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00:00:56Now, as of yesterday, I told you at
00:00:5910 o'clock. Around 16:00 in the evening,
00:01:02there would be a big increase
00:01:04produce, in gasoline prices. An increase between 6.62
00:01:07liras and 7.60 liras was being discussed. I said
00:01:11that the increase would be finalized around 16:00. We
00:01:14also said that there was a high probability of it being above 6
00:01:17liras and 62 kuruş, and that increase
00:01:20has come. This is one of the biggest increases made
00:01:24to date. The increase in the price of a liter of diesel
00:01:27was 6 liras and 62 kuruş. As of
00:01:3112:00, it was reflected
00:01:34in the pump price. Now, what happened to prices?
00:01:38How much will you pay for a liter
00:01:41of diesel? How will farmers be affected by this?
00:01:45How will the price of every product, from needle to thread, be affected by these
00:01:49costs? This is being discussed. In Istanbul, the price of a liter of diesel
00:01:52has exceeded 95.63 liras, that is, 95 liras.
00:01:56In Ankara, it approached 97 liras. In Izmir, it
00:02:00exceeded 97 liras, and in Antalya, the distribution
00:02:03point for fruits and vegetables, the point where products are shipped,
00:02:06the price of a liter of diesel is 98
00:02:10liras. In fact, when you go to Eastern and Southeastern
00:02:13Anatolia, you will see figures approaching 100 liras. Now
00:02:17there are 4 liras, 3 liras, 2 liras left to 100 liras.
00:02:20While I am telling you these figures, let's also
00:02:23mention that oil prices are around 107
00:02:27dollars. Before the diesel price
00:02:30increase, we used to pay around 3,500
00:02:33liras for a 40-liter tank. Now, after
00:02:36the increase, we will fill a 40-liter
00:02:40tank for over 3,800 liras.
00:02:43That means in one night, there was an increase
00:02:46of approximately 265-270
00:02:49liras. Now, a tank will cost almost
00:02:524,000 liras, and people don't even
00:02:56fill 40 liters. Before, we used to say "I'm getting 50 liras worth",
00:03:00that's over, now people say "I'm getting 1,000 liras worth",
00:03:03but it's not enough for anything. Now, the price
00:03:07increases are like this. Let's say
00:03:09what US President Trump says: the war will
00:03:13end after the midterm elections, but it will accelerate until then.
00:03:17He also says it might end before the midterm elections. When
00:03:20you look at it this way, we also have our taxes. That is, if oil
00:03:24prices don't fall, even if they don't increase, even if they
00:03:27drop a little, and there's no increase at all, we will still
00:03:31have an automatic increase in early October, in 15 days.
00:03:35That means a 3 lira 60 kuruş tax increase will be automatically
00:03:38reflected in the price of a liter of diesel. This
00:03:41indicates that 100 liras will definitely be exceeded
00:03:45in early October. In Istanbul, it will be 100 liras,
00:03:48in Ankara it will exceed 100 liras, and in Antalya it will
00:03:51even exceed 101 liras. We have another problem.
00:03:55It's not a problem now, but if another increase
00:03:59comes, it will be a serious problem, because the screens
00:04:02of the pumps at gas stations are not
00:04:05ready for the 100 lira price. Since it's an old
00:04:09system, diesel prices are about to
00:04:12reach three digits, but when it goes up to five digits,
00:04:15the screen can't handle it. That means there are 70-80,000
00:04:18pumps in 14,000 gas stations. 50-53
00:04:21of them need to be renewed, they need to be
00:04:25updated, the screen needs to be updated, and this is a cost of 212.5
00:04:28million dollars. We are not ready for this, and our
00:04:32pockets are not ready at all. That is, in some gas
00:04:36stations with old systems, the pump screens
00:04:39remain at 99.99. When it becomes 100 liras, the screen
00:04:43doesn't display it. That is, the station
00:04:47screens are not ready, and neither are we,
00:04:50our pockets are not ready. We are facing such a situation.
00:04:54This is not just about the price of a liter of diesel
00:04:57you put in your car or in your tractor,
00:05:01or the diesel used by farmers. This is a cost
00:05:04increase that will affect everything from needle
00:05:08to thread. For example, Professor Hakan Kara also said yesterday
00:05:11that there might be an increase in electricity and natural gas
00:05:15prices in October. However,
00:05:18costs or prices are increasing so rapidly, we are seeing
00:05:22a rapid price increase, but there is no increase in wages
00:05:25in return. Özgür Erdursun, a social security expert, says
00:05:29he expects a maximum of 25% increase in January.
00:05:32An minimum wage slightly above 35,000 liras
00:05:36is below the hunger line. Again,
00:05:38when we look at it, what will happen to pensioners?
00:05:42There will be a 9.5%-10% increase, the lowest pension
00:05:46will be around 26,000 liras. However,
00:05:49he says that some changes might
00:05:52occur after July, closer to the elections.
00:05:56Therefore, the wage increases we see
00:05:59in life are 9.5%, 20%, 25%. And wages are
00:06:03already low. When you look at it this way,
00:06:07money is not enough for anything. We will discuss all
00:06:10economic topics. Earlier, the new party's Zonguldak
00:06:20MP said that if this privatization happens, 90% of the bridges and highways will pass to the private sector. He said to be ready for huge
00:06:24price increases. He said that after
00:06:27more than 70 years of highways,
00:06:31there will be no state-owned highways or bridges left.
00:06:34We have another problem, we are talking about
00:06:37food prices. For example, the increase
00:06:41in diesel prices already
00:06:43high food prices. But this morning we woke up to
00:06:47news of an operation, let's also mention that. Senior executives
00:06:51of 41 distribution companies were detained. The reason for the detention
00:06:54is influencing prices, determining a common
00:06:57price, increasing prices, influencing,
00:07:00document forgery, opposing
00:07:02the tax law,
00:07:05and laundering assets obtained
00:07:08from illegal activities, laundering assets obtained
00:07:12from illegal sources. The Ministry of Justice
00:07:16announced that the senior executives of 41 distribution
00:07:19companies were detained on these charges. Among
00:07:22these distribution companies, there are
00:07:25very large ones. That is, they buy products from farmers,
00:07:28give them to commission agents and distribution companies,
00:07:32from there they go to markets. The senior executives of these
00:07:3541 large companies were detained due to
00:07:39influencing prices and other charges I mentioned.
00:07:42Let's also say that a detention order was issued. Can
00:07:46this lead to a price drop? I will ask my guests
00:07:49about this shortly. Now, there are
00:07:52many more news stories we will talk
00:07:55about today. Now, a shocking statement
00:07:58for Büşra. Büşra, the baby, disappeared
00:08:02in Sivas. The family reported that the child was taken
00:08:06from the tent. Later, it was stated
00:08:10that the child was actually given to another
00:08:13family for money. Then
00:08:16the mother changed her statement
00:08:19and said that her husband owed 1 million
00:08:23to the bank,
00:08:25so he gave
00:08:28the baby. Then she changed her statement again, saying
00:08:32her husband killed the baby, and even showed the location.
00:08:36What's happening here? What happened to Baby Büşra?
00:08:39Was she given to someone, to a veterinarian, for a million?
00:09:02Now, Kaşif Kozinoğlu died in 2011
00:09:05in Silivri prison in his cell.
00:09:08When he was taken to Silivri State Hospital,
00:09:11it was understood that he had already passed
00:09:15away. His family constantly stated that his death was suspicious.
00:09:19Now, the case has been reopened,
00:09:22his grave has been opened. Kaşif Kozinoğlu's
00:09:26re-evaluations are being made. Was it a drug, poisoning,
00:09:30or something else, or a heart attack? The results
00:09:33will be evaluated and an announcement will be made.
00:09:37However, you will remember the TV series Kurtlar
00:09:39Vadisi (Valley of the Wolves), it was a very popular
00:09:43series. In the episode broadcast on November
00:09:4610, 2011, a character named Kazım
00:09:50Kaşifoğlu is accused of treason,
00:09:54also a state official, and he is threatened.
00:09:57In fact, while he is exercising in prison,
00:10:01he says "they are choking me, they are killing me, I am
00:10:04having a heart attack". He is attacked and even
00:10:08threatened in that episode. Then, two days later,
00:10:11on November 12, Kaşif Kozinoğlu, a MIT
00:10:14official, responsible for MIT's foreign operations,
00:10:18who served in special forces for many
00:10:21years, an individual who served in MIT for 17
00:10:24years, "is imprisoned in Ergenekon.
00:10:26Exactly two days after the episode of the
00:10:30series where Kazım Kaşifoğlu is attacked and threatened
00:10:34in his cell, Kaşif Kozinoğlu
00:10:37dies. Kaşif Kozinoğlu
00:10:40dies and dies in his cell.
00:10:44Many allegations emerge about this. Then,
00:10:47Osman Sınav, who directed and produced 55 episodes
00:10:51of the series at that time, says in a broadcast,
00:10:55"why did you leave?" "It's often asked, why did you leave
00:10:59such a popular series?" He says "I won't comment on
00:11:02this, it's a red question for me, it will
00:11:05go with me." He doesn't answer. Yesterday, the screenwriters
00:11:09Bahadır Özdener, Raci Şaşmaz, and Cüneyt Aysan went to testify
00:11:12as witnesses. The prosecutor asked,
00:11:15"Can there be so many coincidences? The license plates are similar,
00:11:19the events are similar, the names are
00:11:22similar. Kaşif Kozinoğlu dies, two days
00:11:25before, in the episode, someone named Kazım Kaşifoğlu
00:11:28is attacked in his cell. Is there any
00:11:31interference in this scenario? Did you receive support from anywhere?
00:11:35Did you have any information about these events? Did
00:11:38you experience any pressure regarding the scenario?" The prosecutor
00:11:42asked yesterday. The three screenwriters gave
00:11:45the answer "no, it's a complete coincidence". Let's
00:11:49also convey that part. These were the most
00:11:52talked about topics yesterday and for days, the
00:11:56latest point. This issue became a hot
00:11:58topic and we will discuss it. Now, if we return
00:12:02to the newspaper headlines, what else is there?
00:12:05The increase in oil prices affects every country.
00:12:08Those costs are also in today's newspaper
00:12:11headlines. For example, the cost of wars.
00:12:15Milliyet says it created an additional
00:12:18cost of 100 million dollars for Turkey alone. Therefore,
00:12:20the rise in oil prices created a cost of 500
00:12:25billion dollars for countries. The cost for America
00:12:28is 100 billion dollars, for Turkey it is 100 billion
00:12:32dollars. Therefore, every oil price increase brought
00:12:35very serious costs with it. Meanwhile,
00:12:38diesel in America is around 6 dollars,
00:12:41and a liter of gasoline is slightly above 4 dollars.
00:12:44It's high in America too. Trump says, "Don't worry,
00:12:48it will fall when the war ends." US Treasury bonds also
00:12:51exceeded 5%, a historic level, let's mention
00:12:55that too. Schools opened amidst reactionism and poverty
00:12:59for students, says Cumhuriyet newspaper
00:13:01in its headline today. Besides the education
00:13:05system and curriculum debates in schools, there
00:13:08is also poverty among children. Everyone
00:13:12in all newspapers for days has been saying
00:13:15"a toast and a buttermilk for 150 liras". Children
00:13:18start school with such a cost. Do you know what the headline
00:13:21of Nefes is today? Paid teachers. Paid teachers
00:13:25are queuing in Bursa Osmangazi to earn 20-30,000
00:13:28liras a month. They can't even do that.
00:13:32Their insurance is not fully paid. Is it possible
00:13:35to make a living with 20-30,000 liras? Paid
00:13:38teaching, the teacher shortage is being filled
00:13:42by paid teachers. This causes queues. The money these
00:13:46teachers receive does not exceed 20-30 thousand
00:13:49liras. That's the situation. Neither students
00:13:52nor teachers are happy. Measures are being taken
00:13:55in schools, but the cost of food and
00:13:59drink for children in schools, and
00:14:01how they will go to school, makes families
00:14:05think deeply. Now, the record price
00:14:08increase for diesel is on the front page of all newspapers
00:14:12today. Bir Gün newspaper also put it on its front
00:14:15page. We will discuss all these topics, from
00:14:19economy to politics. For example, yesterday, the New Party
00:14:22Group Deputy Chairman Murat Emir had statements
00:14:26on Halk TV. He said that they applied
00:14:30to the Supreme Court of Appeals for the New Party to change
00:14:33its name because it creates confusion. Murat Emir says
00:14:37that an application needs to be made to the Constitutional
00:14:41Court. This issue will be evaluated by the Constitutional
00:14:45Court. But we gave this name by evaluating
00:14:48all these possibilities and looking at previous precedents.
00:14:51Therefore, there will be no problem. At the same
00:14:55time, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu became the Chairman of
00:14:58the CHP, going back 6 years, after the
00:15:0238th General Assembly was cancelled due to an absolute
00:15:06nullity decision. An appeal was filed with the Supreme
00:15:09Court of Appeals, but that appeal was withdrawn.
00:15:13Murat Emir says that they are escaping justice,
00:15:16but our application is still valid and in effect. We
00:15:20have so many topics that we will discuss and evaluate
00:15:23all of them. Professor
00:15:28Dr. Öner Günçav is also with us today. We are
00:15:31tiring him from evening to morning, we know that.
00:15:35Good morning, welcome. Thank you. There are many
00:15:43Bülent Arınç's statements, Oktay Saral's reaction,
00:15:47everything is in chaos there. Please start.
00:15:50We set up organized selling points, the prices
00:15:53instantly dropped by half and will drop even
00:15:57further. We will also sell other products
00:16:00there. Now we will also start selling cleaning
00:16:04products. We taught those who terrorized
00:16:08food prices a lesson, and we continue to do
00:16:11so. What's next? Whatever they do,
00:16:13we will not turn back from this path.
00:16:17They saw that they couldn't do it with
00:16:20exchange rates and interest rates. They tried to
00:16:23undermine our country with onions, eggplants,
00:16:27tomatoes, and peppers. These are external forces,
00:16:31external forces. Was it 2018 or 2019? 2019
00:16:33elections, 2019. These external forces
00:16:37never stop their operations against
00:16:39Turkey. External
00:16:41forces carried out operations on onions
00:16:45and potatoes in 2018-19. How difficult their work
00:16:49is, external forces, it's very difficult,
00:16:52Professor. They saw that through exchange
00:16:56rates and interest rates, our President
00:16:59said in 2018, "Give this brother
00:17:02of yours the authority, and see what happens to
00:17:05foreign exchange and interest
00:17:07rates." We saw 720. It was 4, we saw 720
00:17:11dollars. Then they saw that this stopped,
00:17:14they stopped it. External forces came and carried
00:17:18out an onion and potato operation in Turkey.
00:17:20They had so many traitorous collaborators within the country.
00:17:23They had so many traitorous collaborators that
00:17:27there were onion and potato terrorists back then,
00:17:30sorry, barons. There were onion and potato
00:17:33barons. Operations were carried out one after
00:17:37another against the onion and potato barons.
00:17:39Warehouses were raided. Onions and potatoes were found
00:17:43in the warehouses. With those found onions
00:17:46and potatoes, the onion and potato barons were exposed
00:17:49to the public. These were the barons who were doing
00:17:53onions and potatoes. The warehouses were raided. Of course,
00:17:56there was a small detail. In 2012, complaints
00:17:59were made to the Competition Authority, Professor,
00:18:02about the onion and potato market for days. The
00:18:06Competition Authority coincidentally concluded
00:18:09the complaint made in 2012
00:18:12and published it in 2019. In the
00:18:16Competition Authority's publication, it says
00:18:19there is no monopoly or baron here. It says
00:18:22onions and potatoes grow once a year,
00:18:26and since they are annual consumption products, they
00:18:29are stored in warehouses. It says they are gradually
00:18:33released to the market throughout the year. Now,
00:18:37while our government was carrying out big
00:18:39operations against the onion and potato barons,
00:18:43the internal collaborators of external forces,
00:18:47I published the Competition
00:18:49Authority report. Do
00:18:51you know what happened? The Competition Authority
00:18:55removed the report from publication. Its investigation.
00:18:58Do you remember, Ms. Ebru? I mentioned bridges
00:19:01and highways the other day. What year was it?
00:19:05Was it 2019 or 2018? It was
00:19:082019, I guess. They made a high price
00:19:11increase for bridges and highways. They increased
00:19:15prices by 40%. At that time, inflation was
00:19:18low, of course. Low inflation. They increased prices
00:19:21by 40%, and they said they were increasing
00:19:25prices due to maintenance and repair costs.
00:19:28I also said that the General Directorate of Highways
00:19:31published the number of vehicles passing
00:19:34through bridges and highways monthly and the monthly
00:19:38revenue obtained. It explained the maintenance
00:19:42and repair costs of the regions, such
00:19:44as Highways 1st region, 2nd branch, 1st branch,
00:19:482nd branch. I took the data from there and published
00:19:51that even if you add all the maintenance
00:19:55and repair costs of all branches of highways, including other roads
00:19:59like E5 which are free, to the bridges
00:20:03and highways, it does not exceed 14.5%
00:20:06of the total revenue. The Highways removed
00:20:10that data from publication the next
00:20:13day. Was it the next day or a few days later?
00:20:17That data is gone. That data was removed.
00:20:21Competition. Many data have been removed
00:20:24in Turkey because of me. Many data have been removed.
00:20:27Is it your fault that a lot of data was removed
00:20:30by Turkey, which works so much by looking
00:20:32at such data? Like the sectoral
00:20:36distribution of unemployment data. Now,
00:20:39in 2019, the external forces
00:20:42who couldn't achieve the pressure they wanted
00:20:46with exchange rates and interest
00:20:48rates did it with onion and potato
00:20:52terrorists. They did it with their barons.
00:20:55External forces are operating against Turkey. I guess
00:20:59today there is another operation by external
00:21:03forces against vegetable and fruit.
00:21:06I made another operation, but these distribution
00:21:10companies, I don't know the names of which
00:21:1441 companies right now, but
00:21:18when we say distribution companies, big companies,
00:21:21let me tell you the story first, Ms. Ebru.
00:21:25I directly entered in 2018. There
00:21:28are indeed big companies, let me tell you.
00:21:31That is, there are companies whose names
00:21:34we know, and there are companies
00:21:37that are below the chains. What happened?
00:21:40The crime of influencing prices has been
00:21:44detected. Is it our police or our Ministry
00:21:47of Justice or our prosecution? After the investigation
00:21:50initiated by the Ministry of Justice, the police
00:21:53or gendarmerie applies the detention order.
00:21:57You probably know this process, you are probably
00:22:00familiar with it. For our viewers,
00:22:04an investigation starts, then a detention order
00:22:06is issued by the police. To explain it to our
00:22:10viewers, today, our police and prosecutors
00:22:13are carrying out an operation on vegetables,
00:22:17right? They are carrying out an operation
00:22:21on vegetables. Since they mentioned food companies,
00:22:24we understand that it's mostly about fruits and
00:22:28vegetables. A detention order was issued for
00:22:32the executives of 41 large distribution
00:22:35companies for influencing prices and unfair
00:22:39records. Farmer records were examined.
00:22:42Therefore, all these determinations
00:22:46were made, at what price it was taken
00:22:49from the farmer, and at what price it was
00:22:52brought to the market. Now, my problem,
00:22:54Professor, is this: in such
00:22:57operations, my problem is this:
00:23:01who was investigating these? For example,
00:23:04the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Commerce?
00:23:07Both the Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Commerce.
00:23:11Now, did they investigate these and make a criminal complaint
00:23:15and announce their findings to the public,
00:23:19and these were found? Or did the prosecutor's
00:23:23office directly find these intermediaries?
00:23:26As far as I understand,
00:23:29whoever wakes up early in the morning
00:23:32carries out the operation. The difference
00:23:36from 2019 is that this
00:23:39time, the justification also includes the
00:23:43crime of money laundering derived
00:23:46from crime. We saw this back
00:23:54in 2019, during the period
00:23:58of organized sales, that prices
00:24:01were being manipulated. There was
00:24:04an argument of exorbitant
00:24:07prices. Now, in addition to
00:24:11these, as in everything,
00:24:14we now have a catalog crime,
00:24:18this crime of laundering
00:24:21proceeds of crime,
00:24:24is being added. I mean,
00:24:28the Competition Authority also
00:24:30has the same thing on the stock
00:24:34exchange, as you know.
00:24:37Now, when we say, for
00:24:41example, that a product that costs
00:24:4410 liras at the producer reaches
00:24:47the market at 50 or 60 liras,
00:24:51we ask what happened to this price in
00:24:54between. The Union of Chambers of
00:24:57Agriculture announces it every month.
00:25:01The answer to the question
00:25:05of what happened to those prices
00:25:08is being sought. I also couldn't
00:25:11figure out this. When a
00:25:15product costs 5 liras in
00:25:18something happened until it reached the market, he says, but
00:25:22there is also a cost in the market now. The distribution company says, "I bought this,
00:25:26market, the distribution "I paid for the mozato," he says, "I distributed
00:25:29it, I took it to the market," he says. The market added its profit margin,
00:25:33added its rent, added the labor cost. And
00:25:36there were also losses, it added their cost, so the price goes up to this," he says. What would you say about this,
00:25:40what kind of question would you ask? I
00:25:43believe all these explanations are correct,
00:25:46that such an explanation can be made,
00:25:50but is the judiciary system
00:25:53capable of evaluating this explanation? As you know, in our country, judges and courts
00:25:56have an expert witness institution. So, the other party will say, "Okay, I'm buying this, but I'm giving it to the producer.
00:26:00structural market I'm giving it to the broker.
00:26:04I'm transporting it to the market." They'll find an informant,
00:26:07Ms. Ebru, they'll find an informant, they'll get a confession. What can I say
00:26:11now? What I see is that there's nothing
00:26:14to say about the Capital Markets Board. It's the same situation that happened at the Capital Markets Board.
00:26:18There's the Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency, there's the Capital Markets Board. Isn't that right? The stock exchange has its own internal
00:26:22audit institution. Now,
00:26:26in such institutions, we are talking about manipulation.
00:26:30If you notice, Turkey's agenda is very fast. Because it changes so quickly,
00:26:33we discuss some issues like a straw fire,
00:26:37and then the next day, it immediately moves to another topic. Let them conduct inspections, but
00:26:40something, of course these detention orders and so on,
00:26:44I don't know if they will solve it. These are very assertive things, very assertive
00:26:47things. And also, my expertise, for example,
00:26:51for years, in Turkey, specialized courts
00:26:54are mentioned. Because
00:26:57not every judge can handle commercial
00:27:09Producers and consumers are throwing away their products. But this complaint
00:27:12let's say that is the same with chicken, as you know.
00:27:16Of course, it's the Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Commerce. That's right. So what is the Minister of Agriculture doing?
00:27:20What is the Competition Authority doing? Are they solving the problem? This is a characteristic of the system
00:27:24we are in. Everyone
00:27:27declares themselves responsible for the same issue. You mentioned
00:27:31portfolio. For example, yesterday,
00:27:34Muhammed Yarız, the chairman of the board of Pusula Finans Holding,
00:27:38the owner, was arrested. Nobody claims he was arrested, I'm sorry,
00:27:41let me correct myself, there are claims, news reports are coming out,
00:27:45last week, nearly 90% of these portfolios, the largest ones,
00:27:48have lost value. The market value has increased to 12 billion
00:27:52dollars in a very short time.
00:27:55There are so many allegations, exorbitant... there's no explanation,
00:27:59there's no explanation at all. "No explanation,
00:28:03no one arrested, there are only
00:28:05allegations, only allegations, only allegations, the only explanation is
00:28:09an investigation into social media accounts. Other than that, we don't know
00:28:13what happened to these companies, how Tera was bought, was it approved on Sunday night, or will it not be approved? The management
00:28:16changed, should investors be at ease now? We don't know anything,
00:28:20there is no official explanation, how much fund
00:28:23are you getting, from whom are you getting these funds, how did it grow so much, how did it become 12
00:28:27billion dollars, how did it grow as much as Tüpraş?" The alleged
00:28:30kadar büyüdü"? iddia
00:28:40pyramid scheme, hundreds of thousands
00:28:44of times over, has been established in our stock market. Nobody... there's no truth to it, all
00:28:48of these are allegations, by the way. That means, a stock worth 100 liras
00:28:51has gone up to 100 liras, a stock worth 1 lira
00:28:53has gone up to 500 liras. But you are at ease
00:28:57because we have said "be careful" many times in this program.
00:29:00Now, you always
00:29:03act cautiously, you warn people,
00:29:06you say these are allegations, but as an economist, I mean,
00:29:10we know the state of the Turkish economy, Mr. Economist, I am also seeing
00:29:13the data right now. For example, last week, I can see that there were 90%
00:29:17losses. Of course, of course, but we also know
00:29:20that these companies have
00:29:23incredibly high returns.
00:29:26I mean, where is there 12 billion dollars worth of value? I mean, this is not supported
00:29:30by the reality of the Turkish economy. These
00:29:33are definitely not supported.
00:29:37These are very clear. These are not
00:29:41just allegations. There are very clear things. Of course, I can see the loss of value
00:29:44here. You're saying 90%, I mean 85-90%.
00:29:48Someone has to account for it.
00:29:51Now, I
00:29:53know about the operation against the white lobby, you know.
00:29:57If you show the chicken prices yesterday, I was going to say that yesterday. Yesterday, you said chicken prices.
00:30:00What happened after that? Chicken prices
00:30:06skyrocketed. Here you go,
00:30:08the same issue with vegetables now. Such
00:30:11interventions, in economics, theoretically
00:30:14speaking, the most expected
00:30:18outcome is that they reduce supply. Yes. These kinds of operations reduce
00:30:21supply. And they make prices even more exorbitant.
00:30:24You set out with a different goal,
00:30:28but you end up with something else.
00:30:41Is this an organization or an isolated incident? But definitely, in economic
00:30:45matters, they act a bit like
00:30:48a bull in a china shop. They barge in recklessly and
00:30:51don't follow the rules. I mean, why don't you involve
00:30:55the Competition Authority? Isn't that right? There's the Ministry of Commerce,
00:30:58there's the Ministry of Industry. What if you lay the groundwork properly from the start?
00:31:17There are relevant expert institutions related to those markets.
00:31:20For example, I said White Meat, there is another institution. Teacher, white meat came, then
00:31:24if you can see it, tell me the prices. An operation
00:31:28was organized in the white meat sector. Let me tell you, about 3
00:31:31months ago, over 500 liras, teacher. About 3 months ago, they conducted an operation
00:31:35because prices were rising in the white meat sector, prices
00:31:38exploded even more. It was lower, 500.
00:31:41I'll tell you. Buy the brand, buy the brand.
00:31:45Every summer, every summer, when summer comes,
00:31:48the price of chicken wings, which we call kanat, increases.
00:31:52Why? Picnic season comes. Because picnic
00:31:55season has come, companies sell chicken wings at a higher
00:31:58price to make a little profit. This happens every summer.
00:32:02This year, summer came, we conducted an operation,
00:32:05this time, all the chicken flew, not just the wings. 500 lira chicken.
00:32:09He says 500. Even the prosecutors tried to conduct an operation
00:32:12on the free-range chickens in the coop. What I'm trying to say
00:32:16here, I'm saying it as a whole,
00:32:19that the relevant expert organizations should investigate.
00:32:23For example, the Competition Authority. This morning, what happened? Vegetables,
00:32:27an operation was carried out in the vegetable market,
00:32:30in its distribution. On the distribution of the vegetable market,
00:32:33on its intermediaries. The relevant expert organizations,
00:32:36I mean, there is the Ministry of Commerce, there is the Ministry of Industry,
00:32:40there is the Ministry of Agriculture, there is the Competition Authority.
00:32:43Relevant
00:32:45expert organizations and relevant expert individuals should investigate
00:32:49and investigate, and they will say financial crime, financial penalty.
00:32:53They should investigate those and first
00:32:56impose financial penalties, or say, "There's something wrong here, this needs to be fixed."
00:32:59This whole thing.
00:33:03But this doesn't only happen in this market. We are starting to experience this
00:33:06in all markets in Turkey. What we see is that the prosecutor's office
00:33:10steps in, says "I found it," an operation, handcuffs,
00:33:14take them inside. Now we're talking about IMM. It's a good
00:33:17case, IMM. What do we say? The Istanbul
00:33:21Metropolitan Municipality was investigated for years
00:33:25by Interior Ministry inspectors.
00:33:27The prosecutor's office found what the Interior Ministry
00:33:30inspectors didn't. Now,
00:33:33if our prosecutors are so expert
00:33:36in every field, then let's abolish
00:33:40the Competition Authority, let's abolish the Ministry of Commerce,
00:33:43it's useless to have a Ministry of Commerce.
00:33:53Let's even abolish the Treasury, let our prosecutors investigate
00:33:55taxes as well, and then it becomes a crime. That's what's happening.
00:33:59Now, this will take
00:34:03Turkey to another place. Look, I'm warning you sincerely,
00:34:06this will take Turkey to another place.
00:34:10I graduated from the
00:34:13Faculty of Economics, Department of Finance. I have knowledge about taxes
00:34:16and for about 10 years, I worked as a researcher
00:34:20on the stock exchange and capital markets, just as a researcher.
00:34:23I worked as a researcher, just a researcher.
00:34:26I did research on markets,
00:34:30taxes, and finance. I still,
00:34:32even now, in my own field,
00:34:36I'm still searching for many things, saying, "Teacher, there's
00:34:40something like this, I couldn't solve it. What is it?"
00:34:44That's gone. "Right now,
00:34:47in our judicial system, prosecutors know everything
00:34:50on their own. And friend, you're handcuffing people, and three
00:34:54days later, the cost of that is 86
00:34:58million, and you start paying for it. Now I ask,
00:35:01in IMM, why weren't the Interior Ministry's
00:35:04civil inspectors detained? Why
00:35:07weren't they arrested? Why? Because
00:35:10they couldn't find any of the corruptions that the prosecutor
00:35:13alleged. So, the Interior Ministry's inspectors, the civil
00:35:17inspectors, did not do their job. All the Interior
00:35:20Ministry inspectors who investigated the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality
00:35:23should be subjected to an operation today. Why? If the prosecutor found
00:35:27and investigated it, and said there was corruption,
00:35:30you were in charge of investigating this, why didn't you find
00:35:33it? Why didn't you catch it? Why didn't you warn about it?
00:35:37So, did you turn a blind eye? I repeat,
00:35:40as Abdülkadir Selvi wrote, he says, "Murat Gül Ibrahimoğlu
00:35:43smuggled 400 million dollars abroad on his private plane."
00:35:47My friend, you cannot leave the country with more than 10,000
00:35:50dollars in cash, and you cannot
00:35:53enter another country. Bayırcan is good at this, because
00:35:57they lie very, very
00:36:00easily. I will scream, because they lie so easily, so shamelessly,
00:36:03so comfortably,
00:36:06to the public segment they face,
00:36:10what level of intelligence do they see that they lie so comfortably,
00:36:14saying, 'then civil aviation, customs
00:36:17police, how was it taken?' How was it taken? Those who condoned
00:36:20it, those who allowed that money to be carried on the plane,
00:36:23those police, those customs officers, civil aviation.
00:36:27Why don't you conduct an operation? Why don't you conduct an operation against the Ministry of Interior's
00:36:31civil inspectors? They didn't see anything.
00:36:34Now I'm coming back to the vegetables and fruits. You conducted an operation on chicken,
00:36:38prices exploded. They conducted an operation on chicken wings, the entire chicken
00:36:42exploded. Yes, the entire thing exploded. There's
00:36:45a problem here. As we say, everything has its expert.
00:36:49They arrested the company managers in the chicken industry, but
00:36:53there's a market there. People think they also arrested the company owners.
00:36:57"They arrested the company owners, they even invited foreigners
00:37:00and such. One company produces chicken.
00:37:04That's not how it works. It's an ecosystem.
00:37:06Supply. There are other farms
00:37:10for chickens, right? They have suppliers. Only the processing and
00:37:13branding, the ones who put the brand on, those
00:37:16companies. Therefore, it's not
00:37:18right to hold a single person responsible.
00:37:22It passed somehow. In
00:37:24Tatdada, only but for example,"
00:37:31in this case, the situation is a bit
00:37:34different. How? Because there's a market law here.
00:37:38Therefore, in Turkey, fruits and vegetables
00:37:41from the producer can be purchased
00:37:45through markets or
00:37:47large markets can purchase from
00:37:50suppliers without bringing
00:37:53the goods to the market. Who enabled that? Was it
00:38:052012 or 2013? Those years, of course.
00:38:08Fruit and vegetable prices are determined
00:38:11by the free market system there.
00:38:15Then costs are added. Therefore, if this is food,
00:38:18teacher, it's food. If the issue in food
00:38:21is fruits and vegetables that don't enter the market, why don't they enter?
00:38:25Because you
00:38:37are taking organic, whatever, those
00:38:41goods that should enter the market and contribute to price
00:38:43formation, they directly
00:38:47source them
00:38:50from the producer. I didn't do this,
00:38:53this is an economic commentary. Yes.
00:39:02My friend and I have been making a program on Medyascope
00:39:06for years, and we have constantly talked about
00:39:10this. Therefore, in this system, as the amount of
00:39:13fruits and vegetables entering the market decreases,
00:39:16meaning as supply decreases, prices in the market
00:39:20increase. It becomes a benchmark price.
00:39:23Yes, for example, this is one
00:39:27reason. Other than that, what kind of accusation
00:39:30are these people facing? When you send products through intermediaries to the market, a price
00:39:34is formed there, you say. A price is formed in the market, but
00:39:36when you
00:39:38prevent
00:39:41goods from entering there, the supply
00:39:44decreases. Therefore, prices in the market increase, and
00:39:48unfortunately, the market price
00:39:50becomes the benchmark price across the country. Is there no such system in the world?
00:39:54Are we the first ones to do this? It's like this everywhere, I mean, fruits and vegetables
00:39:57have a method of reaching the consumer. Prices don't rise like this anywhere else, so what's happening with us?
00:40:01Now, I won't say
00:40:04why this law came out, people will probably
00:40:07immediately question why it came out.
00:40:10Let them open up companies and look. There are cheap markets,
00:40:14there are supermarkets against grocery stores,
00:40:17there are discount markets, discount markets, right? Direct
00:40:21to the producer. You also said something, you opened it in Antalya
00:40:25at 98. Two days later, it will be 100 lira. Can you give the prices
00:40:28to my friends? It will be 100 lira. What will you do about that? Now, 100 lira
00:40:32for diesel, it's already happening. Will it be 100 lira
00:40:35for diesel? Will it be 90 lira for milk? And the roads
00:40:39are tolled. Now, last
00:40:42lira for ground meat. Will it be 1200 lira
00:40:46for ground meat? Will it, teacher? Will a toast be 150 lira at school?
00:40:49It's not just one thing. Your problem
00:40:53is that the Turkish Lira is under so much pressure, and we are also importing.
00:40:56It shouldn't be cheap. You're paying 23,552
00:41:00liras, you're paying 28,000. Let's say 30, 40, 50,000 liras.
00:41:03But I will report to the Ministry of Justice.
00:41:07The Turkish Lira is valuable, so
00:41:10imports are cheap. Despite this, there is also permission for imports
00:41:14for red meat.
00:41:17Despite this, prices are going up,
00:41:20not down. And for example, no operation is being carried out on red meat.
00:41:24Now they will say, "I am buying diesel at an increased price. I am giving
00:41:28the most expensive diesel in the world, putting it in my truck,
00:41:31and bringing it." The other one will say, "I am a farmer,
00:41:35diesel costs, fertilizer also comes from Ormuz, and its prices have increased." The animal breeders
00:41:38will say, "Its feed is expensive, this is expensive, that is expensive,
00:41:41it doesn't cover the cost." They will say, "You are importing."
00:41:45The import rate of meat we buy from Brazil
00:41:49has reached 70%. We are buying cattle.
00:41:52Let me tell you something, if they are thinking so much about this,
00:41:56they should also look after the producers. They give a floor price of 270 lira,
00:41:59250 lira for hazelnuts, but they don't buy it.
00:42:02When they don't buy it, the citizens
00:42:05give it. If they buy it, yes, in some
00:42:09regions... since insects entered, there are no
00:42:11hazelnuts. Of course, the stink bug is our
00:42:15problem, the Black Sea's problem. But
00:42:17there's fertilizer for this business, there are laborers for this business.
00:42:21Aren't these costs? You don't calculate any costs there,
00:42:25but you set the prices yourself. I mean, I'm not
00:42:28defending the wholesalers or these intermediaries.
00:42:31Prices cannot be lowered
00:42:34like this, food security
00:42:37cannot be ensured like this. This would create a black market
00:42:40economy. Right? And people will withdraw. They will no longer
00:42:44they won't produce.
00:42:47They won't distribute. They'll say, "Oh, I can't be bothered with you,"
00:42:50and withdraw. They won't invest.
00:42:53They won't invest. I'll give my capital
00:42:56to some portfolio that yields a certain percentage
00:43:00of interest anyway, or a thousandth. I'll get by with that. If not,
00:43:03I have a house, I have gold, he'll say. When interest rates
00:43:06drop, I'll go to my house, I'll go for gold,
00:43:10I'll buy those. Soon, these industrial enterprises that are closing down
00:43:13will also be affected. "Why did you close down? Why did you lay off these people?"
00:43:17A giant textile giant,
00:43:21Anadolu Group, Anadolu Textile, Textile,
00:43:24produces denim fabric for jeans manufacturers,
00:43:28for major global brands. It has 1500
00:43:31employees, a very old company, of course, a 73-year-old company.
00:43:35It closed its factories. Can you imagine,
00:43:38it's closing this down. As they say, both bald and
00:43:42boastful, that's our economic management. Textile, sir, low added
00:43:45value. Okay, we know that. Am I crazy? I also
00:43:49know that high added value is important, but is there
00:43:52currently a sector that can provide employment in Turkey
00:43:56as important as this one? I know that. But is now the time to ask
00:44:00this? Is now the time? What will 1500 people
00:44:02do? They say they will give them their rights, but
00:44:05after that? Is it based on a ready offering? That's
00:44:08one of them. It has an ecosystem, it has suppliers around it,
00:44:12it has this and that, of course. There are people who shop there,
00:44:16what will happen to the people who keep the economy alive? All of them right now, I mean,
00:44:20what will happen in a few years? Let's just get through today. Well, as an economist, I don't really
00:44:23like construction, but for the past two years,
00:44:27I've been looking for construction, teacher. The latest
00:44:31price sharing by the Union of Turkish Chambers of Agriculture, the producer, market
00:44:35and wholesale prices were like this. For example, from the producer,
00:44:37lemon goes up to 10 and comes to the market at 43 lira.
00:44:41They probably look at what happens while it comes to the market. But it's good
00:44:44if it stays in the market, from the market to the grocery store. But as far as I know,
00:44:48in the market, it's about supply
00:44:51and demand. It
00:44:54works like this. The producer will say, "I'm already producing
00:44:57at a very low price." The distributor will say, "I'm buying this
00:45:01and distributing it to the market." The market will say, "There are losses, there's competition."
00:45:05The grocery store will say, "I have rent, I have water, I have electricity, I have staff."
00:45:08And there will be elections in the coming
00:45:12period. They will make minimum wage increases. All of these
00:45:15will automatically go up. Like the Red Crescent, even the Red Crescent
00:45:19doesn't give tents for free, doesn't it sell them for money?
00:45:23There were such things
00:45:26during the Kahramanmaraş earthquake, you said "we're working for the Red Crescent,"
00:45:29as in "are we making a donation?" But
00:45:32even the Red Crescent, even the Red Crescent
00:45:36sells tents. It doesn't even do business,
00:45:40of course. I mean, we buy mineral water and stuff to generate income,
00:45:44but tents are a bit strange,
00:45:58people also have a business. I
00:46:01am not very supportive of such direct
00:46:05intervention issues. Especially, you scare away
00:46:08investment, and it doesn't solve anything.
00:46:11The solution to these issues is not through the prosecutor's office,
00:46:14these issues cannot be solved through the police.
00:46:17These issues will only disrupt the markets
00:46:20further. The solution to these issues lies with the relevant
00:46:23expert institutions. For example, let's say they are conducting an operation on the stock market. No,
00:46:27brother, the Capital Markets Board said, for example, that this person
00:46:31is doing such and such manipulation, and it imposed a penalty on him. For example,
00:46:35let's say 25 million, 50 million in penalties
00:46:38are imposed as
00:46:40penalties, because economic crime calls for economic punishment.
00:46:43But if judicial action was needed,
00:46:46the Capital Markets Board and upon the request
00:46:49of the Capital Markets Board, such a thing would go
00:46:53with its reports. Now, you're conducting an operation on the stock market,
00:46:57then an operation on chicken meat, an operation on onions,
00:47:00brother, an operation on onions and potatoes, an operation on vegetables.
00:47:03Look, we're taking the country somewhere else. We've been saying
00:47:06for 20 years, for 20 years, that the difference
00:47:10between field price and shelf price cannot be explained,
00:47:13and that these are serious problems. We've been explaining
00:47:15it. Why did they establish agricultural credit cooperatives?
00:47:19To prevent people from being crushed by the difference between shelf price and field price.
00:47:22They tried to take measures, but they used the wrong method,
00:47:26they did the wrong thing. As a result, it loses
00:47:295-6 billion a year. It loses money. Well, why
00:47:33is the agricultural credit cooperative's field price
00:47:36so cheap, I'll tell you. Carrots are 10 lira in the field.
00:47:40How much are they on the shelf? 50 lira. Why doesn't the agricultural credit cooperative
00:47:44buy them for 10 lira from the field and sell them for 30 lira instead of 50?
00:47:48It would make a profit. Why doesn't it do these things? The solution
00:48:06there's a reference price, right? The headline
00:48:09price. When you go to the villager, he doesn't give it to you for 10 lira.
00:48:13He tells you 84 lira, he gives you the market price.
00:48:16What is 84? Teacher, we are on the same
00:48:19path, the same path. There's also
00:48:24we're on the same path, look. August
00:48:27in Samsun, the Çarşamba Plain, Bafra Çarşamba Plain is where watermelon
00:48:31grows. It ripens later, so it comes out around
00:48:35late July, August. The watermelons there.
00:48:38I'm not talking about this year, a previous year.
00:48:40Watermelon in Istanbul. I'll give one year as an example because after that,
00:48:44I stopped buying. In Istanbul, watermelon
00:48:47price was 50 kuruş, while in Çarşamba,
00:48:50I stopped by the roadside.
00:48:53"I bought about 3 or 4 watermelons, put them in the car, and after
00:48:57that, I asked the price. He said 2.5 lira.
00:49:0080 kuruş in Istanbul, 50 kuruş in Çarşamba,
00:49:032.5 lira by the roadside," I said. So, all
00:49:07roadside sellers in Turkey are in another
00:49:10world. There is no "from producer to consumer" sales.
00:49:13Go to Terme rice, for example, there is Terme
00:49:17rice. Along the road,
00:49:20or somewhere else, let me tell you about another product. The man says that he imported
00:49:24Ispir beans, I don't know how many tons, from Central Asia.
00:49:28You're talking about Ispir beans, how can it be from Central Asia? He says
00:49:31that in Terme, he imported
00:49:34I don't know how many tons of Terme rice from Russia.
00:49:37Both price and quality and inspection,
00:49:40these roadside sellers, from farmer to consumer, I wish
00:49:44they would sell. They are another sector, and a higher
00:49:47priced sector. They don't have rent,
00:50:19are unbalanced, for example, actually all sectors in Turkey.
00:50:23Sir, they make bulgur meatballs for children in the canteen.
00:50:26Bulgur meatballs, you grind hazelnuts into hazelnut powder. You grind hazelnuts
00:50:30into hazelnut powder, they add chickpeas to hazelnut powder. They dry
00:50:34and add peas to pistachios. We also
00:50:37have lentils.
00:50:40We have 100 thousand mosques, but
00:50:44our morality is problematic. How can so much immorality spread
00:50:48in a country with 100,000 mosques? How can so much immorality
00:50:51spread in trade? How can so much
00:50:54immorality in the economy or in other areas spread so much?
00:50:57We fundamentally need to look at ourselves
00:51:01in terms of our belief inquiry and belief method.
00:51:04You go out into the street, the street,
00:51:07Turkey's streets, rivers, seas, everywhere
00:51:10is dirt, in dirt. How can there be
00:51:13so much dirt in a country whose fundamental
00:51:16belief is based on cleanliness? I don't just
00:51:20have to question this, our imams
00:51:23also have to question this, our Diyanet
00:51:27also has to question this. How can so much traffic-related
00:51:30immorality spread in a country with 100,000 mosques, where people can leave their cars
00:51:33in the middle of the road, turn on their hazard lights and block traffic,
00:51:37or park on the pavement, or occupy any fundamental
00:51:40rights of citizens? The Diyanet also needs to ask itself this.
00:51:44We need to ask ourselves everything. We say 20-30% chickpea
00:51:48powder to hazelnut powder. Why
00:51:52is hazelnut powder 100 lira and chickpea powder 100-150
00:51:54lira? In the past, a few years
00:51:57ago, they used to add gelatin
00:52:01to yogurt to make it look like clotted cream. Short break. Turkey's
00:52:20energy and fuse
00:52:24Orbus.
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01:00:24We continue, we are in the second hour.
01:00:27Political scientist Barış Övgün is also with us, welcome. Good morning, thank
01:00:30you very much, good morning. We just talked about dried nuts,
01:00:33there is an image, we are going
01:00:37with a very heavy agenda, I said let's start the second
01:00:40hour with such an image for you. Now, X countries
01:00:44are holding a summit in New Delhi, the capital
01:00:47of India. In this summit,
01:00:50Iran's President
01:00:53Pezeshkian is giving a speech. While
01:00:57he is giving that speech, new.