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00:00:31I said let me start the second hour with such a scene to you. Now 1x countries
00:00:34are having a summit
00:00:38in New Delhi, the capital of India,
00:00:40uh at this summit,
00:00:42uh Iranian
00:00:46President Pezeshkian is giving a speech, while he is giving
00:00:49the speech, uh the new
00:00:53Indian Jaswal is listening to
00:00:56him, but he is listening like this, look at the picture in the background?" "
00:01:04He is eating something, that something is dried nuts, there are dried nuts
00:01:07in front of him, but if you look at his
00:01:09fingers, he is eating hungrily, eating hungrily,
00:01:13there are also BRICS countries at the summit, so this is another
00:01:17person, right behind Putin,
00:01:20all of these are the foreign ministers of the BRICS countries,
00:01:23so they are behind the leaders in terms of their positions,
00:01:27there are boxes in front of them. There are snacks
00:01:30in the boxes, uh, for example,
00:01:34the Indian uh
00:01:37foreign minister spokesperson eats these snacks quite a lot,
00:01:40then the box is almost finished,
00:01:43he licks his fingers and all, as you can see, then
00:01:46he gathers, I mean, dried nuts that make you lick your fingers
00:01:50are also very expensive in our country, an officer comes and takes
00:01:54the snack box, then
00:01:57it was even talked about on social media, uh
00:02:01protocol intervention and so on,
00:02:04bureaucratic diplomatic intervention, it was talked about
00:02:07quite a lot, diplomatic intervention to dried nuts,
00:02:10then when the snack was taken from in front of him,
00:02:14he went to another box and started eating
00:02:18those. So dried nuts are expensive in our country and quite delicious, I like them very
00:02:21much too, but these images, this hungry eating and
00:02:25the images of licking
00:02:28fingers
00:02:44had photos with government officials. another news on our haktevi.com, that news,
00:02:47uh, if you eat these dried nuts and drink water on top of them,
00:02:51don't buy water from our airports, 380 liras for a
00:02:55bottle of water at the airport, one
00:02:58bottle of water is 380.
00:03:00The smallest water, the smallest one,
00:03:04is sold for 380 liras at the airport, so this water,
00:03:08for example, what is known on social media is that the perpetrator
00:03:11is known, everything is known, the cost of water is known,
00:03:14there is no intermediary, so if water sold for 30 liras,
00:03:1825-30 liras on intercity roads, is sold for 380 liras at the airport,
00:03:21the reason is actually known, but the water we buy is also expensive,
00:03:25but the expensiveness at the airport has gone to another level,
00:03:29another level, it has gone to
00:03:41you said you bought hazelnuts for how much earlier, 1050 liras,
00:03:44ha hazelnuts are vacuum-sealed,
00:03:47uh, we think 10 times when we eat them, so the state pays 150 liras
00:03:50in the garden, 170 liras and so on, but
00:03:54think of it as 50% yield, the inside of
00:03:58that hazelnut roasted. They sell it shelled, yours is shelled,
00:04:01170 liras hazelnuts, say 350 liras,
00:04:05no, the cost of cracked
00:04:09is 350 liras, say 350 liras hazelnuts,
00:04:12there is no waste either. Now in vegetables, it's like this,
00:04:15you bought vegetables, for example, you bought lettuce
00:04:19or another vegetable product, tomatoes and so on,
00:04:22there will be waste, it will rot, wear out,
00:04:26some of it, 20%, 30%, they did studies to reduce the waste rate for a while.
00:04:31There is waste in vegetables, but there is no waste in hazelnuts, so Mehmet Şimşek
00:04:34says 350 liras, high value-added
00:04:38product, so you are talking about 350 liras hazelnuts, 1050 liras.
00:04:42We used to have cheap seeds, but even that is very expensive now,
00:04:52is that the responsible officer in the hall
00:04:55takes it and takes it away,
00:04:59then he looks. "He goes and takes the other thing,
00:05:02takes the plate, continues to eat from there, the foreign minister spokesperson
00:05:05of India, such a scene, we just
00:05:08announced the price increases, 100 liras for diesel,
00:05:11so 660." When there was an increase of 2 liras and 62 kuruş, all of a sudden,
00:05:15there are screens showing 98 liras, 97 liras,
00:05:19and when those screens show 100 liras, you know
00:05:22that the pump screen for 50-53
00:05:26doesn't take the number, so they need to be updated
00:05:29with a cost of 225 million liras,
00:05:33so it doesn't fit in our pockets, nor does it fit on the pump
00:05:36screens of gas stations, so what a nice optimism there was in May,
00:05:40right? 50 liras were being talked about, 50 dollars.
00:05:43Now there are people saying 150, 150 dollars, today it's on the front page of Milliyet,
00:05:47500 billion dollars to the world, but the cost of oil is 100
00:05:51billion dollars for us, yes, yes, 100 billion
00:05:54dollars is ours, I think a few days
00:05:57ago, there were bombings
00:06:00in Saudi Arabia, the Houthis hit the refinery
00:06:04in August, Saudi Arabia closed the east-west line,
00:06:08so these oil prices, in our medium-term program,
00:06:12how much? 80 dollars? Something like that,
00:06:15I mean, for the targets to be met,
00:06:28the first price increases of the new year are being calculated,
00:06:32when the October inflation is announced in November,
00:06:35the revaluation rate will emerge, and people have started calculating
00:06:38how much taxes, fees, and penalties will increase. Passport abroad.
00:07:12The president spoke so well on television, didn't
00:07:16he? The fee was abolished, right? He used to compare old
00:07:20Turkey and new Turkey, saying that you could go abroad for free.
00:07:22Uh, now no one is mentioning these
00:07:261580 liras. So it's back, and the price is increasing.
00:07:30The e-mail registration fee is 69,000, so the mobile phone registration fee is coming to
00:07:3469,000 liras right now. Uh, praying is cheaper
00:07:38with this registration fee. From abroad,
00:07:41this registration fee, this new
00:07:53the lowest radar fine is 2,543 liras.
00:07:57We will pay motor vehicle tax 7-7, 8-8,
00:08:00dividing it in two, it approaches 16,000.
00:08:04The most common, best-selling vehicle inspection fee is 4,181 liras.
00:08:08You will have your vehicle inspected, you will make an appointment, you will wait in line,
00:08:11and then you will pay
00:08:1681 liras. Otherwise, you cannot drive. Stamp duty, people file declarations every month,
00:08:20the stamp duty is 1.5 liras, the first income tax bracket also goes up
00:08:24to 240,000
00:08:26liras, price increases are expected
00:08:30for natural gas and electricity in October, we haven't talked about
00:08:33those at all, now how will inflation fall, let's see,
00:08:36only electricity prices for industry have increased,
00:08:39electricity prices have increased, let's say that too. So that
00:08:43there is no misunderstanding, the Minister of Justice will then go and calculate
00:08:47the prices for industrialists at household rates,
00:08:51currently industry is working with increased
00:08:53prices, so our price increases never end,
00:08:57we pay increased prices for diesel, overseas fees, taxes,
00:09:00penalties are increased, our vegetables, fruits, meat, milk
00:09:03are expensive, our transportation is expensive, our service is expensive,
00:09:07our toast is expensive, the child's meal,
00:09:10they give daily paid meals in public schools.
00:09:12290, what is this child eating for 290 liras daily, you get 502,000 liras annually,
00:09:16no, we will buy cleaning supplies, we will buy soap,
00:09:19we will paint the school, we will paint the classroom, give 2,000
00:09:23liras, 1500 liras, but the minister said there is no such thing,
00:09:26although all Ministers of National Education
00:09:30make catalogue announcements at the beginning of the term,
00:09:33they say "come to me," right? So if there are complaints,
00:09:37tell us, no school can buy these, you are not cleaning the school,
00:09:41toilet paper for the school.
00:09:49Then you tell the citizens
00:09:51not to donate, they don't want donations from you, what should I do, not buy toilet paper
00:09:55for my child? I will buy it. The municipality wants to clean the school,
00:09:58right? There were such things in Ankara Municipality and Istanbul
00:10:02Municipality too, they don't allow that either.
00:10:05They say let's put water, they took the friend
00:10:08in Beyoğlu Municipality inside. So he
00:10:10couldn't put water. Mr. Fatih Kacır, Minister of Industry and Technology,
00:10:14announced that Turkey will launch its first vehicle to the moon in 2007.
00:10:17Uh I mean,
00:10:30are aiming to be the 9th country for the moon mission,
00:10:34but we are not sending the rocket,
00:10:37no, this is a domestically produced vehicle, approximately 3.5,
00:10:41but we are producing a vehicle.
00:10:45We will put that vehicle on the missile, so we will send our first
00:10:48vehicle, we will send cargo, we will use the vehicle
00:10:52or we will send our vehicle by cargo,
00:11:01about fuel prices,
00:11:04or about high prices, for example, they increased fuel prices by 40%
00:11:08in Syria, and the Syrians took to the streets,
00:11:12this disturbed us very much, St. Petersburg is also on its feet
00:11:15because Russia increased prices, this disturbed us very much.
00:11:19How can Syrians take to the streets
00:11:22against fuel prices or high cost of living?
00:11:25How can you react against the government? This caused serious
00:11:28discomfort in government circles, because for people,
00:11:31for civil society to take to the streets,
00:11:34to protest, to complain about high prices,
00:11:38these are not acceptable or approvable events.
00:11:42Syrians should know their place, go home, sit down,
00:11:4540% increase, whatever, that's from international
00:11:49markets, we are Syria, I mean, the Syrian government
00:11:53has nothing to do with it, it's entirely from international
00:11:56markets, so the Syrian people don't know this,
00:11:59and because they don't know, they went out and protested out of clumsiness,
00:12:03the price of diesel, is it in Syria, yes,
00:12:07I mean, in America, 6
00:12:10gasoline, I don't know, 6 liras, but
00:12:13it increased by 40%, 6 dollars, and the citizens,
00:12:17Syrians, this is also Russia, Saint Petersburg, uh, gasoline
00:12:20queue, oh my god, there is trouble there, there is scarcity
00:12:24there, there is war, you know. Because they hit the refinery,
00:12:28with Ukraine, they are trying to lift
00:12:30it mutually, they are trying not to hit
00:12:33the refinery mutually, that's why there is a fuel shortage,
00:12:36there is crude oil, but there is a refinery shortage, exactly.
00:12:40There are gasoline queues, scarcity there, there is a problem, to get gasoline,
00:12:44uh, kilometers of queues have formed, there is a problem everywhere in the world,
00:12:47but on the one hand, for example, we talk about defense industry, these technologies,
00:12:50the future, on the one hand, we get stuck here, people
00:12:54with this salary. Uh, how will they live
00:12:58with these price increases, how will you reduce inflation, we will talk
00:13:01more about the defense industry, that's how we will live,
00:13:05so we will put aside the things that are going bad
00:13:08in Turkey, and instead
00:13:11we will boast about drones,
00:13:15UAVs, I don't know, our successes in the defense industry,
00:13:18sending vehicles to the moon and so on,
00:13:21uh, we will tolerate this, this is important.
00:13:24"While wanting to live here, we get stuck, I mean, we get stuck
00:13:28on toast, we get stuck on buying toast for the child,
00:13:32of course, for example, schools opened yesterday,
00:13:35right? We still can't provide lunch
00:13:39for children, uh, and our minister says
00:13:42that it's necessary, but it's not the time,
00:13:46I don't know when it will be the time, I mean, this
00:13:49uh, it's not very possible to understand that,
00:13:52you know, in economics, everything is a matter of preference."
00:13:55Uh, so the Ministry of National Education or
00:13:59the government has more important preferences or places to spend money,
00:14:02children are not that important,
00:14:05prestige cannot be saved. I will now turn to the economy in the next hour slot
00:14:09because there is a formula being discussed to increase retirement
00:14:13pensions, but that formula has been there for a long time,
00:14:16but I'm confused, is it a citizen's salary or a retirement pension,
00:14:28and economic news, but what will happen
00:14:31with these retirement pensions,
00:14:35what kind of formula is being worked on, will it satisfy our retirees,
00:14:49us citizens are dealing with these, what will I cook for dinner,
00:14:53you brought it up a lot. Let me remind you so that the public doesn't misunderstand,
00:14:57this, you know, in the previous elections, it was
00:15:00the Republican People's Party's uh, thing,
00:15:04uh, I mean, it's not entirely like this,
00:15:07but it was a project that could correspond to this,
00:15:10let's talk about it then. So, uh, Mr. Barış,
00:15:14if you hear us, please contribute, instead of increasing the base salary
00:15:18of retirement pensions, there is a base salary of 23,552
00:15:20liras, and there is also a root salary, let's not
00:15:24deal with these, an income
00:15:27insurance model based on the total income of the household, so let's determine a certain amount
00:15:31for a household, income should not fall below that,
00:15:35so the lowest income entering a household should be determined, that is already the minimum
00:15:38wage. The salary you pay, a certain amount of monthly income for the household
00:15:41should be taken under state guarantee, uh, in the medium-term program,
00:15:45the state's retirement payments, scholarships, and social assistance, which includes transfer
00:15:48expenditures, actually gives a signal, there is
00:15:51a 33.1% increase in 2027, the economy
00:15:54newspaper wrote this, uh, I mean, it says
00:15:58there is such an increase in the budget in retirement pensions,
00:16:02in social assistance, uh, an increase is foreseen,
00:16:06this is about retirement pensions. bringing them to a certain level,
00:16:10combining social assistance and guaranteeing
00:16:13the salary that every household will receive, that every retiree will receive,
00:16:16a model like this is being worked on, uh, on the one hand, there was
00:16:20also a debate about food and rent assistance for retirees,
00:16:23retirement is not such an assistance model,
00:16:26this is not related to retirement pension,
00:16:29I mean, retiree, I will not pay this
00:16:33to retirees, instead of that, it should not turn into a right,
00:16:37uh, retirement pensions, instead of that,
00:16:41they propose a standard income that will cover everyone,
00:16:44retirees and non-retirees who have income,
00:16:47uh, is that the model, I mean, should I understand it that way,
00:16:51should I not associate it with retirement? I didn't understand it that way,
00:16:55I mean, it has nothing to do with retirement, but in public,
00:16:58uh, it is being done that way, there is nothing concrete anyway,
00:17:02in public, uh, they are making
00:17:05the situation complicated here, as far as I understand."
00:17:08With less cost, they are trying
00:17:11to achieve more returns,
00:17:15uh, that's what I understood, uh,
00:17:18frankly, your retirement pension is not enough, below that income,
00:17:22the state will probably cover the difference, but while doing this,
00:17:25families will also include
00:17:29the aid they receive from different places, these transfer payments
00:17:32will be included in it, which is already
00:17:36from other sources.
00:17:45Therefore, this will put less burden on the treasury,
00:17:49that's the impression I get, I mean, I don't understand
00:17:52anything, the low
00:17:56retirement pensions don't explain
00:17:59anything, I mean, people have a right, don't they, we pay
00:18:03premiums, therefore, these retirement
00:18:06pensions. Why are they taking it as a transfer payment? I don't understand,
00:18:10I mean, retirement pension, social assistance, retirees are not
00:18:13a state's, on the contrary,
00:18:17it's the citizen's past
00:18:20work, uh, it's a transfer
00:18:23made by the citizen to the future,
00:18:26it's the citizen's money, so I hope this doesn't cover retirees,
00:18:30because retirement is not a point where you give aid, retirement is a
00:18:33right, people pay premiums for years
00:18:36to have their old age. "They will take it away from you,
00:18:39I didn't understand this model either, I didn't understand rent and food assistance either,
00:18:43retirees don't want assistance, retirees worked and want their rights,
00:18:46that's what I said, actually, I think
00:18:50it's not correct that retirees' own
00:18:54money is taken, they pay into the insurance fund,
00:18:57they don't want assistance, I mean,
00:19:01but in Turkey, uh, I guess public
00:19:04administrators are doing this, for retirees,
00:19:07as if they are giving it from their own pockets, there is no such
00:19:11impression, but as a matter of principle, retirement pension
00:19:15is something I put aside while working, thinking about
00:19:18my future, if there was a private uh, insurance fund
00:19:22in Turkey like in America or a retirement fund like in Europe,
00:19:26uh, the state doesn't get involved in this at all,
00:19:29the problem here is actually
00:19:32because the system was designed incorrectly, therefore,
00:19:36uh, my retirement money
00:19:39or my salary cannot be replaced
00:19:42by this, they are not the same things,
00:19:45the discussion in public, discussing it this way,
00:19:49seems wrong to me, this is probably a family income
00:19:52insurance model that does not cover retirees, but we don't know yet,
00:19:55as far as I know, the minister will present this
00:19:58within the party, there is still no explanation,
00:20:01it has been debated for 3 days,
00:20:19of the promises made by the CHP in the 2023
00:20:21elections, later it was updated
00:20:25and brought to the agenda within the framework of the Presidential
00:20:28Candidates Office, and it was one of the election promises
00:20:31and it still exists, both family income insurance
00:20:35and citizenship income. Actually, this is one
00:20:39of the conventions and articles of the International Labor Organization,
00:20:42what is said here is this: not individual salary,
00:20:45family income should be the basis, and family income
00:20:49should be... "If the minimum wage or the poverty line determined
00:20:53by the state is below
00:20:55a family's income, that amount needs
00:20:58to be covered by the state, otherwise it has nothing to do
00:21:02with retirement and the retirement model. Of course, there are different
00:21:06practices applied by states here. Some states take the minimum
00:21:09wage as a basis, and some states
00:21:13take the poverty line as a basis. Here, if the family's
00:21:16income is below the poverty line or as I pointed out earlier.
00:21:20If it is below the wage, the state directly
00:21:23provides aid to this family, this is actually an election
00:21:27promise made within this model.
00:21:29If it's below 28,000 liras, for example, teacher,
00:21:32what you said is not poverty, it's probably hunger,
00:21:36poverty is 110,000, is it 120 now for Turkey,
00:21:40yes, I mean, Mr. İbrahim, this would be extremely difficult
00:21:43to apply for Turkey, it is applied as a poverty line in some countries.
00:21:47Now, yes, applying poverty
00:21:51in Turkey can go to completely different places, this is a choice,
00:21:54so a choice made by a state, hunger line, poverty line,
00:21:58or minimum wage, now, if we consider
00:22:01that a very significant portion of the society in Turkey earns below the minimum wage,
00:22:05that's why how this figure will be determined
00:22:08can also emerge as a fundamental question, maybe
00:22:12a base below the minimum wage can be determined again,
00:22:15so this could be a model unique to Turkey. Teacher, we are constantly talking about price increases,
00:22:19uh... We have been giving news of price increases since morning,
00:22:22of course, with global developments, everywhere is
00:22:26in a strange tension because we are also
00:22:29affected by it. For example, right now, on the front page of Evrensel
00:22:32newspaper, there is such a news:
00:22:36uh, I mean,
00:22:38the number of children experiencing poverty and social exclusion
00:22:42has increased to 36.8%, it says. For example,
00:22:45uh, the rate of those living
00:22:48in unhealthy houses with leaking roofs and damp
00:22:52walls is 28.8%,
00:22:54it says. Nuclear family poverty
00:22:57has exceeded 32%, approaching 33%, it says.
00:23:01Uh, continuous
00:23:03poverty in the population is 13.6%,
00:23:07again a large, I mean, continuous poverty at 13.6% is a high figure.
00:23:11If you don't educate these children, the number and rate of those remaining in continuous poverty
00:23:14will increase even more.
00:23:18So, when you look at it this way, uh, these are very high rates,
00:23:2156%,
00:23:25a rate of 4%, uh,
00:23:29I mean, the child says he is in debt,
00:23:32I mean, 56.4% of the population
00:23:52about this new system, the family insurance
00:23:55issue. Now, uh, if you are going to take the hunger line
00:23:58as a reference here, which I think it shouldn't be the hunger line
00:24:02but the poverty line in a country with an 18,000
00:24:06dollar per capita income, we already have it, we produce
00:24:1018,000 dollars, right? Spend, spend,
00:24:13uh and it even exceeded 19,
00:24:16teacher, that now minimum wage
00:24:20increases. Considering the current economic
00:24:23conditions, liras, teacher, let me tell you,
00:24:2637,388, yes,
00:24:29uh, if you take
00:24:32this as a reference, if you say you will give a minimum wage
00:24:36of 38,000, think about it from the perspective of the government,
00:24:39uh, can the industry and service sector sustain this in Turkey?
00:24:42They cannot. So the minimum wage
00:24:45increases and the margin
00:24:49that the state will give to industrialists or business people
00:24:52to make that increase is no longer there,
00:24:54there are no more tax exemptions,
00:24:58there is nowhere else to go. So,
00:25:01if you increase the minimum wage at a more reasonable
00:25:04rate of inflation and the state covers
00:25:07the difference, if you take this hunger
00:25:11line as a reference, you will probably cover it with
00:25:14family insurance, uh, that's what
00:25:18I think.
00:25:25How much do you think the minimum wage will be? Uh, 25%
00:25:28increase, it will be around 20%, it will be below
00:25:31inflation, uh, and that's how much, 35,000.
00:25:35the lira will reach around 35. It will still be
00:25:39below the hunger line. The union president
00:25:41says, "Why am I participating in these meetings?"
00:25:45"Yes, you are already making decisions, just make them." What
00:25:48else can that person do? How will these people live? I'm talking about 7-8 years
00:25:52ago, when the per capita income was $10,000.
00:25:55When the per capita income
00:25:58was $10,000, the minimum wage was more
00:26:01realistic. The purchasing power of food,
00:26:04which we call the hunger line for minimum wage
00:26:08earners or other incomes, was better than the current per capita income of $19,000.
00:26:12So, my national income increasing
00:26:15from $10,000 to $19,000
00:26:19means nothing to workers or citizens.
00:26:22Nothing, zero, zero.
00:26:25The broken system in Turkey is not about retirement. First
00:26:29of all, the truly broken system in Turkey is the working
00:26:32system. I mean, in a country where work
00:26:36is based on such low wages, such inefficiency, and such unnecessary
00:26:40exploitation of labor,
00:26:43in such a working system, we are discussing retirement.
00:26:47You saw the queue of paid teachers, right?
00:26:5020,000, of course, 20, 30 thousand lira. I mean,
00:26:53there are queues upon queues because we have distorted the demographic structure.
00:26:57Every province has a university. Everyone has a university degree.
00:27:01Call a plumber. Last week I called one. He charges 3,000
00:27:04lira for half an hour. For example, a plumber. It's normal. Why is it normal? Because
00:27:08it hit 2000. Because we left no one
00:27:11in that field. We made everyone unemployed with degrees.
00:27:14Not employed with degrees. We made them unemployed with degrees.
00:27:18Our children are getting diplomas. Yes, look,
00:27:21in this country, we say
00:27:24that operations are constantly carried out against the opposition,
00:27:27and the opposition is imprisoned, meaning they are thrown into
00:27:31jail. No, my friend,
00:27:34this alone does not express the truth. In this country,
00:27:37actually, 12 million people are imprisoned
00:27:41at home. We should consider those imprisoned
00:27:44at home as also being in prison. In fact, a large
00:27:47segment of this country, excluding about 7-8
00:27:51million people (meaning if you consider a population of over 86
00:27:54million), 80 million are condemned
00:27:57to lifelong poverty. So, our lifelong
00:28:01prison sentences are not given to murderers, but
00:28:04we have a population of 80 million
00:28:07condemned to lifelong poverty. They will remain poor for life,
00:28:11this is definite, definite information. It will be to the point of poverty.
00:28:14As an addition to what my professor told you a little while ago,
00:28:17let me tell you this: even if they give you 50,000
00:28:20lira minimum wage and 35-40,000 lira to pensioners
00:28:24during the election period, they are obliged to take
00:28:27it back immediately after the election. We are paying the bill
00:28:31for the 2023 election today. Another election will come,
00:28:34and they will give you a taste of honey again.
00:28:37They will take the honey back for 4 years, and more.
00:28:41Why? This country has a low capacity for technology production.
00:28:45We cannot increase technology production much.
00:28:48It has been like this since 2007. This country cannot increase added value productivity.
00:28:51What will happen if you make the minimum wage 50,000,
00:28:55or 70,000? More than half of the salaried
00:28:58employees will be fired because companies will go bankrupt.
00:29:03There is no productivity to support that wage. So why is there no productivity? No
00:29:06education. Why no education? With the concept of a university in every province,
00:29:10the country's field, imagine a field,
00:29:14you are farming, we have dried up the field, we
00:29:17have destroyed the field, we can no longer get produce from the field.
00:29:21When you can't get produce from the field,
00:29:23with a momentary monetary expansion for 3-5 months,
00:29:26a year, with a monetary expansion, taking a taste of honey,
00:29:30then... they have to take the honey back for 4 years.
00:29:34There is no lasting prosperity in the country, know this.
00:29:37I'm talking about $19,000, $20,000. Yesterday, Ömer Bolat also
00:29:41announced that we will reach 1.7 trillion dollars, we have arrived. Let me tell Ömer
00:29:45Bolat, if they don't know how to calculate, let me tell them, Turkey's national
00:29:48income has exceeded 1.7 trillion dollars. Hmm,
00:29:51but there is a target of 2.5 trillion dollars.
00:29:55I repeat, my national income was half
00:29:58of that, half of that, meaning 850.
00:30:09I repeat, it's not just the stock market that's inflated
00:30:13in Turkey. In the stock market, they make 10 lira shares worth
00:30:16lira, they write 300-500 billion profit on paper. No, my
00:30:20country's economy is also inflated. Everything is inflated on paper.
00:30:23When it comes to prosperity, there is no prosperity. As you said
00:30:26yesterday evening, Ebru Hanım, the news you gave,
00:30:30something called the evening market.
00:30:32It was Nefes's news, the evening market. So
00:30:36when you go to the market during the day, you don't have
00:30:40the purchasing power to buy normal products. You go to the evening market,
00:30:43and you are forced to take the broken ones, the garbage, the rotten
00:30:46ones, or the market
00:30:54has different worries.
00:30:56You remember
00:30:59the Ezgi apartment building in Kahramanmaraş during the February 6th
00:31:03earthquake disaster.
00:31:05A major tragedy occurred where 35 people lost
00:31:09their lives. The case was heard. The patisserie cut
00:31:12the columns. There were irregularities
00:31:15and mistakes during the reconstruction.
00:31:18In this case, a decision for release was made.
00:31:22An appeal was made against that decision, but the appeal was rejected. The families
00:31:25are, of course, very sad, and their vigil in front of the Ministry of Justice
00:31:28continues for the 5th day. Eda Erdağa will report
00:31:32what is happening there. After this disaster, people
00:31:35are enduring pain upon pain as
00:31:38they struggle and fight for justice, their sufferings
00:31:41increasing as they continue their lives. We can summarize the situation like this.
00:31:50As you said, we are in front of the Ministry of Justice, and here the families
00:31:54have been continuing their vigil for 5 days. They came
00:31:57here for justice. They gathered in front of the Ministry of Justice.
00:32:00They have been on vigil here for 5 days. While my cameraman friend Güven Dinçmen
00:32:04shows you, let me elaborate on the details a bit more.
00:32:08I will give more information. Right now,
00:32:10Asu Kaya has actually come here to visit
00:32:14the families. Asu Kaya, the General President of the Women's Branch
00:32:18of the New Party and Osmaniye Deputy, is here to visit Dönme Kaya,
00:32:21who started the Justice Vigil, to support them and to listen
00:32:25to them. She has arrived here at this moment. Of course,
00:32:28on one hand, the families' search for justice
00:32:32has been ongoing for years. Since the February 6th earthquakes,
00:32:35many cases, the cases of the collapsed
00:32:38apartment buildings, continue to be heard. The Ezgi apartment building
00:32:42in Kahramanmaraş, where 35 people lost their lives
00:32:45during the February 6th earthquakes, was one of these
00:32:48cases. In this case, the decision was announced. Members
00:32:52of the Families for Justice platform came in front of the Ministry
00:32:55of Justice to protest the decision given to the defendants in the Ezgi
00:32:59Apartment case and the problems experienced in other earthquake
00:33:02cases. They requested a meeting with Minister
00:33:06of Justice Akın Gürlek, and for 5 days, they have not yet
00:33:09received a response from ministry officials. In the Ezgi apartment case, for the crime
00:33:13of murder with possible intent...
00:33:26The Kahramanmaraş 5th High Criminal Court announced
00:33:30its decision yesterday in the Ezgi apartment case.
00:33:33It rejected the Chief Public Prosecutor's Office's and the families' appeals
00:33:37against the defendants' release. Of course,
00:33:39as we said, support continues here. In the early
00:33:42days, they were right in front of the Ministry. However, yesterday,
00:33:46the front of the Ministry was barricaded by police. As
00:33:50you can see behind Deputy Azu Kayan,
00:33:53because it is barricaded, the families continue
00:33:56their vigil a little further to the side,
00:34:00and they are also reiterating their
00:34:02demands. Meanwhile, the families
00:34:06are also explaining their own problems
00:34:09to the visiting MPs and supporters who come to support them.
00:35:04earthquakes, many of our families
00:35:07lost their loved ones.
00:35:10We have been fighting for justice for 3.5 years.
00:35:13We have been pursuing
00:35:16the legal avenues shown by the state for 3.5 years, my deputy, but the latest
00:35:20decision showed us that the legal path was not the right path.
00:35:23Now, a defendant whose trial
00:35:26started with 876 years, and whose indictment
00:35:29was for 876 years, even two defendants,
00:35:33cannot have their sentence reduced to 8
00:35:37years. This is not acceptable, because the defendants
00:35:41already fled immediately after the earthquake and were not found for 703
00:35:44days. The place where they were found
00:35:47is a villa, I mean,
00:35:50in a place where they were on holiday, they are given only 8
00:35:53years in prison, and then
00:35:56they are released on supervised release.
00:36:00This is the final straw that has broken
00:36:03our patience. The Ezgi
00:36:06apartment building is just one example. It is obvious
00:36:09that in a massacre where at least 53,000 people died,
00:36:12we have many other cases, many apartment
00:36:16cases. We wrote down as many as we could here, but there are more.
00:36:19We are following their legal processes
00:36:23one by one. This is why we are here,
00:36:26actually. This is not
00:36:30a planned action. As a citizen,
00:36:33the decision was announced on Friday
00:36:36night, connecting Thursday to Friday. It was a dark
00:36:40situation until 4 AM for all our families. I
00:36:43woke up around 8 and came here.
00:36:47I said I wanted to meet Minister Akın Gürlek,
00:36:51because as a former
00:36:53prosecutor and now as a minister of justice, I wanted this decision
00:36:57to be justified. However, I was told he was not here. Later,
00:37:01I was connected to his private
00:37:04secretary. I was told an appointment would be made.
00:37:07As you know, we have been waiting for 1317
00:37:10days. They told me they would get
00:37:13back to me. As I said, since our patience ran out,
00:37:16I didn't wait and stood alone at this entrance
00:37:20with this banner. 10 minutes later, the secretary called
00:37:24and said we could make an appointment for me, but they couldn't get
00:37:27back to me immediately. I said, "Okay," and continued. Half an hour later,
00:37:29I met with an authorized person, a judge. So,
00:37:32I realized that if I had gone in, I could have met with
00:37:36an authorized person, but I wasn't taken seriously,
00:37:39and they tried to stall me with the private secretary
00:37:42first, then the secretary. When they understood that I would continue
00:37:45my protest with the banner, they arranged for me to meet a judge.
00:37:48I explained in more detail to her, and she said
00:37:52she would convey it. They took my number, but from Friday
00:37:55to today, Tuesday, 5 days into my vigil, no response
00:37:59has been given to me. We are not just asking
00:38:02for the reasons behind the Ezgi apartment decision anymore, because
00:38:06the decision came out on Thursday.
00:38:08On Friday, the prosecutor of the court appealed, it was rejected.
00:38:12Yesterday, appeals were made to the 5th
00:38:15High Court, and they were also rejected. Now we have entered the appeal
00:38:18process. Let me summarize these: the appeal process for the February 6th
00:38:22earthquakes takes about 1.5 to 2 years to come back to us,
00:38:25as you know. If the defendants can evade
00:38:29for 703 days and serve 8 years
00:38:32out of a 876-year sentence, I don't even
00:38:35want to think about the appeal process.
00:38:38Therefore, it has become clear to us that we cannot
00:38:42follow the legal path they showed us. They
00:38:45should bring us justice now. If they can arrest a mayor,
00:38:49if they can put a comedian,
00:38:53Deniz Göktaş, into prison
00:38:56type L, they can easily arrest
00:38:59the defendants in the February 6th earthquakes now. But
00:39:03what did we encounter after all this sadness and waiting?
00:39:06As you know, there was a NATO summit in the summer. They
00:39:10arrested those who were even suspected of causing trouble. So what
00:39:13happened? You will see the
00:39:17photo here. The owner of Mados,
00:39:20who is being tried as a defendant in Manolya Sitesi in Kahramanmaraş,
00:39:23his name appears as a defendant. At the NATO summit,
00:39:27the man served Maraş ice cream to the guests.
00:39:30So, I'm not even talking about
00:39:34sallaya geçmelerini geçtim, ya bu kadar da olmaz, o
00:39:37yüzden artık nasıl adaleti işletiyorlarsa, kendileri için
00:39:41nasıl bir sistem uyguluyorlarsa, artık ben adil bir karar da
00:39:45beklemiyorum, artık ben vicdanlı bir karar bekliyorum, çünkü
00:39:48anayasanın 138 maddesi de açık eee, hakim savcıların
00:39:52tabi olduğu kanunlarda da açık, en sonunda hakim ve savcıya diyor ki
00:39:56vicdanınla karar ver. Şimdi 53 bin insanın
00:39:59öldüğü eee vicdanlı karar verilmesi lazım, hadi bir
00:40:02kısmına deprem deyin ama orada can çekişerek ölenler oldu, üç
00:40:06gün Afad gelsin de kurtarsın diye bekledik, üçüncü gün ölen bu deprem
00:40:09değil, bu artık işkence ve cinayete girer, bu yüzden de biz adalet
00:40:13istiyoruz, yani söylemeyecek çok şey vardı, böyle özetlemiş olayım size vekilim, siz
00:40:17de konuya hakimsiniz zaten, evet evet, ben de
00:40:20yanı başınızdakilerden biri Osmani,
00:40:23Osmaniye'nin eee depremzede depremi
00:40:26yaşamış. "iliklerine kadar yaşamış bir
00:40:30arkadaşınızım eee,
00:40:33hem bir yurttaş olarak yaşadım, o
00:40:36çaresizliğe hem de bir hekim olarak şahitlik
00:40:39ettim,
00:40:42değerli basın mensupları bugün buraya sadece dönek
00:40:46kaya'yı ziyaret etmek için değil, adalet
00:40:49arayan depremzede ailelerin yanında olduğumuzu
00:40:53göstermek için geldim,
00:40:55sadece döne kayanın değil." " "6 Şubat'ta evlatlarını,
00:40:59yakınlarını, annesini, babasını,
00:41:02kardeşlerini kaybeden binlerce insanın
00:41:05yanındayım. Ben 6 şubat, 6 Şubat
00:41:09sabahı Osmaniye'deydim, o gün yaşanan depremin
00:41:12dehşetini, yıkıma,
00:41:15çaresizliği,
00:41:17sadece bir insan olarak, bir
00:41:21anne, bir yakın, bir komşu, bir
00:41:24eş
00:41:27olarak. değil bir hekim olarak da tanıklık ettim o çaresizliğe
00:41:30maalesef. Enkaz başlarında bekleyen
00:41:34ailelerin feryadını, kaybettiklerini arayan
00:41:37insanların gözlerindeki umutsuz.
00:41:40bizati yaşadım, unutabilmemiz, biz yaşayanların
00:41:44unutabilmesi mümkün değil.
00:41:4835 canımızı kaybettiğimiz Ezgi apartmanın enkazı
00:41:52hepimizin vicdanında kapanmamış bir
00:41:55yaradır. Yargı kararıyla o yaranın
00:41:58üzerine bir de adaletsizlik eklendi.
00:42:02Savcılık, sanıklar hakkını olası kastla öldürme
00:42:05supervised release, I'm talking about them walking around freely. This
00:42:07is too much. That's why I'm no longer expecting
00:42:11a fair decision, as they implement the law for themselves.
00:42:14I'm now expecting a conscientious decision,
00:42:17because Article 138 of the Constitution is clear,
00:42:21and the laws governing judges and prosecutors are also clear.
00:42:23In the end, it tells the judge and prosecutor to decide according to their conscience.
00:42:27Now, in a situation where 53,000 people died,
00:42:31a conscientious decision must be made. You can say it was an earthquake
00:42:34for some of them, but some died struggling. We waited for three
00:42:37days for AFAD to come and rescue them. Those who died on the third day,
00:42:41this is not an earthquake, this is torture and murder. That's why we want justice.
00:42:43I had a lot to say, so I'll summarize it for you, my deputy. You
00:42:46are already familiar with the issue. Yes, yes.
00:42:50I am one of those from Osmaniye
00:42:53who experienced the earthquake
00:42:56to the core. I am your friend. I experienced
00:43:00that helplessness as a citizen,
00:43:02and I witnessed it as a doctor.
00:43:06Unfortunately, I witnessed that helplessness.
00:43:10biri birinin bir sevdiği, birinin
00:43:12evladı, birinin yakını, birinin can
00:43:15yoldaşı. Ama bugün o insanlar kara
00:43:19lie in the dark earth. Today, it is
00:43:22the duty of the Ministry of Justice
00:43:26not to kill them again where they died,
00:43:29at least to make a decision that will comfort
00:43:33the hearts of their loved ones and establish justice in their consciences.
00:43:37When a mother loses her child,
00:43:42when a child is left without a mother,
00:43:46when a sibling is left without
00:43:50a brother or sister, is the accounting
00:43:53of justice only 8 years? We
00:43:56ask this to the Ministry of Justice.
00:43:59Know that this decision has not
00:44:03only wounded the souls of those who lost
00:44:06their loved ones in the Ezgi apartment,
00:44:10but also the souls
00:44:12of all those who lost
00:44:16their lives in the earthquake and the consciences
00:44:19of their loved ones again.
00:44:22It is impossible for us to accept
00:44:25this decision.
00:44:28It is impossible for consciences to accept
00:44:32this decision. We no longer accept
00:44:35the narrative of fate
00:44:38imposed on us by the AK Party government.
00:44:40You cannot make this nation
00:44:44believe that the results of this earthquake are
00:44:46fate.
00:44:50You cannot cover up your
00:44:52negligence and lack of oversight
00:44:55with the veil of fate.
00:44:59From here, as a member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey,
00:45:03I say: Do not ignore
00:45:06Dönme Kaya's vigil here for 5 days.
00:45:12Dönme is not just herself.
00:45:15In the earthquake
00:45:17region, in 11
00:45:19provinces,
00:45:23after at least 3 days of suffering,
00:45:26those who died, those who died,
00:45:29yes, yes, my colleague
00:45:32and many others, thousands
00:45:36of them. I was at the debris, a helpless person
00:45:40throwing bricks, trying to pull out
00:45:44their neighbors and relatives from the debris.
00:45:48I was a doctor trying to perform autopsies.
00:45:51Today, I will be the voice
00:45:54of all citizens in the earthquake
00:45:58region, the voice
00:46:01of all our citizens. Those
00:46:05who did not live
00:46:10through those days
00:46:11cannot know. No one
00:46:14who did not live through it can know.
00:46:18We learned about
00:46:21the destruction in Maraş two days later
00:46:24in Osmaniye. We learned about the destruction in Hatay
00:46:27three days later. We even forgot
00:46:31when we were able to learn about the destruction
00:46:34in Adıyaman and Malatya.
00:46:37We didn't know.
00:46:40We were faced with
00:46:42such helplessness. If we start
00:46:46speaking, there are too many
00:46:49responsible parties.
00:46:54For a bottle of water, people would fight
00:46:57with each other. For a piece of bread, people waiting
00:47:00in line,
00:47:03fighting with each other, trying to cut
00:47:06in front of each other. For baby
00:47:08food, people were walking over each other.
00:47:12We
00:47:16lived those
00:47:17times.
00:47:21In our era... people consume and forget
00:47:24very quickly, leaving it behind, but it's impossible
00:47:28for those who lived through it to forget.
00:47:31I looked, there are many hotels, many apartment buildings
00:47:34here.
00:47:37One of them is the Bilge Sitesi.
00:47:40In my province, 105 people lost
00:47:43their lives. And the person responsible
00:47:47for it, the person at the head of the responsible
00:47:49parties, left through the back door
00:47:54without even a day of
00:47:57imprisonment. That's another case.
00:48:00There are hundreds of such cases.
00:48:04But unfortunately, this government,
00:48:07as always, sometimes says it's
00:48:11in its nature, sometimes they say,
00:48:15"It's fate, it's a natural disaster, it happened and it's over."
00:48:18It's not like that. Earthquake
00:48:23victims do not forget the day they experienced.
00:48:27This is not something that can be understood
00:48:31by just coming
00:48:31later.
00:48:35Asu Kaya, Osmaniye Deputy of the New Party,
00:48:38you know about the Ezgi apartment and the pain there. We lost
00:48:4235 lives. Also, the identities of a lawyer
00:48:45couple were used there. Their identities were taken in the earthquake.
00:48:49The identities of the deceased lawyer couple
00:48:53were used. Also, people created fake diplomas
00:48:56for aid. And then people
00:49:00lose their children and also struggle
00:49:03in this cause. Of course,
00:49:07they say that an appeal was made against
00:49:11the decision to release, but the appeal was not accepted.
00:49:15They say 8 years is not enough. We cannot accept such an early release.
00:49:18They say our lives are gone. They criticize the pastry shop
00:49:22managers. They were distributing ice cream at summits,
00:49:25smiling. They had photos
00:49:28with the government. The pastry shop in the Ezgi apartment,
00:49:31the fact that those who cut the columns
00:49:37And also, people under that apartment
00:49:40did not just die because the apartment collapsed. The apartment
00:49:43collapsed, and they were buried under the rubble. People
00:49:47stayed there for 3-4 days and died because they could not be rescued.
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01:00:19there was a price increase for diesel fuel. We discussed that price
01:00:22increase. An arrest warrant was issued for the senior
01:00:26executives of 41 food distribution companies on charges
01:00:28of price fixing, money laundering from crime,
01:00:32violating tax laws, and collusive price fixing.
01:00:35The executives of 41 food
01:00:38distribution companies were arrested. Now,
01:00:41our viewers have written, will this family
01:00:44social assistance model include retirees
01:00:48or not? Since we don't know anything,
01:00:51we ask if such a thing is possible based on what
01:00:55is written and drawn. We don't have anything
01:00:58to work on, because there is nothing
01:01:01there either. There are only leaked news,
01:01:04and based on that news, we are only contributing
01:01:08to the model study. There is also no statement regarding
01:01:11portfolio companies, meaning there is no official statement.
01:01:15Maybe they will give up and not do it.
01:01:18Maybe with such leaked news, public reaction,
01:01:22these leaked news, lobby news, based on these news,
01:01:25if such a thing happens, social assistance and rent assistance
01:01:28should not be given to retirees. Such a thing would not
01:01:32be appropriate because retirement is a right, we say.
01:01:35Of course, families should be supported, but for example,
01:01:38our viewers also wrote that yes, we support the developments
01:01:42in the defense industry and sending vehicles to the moon,
01:01:45but our children are also here. We want them to develop
01:01:48these technologies in the future, but we are racking our
01:01:51brains trying to figure out how to pay 300 liras a day
01:01:54for school meals in state
01:02:02there will be new price increases in 2027.
01:02:05We pay incredible taxes
01:02:09on meager salaries. Therefore, we are explaining
01:02:12all these problems, hoping
01:02:21there is a rumor, but since it's not an official statement,
01:02:25there might be a 2-3 lira increase tonight
01:02:28for fuel. Therefore, not for diesel, but for
01:02:32gasoline, right? Then the price in Istanbul will rise to 83
01:02:35liras. Yes, let it rise. Is another increase in gasoline
01:02:38expected tonight? You are so worried about fuel prices, Ms. Ebru.
01:02:42Let it go, forget it. We are coming from international markets. Are
01:02:46you living in Syria that you are so
01:02:48worried about it? You will react,
01:02:51but we live in Turkey. It has a cost of
01:02:54500 billion dollars to the world for 18 dollars, and 100 billion dollars
01:02:58to us. We will reduce inflation, we will reduce the current account deficit.
01:03:04I've been saying for a week that we will march to Jerusalem. We will still march to Jerusalem. So, where
01:03:08this cause exists,
01:03:11you don't look at the price. If you look at the price in the face
01:03:14of the sanctity and value of the cause, you are betraying the cause.
01:03:17Don't betray the cause. We have a cause.
01:03:20Even if there is dry onion at home, onions have become expensive. It can only
01:03:24drop by 50. If we knew the cause,
01:03:28hocam, for the sake of the cause, look.
01:03:30"We are being crushed under such big operations.
01:03:33It doesn't happen a day, I say, or a year
01:03:36doesn't pass, or they do it gradually. Look, in
01:03:392018-19, they carried out an onion and potato operation
01:03:43against Turkey. Chicken... Just recently, they carried
01:03:46out a chicken operation. Chicken farmers
01:03:49increased prices. Now, vegetable sellers,
01:03:52greengrocers, that is, greengrocers, together with
01:03:55external forces, are carrying out an operation against Turkey.
01:03:59We are taking measures against these, carrying out
01:04:02operations and catching these internal agents of external forces,
01:04:06the barons, onion and potato barons, greengrocer barons. We will catch
01:04:19a meeting of the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality Council
01:04:22is being held. At the council meeting, an AK Party council
01:04:25member shouts at a CHP council member, "Where is
01:04:28your husband?"
01:04:37friends,
01:04:43Look, dear council members, we all have
01:04:45families. Almighty God makes a servant rich
01:04:49or poor.
01:04:50It is not appropriate,
01:04:54shameful, and immoral for a human
01:04:57to mock, joke about, try to belittle someone,
01:05:00or ask, "Where is your wife? Where is your husband?"
01:05:03It is immoral, immoral. What do you mean,
01:05:07where is your husband? Who are you to ask such a question?
01:05:10Friends, yes,
01:05:28do with politics. I mean, while discussing political
01:05:32developments here, what happened in the IBB council,
01:05:36a sentence that a woman should say to another woman,
01:05:39but with a different implication beneath it.
01:05:42She is a Bakırköy Municipality Council member, as far as
01:05:46I know, and also a lawyer friend. Probably,
01:05:49I don't know, but her husband might have something to
01:05:53do with the IBB case. There might be an arrest
01:05:56there as well. Yes, I honestly don't know,
01:06:00but this could be a company bankruptcy or falling into a difficult
01:06:04situation. Because a person can be rich or poor. It could be something
01:06:08else, but politics should not be done through families,
01:06:12spouses, or children. It shouldn't be. That's why
01:06:15this is not politics, it's really shameful. I think the reaction
01:06:19of IBB Deputy Chairman Nuri Bey is very appropriate and very
01:06:22justified. Why is she asking about her husband? What will
01:06:26she do with her husband? If she can carry on a discussion
01:06:30there, she should ask a question directly to him, and this discussion
01:06:34should be held between the two women there, over the activities
01:06:37of IBB. IBB, as of yesterday,
01:06:40with its successful works, also cleared all its tax debts
01:06:44and SGK debts. They should talk about this, discuss this.
01:06:48President Nuri should explain how this was done and set
01:06:52an example for other municipalities. The performance
01:06:55of a municipality whose president has been arrested
01:06:59for approximately 1.5 years should be discussed. But unfortunately,
01:07:02a shameful process is taking place here, where politics is
01:07:05being dragged into different areas. Families should not be
01:07:09discussed, children should not be discussed. Unfortunately,
01:07:12we have been talking about this a lot in the last few years.
01:07:15Unfortunately, while we are talking about what
01:07:19else politics is talking about, a friend is writing
01:07:22this.
01:07:26Her husband is the Şişli Mayor's Assistant since March 19th.
01:07:30He is not outside, he is a fugitive. Yes, he is a fugitive.
01:07:34That's why she says this, she implies this.
01:07:37But she had a feud with him before.
01:07:40She had a feud with him,
01:07:42that's why she says these kinds of things,
01:07:46she makes accusations.
01:07:49If she is causing such a discussion because
01:07:53of her own private feud, saying,
01:07:55"Where is your husband?"
01:07:58Yesterday in Turkey, we explained
01:08:01in detail the legal situation of Ekrem İmamoğlu.
01:08:04What was it about the Mayor of Tuzla?
01:08:07He was acquitted twice.
01:08:11After two acquittals,
01:08:13after the acquittal decision, Ekrem İmamoğlu's appeal
01:08:17is overturned, saying that the defendant's
01:08:19statement was not taken. Normally, this
01:08:22should not be overturned either. It is in favor of the defendant,
01:08:26you have been acquitted. While Ekrem İmamoğlu's
01:08:30statement should have been taken, the car broke down on the
01:08:34way, Ekrem İmamoğlu was not taken to the case, he was
01:08:37sent back. The prison
01:08:40transfer vehicle broke down, or rather, it was sent
01:08:44back on the grounds that it broke down. Just then, the
01:08:47judge changes. The new judge, while he should
01:08:51have taken Ekrem İmamoğlu's statement, in addition to
01:08:55taking the statement, he also gives a political
01:08:58ban and punishment for over two years.
01:09:01Now we are facing such a system. In such a
01:09:05system, it was decided to retry this case,
01:09:08to re-examine it. Now, a question comes
01:09:12to mind: will the punishment be overturned? Now, in
01:09:16such a system, the friend says, "Where
01:09:19is your husband? Where is your husband?"
01:09:21I wonder where you will
01:09:25be. I really wonder where you will be.
01:09:28Look, Turkey is going somewhere, it's going somewhere else.
01:09:32Our judicial system,
01:09:35we have established such a system over dissidents that
01:09:39I will say it again, I am saying this because
01:09:42it is symbolic, not because
01:09:45I am one.
01:09:48In return for 40,000 martyrs,
01:09:51you give Öcalan a villa.
01:09:53You imprison
01:09:55Ekrem İmamoğlu, Ekrem İmamoğlu from Trabzon.
01:09:59How will you express anything in the
01:10:02country when you establish such a system? Moreover,
01:10:06the woman's husband is a municipal council
01:10:09member, and you ask about her husband
01:10:12while he is on duty. If there were any
01:10:16inconvenience or illness, he wouldn't be
01:10:19in the council. Ask yourselves, how do so
01:10:23many judges change, how do cases change
01:10:25like this, how are they piled up, how are cases opened,
01:10:29what kind of process are we going through?
01:10:32I mean, the process we are experiencing
01:10:35is not a normal process, but the lady can
01:10:39ask like this, she can say like this. I mean,
01:10:42it's arrogance, hocam, excessive,
01:10:46there is an excessive intoxication of power,
01:10:49there is a very excessive intoxication of
01:10:52power. To oppress, to cause pain,
01:10:55to take away their basic
01:10:58rights, I mean, there is already a broken home there,
01:11:02to take away their basic rights. When a
01:11:05cause is involved, normally
01:11:07normal people would not do such a thing. For example,
01:11:11normal people would react to such pains and oppressions
01:11:15normally, but when you introduce a cause, that cause,
01:11:18we saw this in the Fethullah Gülen incidents, in the Gülenists,
01:11:22in the Fethullah Gülen incident. What was it?
01:11:26When a cause is in question,
01:11:29many sins can be turned into
01:11:32good deeds. If you add
01:11:35religious causes to political
01:11:38events, there are no limits
01:11:42to what you can do to the people
01:11:46in front of you. You go too far. This country
01:11:49has to face this process. For example,
01:11:52Mr. Devlet Bahçeli has a state stance, doesn't he?
01:11:56I am saying it clearly then, Mr. Bahçeli,
01:11:59a state's, think of the 16 Turkish states
01:12:02in history, the continuity of a state is
01:12:05the establishment of its institutional structure.
01:12:08If a country's state's institutional structure
01:12:12starts to... protect the state, Devlet
01:12:16Bahçeli, protect the state.
01:12:19When the institutional structure collapses or is
01:12:22damaged, for example, we say the justice index, don't we?
01:12:25The judicial index in Turkey, when these collapse,
01:12:29the state does not collapse at that moment, the state
01:12:32collapses slowly later. If the Republic of Turkey
01:12:36is to live forever, it must face this
01:12:39institutional structure and correct it.
01:12:43If we cannot correct this, the institutional structure
01:12:46of the Republic of Turkey will suffer serious damage,
01:12:49and we will suffer greatly. One of the reasons for the
01:12:52poverty and destitution we are experiencing today
01:12:55is this. The collapse of the institutional structure.
01:12:59Of course, what is happening? For example, Ülkü
01:13:03İnan explained that the Tuzla Municipal Council member,
01:13:05as you know, also reacted to Ali Eran Bingöl
01:13:09and said, "I apologize to the people of Tuzla for wanting
01:13:12you. You also owe an apology." Amine Cansu
01:13:16Çelik, Üsküdar Council member, visited the arrested.
01:13:18She hadn't seen her daughter for 11 full days.
01:13:22The child saw her mother crying on the 11th day, after first
01:13:26calling her aunt. Of course,
01:13:29the child is 3 years old, her mother
01:13:32is in prison, her father is probably
01:13:36ill. People are experiencing these things. Now, on top
01:13:39of all this, to stand up and ask, "Where is your husband?"
01:13:43They put Çelik in custody. My God.
01:13:46I said this at the financial branch, "We came
01:13:49on our own." This woman, when the
01:13:52prosecutor called her before, said, "My state called me,
01:13:56I came." She said, "If they call me again,
01:13:59I will come again." They called again, we came again, we came
01:14:03on our own, and you placed us under arrest without even
01:14:06taking our statement. We were told this: "We didn't
01:14:10pick you up from your house, what more do you want?"
01:14:12Can someone be arrested without a statement after
01:14:16being called for a statement? Amine Cansu Çelik,
01:14:19when our chairman Sinem Delitaş was arrested, did she
01:14:23run away? They called her, she came, they called her, she came.
01:14:26She has a 4-year-old daughter. We entered the police station,
01:14:29and her statement was taken only on the fourth day,
01:14:32and none of our defenses, none of our words
01:14:34were listened to. Amine Cansu Çelik did not
01:14:38see her daughter for 11 days. 4-year-old
01:14:41Mina, last Saturday,
01:14:44Mina visited her mother in prison after 11 days,
01:14:47and that child, that child saw her mother crying and
01:14:50first called her aunt, do you know, Madam President?"
01:14:53"There, our eyes filled with tears, the prison
01:14:57guards cried, because her aunt has been looking after
01:15:00her for 11 days. For 11 days, she hasn't received
01:15:04a call from her mother, she doesn't know where her mother
01:15:07is. How do you explain this to a 4-year-old child?
01:15:10Of course, she has no concept, when she sees her mother,
01:15:25and after seeing what happened
01:15:29in the AK Party, she resigned
01:15:33from the AK Party. She switched
01:15:36to the IBB side, which is managed
01:15:39by Ekrem İmamoğlu. She changed sides.
01:15:42Now, a mother,
01:15:45I'm speaking in the language of the government,
01:15:49a very suitable thing according to their criteria,
01:15:52Amine Cansu Çelik, yes, and look
01:15:55how she is taken into custody and thrown in, she is called
01:15:58for a statement, as far as I understand, and then
01:16:02she is taken into custody,
01:16:16you showed on screen earlier, the earthquake of February
01:16:196, 2023, was a ruin. Yes, it's painful.
01:16:23These processes, the events we are talking about, are unfortunately
01:16:26not independent of each other. Currently, there is an incredible
01:16:29situation of impunity. I mean, that contractor, those who
01:16:33cut columns, those who carried out renovation works, even
01:16:36though there are expert reports. Last week, we talked about
01:16:40Üsküdar Municipality, we talked about an election made
01:16:43in a technical sense in Üsküdar Municipality, but today there is
01:16:47news in the newspapers, all newspapers are sharing it.
01:16:50One of the transferred municipal council members gives a statement
01:16:53to the journalists, saying that he was offered
01:16:56the position of Deputy Mayor, and he accepted.
01:17:00So, there is a position, a duty offered to him. He resigns
01:17:04from his party because of a duty or position
01:17:07offered to him, he switches to another
01:17:10party and votes for this party. But what
01:17:14did we talk about again yesterday? We talked about the Absolute
01:17:17Nullity Case. We talked about the CHP management withdrawing
01:17:20its decision seen at the Court of Cassation regarding the Absolute Nullity
01:17:24case. Why did the Absolute Nullity case arise? The purchase
01:17:28of delegate will. The main reason was this. Even
01:17:31though there was no concrete evidence, money was given to delegates.
01:17:35Certain things were offered to delegates, and the delegate
01:17:38expressed their will in a different way. Therefore, it was claimed
01:17:42that this case should be considered absolutely null and void. But
01:17:45a council member in Üsküdar Municipality can say this:
01:17:49"They offered me the position of Deputy Mayor." So, has
01:17:53any process been initiated so far? Has any decision been
01:17:56made regarding Üsküdar Municipality? You shut down
01:18:00a huge party, meaning you practically took over
01:18:03the management of a party, you gave it to another
01:18:06team through legal means, and that team entered with the police.
01:18:10But what happened again? In a process where the Absolute
01:18:14Nullity case was being discussed, a journalist known for his
01:18:17closeness to the government writes an article and says
01:18:20that he met with certain judges in Ankara, with
01:18:22a certain group, and that the Absolute Nullity
01:18:26case will turn out in this way or that way. If
01:18:30we used the same sentences on this screen today,
01:18:33saying that we met with we met with a member, the court
01:18:36will make a decision like this or if we say that the rumors in Ankara are like this,
01:18:40immediately a disinformation law will be enforced against us,
01:18:43but this journalist immediately deleted the post he made
01:18:47on Twitter yesterday, that is, the post he made on Twitter Gix,
01:18:50and there is no sanction. This is actually impunity, that is, a certain
01:18:54bir cezasızlık yani toplumun belli kesimi belli
01:18:57isimler o yüzden bu şekilde pervassızca sorular sorabiliyor
01:19:01senin kocan nerede diye soru sorulabiliyor aslında bunların
01:19:04hepsi maalesef koreye gelmiş olan bir süreç.
01:19:07"Türkiye'de son dönemlerde bütün
01:19:10yaşanan süreci belki bir kavramla tartışmak ve bu çerçevede
01:19:14anlamlandırmak mümkün o da siyasetsizleştirme.
01:19:17Siyasetsizleştirmenin bir unsuru da pasifleştirmedir. Kastım
01:19:21şu, pasifleşmeden, siz yaşanan bütün siyasi
01:19:24olaylardan, toplumdaki cezasızlık sürecinden,
01:19:27kamusal alanda gördüğünüz birçok probleme dönük olarak çözüm
01:19:31bulamamasından dolayı kendinizi geri çekersiniz, ümidiniz
01:19:34kaybolur, umudunuz getirirsiniz, önünüz. anketler
01:19:38konulur, anketlerde öyle bir oy oranı yaşanır ki dersiniz, ben
01:19:41oy versem bile bak işte partim şu gerekçeden dolayı şöyle oy
01:19:45kaybediyor, veya bir cumhurbaşkanı adayı koymak isterseniz farklı
01:19:49suçlardan dolayı tutuklanır, başka bir cumhurbaşkanı adayı
01:19:52günün 24 saati konuşulur, tartışılır, çeşitli
01:19:55açılardan, çeşitli sıfatlarla değerlendirilir ve bunların hepsi
01:19:59aslında toplumun bir sürece iter, da pasifsizleştirme,
01:20:03toplumda vatandaşlar kendi yalnızlığına mahkum edilmek istenir,
01:20:07bireysel... leştirilir ve şöyle bir şey söyler vatandaş, bu
01:20:10ülkeden bir şey olmaz, bu toplumdan bir şey olmaz,
01:20:13siyasetten bir şey olmaz, siyasetteki yaşanan transferler de
01:20:17maalesef buna hizmet eder. İbrahim Bey'in
01:20:20bahsettiği isim çok önemli şu an ekranlara geliyor, yine ben bir kez daha
01:20:24Ekrem Baki'yi anmak istiyorum. Aynı şekilde Ekrem Baki de çok önemli bir
01:20:28isim, da belli bir toplum kesimini temsil
01:20:31eden, gerçekten de muhafazakar kesimde sözü
01:20:34sahibi olan bir isim. Ekrem Baki şu an nerede? Kendi? yine
01:20:37tutuklu. Neden tutuklu? Bilemiyoruz. IBB davalarıyla
01:20:41ilişkileyla IBB binasına malzeme alımından
01:20:44evet.
01:20:48Başkanlık makamın konutuna. Yani Ülkü
01:20:51hanım'ın dün anlatmış olduğu ve ekranlara getirdiğiniz
01:20:55görüntüler gerçekten işler acısı insanların aileleriyle,
01:20:59çocuklarıyla sınandığı bir süreçten geçiyoruz. Türkiye tabii
01:21:02ki yargısal anlamda, hukuksal anlamda her zaman çok problemli
01:21:05dönemler yaşamıştır, geçirmiştir. ama ailelerin bu kadar çok
01:21:09konuşulduğu, çocukların ağladığı veya ağlatıldığı
01:21:124 yaşındaki bir kız çocuğunun anne, teyze teyze
01:21:16anne dediği bir süreci ben inanın yaşamadım, görmedim,
01:21:19hatırlamıyorum, bu gerçekten
01:21:21ailelerin, ki 11 gün sonra
01:21:24karşılaşabilecekleri kadar bir süre geçmiş, evet gözaltı
01:21:28tutuklama değil mi doğru anlıyorum, evet Ebru
01:21:31hanım, yani gerçekten çok zor bir süreç, yani biz bu IBB davalarıyla belli
01:21:34şeyleri yaşadık, çok unutuyoruz ama çocuk. Kumbarasının
01:21:38eee televizyon ekranlarında konu olduğu, kumbaralardan şu
01:21:41kadar para çıktığı, kumbaralarda şu kadar para
01:21:44konulmuş denilerek çocukların kumbarasının bile
01:21:47medyalaştırıldığı bir süreci yaşadık, o yüzden bu
01:21:51süreçler yine İbrahim Beye atıfta söyleyeceğim, unutulmayacak, yani gün
01:21:54gelecek, hatırlanacak, konuşulacak, o yüzden bugün
01:21:57belirli kesimler cezasızlık
01:21:59çerçevesinde belli bir güce dayanarak belli cümleler sarf
01:22:03edebiliyor, belli tavır veya pozisyonlar takınabiliyor ama
01:22:06eee gün gelecek.
01:22:19Adalar belediye başkanı tutuklandı ve içişleri bakanlığı tarafından görevden
01:22:23uzaklaştırıldı yerine seçim yapıldı CHP'li bir
01:22:26isim Medine Pamuk seçildi da sağlık gerekçeleriyle istifa
01:22:29etmiş 21 Eylül'de tekrar seçim var ya bir belediye
01:22:33ilçe belediyesi Adalar belediyesi ya işte yani
01:22:36Üsküdar. koça ilçe bunlar yani İstanbul'da 12
01:22:40ilçe mesela geçti yani
01:22:43CHP'den gitti geçti de geçmeyenler dahil
01:22:46segment of society, certain
01:22:50names, that's why they can ask such impudent questions.
01:22:53Questions like "where is your husband" can be asked. In fact,
01:22:56all of these are unfortunately a process that has come to Korea.
01:22:59"In Turkey, in recent times, it is possible
01:23:02to discuss the entire process experienced with perhaps one concept
01:23:05and to make sense of it within this framework, and that is depoliticization.
01:23:09One element of depoliticization is passivization. What I mean is,
01:23:11from passivity, you withdraw yourself because you cannot
01:23:15find solutions to all the political events that have occurred,
01:23:19to the process of impunity in society, to many problems you see in the public sphere.
01:23:23Your hope is lost, your hope
01:23:26is diminished, polls are placed before you,
01:23:29and in the polls, such a vote share is experienced
01:23:33that you say, even if I vote, look, my party is losing votes like this
01:23:36for such and such a reason, or if you want to nominate a presidential candidate,
01:23:40they are arrested for different crimes, another presidential
01:23:44candidate is talked about, discussed
01:23:4724 hours a day,
01:23:51from various angles, with various epithets, and all of these
01:23:54actually push society into a process, that is, passivization,
01:23:57citizens in society are tried to be condemned to their
01:24:01loneliness, they are individualized, and the citizen says something
01:24:04like this, nothing will come of this country, nothing will come of
01:24:07this society, nothing will come of politics, and unfortunately,
01:24:11the transfers in politics serve this. The name
01:24:14mentioned by Mr. İbrahim is very important, he is currently
01:24:17on the screens, I would like to commemorate Ekrem Baki once again.
01:24:26In the same way, Ekrem Baki is also a very important
01:24:29name, representing a certain segment of society,
01:24:46To the residence of the Presidency. That is,
01:24:50the images that Ms. Ülkü showed yesterday
01:24:54are truly heartbreaking. We are going through a process where people
01:24:57are tested with their families, with their children. Of course, Turkey
01:25:00has always experienced very problematic periods
01:25:04in terms of judiciary and law. But I have honestly
01:25:07not experienced, seen, or remembered a period where families
01:25:11were talked about so much, where children cried or were made
01:25:15to cry, where a 4-year-old girl said "mom, auntie, auntie,
01:25:18mom." This is truly a period where
01:25:21families, after 11 days,
01:25:25yes, are they in custody, not arrested, do I understand
01:25:28correctly, yes, Ms. Ebru, it is truly a very difficult
01:25:32process, that is, we experienced certain things with these IBB
01:25:36cases, we forget a lot, but the child's piggy bank
01:25:39became a topic on television screens, that so much money
01:25:42came out of piggy banks, that so much money was put
01:25:45into piggy banks, we experienced a process
01:25:49where even children's piggy banks were sensationalized, so
01:25:52these processes, I will say, referring to Mr. İbrahim, will not be
01:25:56forgotten, that is, the day will come, they will be remembered,
01:26:00they will be talked about, so today certain segments
01:26:03can utter certain sentences, or adopt certain attitudes or
01:26:06positions within the framework of impunity, but
01:26:10the day will come. The mayor of Adalar was arrested and
01:26:13removed from office by the Ministry of Interior, and an election was held,
01:26:17and Medine Pamuk from the CHP was elected. She resigned for health reasons.
01:26:20There will be an election again on September 21st. The Adalar municipality
01:26:23is a district municipality. That is, Üsküdar. These
01:26:27are large districts. That is, 12 districts in Istanbul,
01:26:31for example, passed. Even those
01:26:34who did not pass from the CHP are included.
01:26:38Look, tomorrow in this system, in this
01:26:41system, tomorrow no one will be a candidate
01:26:45from opposition parties for even municipal council membership.
01:26:48Do you know how it would be
01:26:52for someone to be a candidate? The person
01:26:55who is a candidate in this environment
01:26:59will either pursue a big plunder
01:27:02or risk their life to run for this
01:27:05candidacy. No one would do it now. Why?
01:27:08Get well soon, but after all these incidents
01:27:11of resigning for health reasons, is it possible that the mayors,
01:27:14almost, that is, the mayor's
01:27:17arrest is always an instant thing, "arrest
01:27:21him," he gets arrested, mayors are arrested,
01:27:24municipal council members are arrested, that is, even joining the municipal
01:27:27council as an opposition member has become equivalent to going
01:27:30to prison. That is, for everyone, the threshold for going to prison
01:27:34has fallen very low. For opponents, going to prison
01:27:37is imminent. Yes, the country... I mean, we have
01:27:41long gone off the rails. Today, you say operations
01:27:44against hoarders, I am telling you,
01:27:47Deniz Yavuz Yılmaz, the New Party Zonguldak Deputy, said, "We exempted
01:27:51BYD from taxes, we gave BYD incentives,
01:27:54but we applied a 40% tax on electric
01:27:58vehicles for other Chinese companies."
01:28:00This is being complained about to the World Trade
01:28:04Organization. Of course, it's complained about to the World Trade Organization. complaint.
01:28:08The objection is also very difficult, but we need to start as soon as possible.
01:28:11China can only do this: "Buy products from me,
01:28:14and buy them a bit expensively."
01:28:18If you allow me, there are many issues
01:28:21to be concerned about in this regard, but anyway, we continue
01:28:25like this. These events, of course, when evaluated
01:28:28individually, truly all point
01:28:31to a drama. The disruption of family
01:28:35integrity and so on is, of course, a treatment that
01:28:38people, people in the opposition,
01:28:42are subjected to. But
01:28:45I am disappointed because the attitude shown
01:28:48by the AKP council member close to the government just now,
01:28:51or I don't know, the attitudes adopted
01:28:54by some segments in the media
01:28:58fail them in my opinion. That is, any
01:29:01country, whatever the case, I don't know
01:29:05what the case is, this case doesn't serve
01:29:08much. So why are these things done
01:29:11and how will things
01:29:15proceed from now on?
01:29:18When you ask that, I give
01:29:22an answer. I had also expressed this in different
01:29:25places after the 2023 elections.
01:29:28Now, 200 is very important
01:29:32in Turkish political history, I'm sorry, excuse me,
01:29:35the 2024 local
01:29:38administrations election is very important
01:29:42in Turkish political history in my opinion, because for
01:29:45the first time, especially during the AKP rule
01:29:49of over 20 years, it was an election
01:29:53that caused politics to descend from the center
01:29:57to the local level. And
01:30:00this local politics passed into the hands
01:30:03of the opposition very strongly, and a political tool that the AKP
01:30:06had used very successfully at the local level
01:30:09was taken away from them. Of course, in Ankara
01:30:12there is a power, an authority, but it is not very possible
01:30:15for that authority to establish
01:30:18its relations with the people, to have contact
01:30:21with the people as before. Local
01:30:25administrations are very important in this regard, and
01:30:28the President." The staff of that day
01:30:32truly gained great power in this local politics
01:30:36and gained the opportunity to have direct contact
01:30:40with the people. They also passed this
01:30:43test, meaning, in our words, the construction
01:30:46of nurseries, city restaurants, social
01:30:50aid, student scholarships, both Mr. Mansur
01:30:54and Mr. Ekrem, in these matters,
01:30:57set an example not only for CHP municipalities
01:31:00but also for AKP municipalities, because
01:31:04we know that you change the name of city restaurants, and
01:31:08the AKP municipality does the same thing,
01:31:11neighborhood restaurant, neighborhood.
01:31:15Therefore, the CHP
01:31:18was able to connect with the people so much
01:31:21for the first time, it was able to get close
01:31:25to them from the center, so
01:31:28our President is a rather clever
01:31:32man, so he sees very well the shift
01:31:35in the center of gravity in politics, and
01:31:37he needs to break the contact
01:31:41of the municipalities, of the CHP opposition,
01:31:44with the people, because
01:31:48it is not possible for him to reach the people,
01:31:52to provide the same
01:31:54services from the center, there are no resources, and
01:31:57the roles of the center are very different, so
01:32:01he is doing what he has to do.
01:32:05And by conducting
01:32:08these operations against local
01:32:11administrations, he is creating a new systematic style of politics,
01:32:15so we are seeing the style of politics
01:32:17that the AKP designed and that we talked
01:32:21about here in the period between
01:32:252023 and 2028. Unfortunately, this will
01:32:29continue until the next elections, it does not
01:32:32allow this, because it has neither the tools nor the resources
01:32:36to substitute this, so it has to break
01:32:40the contact of the opposition, especially the new party
01:32:43and other opposition parties,
01:32:46with the people by keeping local governments
01:32:50under pressure. And while this is being done,
01:32:53these events appear as individual
01:32:56events within the general picture, but those individual
01:33:00events cause social deformation, moral
01:33:03deformation. What we are experiencing here, and
01:33:07the answers given by the authorities
01:33:10to this lady, are not very acceptable.
01:33:13I don't want to repeat it, but she said it herself,
01:33:16that is, this is
01:33:20arrogance and
01:33:23feeling power behind you.
01:33:26These authorities, bureaucratic authorities,
01:33:29council members and so on, these kinds of things are not
01:33:45moral. These events need
01:33:48to be evaluated by looking at the general
01:33:51picture. Unfortunately, people, as in Üsküdar,
01:33:55can be content with a vice
01:33:59presidency. That is, people can be this cheap, right, as Professor
01:34:03Barış said? Yes, or I don't
01:34:07know, the person who said to
01:34:10the lady in the municipality, "where is your husband?"
01:34:13I don't know who she is, I don't know her,
01:34:16she probably thinks she's doing justice to
01:34:19the podium there, a political career, but there is something
01:34:23called basic decency. In politics, this decency
01:34:26is gone. Before, wasn't there basic decency
01:34:28among politicians? Yes, I mean, maybe in Ankara,
01:34:31in some segments, they are trying to maintain the old
01:34:35political language, but what is being done,
01:34:38the politics currently being implemented in the country,
01:34:42is not reflected at the grass roots like this. At the grass
01:34:45roots, there is a fierce struggle,
01:34:48jungle law, particularly, for example,
01:34:51Professor, you know the Black Sea, in the Black Sea,
01:34:55neighborhoods, houses
01:34:56became separated, everything
01:34:59became separated, that is, separation, as they sometimes say,
01:35:03I mean, in Turkey, politics is managed by certain people,
01:35:0686 million brothers, what brothers? Brotherhood is over,
01:35:10kinship is over, neighborhoods are over, everything is separated.
01:35:14I didn't do this. If it is like this,
01:35:17you will be separated, of course. What separations there are,
01:35:21what separation stories there are. Look, I will continue from
01:35:25what you just said. The social
01:35:28activities of municipalities pose a great danger to the government.
01:35:31Why do they pose a great danger? For example, municipalities
01:35:35build dormitories, IBB builds dormitories. How can you,
01:35:39as IBB, build dormitories? For example, I experienced it, friends,
01:35:42I am not ashamed to say this again and again,
01:35:45I have said it many times, when I came to Istanbul
01:35:49in 1988, it was a community dormitory the first night.
01:35:52The structure of the thing was clear, the first night I was on my suitcases
01:35:55in Beyazıt Square at 2 AM,
01:35:59because they imprison you. Now, as a municipality,
01:36:02for us to organize
01:36:05FETO structures in such and such places,
01:36:09children need to go to community dormitories, to dormitories
01:36:11of such structures. How can you prevent this, how can
01:36:15you, as a municipality, build dormitories for children,
01:36:18how can you make it cheap? Look, yesterday
01:36:20Nuri Aslan,
01:36:24the vice president of IBB,
01:36:28announced packages for students.
01:36:31Serious packages, I tell you, Ankara was very disturbed
01:36:35by this. That is, how can you make a bus ticket 1
01:36:39lira for students? How do you do
01:36:42this? Mahir Polat yesterday
01:36:46in Istanbul made many
01:36:49museum places 1 lira
01:36:53for citizens. These are worrying, troubling
01:36:57steps. Wasn't it transportation, that museum
01:37:00card? One of them was transportation announced
01:37:04by Nuri Aslan, and the other
01:37:07supports for students announced by Mahir Polat
01:37:10were supports for citizens. The museum card
01:37:14for museums, children can visit
01:37:17for 1 lira. Now these are practices
01:37:20that cause serious problems for the government.
01:37:24The AK Party also joined the tension between the governor
01:37:27and the new party, as you know, and when
01:37:30the governor said "yours," the new party members asked,
01:37:33"If we are yours,
01:37:35who are ours?"
01:37:37So,
01:37:40there was a chain of discussions.
01:37:43The Kaşif Kozinoğlu
01:37:46investigation is ongoing, as you know. Yesterday,
01:37:50the scriptwriters of Kurtlar Vadisi were called to testify
01:37:53as witnesses. Now, Rasim
01:37:57Kütahyalı also announced on
01:38:00his social media that everyone is asking
01:38:03if he was called as a witness in the Kurtlar Vadisi Investigation
01:38:07in the capacity of an informed person. Yes, I was called.
01:38:10He said that he will testify as a witness within this
01:38:14scope due to his articles and news reports. He says
01:38:17in the capacity of an informed person. It is said
01:38:21in the capacity of an informed person. So, I am expressing
01:38:24it correctly, right? That is,
01:38:27as a witness. In the capacity
01:38:30of an informed person, they are giving testimony.
01:38:34Now, speaking of Kozinoğlu, there is also this:
01:38:37Years ago, when these cases were being heard,
01:38:40everyone said, "This cannot be,
01:38:43this cannot be." They said it, they became
01:38:47Ergenekonists. Recall the process
01:38:50of the Balyoz and Ergenekon cases. Those arrests
01:38:53were criticized. People
01:38:56expressed their objections
01:39:07to the form of arrest, to the process there,
01:39:11objections to evidence and documents were expressed,
01:39:15secret witnesses were much talked
01:39:31you know, the Kurtlar Vadisi series was constantly shown
01:39:35on screens, and everyone watched it. I hadn't
01:39:38watched it, but two days ago,
01:39:42Kazım Kaşifoğlu was attacked.
01:39:44It was the same in prison, I hadn't watched it either,
01:39:48but I found that scene, that episode.
01:39:52Yes, there is a long-haired character named Kaşif Kozinoğlu,
01:39:56and he is attacked.
01:40:27On November 10, 2011,
01:40:36he was in prison, this long-haired character
01:40:39who was a state intelligence officer, Kazım Kaşifoğlu,
01:40:42in the series, he is an MIT officer,
01:40:46responsible for international affairs. Kaşif
01:40:49Kozinoğlu is also arrested within this framework,
01:40:53and he dies two days later. That is, in the series,
01:40:57there is an attack, he dies in the series first,
01:41:00then he doesn't die in the series, he dies in December in the series,
01:41:04they don't kill him in the series, they attempt to kill him
01:41:08and threaten him, then Kaşif Kozinoğlu dies
01:41:11two days later. He arrives at the hospital
01:41:15already deceased when going to Silivri State Hospital.
01:41:18His grave was opened on Saturday. Now,
01:41:21the scriptwriters of the series were also
01:41:25asked by the prosecutor,
01:42:27"These cannot be so coincidental, there are so many coincidences,
01:42:30did someone give you information, did someone interfere with the script,
01:42:34dictate it?" That is, he is attacked in the series,
01:42:37he dies two days later. He doesn't die in this episode,
01:42:41he dies in December. He is attacked in this episode
01:42:44on November 10th, then he dies on November 12th.
01:42:48Kozinoğlu, therefore, after the death
01:43:02"FG 2020."
01:43:0616. Is "FG"
01:43:09Fetullah Gulen? It could be.
01:43:13Some names are shown in the cemetery and so on.
01:43:16There are names written like this in the cemetery.
01:43:20For example, there's always a message like this.
01:43:24The events in Syria, we have
01:43:28seen such structures
01:43:31in Samanyolu, too. In Samanyolu, Gulenists, FETO members,
01:43:35were making and broadcasting such things one after
01:43:38another. I remember that it was aired
01:43:42on Samanyolu first, then it was real life. I'm not very familiar
01:43:46with this TV series. I watched
01:43:50its film. It also had movies
01:43:53in cinemas, and yes, that wasn't
01:43:57watched much, but the series was watched a lot,
01:44:00it broke rating records. For example, the issues
01:44:03in the films, like what's on Turkey's
01:44:07foreign policy agenda,
01:44:11were being made into a script. Right? That's how I remember
01:44:14it, with license plates, cars, cemeteries, names like
01:44:18that. It's not just a coincidence. It was '61, look, this
01:44:2234 FG, if you look at it backwards,
01:44:25July 16, etc.
01:44:28Yes, it was a bit couldn't
01:44:31live, almost, I mean, at that time,
01:44:34those who were not close to the FG were being thrown in jail,
01:44:37the FG.
01:44:40Let me tell you something, Müsihat, Müsihat
01:44:44is attending a meeting in a country in Africa,
01:44:46Müsihat. The FG members, I mean
01:44:49the Fethullahists, I'm saying it with the term of that time, the FG members,
01:45:03They leave it in the dark. So,
01:45:06at that time, CHP had established on Thursday evenings,
01:45:10not close to FG had no chance to live, no chance to go
01:45:14on its own day and at its own no chance of not being thrown in jail
01:45:17by being associated with these different organizations,
01:45:21the AK Party is cleaning these up right now,
01:45:24it's cleaning up things, Barış Hodja, I will give you the last word,
01:45:28about each other, understood the irony,
01:45:31I think they understood, everyone understood, our viewers
01:45:35are very understanding, they understand,
01:45:38uh, now... uh, the images of
01:45:42Karaydar from Van, throwing is being prepared.
01:45:45wearing gold, not caring we also need to ask this:
01:45:49Çağlaöz was also arrested, but those images
01:45:52are circulating a lot, the man was constantly about a lot back then.
01:45:56As you pointed out, those who spoke anyway, he is arrested, his wife was
01:45:58to the opposite accusations, is it forbidden to get married in a new party
01:46:02the state to be cleansed, Uh,
01:46:05you say, uh, why was the man arrested, he got married, it's not clear
01:46:08what kind of work you do.
01:46:13But we haven't seen them for the first time in Turkey, you constantly
01:46:16why these cases are being reopened after
01:46:2015 years. The AK Party government
01:46:24came to power with operations I don't know if the others
01:46:27Turkey is now confronting the old Turkey,
01:46:31which was CHP. The AK Party is now confronting
01:46:34would you do such a thing? I that arrested Kaşif Kozinoğlu.
01:46:38Professor, absolutely, In my opinion, those who earn easy money
01:46:41I hope no one believes Do people
01:46:44have to know even the console of your car?
01:46:47There must be a reason, then you stand out, you ask where
01:46:51of Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı's and he says I rented it,
01:46:55that's not it, how many tribal
01:46:58with the power of the media, Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı
01:47:02guy just threw foreign currency.
01:47:05I don't know about those, it's not a wedding, the man is withdrawing his foreign currency.
01:47:08What kind of business do these people do?
01:47:12Is it that easy? One of them sets up a fund, earns money
01:47:14from the fund.
01:47:17The other one is a vegetable wholesaler, he earns money
01:47:20from that. So, in this country, isn't there anyone who does a proper
01:47:23job and earns money? No, I don't know, teacher, it's impossible
01:47:27to do these with a salary, it's not
01:47:30possible. You can't even buy a tire for your car with a salary,
01:47:33this is not a salary, there are other and talking impudently.
01:47:37police and the prosecutor are investigating.
01:47:41They come if you throw dollars, asking where you found it, right?
01:47:44Barış Övgün, thank you very much, it was a bit of a
01:47:47busy traffic, but thank you for your support.
01:55:50Everyone's dream after working for years is to
01:55:53own a home to call their own. In the past, you could
01:55:56buy a house with a retirement bonus, but this
01:55:59gets harder and harder as years pass. Today, a retirement
01:56:02bonus is not enough even for a car, let alone a house. We asked the public,
01:56:06what can you buy at most with a retirement bonus today,
01:56:09what is it enough for? Nothing can be bought, nothing, nothing
01:56:13miserable, the retiree is miserable.
01:56:16We cannot buy anything of high material value, you cannot buy real estate, you
01:56:20can make a down payment, or it can be used for
01:56:24Now, nothing can be bought,
01:56:28not even a car. I miss the old days, it was so
01:56:31good back then, I mean, you can't buy and eat two or three kinds of fruit.
01:56:35That's what I do, what can I do, my daughter? If you don't manage, we'll lose
01:56:38our way home, my daughter. What can we do?
01:56:42It's not enough for anything, it's not enough for anything, we are still
01:56:45working at this age.
01:56:47I collect paper from markets, I collect things.
01:56:51You used to buy cars.
01:56:54People used to wonder, "Oh, I want to retire." Now
01:56:58it's just a money pouch. May God help us. One packet of seeds
01:57:01is 25 lira, calculate it, you can't even buy seeds.
01:57:05I wish it was 10 lira, 5 lira. I'm 69,
01:57:08you could buy a house for 10 lira a year, 10 lira.
01:57:11Now, those who have children can
01:57:15own a house. In the past, people could buy houses
01:57:18with their retirement bonuses, they could buy cars,
01:57:21at worst, they could make investments.
01:57:25But now, unfortunately, such a thing is not possible.
01:57:28I mean, they go on holiday as a family, I mean,
01:57:30I have a one-month retirement
01:57:33salary. I just ate at their place and came. May
01:57:36God bless those who invented
01:57:39them. As for my clothes, I manage
01:57:42with my son's clothes. For investment, maybe they buy
01:57:46some dollars or gold and put it aside, and
01:57:49try to live off the interest. Daughter, you've already
01:57:53paid the money for years, in rain, snow,
01:57:56and winter, you paid
01:57:59so give them something so they can relax.
01:58:03Nothing will happen, a car,
01:59:05The Chief Public Prosecutor's Office also says that,
01:59:08uh, we did not summon him for a statement,
01:59:12we did not take his statement, there is no such
01:59:15situation, they made a statement. We are sharing it with you as a last-minute update.
01:59:18A denial came from the Silivri Chief Public Prosecutor's Office
01:59:21to Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı. They say we did not summon
01:59:24him for a statement, his statement was not taken. Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı
01:59:28tweet on his social media account,
01:59:31he said, "I'm going to give a statement." Details about this topic.
01:59:35In the Kozinoğlu investigation, successive
01:59:38detentions, we
01:59:42saw the exhumation process, and then we shared with you
01:59:46that the screenwriters of Kurtlar Vadisi were summoned for a statement.
01:59:49A statement came saying, "The Valley depicts society,
01:59:52we had no communication with any power center."
01:59:56We will also elaborate on their statements. Finally, there is such
02:00:00a development regarding Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı. Now,
02:00:03yes, let's start, let Tuğberk İmamoğlu's captain come. Tuğberk
02:00:06İmamoğlu's captain was found dead. A lifeless body was found
02:00:10off the coast of Silivri yesterday around 1:15 PM,
02:00:14then it was taken to the port. Of course, its structure was
02:00:17deteriorated due to saltwater, uh, that
02:00:21lifeless body, the examinations at the forensic medicine institution
02:00:24were completed, it turned out to be Tuğberk
02:00:28İmamoğlu's captain.
02:00:34price operation in food took place,
02:00:37and there are many
02:00:40issue, the operation was launched in 22 years, against 41
02:00:44vegetable and fruit distributors...