00:48:02At the wedding, Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu was at one end,
00:48:06Mr. Özel at the other, they didn't shake
00:48:10hands. So, will
00:48:12a common candidate emerge from this, other than the CHP?
00:48:16I don't think Mansur Yavaş will be a common candidate of the CHP,
00:48:19or a common candidate that the CHP is involved in. The CHP
00:48:23can only support him. So, until the election, I think we will see
00:48:26the CHP in a somewhat different way. As the election
00:48:29approaches, if Kemal Bey's style
00:48:32will be effective, we won't be able
00:48:36to achieve much partnership there. We won't be able to achieve partnership.
00:48:39Yes, but this doesn't mean that Mansur Yavaş won't
00:48:42cooperate with the CHP base. Mansur Yavaş is employing a tactic: without fighting
00:48:46with them, but by declaring his own position. It's not
00:48:49just CHP, Good Party, New Party. The People's
00:48:52Party, Good Party, etc., he's after a broader opposition,
00:48:56even perhaps, it can be talked about, even up to the New Welfare and Felicity Parties,
00:49:00if they won't put forward a candidate, or to get their support in the second round,
00:49:04he's after a broader consensus. He's trying to get his strength from
00:49:07there. But he also sees
00:49:11that aspiring to power today means Silivri, or for Ankara,
00:49:14Sincan. That's why he's not in too much of a hurry.
00:49:17He's going a bit more cautiously. But isn't it very interesting, sir?
00:49:21"Until yesterday, until the other day,
00:49:24the government, those who spoke,
00:49:26let me say those who spoke, on screens were talking about
00:49:30Mansur Yavaş with corruption claims like this and that.
00:49:34All of it stopped when Mansur Yavaş spoke with the President.
00:49:38Oh, Mansur Yavaş, my brother,
00:49:41come to us, come to us! I love
00:49:45this government's transformative
00:49:48power so much. The government's
00:49:52360-degree, 180-degree, 90-degree, whatever,
00:49:56all kinds of transformation ability, capability
00:50:00and exercises are amazing.
00:50:03I mean, yesterday, the person they demonized the most,
00:50:07the next day they can embrace as the most respectable. Or yesterday,
00:50:11the person they embraced as the most respectable, the next day
00:50:15they can declare as the most traitorous, the worst. Their primitive
00:50:18stances, characteristic stances.
00:50:21I just love it. Is it primitive or characteristic?
00:50:25I want our viewers to understand,
00:50:28I mean,
00:50:29I just
00:50:33love it. Okay, a short break, then we will continue.
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01:00:21We continue, we have entered the last
01:00:24hour, we talked about politics, I'm looking
01:00:27at what's missing, well,
01:00:30the opening of Kaşif Kozinoğlu's grave, the screenwriters
01:00:34of Kurtlar Vadisi being called in for testimony, the governor
01:00:38and the deputy clashing in Burdur, the issue
01:00:41being the digital water meter
01:00:43and the deputy's statements of "I am being threatened.
01:00:47I couldn't find peace and quiet. I request close protection" which he made
01:00:51in the digital environment. These statements were made while answering questions.
01:00:55There was a wedding,
01:00:58and politics was discussed from beginning to end at the wedding.
01:01:01Now, there were statements
01:01:04by Bülent Arınç. This was the wedding of Ahmet Davutoğlu's son. Would
01:01:08you like to say something about it? For example, who couldn't attend,
01:01:12who didn't attend, excuse me,
01:01:14who couldn't shake hands? Bülent's comments about
01:01:18applauding and chewing gum really made an impact. Generally,
01:01:22if you headline that too, what would you say? Saral probably
01:01:25responded to Bülent Arınç's
01:01:29words. Saral was disturbed, Oktay Saral, yes,
01:01:32the President's advisor, his advisor, asking "Why are you
01:01:36doing politics at a wedding?" So,
01:01:39at the mosque, Chairman Ergun was in a really tough spot.
01:01:42Ergun Turan was also at the wedding. Politics was discussed on the happy
01:01:46day of the children. But I want to say that I don't agree
01:01:50with most of what was said. Being the child of a politician
01:01:53has this kind of bias too, he said.
01:01:55Yes, it's very normal for those things to be discussed there, but
01:01:59the government side didn't show
01:02:01much interest despite a long relationship, because after
01:02:05those statements
01:02:08it probably became a problem to be in the same category as Davutoğlu.
01:02:11Especially his words that led to an investigation,
01:02:14caused serious trouble within the AKP, that's clear.
01:02:18So they didn't enter that category
01:02:22despite being so close.
01:02:25But it's very normal for those things to be discussed. In Turkey,
01:02:29there's almost no conversation, no gathering
01:02:32that politics isn't involved in. When two people
01:02:36are together, they inevitably talk about either the country's
01:02:38problems or their own problems. And a wedding
01:02:41or a marriage ceremony
01:02:44becomes a stage for that, it's a part of it, and there are many
01:02:48politicians there. Ali Babacan, the leader of the DEVA Party, was there.
01:02:51Mahmut Arıkan, the leader of the Felicity Party, the new party
01:02:54leader Özgür Özel, the CHP leader
01:02:58Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, former politicians,
01:03:01Parliament Speaker Bülent Arınç, etc. Melih Gökçek's matter
01:03:05became quite a topic and subject of criticism. Let me
01:03:08say something. This structure is like a globe, professor.
01:03:11eee
01:03:14When you enter the globe,
01:03:17you instantly become
01:03:20completely clean, instantly
01:03:24shiny, like a bright detergent that makes you sparkling
01:03:27clean and shines you. The moment you step
01:03:31outside that globe, no matter what your shape, form, or thought
01:03:35is, you instantly become a traitor,
01:03:38an enemy, someone else. This is also
01:03:41reflected in the general perspective. I always give the example
01:03:45of the Üsküdar Municipality operation. Amine Cansu Çelik was previously
01:03:48in the AK Party municipal council, she was in the AK Party. Then
01:03:52in 2022, she resigns, turns around,
01:03:56and joins the CHP. An opposition
01:04:00"lady with a headscarf,
01:04:02a mother, no,
01:04:06that is, the sensitivity of the government towards headscarves,
01:04:09towards dress code, etc. exists, right? The moment
01:04:13you step outside that bubble,
01:04:15all of those sensitivities disappear.
01:04:19You are no longer a, how
01:04:22should I say, that world, including
01:04:25the world of belief, you are outside all of them.
01:04:28olursunuz eee. eee
01:04:30You begin to be seen not as a person to struggle
01:04:34with, but as an enemy
01:04:37to struggle against. You no longer appear
01:04:41as a normal person, you appear as something else,
01:04:45they see something else, believe me.
01:04:47Our view of the opposition is always like this.
01:04:50The arrests, for example,
01:04:54whether it's Sinem Dedeştaş or Fatma Kaplan Hürriyet,
01:04:57or Amine, in those arrests,
01:05:01they don't look at them as a mother or anything like that.
01:05:05It doesn't happen that way. When you step outside the bubble,
01:05:09you transform into another entity that needs
01:05:12to be fought. And that struggle is not
01:05:16a democratic competition. This is
01:05:19a different field of struggle. That's why when there's a cause
01:05:23within a cause, if you've fought within the struggle
01:05:27of that cause, many things that are forbidden
01:05:30become permissible.
01:05:34Even many forbidden things can become lawful.
01:05:37The thing changes, the atmosphere changes.
01:05:40That's why you Davutoğlu's son's wedding,
01:05:44not Davutoğlu's wedding, but his son's wedding. Going to his son's wedding,
01:05:48and saying, "Oh, this was
01:05:51our former Prime Minister, who got 49.5% of the votes,"
01:05:54all of these are stories. He has stepped
01:05:58outside the bubble now. He has become something else,
01:06:02he has transformed into a different person,
01:06:05he has become something that needs to be fought for the cause.
01:06:08That's why they called Davutoğlu in for testimony. I mean,
01:06:12why did the prosecutor call him in for testimony
01:06:15after 5 years? Imagine a speech, and you are called in
01:06:18for testimony 5 years later.
01:06:21Meanwhile, President Erdoğan
01:06:24also received an invitation, but the invitation was delivered
01:06:28before this testimony. Therefore, such an invitation
01:06:31to the wedding was also extended to the President.
01:06:35Let's also mention that, but there weren't many AK Party members
01:06:38there from the past, I mean, those currently continuing the process.
01:06:42By the way, there was a dance event
01:06:45with the Vanlı Kara Haydar, and he said
01:06:48he rented the gold from the jeweler.
01:06:51The gold was found in a suitcase
01:06:55in a woodshed in a house.
01:06:57Çağla Öz, that is, his job, was also
01:07:01taken into custody. So there was gold, belts, chains,
01:07:04bracelets, etc., put into a suitcase
01:07:07and transferred
01:07:09there. Now, Kerim Rota is with us, a financial
01:07:13expert. Welcome to our broadcast.
01:07:16Thank you, Ebru Hanım, İbrahim hocam, hello
01:07:19everyone. Hello. Now, I have three guests.
01:07:22Financial expert Kerim Rota, İbrahim Kahveci, and
01:07:26Birgün Newspaper Editor-in-Chief Yaşar Aydın. Now,
01:07:28who can explain
01:07:32this fund issue to us? We said Kerim Rota, as a financial
01:07:35expert, would explain it. I'll get to that, but
01:07:39before I get to the topic, let me open up the markets
01:07:42and at least tell us something about that, because oil prices approached
01:07:46$108. There's an expectation of an interest
01:07:49rate hike from the US Central Bank Fed on September 16th, but
01:07:53Trump absolutely doesn't want it. However, US Treasury bonds reached 5%.
01:07:57The Houthis seized Babülmend. The East-West line was closed
01:08:00by Saudi Arabia. There's already a crisis in Hormuz.
01:08:03Trump says, "Maybe we'll end the war until the midterms, but
01:08:07then the war will end." Arguments about whether Trump is making fun
01:08:11of us are being made. Amid this, oil prices are $108.
01:08:15There's an expectation of an interest rate hike from the Fed. US
01:08:18Treasury bonds are rising, and our deposit rate is falling.
01:08:22Let's note that too. I'll have a question about that. And the stock market
01:08:26started with a 1.5% drop. Katılım Ev
01:08:29shares were already at their floor. They hit
01:08:32their floor at 33 liras. At 14,236 points,
01:08:36we're talking about a 1.6% drop, around a 1.5%
01:08:40drop on average so far. Gold
01:08:43is holding just above $4300. When
01:08:47oil prices rise, we expect new hikes for diesel.
01:08:50Will that hike be 6.62,
01:08:537.60, 7.20, 5, or 6 liras?
01:08:56It will be announced around 4 PM today.
01:09:00This hike is expected to be valid from Tuesday,
01:09:03and it will bring the price of diesel close to
01:09:06100 liras. Now, in such an environment, there are no very
01:09:10bright scenarios for pensions and minimum wage for January.
01:09:14Whatever the inflation difference is, that's it. The minimum
01:09:17wage will get a maximum increase of 25%, slightly exceeding
01:09:2135,000 liras. But life isn't like that. So, the markets are like this.
01:09:25My first question about deposit rates is, what do
01:09:29people do
01:09:32when deposit rates fall? Kerim Bey, yes,
01:09:36Ebru Hanım, all these external factors you mentioned will lead
01:09:39to higher inflation and a widening
01:09:42current account deficit, and
01:09:46further suppression of our growth. And regarding growth,
01:09:49we already had a growth trajectory that had come
01:09:53down to 3% with the latest data.
01:09:57Looking at it this way,
01:09:59on the deposit side, with the Central Bank
01:10:03bringing the effective interest rate to 37,
01:10:06we've seen downward movements.
01:10:09This of course indicates a period where real interest
01:10:13rates are falling but risks are increasing.
01:10:16In such situations, there's generally demand
01:10:20for commodities like gold, even if it's short-term. And stocks with high
01:10:23potential are chosen. But our stock market,
01:10:27as we'll discuss in a moment, has reached a point where
01:10:29I can't really say there are many alternatives for savers.
01:10:33And again, deposit rates
01:10:37that are 5-6 points above the current inflation rate
01:10:40seem to be
01:10:43the only option left.
01:10:47Now, how is this felt in daily life? Let me
01:10:50ask you that. Schools opened today.
01:10:53I would be very happy if you also participated.
01:10:56Before we get to the funds,
01:11:00I have a list. It's a school lunch
01:11:03menu in a public school. So,
01:11:06food is provided in public schools, but
01:11:09it's paid. For only 13 days
01:11:13in September, 3770 liras were paid. In October,
01:11:166090 liras will be paid. In November,
01:11:19it rises to 4640 liras. In December, it rises to 6670 liras.
01:11:23The average of this
01:11:25comes to around 5800 liras, and for 179
01:11:29days, a family will pay a total of 51,910 liras for
01:11:33a child attending elementary school in a public school.
01:11:36If the school is far away, there's a shuttle service.
01:11:39If they want to get a toast, they'll put at least another 3000 liras
01:11:43in their pocket per month. There are pencils,
01:11:45notebooks, bags, etc. There are winter boots and coats.
01:11:49There are sports clothes. There are school uniforms.
01:11:53There are after-school study classes that cost money.
01:11:56After-school study opens, pay money. School is painted, pay money.
01:12:00Toilet paper, tissues, soap
01:12:03will be bought, pay money. For those too, pay 1500-2000. So
01:12:07families are constantly paying money. Fill up
01:12:10the gas, fill up the diesel, and do grocery shopping, pay the rent,
01:12:14pay the bills. And the income is fixed. And you're told
01:12:17not to expect anything other than the inflation difference
01:12:21in January, not to expect much. I chose two products,
01:12:24and I'll give their prices. Let's say you're a working
01:12:28person, and you said, "At least I'll eat chicken," or "I'll buy chicken for dinner."
01:12:32We've moved away from red meat, we'll buy chicken.
01:12:35One of our viewers sent a list. Please look
01:12:38at the list. Chicken has become comparable to meat. Yes, yes,
01:12:42prices are like 400-500. You buy a chicken, you pay around
01:12:46550 liras. Sunflower oil is 100, where is it? Here are the prices.
01:12:49If you give it to me, I'll see it. I can't see it anyway.
01:12:52He made a list.
01:12:56For example, a whole chicken costs over 500 liras,
01:13:00half a chicken is 450 liras. Even kokoreç
01:13:03is over 300 liras. People are eating
01:13:07Adana kofte, that is, meatballs from white meat,
01:13:10wings, Adana, etc. But even those are expensive. You can't
01:13:14even afford white meat. Sunflower oil, which you use every day,
01:13:17is approaching 160 liras. They're trying to live like this.
01:13:20Do you have an answer to the question of how they will live? What
01:13:24will we do now? At the beginning of the program,
01:13:27while reading newspaper headlines, there was something in one newspaper:
01:13:30"We were left without brothers."
01:13:32That was Yeni Şafak.
01:13:35You mentioned a student,
01:13:3851,000 liras just for basic school expenses, this is food expenses.
01:13:42The child will eat at school. So why were we left without
01:13:45brothers? They should look at themselves a bit.
01:13:4810,500 liras just for food in a public school,
01:13:51isn't it? A public school, not a private school. "When you consider
01:13:55all the other things you mentioned, it's a really significant
01:13:59amount. It means a family's entire minimum wage goes just
01:14:02to education. Do you know what the meal was on the first
01:14:06day? Chicken pasta
01:14:08soup, chicken, so again chicken, yes.
01:14:12Another thing, it comes to 290 liras. In these conditions,
01:14:15it's really hard to live. It's very hard to live in big
01:14:18cities. People are trying to get by by borrowing,
01:14:22but that only goes so far. They're cutting back on everything.
01:14:26From the quality of food to the meal portions, everyone
01:14:29says they've reduced it to two meals a day now.
01:14:33This applies to almost everyone. Cinema,
01:14:36television, or eating out, everything has become a luxury
01:14:39in our lives. And this
01:14:41is how we live. I mean, won't these people go to the barber?
01:14:45700 liras. If their combi boiler breaks,
01:14:483000 liras for 3 hours of service. If it stays for 3 hours,
01:14:51service is 3000. If a tile is broken,
01:14:54I asked them to come and lay it. They charge 7-8000 liras a day.
01:14:58If the air conditioner breaks, it's approaching 10,000 liras.
01:15:01Unfortunately, that's how the numbers
01:15:04are. So people are cutting back on everything and trying
01:15:08to live just for these basic needs. That's what they're trying to live for.
01:15:12And we call this living. But just now, Kerim Bey
01:15:15also stated that perhaps the most important
01:15:18result of this will be income inequality. The gap there will widen
01:15:22greatly. So, in this upcoming period, perhaps
01:15:2610 million of the 86 million people in the country are living
01:15:29far above Swiss standards. The remaining
01:15:32are living by Belgian Swiss standards. All the rest of us have
01:15:36become like people living in third-world countries.
01:15:40I've also grown quite old,
01:15:43and we haven't seen anything like this before, we haven't experienced
01:15:47this. This is very clear and true. I took
01:15:51an excerpt from Birgün Newspaper's headline last weekend. In August
01:15:54alone, 15 children under the age of 14 died
01:15:58in work-related accidents. 21 people
01:16:01over 65 years old, so among the elderly,
01:16:04over 1500 people, 1509 people
01:16:08lost their lives. Do you know that 117 of them
01:16:11were over 65? Being retired is not enough,
01:16:14they can't live if they don't work. Many of them die in construction
01:16:18sites, and children also work in this manner.
01:16:21And when we tell children
01:17:00they are trying to earn money, yes, child labor. Also, we work
01:17:03the most, meaning the rate of long-hour workers in Turkey is
01:17:0715.1%. There's quite a distance between
01:17:11us and the nearest country. Look,
01:17:14Colombia works at an average of 14.2%.
01:17:17That means 14.2% of workers work long
01:17:21hours. Ours is 15.1%. For example, in South Korea, this
01:17:25drops to 7.8%, in America
01:17:28to 3.3%, and in Poland to 3.2%.
01:17:31The rate of long-hour workers is very high here.
01:17:34We are world champions in that too. We work a lot,
01:17:38so even if we work long, long hours, we don't get
01:17:41a significant salary difference, a wage difference. They work for that
01:17:453% wage difference in America. That 3% is correct.
01:17:48They work to get good wages, more wages. But such a difference
01:17:51is not created here. There's one more piece of news,
01:17:55then let's move on to the funds. Orta Anadolu Trade and Industry
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01:18:12Mavi, Lee, Diesel. It has decided
01:18:16to close its factories. It closed
01:18:18completely on September 11th.
01:18:21All production facilities
01:18:23will be completely closed by October 12, 2026.
01:18:27Employees were sent on paid leave for one month.
01:18:30Under the Karamancı Holding,
01:18:33then all their rights will be paid, and the factories
01:18:36will be completely closed. It's a large
01:18:40factory, employing 1500 people.
01:18:43Yes, yes, quite a lot in Turkey. But
01:18:46for the past few months, I said, with the disruption
01:18:50of trends from the Far East, some of the textile and apparel
01:18:53orders from Europe are being shifted back to Turkey,
01:18:56but Turkey is very expensive. The exchange
01:19:00rate, the dollar-TL exchange rate, the TL has appreciated
01:19:03too much, so exporters are struggling.
01:19:06Costs. Now, think about it,
01:19:09labor costs on average exceeded
01:19:13$500. This 73-year-old textile giant. The total
01:19:16wage, with the bonus, exceeded $1500. Even the average.
01:19:20He says markets shrunk. Markets are reopening in textile
01:19:24and apparel. In textile and apparel, the Far
01:19:27East, the Strait of Hormuz, the Red Sea. We saw this
01:19:30during the pandemic. A similar situation to the pandemic.
01:19:34After America attacked Iran,
01:19:37"We always talk about risks. I used to say that some opportunities
01:19:41would also arise. The head of TIM said this the other day. Our
01:19:44viewers will remember this. I said this. I have said it
01:19:46many times, there will be opportunities in textile clothing,
01:19:50orders will shift to Turkey, but they also closed these
01:19:53because I said costs are high, so
01:19:57the cost is high, very high cost.
01:20:00Of course, it went to Egypt, professor, 1500 dollars is the wage
01:20:03cost here, 1500 dollars, in Egypt it's 200 dollars."
01:20:07Okay, you can't find the same work in Egypt, but the difference is very
01:20:10high, the world is complex, and
01:20:14it's not clear what Trump will do, the Middle East
01:20:18is tense. The American Central Bank is not
01:20:22in favor of interest rate cuts, it gives the impression of increasing them. GP Morgan and
01:20:25other banks say interest rates will increase.
01:20:29When you look inside, while the markets
01:20:33are like this, our stock market is also complex, our costs are very
01:20:36high. "Will these people pay their dues, pay the bill, send their children
01:20:40to school, pay for their service, buy clothes, in the evening
01:20:43they can't even buy chicken, let alone meat, they go to the evening market.
01:20:47We said these things, we also
01:20:50discussed the prices, if you want to say something here, we'll take it, then
01:20:53I'll move on to the situation of the funds, Kerim Rota.
01:20:56Yes, actually, this program, which is more than 3 years
01:21:00old, under the name of inflation
01:21:03combat program, is actually a financial stability program.
01:21:06It summarizes where the program got stuck,
01:21:10where it got stuck is income justice, inflation, and
01:21:13predominantly the fact that
01:21:17the pressure of interest and
01:21:21wages, which is piled
01:21:23on 85-90% of the society, is not felt much
01:21:27by 10% of the society. When this happens,
01:21:31the program should have been revised
01:21:33and moved to another phase a long time ago, but...
01:21:38It didn't happen, because in between, many political
01:21:41ambitions arose, many aspirations arose.
01:21:44When this happens, it seems that we will enter
01:21:47the next elections with a slightly diluted derivative of this program.
01:21:51But this
01:21:53period between 2023-2027 or 28
01:21:57will, I think, take its place in history
01:22:01as a very unsuccessful program, it will have achieved financial stability.
01:22:04That is, Turkey's risk units, the foreigners'.
01:22:07The job of people keeping their money in the bank
01:22:11will not result in a breakdown
01:22:13in these times. But
01:22:17in other parts, it will be a program that failed.
01:22:21Of course, we will talk about the capital market
01:22:24in terms of financial stability. There are unfortunately
01:22:27some signs that this could also be at risk.
01:22:31Hopefully, no harm will come to that. I will say two
01:22:34more things. Since the beginning of the year, pet has increased by 60%, says Professor Hakan Kara.
01:22:38European natural gas prices also increased by 160% in Euro terms.
01:22:42If there is no easing until the end of the month, natural gas
01:22:46and electricity prices may increase in October, because a 3-month evaluation will be made.
01:22:50Also, we already have revaluation increases in January.
01:22:53And also, the burdens
01:22:57on citizens are not just this much, there is also the tax burden.
01:23:01According to the OVP, an average of 817,324
01:23:04liras of tax is expected per person in 3 years. So...
01:23:08The tax increase is 36.5%, inflation forecast is 21%. So
01:23:12get ready to pay those taxes too. Our troubles are not just one,
01:23:15because we pay for news. Now,
01:23:18a compass finance holding
01:23:21board chairman İsmail Saymaz said he fled abroad
01:23:25to Greece. Things got complicated,
01:23:29then these portfolio
01:23:32companies, these value
01:23:35increases, these revaluations that have been talked
01:23:38about a lot in recent days,
01:23:41eyes were turned to them again. Now,
01:23:44this Pusula also owns Katılım Ev,
01:23:48and also İktisat Bank. It also owns Pusula
01:23:51Portföy, and there were negotiations with Tera
01:23:54for Katılım Ev, with Tera Portföy. Now,
01:23:58on August 28, Katılım Ev's share price was 69 liras.
01:24:02A very good analysis was made in the world of bosses, and I benefited from that analysis.
01:24:05On August 30, Pusula Finance
01:24:09Holding announced that it would buy shares of Katılım Ev up to 10 billion liras.
01:24:13Now it says it will buy shares. On September 3,
01:24:16a purchase of 992 million
01:24:20was made. Then in 4 trading days,
01:24:23a purchase of 2.3 billion was made in 45.3 million shares.
01:24:27Pusula itself didn't make these purchases. So
01:24:30many shares were bought from the stock exchange.
01:24:33On September 8-9, the shares hit rock bottom
01:24:37despite such purchases. The price dropped from 69 liras
01:24:41to 33 liras. Currently, it is around 33 liras and is still trading
01:24:44at the rock bottom price. Then, in this process, sales
01:24:48negotiations with Terra began on September 9. It is announced, first it is said
01:24:52that they will buy Katılım Ev shares up to 10 billion liras on the stock exchange. Then
01:24:552.3 billion liras of purchases are made in 4 days.
01:24:59Pusula Finance Holding does this for 992 million liras.
01:25:02Then the shares hit rock bottom.
01:25:05Then a sales negotiation with Tera
01:25:08begins. On September 10, it is said
01:25:12that an agreement on terms has been reached. On September 12, news spreads
01:25:15that Pusula Portföy chairman Muhammet Yarız went to Greece.
01:25:18He says "I didn't go, I'm in Bodrum, I will give a statement."
01:25:22On September 12, it is alleged that Katılım Ev board chairman Serdar
01:25:25Turhan has a travel ban abroad.
01:25:28It is written and drawn that Serdar Turhan obtained
01:25:31a house residence permit in Greece, bought a house, bought a villa in Dubai,
01:25:35bought a yacht, bought a plane, etc. Then
01:25:38they say
01:25:42negotiations with Tera are continuing for Katılım Ev, there is no problem,
01:25:46this news did not affect these negotiations. That's what is being said. Last night.
01:25:50Even though it's the weekend, Sunday evening, night, yes.
01:25:54Tera says we reached an agreement, Muhammet
01:25:58Yarız and others left, Serdar Turhan also left, I am now
01:26:01the chairman of the board as Emre Tezmen. Therefore,
01:26:04we have also appointed managers. The agreement is complete.
01:26:08Now we are waiting for the approval processes from BDDK, SPK and the Competition
01:26:11Authority. It says the agreement is complete. We don't know what the price is, what kind of agreement it is,
01:26:15what will happen. But it says the agreement
01:26:18has been reached. Therefore, such an announcement is made. So,
01:26:22Katılım Ev starts with a price of 69 liras. Then share purchase, then
01:26:25negotiations with Tera, then a process leading to news that the boss
01:26:29fled. And yesterday's portfolio companies
01:26:32were, of course, debated again by everyone,
01:26:36what will happen here. Of course,
01:26:40there are many questions, how was the agreement with Tera
01:26:42decided, is there another statement to be announced
01:26:46to investors, how did the share hit rock bottom with share purchase, who
01:26:49bought and who sold? These are, of course, questions
01:26:53that need to be asked. Would you say something, let's start with Mr. Kerim,
01:26:57what do you say, please, Ms. Ebru. Instead of summarizing
01:27:01this whole process through one or two brokerage firms
01:27:04or portfolio management companies or participation houses,
01:27:07let me start with this: first of all,
01:27:11there is manipulation in the stock market or, with its new name, the share
01:27:14market and fund market in Turkey. I'm not saying this, Mehmet Şimşek
01:27:18said this on November 3, 2025,
01:27:22at the opening of the Capital Markets Congress. He said
01:27:26there is manipulation here, and they said they would take measures.
01:27:29Appropriate measures
01:27:33came on August 28, 2026. 10 months passed.
01:27:36During these 10 months, funds
01:27:40and some shares
01:27:43that were suspected of being manipulated
01:27:46increased almost 8-10 times.
01:27:51Therefore, their values increased, and the situation grew
01:27:54considerably. So,
01:27:58it became harder to find a solution to this.
01:28:01But the August 28 communique
01:28:04stipulated a process that gradually prevents
01:28:07these actions from being repeated and reduces existing
01:28:11positions. However,
01:28:14there are two important points here. One is October 31, and the other is December 31.
01:28:17The actual unwinding of positions here should have been completed by
01:28:21this date. For Pusula, the story started on August 28.
01:28:24Your calendar also starts on September 3. Investors
01:28:28who knew or guessed what kind of assets
01:28:31were in it, who consciously entered
01:28:35this business, shouldn't be called small investors.
01:28:39Most of the investors started withdrawing their money.
01:28:42Under normal circumstances, when you withdraw your money from a fund,
01:28:45what will happen is that the assets within the fund
01:28:49are sold at a slightly cheaper price, but you get your money. However,
01:28:52here, especially some shares
01:28:55were manipulated so much that when no real
01:28:59buyer could be found for them, some of Pusula's funds
01:29:03started showing negative returns of close to 20-25% daily.
01:29:06It didn't stop there. As of today,
01:29:09a fund that has 100 liras
01:29:12worth of shares has a debt of almost 500 liras,
01:29:16because when no one buys at those prices, they have
01:29:20to use credit, and the situation became inextricable. Of course,
01:29:23with so much damaged
01:29:25reputation, two things are expected.
01:29:29When there was investor outflow from the portfolio
01:29:33fund, there was a shake-up, right? Of course.
01:29:37Let me give you an example. A factoring
01:29:40company that currently has 250 employees
01:29:44has a valuation of 16.7 billion dollars.
01:29:47Tüpraş's value is 16.5 billion dollars. These were
01:29:50closing prices on Friday, today they are roughly the same.
01:29:54Turkey's largest company and a fund have
01:29:57the same value, that's right. And I'm talking
01:30:00about a company that has been included in the list of the 30
01:30:04most valuable companies, which we call BIST 30, by the stock exchange.
01:30:08So, Türk Telekom, Turkcell, public banks, all of them are in the list.
01:30:11It's worth 4 times more than Turkcell.
01:30:15Now, when there's an outflow from a fund that holds
01:30:18the shares of this company, who will buy this company for 15 billion dollars
01:30:22instead of 16 billion dollars, who will buy it for 12 billion dollars,
01:30:26who will buy it for 10 billion dollars, who will buy it for 8 billion, 2 billion
01:30:29dollars? So, a chain forms now, but
01:30:33I'm not talking about a single stock. There's a shipping company with 250
01:30:37employees, 6.5 billion dollars. I'm not naming names, I don't
01:30:40think there's any harm in naming names. Now,
01:30:44there are probably 15-20 such shares
01:30:47and 15-20 funds formed
01:30:51in Turkey. And actually, Article
01:30:55107/1 of the Capital Markets Law considers artificial
01:30:59market price formation and artificial price formation in the market
01:31:04as a crime. But during these 10 months, and before that, and
01:31:07still, the CMB has not filed any criminal complaint
01:31:10about this. It only made regulations to solve
01:31:13this and to ensure that it is not repeated.
01:31:17And while making these regulations, it took very restrictive
01:31:21decisions regarding these types of free
01:31:24funds. And actually, it imposed significant financial and human
01:31:28resources burdens on portfolio management companies
01:31:31that do their job properly and companies that do their job properly.
01:31:34So, it clearly gave the message that "I know what happened,
01:31:38but I cannot legally deal with those who did it."
01:31:41But since the issue grew so much and they probably
01:31:44saw the risk of it shaking financial stability, they felt the need
01:31:48to take a precaution. Excuse me, professor, I apologize, the management
01:31:52of the Tera group did not change, Pusula's management changed.
01:31:55If my colleagues correct me, Tera's management did not change, Pusula's
01:31:59changed. Of course.
01:32:04It seems like Tera group's management changed. Pusula,
01:32:07Pusula's changed. The participation house's changed.
01:32:10Yes, go ahead. Now,
01:32:14not only in the fund market, but also in some stocks,
01:32:18very strange things happened. So, Mr. Yaşar,
01:32:20Ms. Ebru, Professor İbrahim, the four of us establish a company.
01:32:24We put 100 middle-class cars into it, each worth 1 million.
01:32:28We put 100 cars with a capital of 100 million liras.
01:32:31Then we IPO 20% of this company. We collect
01:32:35those 20 million shares
01:32:37from somewhere. Then we put these
01:32:41shares into a fund, a closed free
01:32:44fund that we are a part of. Then we take
01:32:48these 100 million shares and increase their value to 5 billion. Then this fund
01:32:52has a very low public float. You know that no one bought
01:32:56it when it was first offered to the public. You buy
01:32:59their shares from Luxembourg, Malta, or from your
01:33:03friends. Eventually, you have a beautiful public share.
01:33:07Then you establish
01:33:10a closed free fund with friends
01:33:14and family in a closed free fund, with a portfolio
01:33:17manager company. You raise the price of
01:33:21that share, which has no public float and for which no seller
01:33:24will come against you, from 100 million to 5 billion.
01:33:27After that, this fund shows
01:33:30incredible performance. I mean, imagine, a 100 million
01:33:34fund has become 5 billion liras, it has increased 50
01:33:38times. People say, "how well they manage funds."
01:33:41You also say, "I want to share my excellent fund management
01:33:45skills with our 17 million people."
01:33:48You open the fund to TEFAS, of course with CMB permission,
01:33:51by taking CMB permission. You enable the public to buy
01:33:55it. The public also buys it. While the public is buying, they also need to make a profit.
01:33:58You increase the fund that was 50 billion to 150
01:34:02billion. They also make a profit.
01:34:05They start defending this superior fund management skill
01:34:09more than anyone else. And then, of course, when the CMB and the stock exchange
01:34:13watched this for 10 months, this is where we are now.
01:34:16Now we need to see what happens next. After this,
01:34:20the investor is important. Protecting people is important here. The investors
01:34:24in Katılım Ev, I mean, the chairman
01:34:27of Tera's board of directors himself
01:34:30says, "We are responsible for protecting the money of people who scrimped
01:34:34and saved to invest here." Now, there is a very important critical point
01:34:37here. All the things we have talked
01:34:41about so far were within the Capital Markets Law and Capital Markets
01:34:45transactions. But Pusula is not just
01:34:48a company in the capital market. It also has
01:34:52a small participation bank, which means
01:34:55a bank that has the right to collect funds from citizens
01:34:58according to Islamic principles, however small.
01:35:02And it also has a savings finance company. These also collect people's
01:35:05savings, albeit indirectly. Therefore,
01:35:09there is a risk of these risks spreading
01:35:12to the banking system. There are three
01:35:15institutions that should take this seriously and prevent
01:35:18it: BDDK, which is already
01:35:22subject to BDDK regulations for these savings
01:35:26finance companies and banks. Secondly, SPK.
01:35:29Of course, SPK will know if there is a relationship between
01:35:33these money market funds and these banks. Thirdly, the Competition
01:35:36Authority. The Competition Authority is less important, but these two institutions are much
01:35:40more important. These transactions can only take place
01:35:43with their permission. So, if I tried to buy
01:35:47Ms. Hanım's car on Thursday, we couldn't go to the notary again on Monday.
01:35:51I mean, we would talk and discuss, we might not meet, but these transactions
01:35:54being done within two days and then
01:35:57board of directors changes happening shouldn't
01:36:01be independent of the decision of regulatory authorities, I think.
01:36:04I was going to ask that. The management changes in Pusula before the agreement
01:36:07is approved. Was it Muhammet Yarız or Yarız?
01:36:11Yes, I hadn't seen anything yet about the agreement
01:36:15being sent to regulatory authorities. No, it wasn't approved.
01:36:18But Muhammet Yarız and Serdar
01:36:21Turhan left the management. The management appointed by Tera
01:36:25and Emre Tezmen came, but it hasn't been approved
01:36:27yet, yes. Now,
01:36:31board of directors changes are made in
01:36:34banks and savings finance companies. Then BDDK
01:36:38gives permission. They have 1 week to object, so the change might have been made.
01:36:41But normally, the proper thing is
01:36:45to make a notification, and if no objection comes within that week, then
01:36:49these changes are made. That's more proper. But
01:36:52the Competition Board's permission for Carrefour's sale
01:36:56came in about 3 and a half months. So these are not
01:37:00very easy processes. Such
01:37:03rapid management changes and so on are also important
01:37:06in terms of preventing contamination in the banking
01:37:10sector. I think it is important.
01:37:13Very careful consideration is needed from
01:37:16now on. I think regulatory institutions, both
01:37:19for the banking system, as I mentioned earlier,
01:37:23"let financial stability not be disturbed." The citizens have suffered so much for
01:37:273.5 years for this. My aim in saying "let's not face
01:37:30another financial stability risk" was this. But
01:37:34what I can only tell investors is that
01:37:37these days are important in terms of news flow.
01:37:41So, if there are significant outflows from funds
01:37:45holding shares that are weak in terms of selling to markets,
01:37:49it is very possible for them to experience rapid
01:37:53value loss. But if there is no outflow,
01:37:57if money inflow continues and the current balance holds,
01:38:00then its sustainability is certainly possible. But October 31 and December
01:38:0431 are also important. For both
01:38:07these institutions, both the CMB and the stock exchange,
01:38:11the regulatory institutions, these are the last
01:38:14days if there is no change, if there is no
01:38:17easing. So, for investors,
01:38:20it's important to research who they are working
01:38:23with and what's in the funds. They now have the chance to see
01:38:26these things from all kinds of small applications.
01:38:30I saw, for example, Pusula has
01:38:33a fund that gained 40 billion liras in value
01:38:37from January to March. Yes.
01:38:40There are very rapid value increases. No one just
01:38:44gives that
01:38:48You gave a clearer picture, you said that Tüpraş,
01:38:51there is a fund value larger than Tüpraş. You said, there is a factoring
01:38:55company larger than Turkey's largest
01:39:01such
01:39:02a return
01:39:06no, factories are closing down one after another. These are prices
01:39:09inflated on paper, inflated on paper.
01:39:13The shares are yours, Ms. Ebru, the shares are completely yours.
01:39:17Look, let me tell you another method. You wrote
01:39:20this. Exactly one year ago, on September
01:39:2312, 2025, I wrote "in trendy funds
01:39:27on the stock market." For a day or a few days, we talked
01:39:31in these broadcasts about how these companies could be larger than the value
01:39:34of a large bank. I mean, the market value of one
01:39:38factoring company is greater than the value of four
01:39:41large banks. What is it? The shares are yours. When
01:39:44they are yours, what do you do? Let's say it's 10 liras, you write a sale
01:39:48for 11 liras, you buy at 11 liras.
01:39:52It continues to be high, high, high every day. The next day
01:39:5512, 13. Let me give you an example. There is a company worth 1
01:39:59billion with 1 million shares. The shares are yours. 30% is
01:40:03publicly traded, whatever. And 30% is yours, all
01:40:06of it is yours, all of it is yours. You increase the value of a 1 billion
01:40:10company to 500 billion liras in one year,
01:40:14by selling yourself, as I just said. As I
01:40:18just said, the shares are yours. Well, this
01:40:21is a crime. Look, at one point,
01:40:24all financial crimes.
01:40:27There is a favoritism of public
01:40:30power there. In all financial crimes,
01:40:34in all financial crimes, if the public takes
01:40:37the necessary measures at the necessary time, there
01:40:41will be no financial crime, because these are recorded transactions.
01:40:45Now, you increased the value of a 1 billion company
01:40:48to 500 billion through artificial
01:40:52transactions. Okay. The fund
01:40:55that holds those shares makes a profit
01:40:59of 499 billion liras in one year.
01:41:02It shows a profit. You'll say, is there such a profit?
01:41:06No, but in the balance sheet,
01:41:08a net profit of 499 billion liras is written.
01:41:12Let's say 1 billion is lost, 498 billion liras net profit
01:41:16is written. Similar to this,
01:41:19in the stock market, in the market, these funds,
01:41:23as my professor just said, there is a factoring company
01:41:26with a market value of 870 billion TL.
01:41:30Koç Holding's market value is 550 billion.
01:41:33A factoring company's value is 1.5 times
01:41:36the market value of Turkey's largest industrial enterprise
01:41:40that provides 75-80,000 jobs. How can such a thing happen? And
01:41:43this is taken into account in the stock market
01:41:46index. The MSI index warned Turkey for
01:41:49this reason, saying that "your index
01:41:52values, company values, there is fraud
01:41:55in this business, there is cheating in this business." I mean, they conduct
01:41:59legal betting operations in Turkey and close legal bets.
01:42:03They had opened a legal stock market casino for a few years. Money should go to legal
01:42:07betting, but instead it goes to legal stock market gambling. An investigation
01:42:10was conducted, the investigation is ongoing, six names have been identified, be careful.
01:42:14There are holding shares.
01:42:17It went from 1 lira to 80 liras.
01:42:21From 1 lira to 80 liras. What is
01:42:24the freedom in the company's balance sheet? What is
01:42:28the risk right now?
01:42:31What is the risk? As Professor Kerim just said,
01:42:35you came to this fund and invested,
01:42:38you bought something from the fund, you want to sell,
01:42:42there are no buyers to sell to. A share that was 1 lira
01:42:45went to 80 liras. Who will buy at 80,
01:42:48who will buy at 60, who will buy at 50, who will buy at 40, who will buy at 30?
01:42:52You can't sell.
01:42:54The fund can't sell it. What happens when it can't sell? What did
01:42:58you say, professor? For example, in a 500
01:43:01million fund, there are people who have sold,
01:43:05but the shares in the fund's possession are not even 10 million.
01:43:08The deficit of 490 million who will cover it, how will they cover it?
01:43:12He will take out a loan, do this, do that, and then he won't be able to turn it back.
01:43:15This system has been in place for years.
01:43:18It's been in fashion for a few years. With this system,
01:43:21who gave permission, who allowed it?
01:43:25I'm coming back to what? To the public? Yes,
01:43:28what I always come to is public CMB measures.
01:43:32Did they create a bottleneck? I wonder. On August
01:43:3528, of course, the CMB measures were correct.
01:43:39But they should have been taken much earlier.
01:43:42I mean, when you look at the list of CMB
01:43:45measures, it was as if they had already written
01:43:49the chronology for this. When you look at it, these were measures that should
01:43:52have been taken much earlier. In between, a CMB chairman changed
01:43:56many times. It was written, drawn, communiqués went,
01:43:59came, but nothing was done, unfortunately. I agree
01:44:03100% with my teacher İbrahim. I mean, without public power,
01:44:06without political connections, such a...
01:44:10it's absolutely impossible to operate such a mechanism.
01:44:14I have a teacher I love very much, Hakan Yılmaz teacher. He sent me
01:44:17a message. In Gabriel
01:44:20Marcel Marcos's novel "Chronicle of a Death Foretold", there is a sentence: "Everyone knew
01:44:24the murder would happen. Everything was so obvious,
01:44:27and it was going on recklessly." Morgan Stanley also had a saying adapted from there
01:44:31in the 2008 crisis: "Everyone was dancing,
01:44:34I couldn't sit." Unfortunately, it's like that.
01:44:38I mean, an example.
01:44:46Without naming names, an investment fund established up to 5 years ago has increased 1600 times in dollar terms.
01:44:501600 times. In the same period, Nvidia
01:44:54system, that is, which has made a breakthrough
01:44:57in technology, Nvidia stock has increased 30 times.
01:45:01Someone who invested 100 dollars on that day
01:45:04and held it until today has seen their dollar become 1.6 million
01:45:07dollars. None of these can be done
01:45:10in other real market conditions, by creating a real company
01:45:14value behind it. But the CMB knew this much
01:45:17better than us. So,
01:45:20do you have any advice for investors? Let me add one more thing.
01:45:23Is the Turkish economy
01:45:27different from these stock market
01:45:29funds? Let me give you a figure. I analyzed this the other day.
01:45:33In 2018, in 2019, my per
01:45:36capita income was 9,000, say 700,000 dollars.
01:45:40While my per capita income was 10,000
01:45:43dollars, my food purchasing power
01:45:46was, according to the hunger threshold prices announced
01:45:49by Türk-İş, my food purchasing power was
01:45:5321,000. Today, my per capita income has reached 19,000
01:45:56dollars, but my food purchasing power
01:45:59is behind that of 2018-2019, slightly less or the same,
01:46:03let's say it's the same level. I mean,
01:46:06the Turkish economy is like this
01:46:10"faktöring şirketi gibi şişiyor, büyüme diye bir
01:46:13şey yok ki, refah artmıyor, 2018'den
01:46:172017'den beri satın
01:46:20alma gücü, gıda satın alma gücüne göre benim büyümem
01:46:240,0 kişi başına büyümem sıfır, emeklinin
01:46:27eksi kaç acaba yani onlar eksi zaten şey asgari
01:46:30ücretli asgari ücretten örnek vereyim
01:46:342017-18'de asgari ücretinin
01:46:37yıllık geliri açlık." %6
01:46:41altındaydı, şimdi %23
01:46:44altında, açlık sınırının %6
01:46:47altındaydı, şimdi %23 altında, aynı dönemde kişi başı
01:46:51milli geri 3 kat arttı, evet faizsiz tabii eee insanlar
01:46:55hani bir belli bir para yatırıyorlar, sonra kurada
01:46:58çıkıp ev sahibi oluyorlar az bir paraya, sonra onun taksitlerini ödüyorlar
01:47:02falan, tabii hani darboğaz olunca da bu şirketlere
01:47:05ilgi çok büyüdü, otomobilde de bu uygulanıyor, insanlar
01:47:09buraya. "hakikaten dişinden tırnağından arttırdığını
01:47:12yatırıyor e bu fonlara biraz daha fazla bir getirim olsun
01:47:16diye kadar çok konuşuldu ki yatırım yapanlar var eee
01:47:20ya yatırımcının korunması burada esas onların zarar görmesi
01:47:23esas e oraya e onlara dönük bir şey söylemek ister
01:47:27misiniz öyle tamamlıyor isterim aslında eee bu bu
01:47:31tür eee tasarruf finansman şirketlerinin hepsi aslında bddk
01:47:34eee kontrolünde ve düzenlemesinde o yüzden çok
01:47:37endişe edecek bir şeyleri olduklarını hiç düşünmüyor."
01:47:50olabilir, mesela katılım esaslı fonlara yatırmaları lazım ama bir
01:47:53katılım esaslı para piyasası fonula yatırıp da içinde başka bir şey var mı, bunu biz
01:47:56bilemeyiz tabii ki, bunu bilmesi gereken SPK, BDDK'nın koordineli
01:48:00çalışmalarıdır, ama bu konunun eee iyi
01:48:04düzenlendiğini bilelim, o yüzden şu anda çok endişe edecek
01:48:08bir durum yok asıl. küçük yatırımcıların da orada olduğunu da bilelim,
01:48:11yani gerçekten ufak tefek tasarruflarla ee işte 7 ay sonra 18
01:48:15ay sonra bir eee toplu paraya ulaşmak isteyen eee ve
01:48:19aslında hem birikimi eee hem de oradan bir eee varlık
01:48:22edinmeyi eee şey yapan teşvik eden önemli
01:48:26kuruluşlar eee o yüzden bunların BDDK tarafından
01:48:29zaten denetleniyordu daha dikkatli bir şekilde denetleneceğine
01:48:33benim inancım var çok teşekkür ediyorum Kerim hocam sağ
01:48:36you have a portfolio company,
01:48:46you create funds within it, you put various investment tools
01:48:50in it, but you also put your own company's shares in it, then
01:48:53it grows with leverage, it has a very high return, a portfolio
01:48:57company can reach the size of Tüpraş, 2-3 times
01:49:00that of Turkcell, then investors come there, but
01:49:04when you start withdrawing money, there can be a bottleneck.
01:49:07We see that there is no such money. Okay, yes, but now
01:49:10did this person go abroad or not? What happened to this sale?
01:49:14An official statement regarding the investor
01:49:18needs to be made, please. But
01:49:21look, the prosecutor's office conducts operations
01:49:25because social media affects stock values. Six accounts... I wish
01:49:29we hadn't reached the point where we have to conduct operations.
01:49:32This time, let me put a headline for our viewers.
01:49:35How do they conduct operations against small investors
01:49:39in legal betting? Let me also say this:
01:49:41Don't gamble.
01:49:43Well, I still prefer to remain calm,
01:49:47and I believe that regulatory bodies will intervene at this point
01:49:50before a major loss occurs. But this much inflation,
01:49:54reaching this point after such a long time, is a question.
01:49:58Let's leave this question here. Yaşar Aydın, thank you
01:50:01very much for your time. Yes, it was
01:50:05very good, your contribution was great. Thank you.
01:50:08Yaşar Aydın, the general broadcast coordinator of BirGün newspaper,
01:50:11was our guest. We are concluding. İrem Sansak is coming. Goodbye.
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01:57:19There are news of price increases and discounts in fuel prices.
01:57:22The pump doesn't stay steady, citizens are confused.
01:57:25Tracking fuel prices is harder than tracking the stock market.
01:57:29Now, timing is also important. We asked
01:57:33the public: When and according to what do you decide to fill
01:57:36your tank? Honestly, we can't really decide that in Turkey
01:57:40anymore, because it's volatile every day.
01:57:43We buy fuel when it hits rock bottom,
01:57:46that is. The price, that is,
01:57:49as much as our money allows, according to my needs
01:57:53or my pocket, mostly my pocket. Sometimes I go
01:57:56on intercity trips, in this case,
01:57:59my eyes are always on the signs, wondering which one
01:58:03will have a discount, which one will have a price
01:58:06increase. It might be easier to track the stock market, because
01:58:10why, the screens are always in front of your eyes, but it's not like that here.
01:58:14Will you follow the road, or will you follow the
01:58:17labels on the road? These are huge problems. When my tank
01:58:20is empty, I have to fill it, meaning I don't look at price increases or discounts,
01:58:24but when there is a discount, that becomes our loss. For example,
01:58:27I filled my tank now, but if there's a discount at night,
01:58:31I'll lose money, that's what I mean. We can no longer track prices.
01:58:35We can't keep up because it changes every day. One day it lowers, one day it discounts, there's no stability
01:58:39in the country. Those discounts don't affect me at all.
01:58:42I mean, I'll save 200 liras on 50 liters of fuel,
01:58:46but while my tank used to cost 1500 liras to fill,
01:58:49now it costs 4500 liras. A 200 lira discount
01:58:53I'd get from that doesn't affect me at all. We always keep our tanks full,
01:58:56but prices are high now, of course.
01:59:00Well, my car runs on both gasoline and LPG.
01:59:03I cancelled the gasoline, because fuel is very expensive.
01:59:07LPG is also expensive, it's 30 liras in some places
01:59:11and 35 liras in others. I don't know, I buy and use LPG,
01:59:14but it's very bad for the engine. What can I do, I have to. They are making fun of us.
01:59:18I mean, today they increase the price,
01:59:22three days later they say there's a discount. What's the point?
01:59:26I mean, it will come again. It will come again in three days.
01:59:30I think it's an election investment, but people can't be fooled.
01:59:32boyamamaz.
01:59:50Hello from Halk TV screens, I'm İrem Sansak, and we are with Haber Masası.
01:59:53It's the first day of the week, and on the first day, there is
01:59:57again a busy and eventful agenda. We will discuss the headlines one by one.
02:00:01The day started with operations, the first bell rang, let's bring
02:00:05the headlines and discuss them one by one. The first bell rang, millions of
02:00:08students reunited with their teachers, schools, and desks today.
02:00:12Of course, school started. How did school start?
02:00:16It started with expenses. School preparations and supplies
02:00:20are unfortunately breaking the backs of families. Families
02:00:23are concerned about this issue, and we will discuss it one by one.
02:00:26And of course, the first bell rang, and operations immediately followed.
02:00:30The "Streets are Safe" operation was carried out, and legal
02:00:34action was taken against many people. There are 2,000 legal actions
02:00:38and not only operations on the streets,
02:00:42but also narcotic operations are taking place in many
02:00:45regions. We will discuss the details
02:00:47of these operations. The Kozinoğlu investigation.
02:00:51Kaşif Kozinoğlu was a former and important manager
02:00:54of the National Intelligence Organization. He held critical positions
02:00:58and was to appear in court.