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00:00:00"One moment, sir, please. report, will a grave exhumation As a country, procedure be initiated by
00:00:04we have preferred the informal lawyer Abdurrahman Karabulut? We will ask this question, but at the same time, the video version of the images we brought to the screen with photo frames prepared in the report, the uninterrupted version, will also meet with you for the first time on Halk TV screens. Now, I will start talking to my guest, but I also ask our viewers to understand that the images we will show, a video, and actually, the events as they happened live are coming to your screens right now, that is, the images from the night Rojin disappeared and the following morning. Lawyer Abdurrahman Karabulut is with us. Welcome. Welcome, thank you. Now we are talking about the new expert report. There is information, documents, and images that emerged for the first time with the expert report that entered the file. The first thing that caught my attention was the suspect Rukiye Baştimur, and you said there is a discrepancy between her statements and the technical base data. Let's start with these discrepancies, if you wish, because Rukiye Baştimur is also the last person Rojin spoke to and communicated with. Yes, of course, while having this report prepared, we requested from the esteemed prosecutor's office that the file be handed over to a special expert in Mersin whom we indicated. This expert prepared a report specifically on the HTS, base station records, and camera recordings within the scope of the file, as well as the individuals Rojin communicated with on certain social media accounts via email. In this report, four important suspicious situations were identified, and within the framework of these identified situations, we submitted requests to the esteemed prosecutor's office for the investigation of the truth and the clarification of these suspicious situations. These requests are currently being fulfilled, let me state that first. Previously, yes, Rojin's roommate stated in her statements that she entered the dormitory around 10:30 PM, that she tried to call Rojin but couldn't reach her, and then fell asleep around 11 PM. However, when we looked at the HTS and base station records, and within the framework of the data received from BTK, these examinations were conducted, and it is included in the file, we detected that her roommate sent a message to Rojin at 10:50 PM, and the signal from this SMS was from within Bardak village, meaning from the area where Rojin disappeared, at 10:50 PM, the phone pinged a base station. It pinged a base station, yes, so her friend's phone, let's not say pinged a base station, it already pings from the same station. According to GPS records, there is a margin of error of about 100 meters, which will be clarified further with the narrowed base station records. It was determined that she was within Bardakçı village, with her latitude and longitude. This was a determination made by a special expert. Following this, we made a request to the esteemed prosecutor's office to support this, saying that Rojin's roommate's university entry and exit times, as you know, both for the university and for the dormitory she was in, entries and exits are made by fingerprinting at the turnstile, it is not possible otherwise. We requested the identification of these for Rojin's roommate. We requested the identification of all her entry and exit fingerprint records at the turnstile for the day Rojin disappeared and for the subsequent days and months. The esteemed prosecutor's office granted our request, and in the report received as of last week, it was determined that Rojin's roommate exited the university at 7:02 PM on the evening Rojin disappeared. As you know, Rojin's last silhouette was seen at 7:04 PM. This is the exit gate of the university. Which exit gate? The exit gate facing Bardakçı village, meaning we detected her exit from there in Bardakçı village, the village where Rojin disappeared. It is called the university's common location number 6, common gate. We detected her exit from there through the turnstile. The esteemed prosecutor's office detected this. Later that same evening, at 9:02 PM, at 9 PM, hmm hmm, she entered the campus, the university, through the same gate, the common gate facing Bardakçı village. Her entry through the turnstile by fingerprinting was detected. There is no entry to the dormitory that night, also in line with these findings. As you know, when entering the dormitory, you need to fingerprint. So she entered the campus, but not the dormitory. There is no entry to the dormitory. There is absolutely no entry to the dormitory, meaning there is no such finding. Because we took all entries and exits. So Rükiye Baştimur did not go to her room in the dormitory that night. So the records show this. If she had gone, as you know, it is forbidden to enter through the turnstile after 11 PM. The turnstiles do not work. So it is not possible for her to enter anyway. We determined that she did not enter the dormitory, that she did not enter through the turnstile, according to the written response from the prosecutor's office. But interestingly, she exited the dormitory through the turnstile at 10:01 AM. So it is possible that she entered through other ways in the late hours of the night or towards morning, because it is not possible to enter through the turnstile after 11 PM. This creates a suspicion that her roommate was also not in the dormitory until the late hours of the night, that she was outside the dormitory. It is highly probable that she was in Bardakçı village, and these suspicions are formed from our perspective. Yes, Mr. Abdurrahman, the SMS time you first gave was 10:50 PM. Now, at 7:02 PM, she exits towards Bardakçı. At 9:02 PM, she enters, but not the dormitory, but the university campus. And since it is forbidden to enter after 11 PM, perhaps her entry and exit are not seen. She might have entered after 11 PM, and in the meantime, at 10:50 PM, she actually wants to communicate with Rojin and sends an SMS. Let's not forget this, it's also an important detail. And right now, I would like to ask my director Ali to rewind the footage. We are showing exclusive footage. Ali, let's rewind the footage. There is a house. At night, a heavy object is left at that house with the same vehicle. If you can see it too, Mr. Abdurrahman, a heavy object is left at this house at night with the same vehicle. Then in the morning... we are showing the daytime footage because it is clearer. We see the same heavy object being carried. This detail is also included in the report. How do you interpret this footage? Now, in both the witness statements and the minutes dated 10/10/2024, a white vehicle is constantly mentioned. These camera recordings are from cameras detected within Bardakçı village, meaning one of the cameras identified by the police homicide bureau. On the evening or night Rojin disappeared, there is activity at this house, which would be clearer in the previous footage, and it is seen that two men and one woman, two men and one woman, it is clear that it is a woman, according to our findings, an object, a heavy object, was dragged into this house by two people. This finding was made by the expert, and these images were, of course, clarified further with a special device. The next morning, it was determined that the object carried into this house at night was again dragged into this white vehicle and taken away. Of course, these are serious suspicions that could be formed. Unfortunately, no investigation was conducted regarding these. No investigation was conducted regarding the issue we just mentioned. Actually, if the existing findings in the file had been examined more meticulously and more seriously, these suspicions would have surfaced a long time ago. Of course, when we first received the file, we approached the file with the scenario that Rojin was either directly killed, or knocked out, or deprived of her liberty and thrown into a vehicle. In the later stages, the possibility of her being taken to Lake Van by a sea vehicle became a strong suspicion for us. The issues we identified are also of a nature that confirms this scenario. No findings were made regarding this vehicle and the people living in this house. Based on this footage, we requested from the esteemed prosecutor's office to identify who lived in this house at that time, who lives there now, who lived there in previous years, and to identify this vehicle, who the vehicle driver was, and to identify these people at that time. Investigations regarding these are, of course, being conducted by the prosecutor's office. So, you will likely request a grave exhumation, is that right? First, let me ask. Yes, now, within a week's time, since the day we received the file, we have made over 30 requests. We shared some of them. Many of these have been met, over 90%. Investigations are still ongoing, and some have yielded results. Soon, especially after the narrow base station analysis, our esteemed prosecutor informed us in our meeting last week that only 6-7 people remain, and that the narrow base station analysis is nearing completion. Along with this narrow base station analysis, there are suspects whose names we added and whose phones we requested to be examined. These names and phones were given to the team conducting the narrow base station analysis. We expect the narrow base station analysis to be completed within a few days, based on the information given to us by the esteemed prosecutor. If the results of our requests do not satisfy us within this week, we would like to state that we are absolutely determined to exhume the grave and perform the diatom test. I have also discussed this with the family, and they have agreed. Most likely, next week, we will request the grave to be exhumed and the diatom test to be performed. I would especially like to explain this. The diatom test was requested to be performed in January 2025, but the forensic medicine department... will not yield healthy results. What is that test again? Diatom test. What does it determine? The diatom test determines whether a body found in the sea or lake was thrown into the sea after death or after being killed, or if it drowned after being thrown into the sea. And these results provide a result with about 80% accuracy. If the forensic medicine department hesitates to perform the diatom test, we have consulted with Koç University and experts in the field, and we will request that the file be given to Koç University, and we will conduct the forensic medicine part there. Is this still possible? Yes, it is still possible, because the diatoms detected in the bone marrow cells will be the same as those in Lake Van, and samples will be taken from there too. If it matches, a significant result will emerge. We believe that this will be a stronger result than the forensic medicine institution's conclusion that the cause of death should be considered drowning. We will definitely perform the diatom test next week if our requests are not satisfied within this week. Mr. Karabulut, thank you. I also thank you for your efforts. There are a few more points for Rojin that I would like to mention. Now, as you know, the phone has still not been opened here. We reached an agreement with the esteemed prosecutor's office on this. We will find a used phone of the same brand and model. There are those who tell us that they can open this phone, even very easily. We will give the phone of the same brand and model that Rojin used to that expert. If he can crack the password and open it without losing data, we will provide the phone to the cybercrime unit to ensure it is opened. I would like to explain this here. Thank you very much, Karabulut, for the information you shared and most importantly, for your efforts to clarify this incident. I thank you as well, for your contributions. Thank you, I wish you a good evening. Dear viewers, I want to quickly convey one more piece of news. Let's make the closing, at least relatively, pleasant after a heavy topic. History and music met in Beyoğlu. The Beyoğlu European Heritage Days, organized for the third time this year by Beyoğlu Municipality, began with a special concert. History and music met in Beyoğlu. The European Heritage Days began with a special concert. Our district, which has hosted different cultures, languages, and beliefs for centuries, proudly lives its polyphonic and multilayered identity in every street, in every corner. Nadia Fanton, the French Republic's Consul General in Istanbul, also emphasized the friendship between the two countries. She stated that Istanbul is a cultural heritage in itself. Long live cultural heritage, long live music, and long live Turkey-France friendship. This year, within the scope of the organization held with the theme "Heritage at Risk: Inspire, Imagine," more than 60 free events will be held. European Heritage Days will continue until September 20th. We have reached the end of our time, folks. We are concluding. To announce the unheard, to say the unsaid, to show the unseen. From the streets to politics, from markets to financial markets, from street vendor stalls to large market chains. Every morning from 7 to 10, as Turkey wakes up, we will be together in this studio. Good morning, my dear Turkey, good morning, welcome, it is September 17, 2026, Thursday. I, Gökan Kayış, together with my team of colleagues, wish you a smiling good morning and a smiling day, despite all the agendas in "Günaydın Türkiye." I want to say that a perfect storm can be talked about for the whole world, and its reflections are of course happening in Turkey. Those released, those arrested, detentions, this has also spread to the economy. There is serious activity in the fund market and the stock market. When circuit breakers were activated yesterday, Mehmet Şimşek's speech for this morning... economy.
00:00:07Because we prefer the informal economy,
00:00:10these kinds of official records,
00:00:13mathematical data do not reflect the reality of the country and its people.
00:00:16I especially want to emphasize this. That is,
00:00:20anyone who has a little interest in these issues, who has done a little reading
00:00:24about these issues, will more or less
00:00:27share my opinion and...
00:00:31"my finding." They can also express these. There are some realities for these
00:00:35matters. These are not untried incidents.
00:00:38The discipline we call economics in the world
00:00:42was invented before
00:00:45the existence of money.
00:00:47It starts with needs, because
00:00:51the basis of economics is the satisfaction of unlimited
00:00:54needs with scarce resources.
00:00:57Human beings start needing
00:01:00right from birth, and they start consuming
00:01:04resources right from birth.
00:01:06That is, when you breastfeed from your mother, your mother's milk
00:01:10is scarce. Therefore, you can breastfeed from your mother
00:01:14up to a certain point. After a certain point, you cannot,
00:01:17and you start eating. The supply
00:01:21of those foods is tied to the land. In a poem,
00:01:25it says, "The skill of the earth is until what comes from the sky." If it descends from the sky,
00:01:28the earth overflows and produces
00:01:31for you.
00:01:33In economics, when explaining
00:01:36a demand function, they give the example of a Giffen
00:01:39good. A Giffen good is actually
00:01:42what we know as potatoes. In Ireland, there was such a great famine
00:01:45that people started buying more potatoes
00:01:48as the price of potatoes increased.
00:01:51Normally, the demand function works in reverse. That is, as the price
00:01:54rises, the demand should decrease as the price of something
00:01:58rises. But'. the demand started
00:02:01to increase as the price increased. Why did it start to increase?
00:02:04We actually see a similar situation with gasoline today,
00:02:08because people have allocated all their budgets
00:02:11to goods and services they need to survive.
00:02:15To stay afloat, people have to go out.
00:02:18As the pump price increases, the amount they allocate
00:02:22to the pump in their budgets also increases. As housing prices
00:02:26increase, the amount people pay for housing
00:02:29in their budgets also increases. Now, as your budget
00:02:32for essential goods increases, this time
00:02:35you cut back on life and living. What do you cut back on? You can't
00:02:39travel, you can't buy new clothes, you can't
00:02:43consume quality food items. You can't reach anything
00:02:47that can be called luxury. This time, naturally, those
00:02:50sectors also shrink. This economics is one of the disciplines
00:02:53that the Germans emphasize greatly.
00:02:57Economics is a...
00:03:00"An economist visualized it as a machine, he made
00:03:03a machine, the economics machine. You put water in from one place, and
00:03:07the direction the water goes changes according to the machine's data. That is,
00:03:11as you play with interest, fiscal policy, and taxes, the location
00:03:14of that water changes. That water is money, yes, but you cannot manage money
00:03:18with only these. If money could be managed
00:03:21with interest and taxes in the world,
00:03:25no economy in the world would have problems. Everyone
00:03:28could manage by playing with interest and taxes." Informal
00:03:31economy, structural problems, legal security
00:03:35are the fundamental underpinnings of economics. When
00:03:38you remove these, you can play with interest as much as you want,
00:03:41you can manipulate tax policies as much as you want. Let me tell you something, Mr. Özgür
00:03:45says, naturally, rightly, cut the SCT and VAT.
00:03:48This will have no result. In a country like this, even if you
00:03:52abolish the SCT, you cannot fight inflation.
00:03:55True economics does not show this. Don't
00:03:58these not work with debt? "No, the indebted will not starve to death, at most
00:04:02they will just become pale. You have three sources of income,
00:04:06three sources of income. One, you sell your assets,
00:04:09two, you earn income, three, you borrow.
00:04:13There is no fourth in the world. There is no fourth one.
00:04:17That is, humanity will not find a fourth one from a state perspective. What
00:04:20is selling assets? It is privatization,
00:04:23it has happened. What is debt? It is the loans we take
00:04:27from abroad. What is income? It is tax. Now, we also included
00:04:30traffic fines in this, for example. Now, with these, you can manage
00:04:33the budget up to this point. You need to put structural regulations
00:04:36under this. If you appoint trustees to chicken wing sellers,
00:04:40if you think you can regulate vegetables
00:04:44and fruits by operating on wholesalers,
00:04:46you have no chance to manage this economy.
00:04:49If they are doing these wrong, catch them, arrest them, operate
00:04:53on them. I have nothing to say about these. Mr. Afşin, the operation
00:04:57on chicken sellers happened in June.
00:05:00Uh, following the decision to increase by 25 basis
00:05:04points, interest rates in the United States should be 1%
00:05:07or lower. He said, "Quickly lower interest rates
00:05:11for the United States." Does he want the Fed to listen
00:05:14to him? For example, there, institutions do not
00:05:18work at the word of the president. Daron
00:05:21Acemoglu put forward a literature
00:05:24on this sentence and received the Nobel Prize in Economics.
00:05:28That is, Daron Acemoglu's book
00:05:32"Why Nations Fail" and all the theses he put
00:05:35forward afterwards were about the system remaining
00:05:39standing if institutions remained standing. And in its introduction,
00:05:42he explains the system starting from the difference between the city
00:05:46on the Mexican border and the city in America.
00:05:49Now, what have we done to institutions? What about the Court of Accounts
00:05:53with taxes and interest? There used to be a board
00:05:56called the Prime Ministry Inspection Board. When people heard of a Prime Ministry
00:06:00inspector, their hands and arms would tremble, wondering what would happen and where it would go.
00:06:03There were ministry inspections. We have high boards that came
00:06:07with 2001. Which one's name are we pulling up, which one's name
00:06:10are we looking for? From the banking
00:06:13regulation board, from the energy regulation board,
00:06:17from the competition regulation board, all of these exist in our country.
00:06:20Public procurement, we are talking about so many tenders. Is there anyone
00:06:23who mentions the name of the Public Procurement Authority? Where is
00:06:27it? There is such an institution. Does it work? Does the Competition
00:06:30Authority work? Should the Competition Authority
00:06:33deal with wholesalers, or should the courts
00:06:37deal with them? If the courts were going to deal with them,
00:06:40why did we establish the Competition Authority? If the high board that regulates
00:06:44electricity will not deal with the electricity market, but the courts will,
00:06:48why did we establish that high board? Now, these are things that have
00:06:51been done and finished. These are topics that the world has stopped
00:06:54discussing. We are discussing
00:06:56them in 2026. It's been 4 months,
00:07:00over 3 months. Can the people eat cheap chicken?
00:07:03I was going to ask that earlier. In June, a large operation
00:07:07was carried out against 13 large chicken companies. A trustee
00:07:11was appointed, and a week later, an audit.
00:07:12If there is a need for a regulatory
00:07:17What was the result? Was a result obtained? How can a result be obtained, brother? You can't solve the fundamental
00:07:20problem. You can't dry up the source.
00:07:23Pus is coming from the man's leg, a wound is draining from the man's leg,
00:07:27and you are putting a bandage on it. There is a need
00:07:31for surgery there, a need for good care.
00:07:34You are constantly creating hospital wounds in the economy.
00:07:38How can something like this happen?
00:07:42system here, there are specialized institutions and experts
00:07:46for this in the country. There are places where people are employed for this.
00:07:50They should be looking at this. I can't understand
00:07:53a country's administration being so court-centric.
00:07:57The AK Party, look, I can't understand
00:08:01the AK Party supporting this either. The discussion mechanism
00:08:05within the AK Party has also stopped. You know, there's a very
00:08:08famous saying, attributed to Socrates, "Everything
00:08:11is political." Yes, everything is political.
00:08:15Marx says everything is class-based, but okay, everything might be class-based, but at the same
00:08:18time, isn't everything that comes from that class-based
00:08:21political? Why are we trying to manage the country
00:08:24through the courts for tomatoes, peppers, potatoes,
00:08:27chicken wings? You wrote an article about this, right? Why are we
00:08:31constantly trying to manage the country through the courts? Can a country
00:08:35be managed through the courts? Let's go then,
00:08:38let's solve the visa problem in Germany
00:08:41through the courts. Let's go back, 67,000
00:08:44children got zero, 800,000 children
00:08:48took the university entrance exam. Did the rise in
00:08:51PISA scores last week happen thanks to the courts?
00:08:55I mean, we need to get rid of
00:08:58this court-centric country management.
00:09:02Can't you lower inflation with a "command-and-control" approach?
00:09:05Inflation will go down when the command is given. Let me give you another example and conclude
00:09:09for comparison. 50%
00:09:12of Iran's budget, this is official data,
00:09:15is thanks to the oil and natural gas it sells
00:09:19to China. 50% of the budget,
00:09:22Iran relies on this in a way. What do you rely on?
00:09:24Should we search and give you a call? Ms. Gizem, you are staying, right?
00:09:28Gizem Özcan, yes. Okay, thank you. We have a very short
00:10:09Actually, we titled today a "perfect
00:10:13storm" in an economic sense. At least, Borsa Istanbul
00:10:16halted trading twice. What does this mean? What kind
00:10:20of morning will we wake up to tomorrow? These are all very important
00:10:23topics. How will citizens or small investors
00:10:27be affected by this process? These are all questions
00:10:30whose answers we are curious about. The Fed
00:10:33made a 25 basis point increase for the first
00:10:36time since 2023. What kind of impact will this have globally?
00:10:40We will be discussing all of it in the last segment, but
00:10:44before we go to break, it was Mr. Afşin's turn. Please. Let's summarize
00:10:46what we said in the last segment. If we cannot
00:10:50ensure that the concepts
00:10:53related to the economy, and the authorities
00:10:57related to the economy manage it, and if we fundamentally
00:11:00interpret these matters through the judiciary and think we can solve them through the judiciary,
00:11:04forgetting that we live in a free market, open economy state,
00:11:08then we will make things unmanageable. Therefore,
00:11:12I would like to underline this: our problem
00:11:15of deep poverty in the economy, our inflation
00:11:18problem, currency pressure, Central
00:11:21Bank policies, and other macro-scale issues,
00:11:29the last resort should be the judiciary,
00:11:32because in its own dynamic,
00:11:39hand theory of classical economics,
00:11:43the market should regulate these things within
00:11:45itself without anyone noticing.
00:11:48If we turn to tomatoes, peppers,
00:11:52meat, chicken with indictments
00:11:55and memorandums, we will make this matter
00:11:58even more unmanageable. We are already seeing the results in front of us.
00:12:02The marginalization of institutions,
00:12:05rendering institutions unimportant, making them dysfunctional,
00:12:08and along with these, people moving away
00:12:12from an environment of trust, being pushed into the informal
00:12:15economy, are all contributing factors that trigger
00:12:19each other. You cannot solve these by lowering
00:12:22or raising interest rates, or with tax policies alone.
00:12:26First, you need to provide confidence to the market, convince people
00:12:30that these will be solved, and you, starting with
00:12:33public savings, need to show that you are making
00:12:37sacrifices, that for this nation, you are the first
00:12:40to be in trouble and that you are working
00:12:43under the most difficult conditions. But if you
00:12:47give any minister, any manager, the latest
00:12:50model official cars, bodyguards, etc.,
00:12:53very high-income board memberships,
00:12:57you will turn the system upside down by giving
00:13:00these away. This business starts with public savings.
00:13:03Without the public saving, without the public showing it,
00:13:07you cannot expect savings from the people. You cannot correct
00:13:10this system without designing
00:13:13and regulating public institutions, and you cannot
00:13:16solve these issues through the judiciary.
00:13:20Uh, I think he has something to say. Oh, you
00:13:24today... "I thought you would speak,
00:13:27but okay then, Professor Bülent
00:13:30isn't here either, let's continue. Now, this circuit breaker story... From
00:13:34that topic, before that topic, a very small,
00:13:37uh, let's not say misunderstanding, a difference, a small annotation.
00:13:41What is said is important, of course, but the thesis
00:13:43that everything will be regulated by the market if you leave
00:13:47everything to the market can also bring
00:13:51a big mistake. You "Today, you left it to the market, and the market
00:13:55says, 'My production cost is this,' and 'I can only
00:13:59give this much.' There are companies that confront farmers,
00:14:02and
00:14:05at the end of the day, we are discussing, 'Oh, but it can't be like this,' and 'These
00:14:09are exploiting the farmers.' This is another quarrel.
00:14:12When you refer the matter to the judiciary,
00:14:15I completely agree that there is no solution.
00:14:18That is, 'Oh, you are exploiting the farmer here,'
00:14:22and 'The intermediaries are making a lot of money.'
00:14:27You can't beat them with law, it makes the problem bigger. Up to this point, I absolutely agree.
00:14:31But if you don't beat them with law,
00:14:34what you'll do is leave farmers and companies face to face,
00:14:37and that doesn't yield favorable results either. No, but
00:14:41there's the Ministry of Trade, and the Competition Authority. Let
00:14:45them intervene. Let them not allow cartels.
00:14:48Let them not allow the imposition of prices on farmers,
00:14:51common price setting. For example, chicken producers gathering
00:15:02Look, those mechanisms exist, but
00:15:05when the mechanisms hold companies, if you don't have
00:15:09an agricultural policy, at the end of the day, they can come
00:15:12out without any tricks and say, "This is the price
00:15:16under today's market conditions." But
00:15:18if there were an agricultural policy, if there were a plan
00:15:22for how to support it, how to produce cheap and healthy food,
00:15:25if transportation channels
00:15:27could be established, it would be a different result.
00:15:31But if you leave it to single hands, at the end of the day,
00:15:34in a big global world, in a ruthless
00:15:37and even in the most regulated Western capitalism,
00:15:41you eventually go towards this: secretly using migrant
00:15:44labor. Just ban it, it doesn't work
00:15:48like that. In politics, the one who has a say
00:15:51is still a capital group. When institutions function and don't
00:15:55see fraud on paper, there's no chance of intervention. That's
00:15:58why we insistently need to discuss something else:
00:16:02that only a return to real policies will save us.
00:16:06This was something the opposition frequently did in the 2023 elections.
00:16:09When Mehmet Şimşek said "I will return," the government
00:16:13looked right. "Okay, the real one has come, he will do it for you, you are not needed."
00:16:17The six-party table prepared a program saying "we will return to real
00:16:20politics." Then the government said, "Oh, no need,
00:16:24the opposition will bring Mehmet Şimşek, I will implement the real
00:16:27policy better than him," and the economists at that table applauded
00:16:31the first 6 months. But Mehmet Şimşek is
00:16:34coming.
00:16:40And, that is, he returned to structural interest,
00:16:43only interest. That is, when he took it from 8.5, it was already
00:16:46from the economy of "what's happening to us," we were already on the verge
00:16:50of no return from the economy. Yes, that's
00:16:57he said that a rule-based,
00:17:01transparent, rational management would be returned to, meaning predictable and transparent.
00:17:05Now, have we returned to rule-based management? Is it happening
00:17:09as written in the book, in the law, in the constitution?
00:17:12This is one. If not, will there be predictability? This is two. Now, without
00:17:16these, they were just saying that they would make structural
00:17:19reforms only with interest. What structural reforms were made?
00:17:23But I apologize to Mehmet Şimşek, maybe you would like to continue from here.
00:17:26I remember Mehmet Bey said in a television program, I think it was NTV
00:17:30this time, that they started making structural reforms
00:17:33and would continue to do so. Are these structural reforms?
00:17:39And the friend didn't ask,
00:17:41"Okay, which one, for example?" He didn't say that.
00:17:45I mean, if it were me, I would have said, "I don't know, blame my ignorance."
00:17:49For example, what was done? Was the Central Bank's autonomy returned? What happened?
00:17:52That is, now, if you look at the things
00:17:55that are being tried to be done under the name
00:17:59of reform, we will bring in a flexible
00:18:02working model, meaning we will use cheaper labor more flexibly.
00:18:06He said we will transform vocational education for quality education.
00:18:10It turned into more children being exploited under
00:18:13the name of vocational education. They wrote the retirement system.
00:18:16There is a model in their minds where no one will retire
00:18:20for 3 years. They write this as a reform,
00:18:23what we know as retirement in the grave. I mean, did they just
00:18:27discover this? They had been writing it for 3 years,
00:18:31except for this last thing. There is no new regulation regarding
00:18:34retirement. When they say "reform,"
00:18:37"they actually mean something that will make
00:18:41the situation even more difficult for workers, not a radical
00:18:44reform. But they say
00:18:48"reform" for this: "We will bring industry to Anatolia."
00:18:52Now, is it really bringing it? If you go to the Ministry of Industry's
00:18:55website, you will see many organized industrial
00:18:59zones. But at the end of the day, you don't
00:19:02see a development story in that region. So,
00:19:05they can say, "I'm doing reform, I'm taking industry
00:19:08to Anatolia," but it's not enough. What I mean
00:19:12is not just leaving it to the law and the market, but to create
00:19:15a regulatory and balancing
00:19:18force. To write a program for this,
00:19:21to lead its policy, is a role of the opposition.
00:19:25Institutions, these are what you said, master, regulatory and supervisory
00:19:28institutions. If we go to the stock market, the circuit
00:19:32breaker issue, I mean, what kind of morning will we wake up to tomorrow?
00:19:35This is a concern for many small investors. It's a
00:19:38very, very important
00:19:41issue right now. That is, there are 3.5 million people
00:19:45in this country who have money in these funds, around 100,000
00:19:49liras, around 100,000 liras.
00:19:52People who say they have investments of around 100,000
00:19:55liras have directed their money to these funds, especially through banks. Why
00:19:59is this happening? Banks say, "Unfortunately,
00:20:03we can't preserve the value of money in foreign currency,
00:20:07gold is no longer gaining value,
00:20:10what should we do? Let's buy funds on your behalf."
00:20:13With the guidance of banks, impoverished people with
00:20:16a little money turned to these funds through banks so that
00:20:20their money wouldn't lose value. And today, millions
00:20:24of people are truly worried, wondering what is happening.
00:20:27So, what's happening? Well, let's
00:20:30start from here. Exactly
00:20:33what you would expect from the stock market
00:20:36of a country where there are corruption,
00:20:40seizure of assets, and political favoritism
00:20:43is what we have. Now, what does this mean? I mean, in a country
00:20:46where we wake up to news
00:20:49about corruption and gang activity every
00:20:51day, what does it mean that the stock market is like this?
00:20:55In the stock market, it seems very regulated
00:20:57to us. There is the supervision of the Capital
00:21:00Markets Board. If funds are taken through banks,
00:21:04there is the supervision of the Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency.
00:21:07How can this happen? People might think that this
00:21:11area should not be discussed in terms of gang activity
00:21:14or asset seizure, but it didn't happen that way.
00:21:18On the contrary... "This is what happened:
00:21:22Before our eyes for months now,
00:21:25this has been happening: companies like
00:21:28Katılım Evim form a fund
00:21:31under a company umbrella and tell
00:21:35citizens, "Come and buy my fund." The
00:21:38citizen, with their small investment, goes and buys a share
00:21:41from there. These shares are traded on the stock market. But
00:21:45we see that suddenly,
00:21:48Katılım Evim has become a huge, giant
00:21:52company worth 8 billion liras. Now, is this possible?
00:21:55When a lawyer, even a female
00:21:59judge, was placed in the management of the Capital Markets Board
00:22:02and it was said that there was work for her,
00:22:05it was said that there would be legal support and a much more solid
00:22:09audit. In that very place, there is a huge
00:22:12gain in value. It surpasses banks.
00:22:15It's richer than Ford, which has been around for years,
00:22:19the largest representative of Turkey's largest metal sector.
00:22:22It's a Katılım Evim that's richer than Sabancı's companies.
00:22:26Can its value really be this much?
00:22:29No one asks. Everyone wants to believe
00:22:32that the pot gave birth, like Nasreddin Hodja's story,
00:22:36because the person who wants their small
00:22:40amount of money to gain value sees no harm in this sweet money
00:22:43flow. But they don't believe it died. That's true, but
00:22:46when it comes to dying, that's where the big problem
00:22:51comes in. "Does the pot die?" everyone really 8 billion in value?
00:22:55No. Well, it was on paper, you might think. Now,
00:22:59viewers are asking, "If you say it wasn't there, does it mean it wasn't there?"
00:23:03Bülent might be saying from the screen, "It was on paper," but how
00:23:05was it there? Katılım Evim is under the umbrella
00:23:09of a company. That company goes and buys the
00:23:13shares of the fund it created, it buys the shares
00:23:16of its own institution. Uh, I have
00:23:20a family. I go to my child and say,
00:23:23"Take this money for your expenses, take these shares." I set up a system
00:23:27within the house and keep circulating it,
00:23:31and it constantly looks like there's investment
00:23:35there, but there is no investment. The same holding
00:23:39and its subsidiary holding, whose executives are now being prosecuted
00:23:42and detained, that holding that Katılım Evim is part of,
00:23:46buys its shares. Shares constantly gain value,
00:23:49you see, but the buyer is the same person. Well, what does the same company do when it buys?
00:23:53A question might come up. This is what it does: when it borrows,
00:23:57it pledges this stock. The same money keeps turning
00:24:00over two or three times. Yes, constantly churning
00:24:04with no real value. And it's being churned.
00:24:07Eventually, when this reaches
00:24:09its peak,
00:24:12the big players, quietly and deeply, don't say "we grew up" or anything.
00:24:15Around 30% of the stock market determines the market in the end.
00:24:20He said that this much fraud in the stock market must end.
00:24:23Just like allowing companies to launder black
00:24:26money, cryptocurrencies,
00:24:30the bubble eventually burst somewhere, it had to burst.
00:24:33A decision was made that this would stop. Now,
00:24:37free funds will not be able to buy company shares
00:24:40as they wish. A limit was imposed.
00:24:42It buys its own company's shares continuously.
00:24:46This is fraud, and they stopped
00:24:50it. When it was stopped,
00:24:53this happened: money fleeing from funds.
00:24:56This time, when people
00:24:59applied to withdraw their money,
00:25:03because the money was constantly being churned, if it was 100 lira,
00:25:06300 lira is seen, now there is a demand for 300 lira, but there is
00:25:09no such money available, so what was heard in the morning as a circuit breaker
00:25:13and such, actually seems like a very technical
00:25:16issue, but the issue is this for everyone.
00:25:20Don't rush to get
00:25:22your money, let the stock market not crash completely,
00:25:25because which company inflated which stock
00:25:28and how much it pledged, what should the small investor do? The small investor naturally
00:25:32wants it, but today,
00:25:36many companies that sell stocks through stock funds
00:25:39announced this:
00:25:42"I will announce a price once a month. When you apply to me based on that price,
00:25:46I will buy your stock one month or 15 days later."
00:25:53"Okay, you bought it, but can you get it when I say 'hello'?" I'm saying
00:25:57you can't get it. Today
00:26:00I'm announcing that I want my money back now.
00:26:02My stock buyers
00:26:05can buy it 15 days after the price I announced.
00:26:09Some also spread that they can buy it one month
00:26:13later, because it's
00:26:16not a sum of money that can be paid to all shareholders
00:26:20simultaneously in today's cash crunch.
00:26:23They take cash when buying, but give it in installments when selling.
00:26:26This is the situation right now. So, will many people be able to buy?
00:26:30What will happen? There is no guarantee for these things. It can be asked.
00:26:34After all, it's not an infinite
00:26:36horse farm. Of course, there is SPK assurance,
00:26:40there are parts behind it that are guaranteed, but it also guarantees
00:26:44that you can buy your stock. Your stock lost value,
00:26:47it dropped from 10 liras to 2 liras, you can take that 2 liras. "Even if it's low,
00:26:51I'll still take my money." I can say that.
00:26:54So, my mind doesn't really
00:26:57work on these issues, so it's hard to understand.
00:27:01Your money is saved.
00:27:05As far as I understand, your money
00:27:08doesn't remain, meaning you get it in the end.
00:27:12But if you lost money,
00:27:14are you buying a bird or a chicken? What did you give, what did you
00:27:18get? There's that saying, "I've given up on my profit, just don't steal a stone
00:27:22from my grave." So, I've even given up on my profit, let me just save the principal,
00:27:25but that's not guaranteed either. It's like, "Did I live with Dougan
00:27:29that I'm with Bet Dougan?" Something like that. Truck slogans.
00:27:32Of course, at this hour,
00:27:35we can come to this coffee shop. The real big
00:27:38risk is a chain reaction. We don't
00:27:42know which companies are at risk of bankruptcy.
00:27:45Many publicly traded
00:27:48companies in the money markets are at risk. This means
00:27:52that the money of millions
00:27:55of people who applied to these
00:27:59institutions to buy a house
00:28:02or a car is not yet fully clear. For those with shares,
00:28:06they may lose value and buy, but there are also
00:28:09parts of these jobs that are not guaranteed.
00:28:11In the morning, the economic council will convene
00:28:15and try to set a direction. Yes, Mr. Şimşek has gathered his economic team.
00:28:19Now, a 25 basis point increase, the first Fed
00:28:22rate hike decision after 2023,
00:28:26raised it to the 375-4 range. What kind of
00:28:29global impact will this have? I will ask Mr. Bülent
00:28:33about this shortly, but our fight against inflation
00:28:36is not, as we said, a process that started this year or with Mr. Şimşek's second
00:28:40term. In fact, the fight against
00:28:43inflation has been going on for many
00:28:46years. We constantly see updated medium-term
00:28:50programs and targets. Sometimes Central Bank Governor Fatih Karahan
00:28:53explains, sometimes Cevdet Yılmaz explains, sometimes Mehmet Şimşek
00:28:56explains, but the President has been explaining for a very long time.
00:29:00Let's watch the President's predictions about inflation falling
00:29:04to single digits, which began in which
00:29:07years.
00:29:15We will reach the single-digit
00:29:17inflation rate. God willing, inflation
00:29:21will drop to single digits in 2020.
00:29:24We will swiftly bring inflation to
00:29:27single digits. We are determined to lower inflation
00:29:31to single digits. We will definitely
00:29:34bring the problem down to single digits
00:29:38as in the past. We will again bring
00:29:42inflation down to single-digit
00:29:46inflation rates. He will bring
00:29:49inflation down to single digits.
00:29:53We first started hearing a prediction from the President
00:29:56in 2019 about single-digit inflation in 2020,
00:29:59but it didn't happen, it's not happening, and it doesn't seem like it will happen, at least
00:30:03in the short and medium term. Now, what I want to understand
00:30:07is this: I will come to Gizem hanım, but first, let me go with Akif Beki on this.
00:30:10Let's say, as we said, we talked for the first
00:30:14two hours. An early snap election or an election
00:30:17on time will happen at some point. Given this situation,
00:30:20what economic program do you think Mr. Şimşek
00:30:24will implement? He says, "I have never
00:30:27crushed my civil servants and pensioners with inflation, and I will not do so again."
00:30:30What will save civil servants and pensioners They say they will not
00:30:34implement and will not compromise on the fight against inflation,
00:30:38even if there is an election. Okay, it's written in the medium-term program,
00:30:41"Aren't you reading it?" he says, and then scolds them, gives them a telling-off.
00:30:45But which medium-term program has ever succeeded
00:30:48for this one to succeed? I mean, people read it,
00:30:52but how can they believe and trust that it will be adhered
00:30:55to? Are we in such a country where the government can say,
00:30:58"There is a program, but I'm not implementing it"?
00:31:01Of course, I am fighting inflation, I cannot
00:31:05distribute election bribes. I mean, what can we do?
00:31:08Pensioners were waiting for the ballot box for me to make them happy.
00:31:12Now the ballot box has arrived, but I don't have enough money to make them happy.
00:31:18If there were a government that would say this, would it have insisted
00:31:22so much on a Central Bank that listens?
00:31:26That's the root of everything. The start of this deterioration
00:31:29in monetary policies. The insistence on a Central Bank
00:31:33president who listens, the insistence of the management, the insistence that Central Bank
00:31:36governors should do what the government
00:31:39and political will say, instead of the monetary policies
00:31:43they know are right for the economy.
00:31:47That's what the insistence on a Central Bank that listens means.
00:31:50Now, if the government
00:31:53were so keen on doing the right thing, we wouldn't be here today.
00:31:57In 2018,
00:32:00when Erdoğan was re-elected in the presidential
00:32:03government system, he said, "Our nation
00:32:07has given us all the authority we asked for.
00:32:10There is no room for excuses anymore.
00:32:13We have no choice but to succeed."
00:32:16He said there was no room for excuses or pretexts anymore.
00:32:19Now we've reached 2026.
00:32:23From 2018 to now, despite using the powers
00:32:26requested to fight inflation, we see the failure
00:32:29to reduce inflation to single digits,
00:32:32which was the biggest promise of this system.
00:32:36The report card is evident. The government is facing an election.
00:32:39Looking at its track record
00:32:42so far, it doesn't
00:32:45have a history of going to the polls
00:32:49without implementing an election
00:32:51economy, what should we say, it doesn't
00:32:55have such a practice. Will it do it this time
00:32:59for the first time? If it does, this will be a first.
00:33:03For the first time, the AK Party will take voters to the polls
00:33:06without implementing an election economy, without distributing election bribes,
00:33:10without opening the purse strings,
00:33:13without throwing money around. Will it do it? Is this
00:33:16credible? Who would believe it?
00:33:20I probably don't need to give an answer;
00:33:23it's self-evident. It's contrary
00:33:26to common sense. Looking back, they didn't do it
00:33:29even in easier times.
00:33:32When they had more public support,
00:33:36when they had more public support,
00:33:40when they scored higher in polls, and when money was relatively
00:33:43more abundant than today. They didn't say,
00:33:47"Let me not waste it now, let me not
00:33:50squander it." But now, there's this: Mr. President, at the point when he understood
00:33:54or felt he was going to lose, let's say,
00:33:57the President, who said he wouldn't implement EYT
00:34:00even if it cost him his government, had to implement EYT.
00:34:04Bravo. I don't compare anything with the government.
00:34:07We know Mr. President. We know Mr. President.
00:34:09So, for a 25 election
00:34:12without economy.
00:34:23We have no doubt, no concern, because there are millions who
00:34:26accept that everything the President says is true at the moment he says it.
00:34:29How did the President run an election campaign
00:34:33against Kılıçdaroğlu with Kandil videos and
00:34:36montage videos? Today, a villa for Öcalan?
00:34:40A residence? A 250 square meter house?
00:34:43That's being debated. "AK Party voters say yes to that, and yes
00:34:47to this. So, there's such an ease in them. This is
00:34:50the aspect of our politics not unique
00:34:53to the AK Party. You know, in the past, it was called populist
00:34:56politics. In the past, during election times, do you remember
00:34:59the two key promises? Do you remember
00:35:03the promise of 'whatever they give, I give five times'?
00:35:06Whatever they give... Now the AK Party
00:35:09used to say, 'they say it, we do it.' This became true.
00:35:13Before the 2023 elections, the opposition..."
00:35:20Then he turned around and started saying, "Because of them,
00:35:23EYT became such a burden on the budget, now we are paying the price for it."
00:35:27He blamed the opposition for this too, but he took the credit
00:35:30and the votes himself. He took the votes for that promise himself.
00:35:34Giving five times more, that populism has such a cost.
00:35:37After all, the tea is not from the company,
00:35:40this tea will ultimately come out of the citizens' pockets, like the government.
00:35:46For example, in electricity, in energy, there are certain
00:35:49subsidies. The government provides some
00:35:53subsidies to alleviate the cost for citizens.
00:35:57These are also communicated to citizens. Do you remember
00:36:00the last election in 2023? How much was on electricity
00:36:04bills? These are our
00:36:07treats, those messages were sent to let you know
00:36:10who they were from. But what happened? What happened?
00:36:13Whose treats were those?
00:36:17Whose pocket did that come from?
00:36:19The teas and cakes will be free in the nation's gardens. You'll eat
00:36:23the cakes and roll around, roll around.
00:36:33The pain of those, the pain of those sweet dates we ate in the morning,
00:36:37does it come back to us or not? We are in the evening of that day. That day
00:36:40we ate those dates in the morning,
00:36:44this is its evening. Now the pain is coming out. Well,
00:36:48we are heading towards a new day,
00:36:51an election is coming again. The countdown to an election dawn has begun.
00:36:54We are discussing what the government will do this year.
00:36:58Can it restrain itself from populism?
00:37:01With your permission, teacher, let's continue. I agree with
00:37:05the thesis and method that the government will press every
00:37:08button to seize power. But this time,
00:37:12for the sake of our viewers, on my behalf,
00:37:16I find it important to open a small
00:37:20parenthesis while I'm here. I have an observation when following
00:37:23the economy. I don't think anyone should expect
00:37:28such generous distributions as in 2023.
00:37:31Why? In 2023,
00:37:35we saw the average pension of 11,000 suddenly
00:37:39subsidized to over 20,000 liras, we saw a determination
00:37:42for the lowest pension. Everything
00:37:46there was, we would find gas for development,
00:37:49we would fly with warships and so on. So,
00:37:52from a dream of development to enriching
00:37:55ourselves through military occupations. "From putting money
00:37:58in your pocket to seeing better days
00:38:02in the future, he pressed every button. Please insert a comma,
00:38:05Gizem, because I said I would go after Akif Bey,
00:38:07I will come to you before this round ends. For example, bridges
00:38:11were also discussed, it's such an economic bottleneck that we are not selling
00:38:15but transferring the operating rights for 30 years.
00:38:18When asked why you are transferring them, the answer was
00:38:22that it was for better service, for maintenance and repairs
00:38:25to be done by those companies. So, it was not
00:38:29because we were short on money, it was not about cash.
00:38:33What does it have to do with it? The economy is already booming. Of course, it has nothing to do with it.
00:38:36It's about maintenance, repair, and renovation being done
00:38:39more easily and professionally. But this was perhaps
00:38:42a public opinion poll for now, a pulse check was taken,
00:38:46Gizem Hanım. But it is rumored
00:38:50in the backstage that it was postponed
00:38:54if not given up on for now due to the reactions.
00:38:56Again before the election. Or after the election,
00:38:59can bridges, for example, or highways
00:39:02be a source of financing,
00:39:06not to say a door, for the government?
00:39:09Yes, elections
00:39:13cannot be postponed indefinitely, that ballot box will definitely come
00:39:17at some point. However, the really important
00:39:19thing here is with what economic tools
00:39:22the government will approach these elections.
00:39:26Now, the cost of the policies they implemented
00:39:29in previous election periods, such as tax cuts,
00:39:32wage increases, and credit expansion,
00:39:36is much higher now.
00:39:39Therefore, the core
00:39:42of Minister Şimşek's statement is perhaps that point, that there is
00:39:46a need for financing as you mentioned,
00:39:49which is why this direction is being taken today.
00:39:52However, we have always said this:
00:39:56"Look, we are, of course, in favor of building bridges,
00:40:00roads, and bringing services to this country.
00:40:03But how it is done and with what resources
00:40:07is important." So, can you use public resources
00:40:10correctly here? Can it be built at a reasonable
00:40:14cost? While debating this, they took it up another
00:40:17notch. So much so that
00:40:21the privatization of bridges
00:40:23and highways, and consequently,
00:40:27the arrival of foreign capital, made it a source
00:40:31of financing. But, of course,
00:40:34the government has been employing another method for a long time:
00:40:38if it's going to implement a transaction, it first debates it publicly.
00:40:42Believe me, it does the same when passing a law. For example,
00:40:45a practice developed before a bill even came to parliament,
00:40:49which shouldn't happen, meaning,
00:40:53in a way incompatible with the seriousness of the Grand
00:40:55National Assembly of Turkey. First... That package is somehow
00:40:58leaked, debated, and depending on the reaction
00:41:02from society, a tradition has been formed
00:41:05under the roof of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey
00:41:09whether to bring it or to make a revision to it.
00:41:12So, look, this is extremely dangerous,
00:41:16and today, when we look, this economic
00:41:19system has truly collapsed. That's why, as you explained
00:41:23earlier, they said, "We will bring it down to single digits,
00:41:27we will bring it down to single digits." It's like they say, "If you say it 40 times, it will happen,"
00:41:31but that single-digit dream has never come true.
00:41:35And at the same time,
00:41:38there was a government shouting, "Give us the authority,
00:41:41see the impact." That authority
00:41:45was given. Today, we see its effect
00:41:48in 2026 as diesel reaching triple-digit figures,
00:41:52and we have seen it in many other areas,
00:41:56we are living it. Now, the formation of these economic
00:41:59policies, providing concrete
00:42:03answers to economic and social problems, is very valuable.
00:42:06As the new party, we provide those exact
00:42:10concrete answers. But today, the government is not able
00:42:13to formulate these concrete answers, and one of the reasons
00:42:17is that, beyond the policies at this point,
00:42:20as mentioned earlier, the institutions and rules
00:42:24are not functioning. That is the biggest incident that has happened so far.
00:42:28And of course, the sense of justice
00:42:32in this sense has truly suffered
00:42:35a serious erosion. When we say justice,
00:42:39it's not just justice in court. Of course, justice in court,
00:42:42but also social justice, justice in the streets, justice
00:42:46in taxation. Society has a very serious
00:42:49need for a sense of justice. I mean, it deeply feels it.
00:42:53So, what is the government doing in this process? Look, the Ministry of Justice
00:42:56sent a circular to 81 provinces in recent
00:42:59days, and to public prosecutor's offices.
00:43:02Now, the Ministry of Justice can send circulars to public prosecutor's
00:43:05offices in an administrative sense, but it cannot
00:43:09send them regarding the exercise of judicial authority, because
00:43:13the ministry is an executive body. When we explain all these things,
00:43:16when we say them, when we say to apply the functioning
00:43:20of institutions and rules correctly in this sense,
00:43:23we are actually trying to explain
00:43:26the holistic approach in this society. Today, the point
00:43:30we have reached is also an incident created by the negative
00:43:34practices applied then and today. Also, as Bülent Bey
00:43:37explained earlier, why are people
00:43:40directing towards the stock market? It's so sad that
00:43:43while listening to that, I thought, for a young
00:43:47person today, finding a job is a dream in Turkey. Let's say
00:43:51they somehow found a job, started working.
00:43:54Investing with the salary they earn, being able
00:43:57to buy things, is another dream. Look, after achieving
00:44:00one dream, the other becomes another dream. In the past,
00:44:04someone who got a job
00:44:06could get married. After getting married, they could work together
00:44:10with their spouse and buy a car. They could take a loan and buy a house.
00:44:13Since none of these are possible anymore,
00:44:16they are trying to find a solution so that the money
00:44:20they saved, little by little, doesn't lose
00:44:24to inflation. Truly, effort is being made to keep
00:44:27it valuable at some point, and at this point,
00:44:30there is a need to use various investment tools.
00:44:33In fact, at the root of the problem, there is another problem.
00:44:37The problem that comes before us today.
00:44:40At its root, there is actually another
00:44:43and deeper social problem. A government
00:44:47that does not evaluate all these things,
00:44:50that saves the day, that acts with the logic of "let's get
00:44:54through an election," will not create any other
00:44:58environment of peace and prosperity in this country. Also, what was said earlier
00:45:01about purchasing power, they always say this to us
00:45:05repeatedly when we come to parliament and there is a debate:
00:45:08"Well, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago,
00:45:11this was not available, it could not be found."
00:45:15There was scarcity back then, meaning that product didn't
00:45:18exist, there was a supply problem. It's really a problematic thing.
00:45:22Now everything is available, everything can be accessed,
00:45:26supply is provided, but there is poverty
00:45:29in the country, people are deprived. They are deprived of being able
00:45:33to access things. They have been deprived. It is truly
00:45:36stuck between these. When we go out to the streets
00:45:39and talk to citizens... Let me just say this last
00:45:42thing. They said earlier, "We will make reforms here,
00:45:46we will do this." oil. These were announced.
00:45:50Please don't find anything. Everything they find
00:45:53ends up worse, more expensive for us. This is truly the citizen's
00:45:56perspective now. But no one
00:46:00should lose hope. As I said earlier,
00:46:03we have many resources. Our biggest resource
00:46:06is our human resources. As long as it is managed with the right
00:46:10policies, all these problems will definitely be overcome.
00:46:14As long as it is handed over to reliable
00:46:17and correct hands. No one should lose hope. Together,
00:46:20we will build a productive Turkey and a prosperous Turkey.
00:46:24we'll finish in a few minutes. So I don't
00:46:28want to keep you waiting in front of the screen anymore. Gizem
00:46:31Özcan, Deputy Chair of the New Party,
00:46:41good evening. Good evening, my last few minutes, so it's beneficial to get the final
00:46:45assessment from an expert. Okay,
00:46:48if it's a few minutes, let me say this:
00:46:52Gizem hanım said the cost of distributing money as much as before is high. Absolutely.
00:46:56They are holding the exchange rates.
00:46:59As interest rates rise in America, a period
00:47:03when they will have to release them will come.
00:47:05Therefore, it's not about distributing a lot of money,
00:47:09but small incentives, small satisfying
00:47:12actions. But on a large scale, it's about increasing
00:47:16operations to disperse and suppress the opposition.
00:47:20Will we transfer MPs step by step? Will we take the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality?
00:47:31From the companies' perspective, let me also draw attention
00:47:35to that: it's a time when it's hard to produce consent with money. We've entered a period where it's already hard
00:47:38because citizens know they'll lose it immediately. Awareness has also developed
00:47:42in the citizen. For example, when you, so to speak,
00:47:46open the purse strings before the election, the citizen
00:47:49is now aware that there will be a price
00:47:53after the election, because they know clearly
00:47:56how inflation is defied. Also, it's not as easy
00:48:00to satisfy companies as it was yesterday. A new policy has been adopted:
00:48:03certain sectors are supported and developed,
00:48:07like the defense industry, but certain
00:48:09sectors, which should develop with new technological breakthroughs,
00:48:13suddenly disappear and are tried to be kept alive with small incentives,
00:48:16for example, leatherworking or textiles,
00:48:20which are sectors that create a lot of employment. We see
00:48:23temporary incentives for the long term,
00:48:27specifically incentivizes certain industrial sectors.
00:48:30Now, this is not an industrialization move. When you push one side
00:48:34while collapsing the other, you don't develop.
00:48:37So, when this side decreases and this side increases,
00:48:41our tit-for-tat situation continues. Moreover, because you hit sectors that create
00:48:44more employment, this also results in unemployment. We will
00:48:48see an increase in the number of people
00:48:50with temporary jobs
00:48:53along with high inflation. This is not a situation
00:48:57that can be satisfied with money. Therefore, there is a government focused
00:49:00on increasing political violence if we're considering a precaution, an alternative
00:49:04to this, if we're thinking about a precaution to this, we always come back to the same place,
00:49:07we started broadcasting at 8 PM like this, where political violence
00:49:11increases, there's no possibility of the economy improving, this is a
00:49:14spiral, as resistance increases, the economy worsens, as the economy worsens,
00:49:18pressure increases, we're going through a strange spiral like this.
00:49:21Let's not fall into false hope, like money will be given
00:49:24and people will become ruling party voters again, has a threshold
00:49:28been crossed? Let's not
00:49:32seçmeni de çok hafife almayalım ikisini de
00:49:35aynet ben iktidar iktidar seçime gidecek de artık
00:49:38çok sıkışık durum Türkiye'de de dünyada da eee kek çay
00:49:42ikram edecek oy karşılığında parayı
00:49:45bulamayacak derseniz bana yaptıkları yapacaklarının
00:49:48teminatı ise o parayı bulur dedim.
00:50:22He dreams of avoiding the cost there this time, otherwise
00:50:25he won't do it. It's very easy.
00:50:29There's money in his policy, the same money is there. One of the ruling party's
00:50:33methods is to present itself as a safe haven in an uncertain environment.
00:50:36It used this method in past election periods,
00:50:39presenting itself as a safe haven in the uncertain environment it created.
00:50:43Today, the inflationary environment
00:50:46is felt more than in previous years.
00:50:50Wage increases in an inflationary environment trigger inflation.
00:50:53Across-the-board wage increases trigger inflation.
00:50:56If you want to reduce inflation, you need to save,
00:51:00not spend money, you need to hold onto your money.
00:51:03These are the truths that need to be done.
00:51:07You cannot prevent inflation by giving more money,
00:51:10because more money means more consumption,
00:51:12and consumption requires supply. Where there is no supply,
00:51:16prices generally increase. So, for minimum wage earners
00:51:20and retirees, people should know that if money comes into your pocket
00:51:23in a country with 30% inflation, this means that the 30% inflation
00:51:27will rise even further. Money should not enter your pocket,
00:51:31and all markets should be controlled
00:51:34and tightened. For this, fiscal
00:51:38policy and monetary policy should be controlled today.
00:51:42You don't have a chance to fight inflation
00:51:45by increasing the minimum wage from 28,000 liras
00:51:48to 50,000 liras. This is not possible.
00:51:52This is against the nature of things. So, if the nas
00:51:56economy has gone to such a point, you cannot fight inflation
00:51:59by increasing the minimum wage of 28,000 liras to 50,000,
00:52:02and increasing the civil servant salary of 80,000 liras to 110,000.
00:52:06But what is the fault of the citizen? Did the citizen cause inflation?
00:52:09If money comes into your pocket, he said, "As long as my flag
00:52:12waves and the adhan doesn't stop, I'm ready
00:52:15to go hungry." His prayer was answered this much,
00:52:19but I think this was yesterday's equation. We'll talk
00:52:23about tomorrow's equation tomorrow. Thank you very much.
00:52:26To the Halk TV viewers who have not left us alone until this hour,
00:52:30I thank our dear Avşin Hatipoğlu very much. You did not leave us alone for a moment
00:52:33during the long broadcast.
00:54:19viewers. Today we say there's a loss. There's a 6% loss in the stock market.
00:54:22It circuit-broke today. Loss in the stock market,
00:54:25loss in our pockets, loss in purchasing power, loss in the warehouse,
00:54:29loss in the will of the voters, production,
00:54:32conscience and morality. We say there's a loss
00:54:35and we begin.
00:54:53The witnesses did not come. The CHP's 38th
00:54:56Congress case, the case in which Ekrem İmamoğlu was also tried,
00:54:59was postponed to October 21st.
00:55:01ertelendi.
00:55:05did not come. The CHP's 38th Congress case was postponed to October 21st.
00:55:09The 7th hearing of the criminal case,
00:55:13filed on the grounds of irregularities in the CHP's 38th Congress,
00:55:16which was annulled by the Ankara Regional Court of Justice, was held. 12 people,
00:55:20including Ekrem İmamoğlu, are being tried
00:55:23within the scope of the case, and prison sentences of 1 to 3 years
00:55:26are sought for them. In the case heard
00:55:30at the Ankara 26th High Criminal Court, the decision stage has not yet been reached.
00:55:34In order for the prosecutor to announce his opinion,
00:55:37missing issues in the congress criminal case must be resolved, and witness
00:55:41statements must be completed. Our party's new
00:55:45General Chairman has become Mr. Özgür Özel.
00:55:48In the 7th hearing, the presiding judge stated
00:55:52that the witnesses planned to be heard did not attend the hearing.
00:55:55Hüseyin Yaşar's lawyer, İbrahim Karaca, stated
00:55:59that Çetin Kızılbulut, one of the requested witnesses, resides in Ankara,
00:56:02and requested that a summons be issued for him. Ekrem İmamoğlu's lawyer,
00:56:05Çağlar Çağlıyan, requested that the statements of Nezahat Kurt,
00:56:09who was tried in the IMM case heard in Istanbul, be added to the transcript file.
00:56:12The presiding judge accepted all these requests from the lawyers.
00:56:16In the interim decision, it was requested that the hearing
00:56:19transcript regarding Nezahat Kurt's statement at the Istanbul 33rd
00:56:23High Criminal Court be added to the file and that the witnesses
00:56:26be present at the next hearing. And he postponed
00:56:29the next hearing to October 21st.
00:56:30bıraktı.
00:56:36"Democracies rarely perish in an instant,
00:56:39instead they erode step by step, they are eroded."
00:56:43Özgür Özel, the new party leader Özgür Özel,
00:56:47wrote an article for Le Figaro, one of France's most respected newspapers,
00:56:50and he gave various examples of the situation in Turkey,
00:56:54political competition, the erosion
00:56:57of political competition and institutions,
00:57:00all of these. And he said this:
00:57:03Turkey has become a very good example
00:57:07of the increasingly complex and
00:57:10sophisticated authoritarianism
00:57:13of the 21st century. he said.
00:57:18Turkey is an important example of how the increasingly complex
00:57:21and sophisticated authoritarianism
00:57:25of the 21st century works. The basic
00:57:28lesson is simple. Democracies rarely
00:57:32disappear in an instant, they erode step by step.
00:57:35He pointed to Turkey as an example of how authoritarianism works.
00:57:39He said that democracies erode step by step and rarely disappear
00:57:43in an instant. New party leader Özgür Özel
00:57:46wrote an article in Le Figaro, one of France's respected newspapers,
00:57:50titled "Turkey, a striking example of the sophisticated authoritarianism
00:57:53of the 21st century", in which he argued
00:57:56that democratic institutions and political competition
00:57:59are increasingly eroding in Turkey.
00:58:03Özgür Özel also made an important warning
00:58:07in his article. He said that democracy in Turkey
00:58:10has been hollowed out. In the last 20 years,
00:58:13political power in Turkey has increasingly gathered around President Erdoğan.
00:58:31The arrest of Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu
00:58:35in March 2025 is one of the most striking examples of this.
00:58:38Özgür Özel also made an important warning in his article.
00:58:42He said that democracy in Turkey has been hollowed out.
00:58:45söyledi.
00:58:55Turkey is an inseparable part of Europe's democratic history.
00:58:59The direction followed today is a serious warning about
00:59:02how democracy can be hollowed out while seemingly remaining intact.
00:59:06Özel stated that after İmamoğlu's detention, access to some
00:59:09social media platforms was slowed down, and access to hundreds of accounts belonging
00:59:13to journalists, students, and politicians was restricted.
00:59:16hesaba erişime. geli getirildiğini
00:59:18In his article, Özel reminded
00:59:22that İmamoğlu's social media account was also blocked,
00:59:25and said that the use of İmamoğlu's images was prohibited,
00:59:28his family company was seized, and the book he wrote in prison
00:59:31was censored. He reminded that more than 30 opposition
00:59:34mayors have been arrested or removed from office.
00:59:38Elections are held, courts remain open,
00:59:42opposition parties continue to exist,
00:59:45and parliament continues to work.
00:59:48There is no need for democracy to be imposed on Turkey from the outside.
00:59:51The people already believe in democracy. Today, the main question
00:59:54is whether citizens' democratic preferences are still
00:59:58allowed to be transformed into political power.
01:00:01izin verilip
01:00:02İmamoğlu's answer to the question
01:00:06"Would I have stayed if there was an organization?" As you know, 414 people
01:00:10are being tried in the IMM case. The second hearing is ongoing.
01:00:13Businessman Babacan made a defense.
01:00:16Meanwhile, former IMM Secretary General
01:00:19Assistant Karakaya also answered Ekrem İmamoğlu's question.
01:00:23Ekrem İmamoğlu asked Karakaya, "Did you ever hear the word 'organization'
01:00:26in our meetings?" Karakaya said, "If
01:00:29I had heard it, would I have stayed
01:00:33in the meetings?" Businessman İbrahim Halil Babacan,
01:00:37who was accused of bribery
01:00:41in the indictment, said there was no bribery.
01:00:44He also stated that he did not hear
01:00:47the words "organization" and "system".
01:00:50The IMM case, in which 414 people,
01:00:54including IMM Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu, are being tried, is ongoing.
01:00:57Since August 17th, over 190 unarrested individuals
01:01:00have made their defense. Businessman İbrahim Halil Babacan
01:01:04is arrested not from the IMM case, but from another file.
01:01:08It was alleged in the indictment that he was asked for a bribe.
01:01:11After his defense, Bellikdüzü Mayor Mehmet Murat Çalık
01:01:15took the floor. He asked, "Did I make any demands
01:01:18under duress from you during your construction?"
01:01:21İbrahim Halil Babacan said that Çalık had no such demand.
01:01:24Thereupon, Çalık asked about the bribery allegation.
01:01:28İbrahim Halil Babacan also said that there was no bribery.
01:01:32Former IMM Secretary General Assistant Cemal Ufuk Karakaya
01:01:35was also one of the names who made a defense. He accepted none of the accusations.
01:01:39He also denied the allegation of being a member of an organization
01:01:42and stated that he only took instructions from his superiors.
01:01:45After Karakaya's defense, Ekrem İmamoğlu spoke.
01:01:49He asked Karakaya, "Did you hear the terms 'organization'
01:01:52and 'system' in our meetings?" Karakaya replied, "If
01:01:56I had heard the terms 'organization' and 'system,' would I have continued
01:01:59to work here?" The second hearing
01:02:03of the IMM case is expected to continue until the end of September.
01:02:06Unarrested individuals will make their defense.
01:02:10Ekrem İmamoğlu, who could not make his defense in the first hearing,
01:02:13is also expected to be heard in this hearing.
01:02:18In Izmir, which is seen as the main opposition's stronghold,
01:02:21the first defection is seen as Foça. The issue in Foça
01:02:25is that the AKP did not even nominate a candidate.
01:02:29because
01:02:36they say this is literally usurping our votes.
01:02:41they take the megaphone They go to the market,
01:02:46etmektir diyorlar, pazar yerine
01:02:50and they shout, "Give us back our vote,
01:02:54Saniye."
01:02:55they say.
01:03:00"Saniye Bora Fıçı, who was one of the mayors who joined the AKP,
01:03:04the public in her district rose up, even her own brother reacted.
01:03:07The reactions to Foça Mayor Saniye Bora Fıçı do not stop.
01:03:11The people of Foça also raised their voices in the marketplace.
01:03:14They called for the rally they will hold on Saturday.
01:03:18The day will come
01:03:21when she will account to history,
01:03:24to the people."
01:03:27She was elected Foça mayor from the CHP
01:03:30with 49.6% of the votes. On September 10th,
01:03:33she changed sides and joined the AKP. President Erdoğan
01:03:37pinned her badge. There was a great reaction
01:03:40from the people of Foça to Fıçı. Even her brother, former Gerenköy
01:03:44Mayor Orhan Bora, said, "I will never forgive her throughout my life."
01:03:48The reactions to Saniye Bora Fıçı do not stop. The members
01:03:51of the Foça "I Stand by My Democratic Will" initiative went to the Tuesday market.
01:03:54They called for Fıçı's resignation with a megaphone.
01:03:58Slogans like "Give back my vote, Saniye"
01:04:01were chanted. "We forgive everything,
01:04:04but we will never forgive those who betray us.
01:04:08Wherever we see her, we will show her our reaction
01:04:12when we see Saniye Fıçı. We will not forget Saniye Fıçı,
01:04:15who joined the AKP by taking the votes
01:04:18of the people, by taking the votes of the CHP in Foça.
01:04:21We will hold her accountable for this betrayal." The members, who said
01:04:25that thousands of Foça residents' votes were usurped, announced
01:04:29that an "I Stand by My Will" rally would be held
01:04:32in Nihat Dirim Square in Foça on the evening of Saturday, September 19th.
01:04:36Meanwhile, while the reaction
01:04:39of the people of Foça continued, the new AKP member Saniye Bora Fıçı
01:04:43continued to accept visits. Fıçı received AKP
01:04:46Izmir Deputy Ceyda Bölünmez Çankırı and AKP Menemen Mayor
01:04:50Aydın Pehlivan and Council members
01:04:53in her office.
01:04:56You don't have the courage to set up ballot boxes.
01:05:00The new Party Istanbul Provincial Chairman Özgür Çelik
01:05:03criticizes the government with these words.
01:05:07He looks at the examples of Üsküdar and Bayrampaşa.
01:05:10He asks, "Why don't the prosecutors get involved?"
01:05:13There isn't even a single prosecutor
01:05:15who has taken action.
01:05:18Özgür Çelik says that the elected mayor
01:05:22of Üsküdar and Bayrampaşa Hasan Mutlu has been arrested
01:05:25since September 16, 2025. "If you are very ambitious,
01:05:28if you are very confident in yourselves,
01:05:31if you are very confident in your claims,
01:05:35Hasan Mutlu is in Silivri, you nominate a candidate from here.
01:05:38Are you willing to set up a ballot box to compete with Hasan Mutlu
01:05:41while he is in Silivri? No, you don't have the courage.
01:05:44Let them remove not 34, but if they want,
01:05:47134 of them. There is only one thing
01:05:50that does not change: the nation is on its way
01:05:52with the new party led by Özgür Özel."
01:05:55So what will happen
01:05:59to these Bayrampaşa elections?
01:06:06Come on, then, cancel the Bayrampaşa elections.
01:06:09Come on, then, cancel the Üsküdar elections.
01:06:12This is one of the most concrete examples of the point that Turkey's legal
01:06:16system has reached. Bayrampaşa is one of them.
01:06:19Also, I sent the Bayrampaşa issue
01:06:22within the statement I gave. There isn't even a single prosecutor
01:06:25who has taken action. They opened the district building
01:06:28in Bayrampaşa. At the opening, Hasan Mutlu was greeted with applause.
01:06:32We would like to applaud our esteemed mayor
01:06:36strongly once again from here.
01:06:3910 years have passed without him,
01:06:43without Tarık Akan. From Ataol Behramoğlu's pen,
01:06:46if they asked me to liken him to something, I would say
01:06:50he was no different from a volcano.
01:06:53Calm, serene, silent on the outside,
01:06:55brimming with fire on the inside.
01:06:58That fire was his love for his homeland,
01:07:02for children, for love, for freedom,
01:07:05and a raging fire in front of barbed wire fences.
01:07:08The unforgettable character of Yeşilçam's Damat Ferit,
01:07:12Yalancı Yarim, Mavi Boncuk, Feryat, Ya Babam Sınıfı,
01:07:15of course, when we say unforgettable character,
01:07:18we need to talk about his character, his personality,
01:07:21his upright stance. We miss Tarık Akan.
01:07:25özlüyoruz.
01:07:42We will buy a car, may your mind live a thousand years.
01:07:46The Hababam Class is buying a car. Is there anything beyond that?
01:07:50Where, where, I forgot my heart,
01:07:53oh, where, oh, where
01:07:54could I find it?
01:08:00Yüksel Adıbelli says we are experiencing lost years in education,
01:08:03justice, health, cost of living, and democracy.
01:08:06Doğan Kubilay Turan says the future that the blue-eyed
01:08:10blonde giant dreamed for us is lost.
01:08:13Yaşar Arslanpay says what is lost is trust, courage,
01:08:16facts, and from Che Guevara,
01:08:19he said, "If you cannot say that what is wrong is wrong,
01:08:22it means you are in the final stage of slavery."
01:08:26Adil Kaya says, "Lost lives." We are concluding this section,
01:08:30we will be back in a moment.
01:09:15We continue our program on Halk TV from where we left off.
01:09:18The new iPhone, or rather, the new model of iPhone
01:09:22is about to go on sale in Turkey. Pre-sales have started, I guess,
01:09:25but it's mostly being talked about because of its price,
01:09:29because it seems like someone working for 9 months with minimum wage
01:09:32and not touching their salary could only afford the phone.
01:09:35The average selling price will be 230,000,
01:09:39but exactly 117,000 of that will be tax.
01:09:42Özgür Özel reacted to this, saying, "The phone folds, but
01:09:46the people cannot bear the tax robbery," and criticized
01:09:49the tax, which is more expensive than the product itself.
01:09:53pahalı olan vergiyi
01:09:55112,000 lira in the cart,
01:09:59230,000 at the checkout. A person who wants to buy Apple's
01:10:03new model phone will pay 118,000 in tax.
01:10:07New party leader Özgür Özel also reacted to this situation, calling
01:10:10it "tax robbery". I mean, what can we buy so that there's room for an iPhone?
01:10:14I mean, we're talking about 230,000 liras, and we'll give this for a phone.
01:10:17We can't even pay the rents properly. Apple's new model phones
01:10:21will be released, but their price is more on the agenda
01:10:23than the phones themselves, because the selling price in Turkey
01:10:27is jaw-dropping. The foldable iPhone Duo
01:10:30costs 1999 dollars in the US,
01:10:34which is approximately 97,000 liras, while the starting price
01:10:37of the phone in Turkey will be approximately 230,000.
01:10:40I mean, 230,000 liras is too much. I mean, 16, 15 and so on are normal,
01:10:44but the Duo is very expensive. We can't buy these
01:10:47with minimum wage. The biggest reason for the phone being expensive
01:10:51in Turkey is taxes. If a minimum wage earner
01:10:54wants to buy the newly released phone, they have to give
01:10:58approximately 9 months' salary without spending anything.
01:11:01Someone needs to put a stop to this nonsense, because we're buying one phone for ourselves,
01:11:05and one phone for the state. The new party leader
01:11:09shared these visuals on his social media account. He criticized the AKP government
01:11:12and announced it by saying "akp'den.net".
01:11:14duyurdu.
01:11:17The phone, which costs 112,735 liras
01:11:20when added to the basket, increases to 230,000 liras
01:11:23with 117,000 liras in taxes, including the Ministry of Culture share,
01:11:27TRT Bandrol fee, special consumption tax, and value-added tax.
01:11:31Özel reacted to the government
01:11:35by saying, "This dark order invented a tax more expensive
01:11:38than the product itself. The phone folds, but the people can't bear this tax robbery."
01:11:42diyerek iktidara tepki
01:11:44This morning, to be honest,
01:11:51I was eagerly awaiting a broadcast where Minister of Treasury
01:11:54and Finance Mehmet Şimşek spoke on Habertürk.
01:11:58He made statements, from the Medium-Term Program
01:12:01to the Escalator system, he clarified many issues
01:12:05in his own way. We will discuss whether he could clarify them in a moment,
01:12:08but this time, Mehmet Şimşek is responsible
01:12:12for inflation. According to him, there was a war. Another important statement
01:12:16he made was, "We have given public employees and retirees
01:12:19at least as much increase as inflation, and we will continue to do so."
01:12:22Now, when he says, "We have given at least as much increase as inflation,"
01:12:26of course, it also reminds one of the increases given based on the target inflation
01:12:30starting in 2026. For example,
01:12:33food inflation was 72% in 2023.
01:12:36It was around 72%. Today it has fallen to around 134.
01:12:39So, where, for example, you mentioned rent. Rent inflation in 2023
01:12:43was 109%. Today it has fallen to around 43%.
01:12:47So, when you look at these figures, there is a significant slowdown
01:12:50in inflation. Of course, our targets
01:12:54were much more ambitious at the beginning, but
01:12:56this new inflation
01:12:58period, that is, 2023 and
01:13:02before, it's clear that there's a serious
01:13:05ossification there, a inertia,
01:13:08actually, there's a serious slowdown
01:13:11in the rate of inflation. This actually shows
01:13:15that the program is yielding results. The inflation target
01:13:18this year, of course, is partly affected by the war,
01:13:20but it's clear that in Turkey, there's more inertia,
01:13:24more rigidity, more stickiness than we predicted
01:13:28or than the model predicted, let me put it that way.
01:13:31Now, this is a problem, so more time is needed.
01:13:35If there hadn't been a war this year,
01:13:38very simply, our Central Bank has a study
01:13:42that takes into account the direct and indirect effects
01:13:46to date. Inflation would be at least 7
01:13:49points lower as of today. That is, instead of 31.5,
01:13:53for example, it would be 24.5. We would have closed
01:13:56the year perhaps in the 21-22
01:14:00range instead of the 28-29 range.
01:14:03There is nothing more valuable and important than protecting
01:14:06the purchasing power of the salaried segment by
01:14:10at least the inflation rate. We have no hesitation here.
01:14:13So, at the end of the year, for example, this will be taken into account
01:14:17in wage discussions. We have always
01:14:20given our civil servants, retirees,
01:14:23and public employees an increase of at least the inflation rate,
01:14:27and we will continue to do so.
01:14:30I'm really curious if you're listening with as much
01:14:34astonishment as we are. Now, we'll talk about Mehmet Şimşek's
01:14:37statements, but at the same time, the crisis seems to be deepening
01:14:40at Pusula Holding's affiliated companies. There are significant losses
01:14:44on Borsa Istanbul. There has been a decline for three
01:14:47consecutive days, and currently
01:14:52losses have exceeded 6%, and Borsa Istanbul
01:14:56has circuit-broken. I want to start with this.
01:14:59I have a guest, economist Associate Professor Oğuz Demir.
01:15:02Welcome. Good to see you.
01:15:06Good broadcast, Gizem Hanım. Thank you.
01:15:10Now, I want to start with Borsa Istanbul, because it's a hot development.
01:15:13We were already talking about 5% losses in the morning.
01:15:16It exceeded 6%, and the circuit-breaker was triggered.
01:15:19Investors are worried. They're asking why there's
01:15:23this decline in the stock market. Let me get your initial comment.
01:15:26Well, Gizem Hanım,
01:15:30there are a lot of specific examples, like Pusula's statements,
01:15:33a capital outflow from funds, problems with liquidity from this outflow.
01:15:37We can explain all of these carefully on that specific day
01:15:39or over the last 3 days. After all, a stock exchange
01:15:43is a place where many people openly trade.
01:15:47But essentially, we are facing another indicator
01:15:50of the country's current situation. That is, control,
01:15:54law, seeking justice. All of these things,
01:15:57the disarray, the ability of the powerful
01:16:00or those with connections to find opportunities as they wish.
01:16:04When all these things accumulate, it explodes from here today.
01:16:07Another day, it will explode for another reason. This is unfortunately
01:16:10what we are dealing with.
01:16:13bozukluk eee işte güçlü olanın ya da
01:16:17adamını bulanın istediği gibi alan bulabilmesi bütün bunlar
01:16:21üst üste geldiğinde yani bugün buradan patlıyor.
01:16:25başka bir gün başka bir nedenle patlar yani bu bu artık bizim
01:16:28results of the spirit of the past period.
01:16:31So now, for example, what are we talking about? A portfolio investment company.
01:16:35The funds of this investment company. The investments in these funds.
01:16:38Regarding these, there were losses. After that, people
01:16:42went to withdraw these funds. An important statement was made there
01:16:45a few days ago. More than 100 billion lira, more than 120 billion lira,
01:16:49was requested to be withdrawn. Some people had trouble meeting this demand, it was said.
01:16:53So the claim is in this direction.
01:16:55Consequently, the investor's morale was broken, and he says, "Should I
01:16:59withdraw?" When he says, "Should I withdraw?", sales come. When sales come, it experienced
01:17:02a value loss of close to 6%. But we shouldn't forget what I said at the beginning.
01:17:06That is, the negative impact created by all these events is much greater
01:17:10than the 6% drop in the stock market today. Gizem Hanım, trust is a feeling
01:17:12that is very hard to earn but very easy to lose.
01:17:16And the market, as you said, operates entirely on trust.
01:17:19And the responsibility to ensure this trust lies with the relevant institutions,
01:17:23primarily the CMB. It's a process. That's why, while all these developments
01:17:26are taking place, it's important for the Capital Markets Board to have taken
01:17:30the necessary precautions from the very beginning,
01:17:33to have conducted inspections. Yes, it happened today. Such a thing
01:17:35happens from time to time in other parts of the world, albeit rarely. But we have been constantly
01:17:39talking about certain things related to the stock market for the last 4-5 years. Operations.
01:17:43We are talking about them. In the morning, if I'm not mistaken, about a year ago,
01:17:47they detained some people who were trading in the stock market on suspicion of manipulation, remember?
01:17:51Therefore, if you don't control these areas carefully,
01:17:55if you haven't continuously followed these areas with regulation,
01:17:58that trust, you know, will be gone one day, never to return.
01:18:01That's why, in the period we are going through,
01:18:05bir şekilde kontrol etmeyen... eee etmediyseniz, buralara eee
01:18:09sürekli bir regülasyonla takip etmediyseniz, o güven bir
01:18:13bakmışsanız bir gün geri gelmemek üzere gider, o
01:18:16yüzden yani içinden geçtiğimiz dönemde hemen
01:18:20hemen her alanda yaşanan sıkıntıların
01:18:23aslında bir eee göstergesini de şu anda borsada
01:18:26yaşıyoruz, peki güven demişken eee Oğuz Demir
01:18:29şunu sormak istiyorum, şimdi biraz hatta
01:18:32detaylandıralım, çünkü bu işte pusula tera
01:18:35grubu hani aldım dedi ama... sonra bir açıklama yaptı, hani nakde
01:18:39çıkmak isteyenler bunu alamayınca, devir işlemleri
01:18:42henüz hukuken fiilen tamamlanmadı dedi, şirket fonlarda
01:18:45yaşanan sorunlarla ilgili sorumlu biz değiliz dedi
01:18:48Tera, yani aslında biraz şunu mu demek istedi, şimdi
01:18:52temerrüde düşme durumu da var, hani para yok, işte ödemeyi
01:18:56yapamıyoruz, ama bir diğer yandan da pazar günü kendileri yine bir
01:18:59açıklama yapmışlardı, eee yatırımcıya sakin olun, biz
01:19:03buradayız demişti, şimdi hani bu üç gün içerisinde ne oldu
01:19:07o olay buraya döndü,
01:19:10bence yani daha en başta bu sürece girişlerinin yanlış
01:19:13olduğunu şimdi görüyorlar, yani eee biraz orada
01:19:17tabii bunun arka planında nasıl bir ilişki ağı var bunu bilmiyoruz gizam
01:19:21hanım hani birisi var mı birileri gidin siz bu firmayı kurtarın bu
01:19:25firmanın eee batmaması gerekir buradaki yatırımcının
01:19:28we are actually experiencing a symptom of the problems
01:19:31experienced in almost every area in the stock market right now.
01:19:35Well, speaking of trust, I would like to ask Oğuz Demir
01:19:38this. Let's elaborate a little now, because
01:19:42this compass Tera group, they said they bought it, but then
01:19:46they made a statement. They said that those who wanted to withdraw cash couldn't get it, and that the transfer
01:19:50procedures have not yet been completed legally or practically. The company said that they are
01:19:53not responsible for the problems experienced in the funds. Tera said that.
01:19:56So, did it mean this, actually? Now, there is also the situation of default.
01:20:00There is no money, we cannot make the payment. But on the other hand,
01:20:03they made another statement on Sunday. They told investors to stay calm,
01:20:07that they are here. Now, what happened in these three days that the situation
01:20:11turned like this? I think they are now seeing
01:20:13that their entry into this process was wrong from the very beginning.
01:20:17That is, we don't know what kind of network of relationships is behind
01:20:21this, Gizem Hanım. Was there someone, or were there people who told them to go and save
01:20:24this company, that this company should not go bankrupt,
01:20:28that the investors' money should be saved, etc.? You know,
01:20:32it is sometimes said that such suggestions are made. But when entering this process,
01:20:35if such a suggestion was made, the institution that received it might not
01:20:39have been aware of what it was up against. Now, it is facing a much greater
01:20:42need for cash. That's why it is stepping back, seeing that there might
01:20:45be problems in paying these funds. And also, due to the current decline,
01:20:48it is experiencing losses, as you know, these portfolios are now
01:20:52causing additional problems for investors. That's why
01:20:56what I said earlier is very important. Trust in the markets, and maintaining
01:21:00the legal and regulatory framework that provides that trust, is very important.
01:21:03If you don't maintain this, that is, if you don't maintain it today,
01:21:07when this news first broke 3 days ago, in order to calm things down quickly,
01:21:11Tera, the company you just mentioned, got involved and said, "We will fix
01:21:14this, we will save it." But 3 days later, when faced with the real situation,
01:21:17it might say, "This is beyond me." They haven't said anything like that yet,
01:21:21but they are probably analyzing it. So the experts there might say,
01:21:25"This is very risky,
01:21:29buyurun eee hani tabii böyle bir şey var mı yok mu bilmiyoruz ama zaman zaman hani siz
01:21:32kurtarın şeklinde telkinler geliyor demişken konuya dair Şimşek bugün
01:21:36dedi ki eee sabahki televizyon
01:21:39programında katıldığında banka dışı finans sektörüne i ilave
01:21:43düzenleme ve denetim gerekiyor dedi. Şimdi burada iki tane soru var.
01:21:47eee birincisi bunun gerektiğini sizin gibi pek çok uzman isim
01:21:50yaklaşık iki yıldır söylüyordu eee hani beklenmeyen bir şey
01:21:54değil bu yorumlarını da alıyorum günlerdir yaptığım yayınlarda
01:21:57da eee hazine ve maliye bakanı daha bunu yeni mi fark
01:22:01etti ya da neden bu kadar geç kaldılar diye
01:22:04sorayım bir de hani telkin demişken eee
01:22:07iş biraz daha büyürse hazine de
01:22:11bu sorumluluğu almaya çalışabilir
01:22:13mi? yani tabii burada
01:22:17büyüklüğün ve yaratılan hasarın ne olduğunu hala bilmiyoruz
01:22:20yani bir onu görmemiz lazım gizem hanım onu görmeden hani burada hazine devreye
01:22:24girer mi girmez mi elindeki asetler yani varlıklar ne
01:22:28değerde o varlıklarla eee yükümlülüklerini
01:22:31karşılayabilme oranı ne durumda ne kadar ya bütün bu verileri
01:22:35görmeden bunu söyleyebilmemiz çok kolay değil. değil hani
01:22:38oladabilir gerekirse orada bir düzenlemeyle beraber bu da
01:22:41yapılabilir ama bunun yapılması tabii bir kere her şeyden önce kamu vicdanı açısından çok
01:22:45ciddi bir sorun yaratır yani işte vergi verenin parasıyla
01:22:49böyle bir şirketin kurtarılması biliyorsunuz 2008'de Amerika'dan
01:22:52bu yana eee işte vergi veren parasıyla şirketlerin
01:22:55bankaların finansal kuruluşların kötü yönetimle batan kurumların eee
01:22:59ya da başka kötülüklerle batan kurumların kurtarılması konusunda
01:23:02bütün dünyada yani bir bir tartışma var dolayısıyla böyle bir
01:23:06şeye girerler mi? girecekler mi bunu biraz zaman gösterecek, ama şunu
01:23:09söylemeliyim, bakın bu işler olmadan önce
01:23:13önlemlerin alınması önemlidir, yani
01:23:16olduktan sonra hazine mi kurtarır, o mu kurtarır, ne büyüklük?
01:23:20very risky to go and save it, and it's a process where we still don't
01:23:23fully understand what the large-scale work or transaction and its results
01:23:27are. In such periods, transparency, and not a company taking over another
01:23:30company and bearing the loss, but sharing with the public transparently
01:23:34how the process works and how much damage everyone has suffered, is important.
01:23:38But instead of doing this, they said that another company should
01:23:41take it as a background or a plan B. That company also has an owner,
01:23:44and that company is a publicly traded company, isn't it? So, it also
01:23:48has investors to whom it must account. It looks and sees and says,
01:23:51"If I get involved in this operation, I will incur a loss." So it might say,
01:23:55"I shouldn't get involved." They are still evaluating it, as far as I understand.
01:23:59The main issue. Uh-huh. Please. Uh, we don't know
01:24:03if there is such a thing or not, but you mentioned that sometimes
01:24:06suggestions like "you save it" come. Regarding this, Şimşek said today
01:24:09in the morning television program he attended that additional
01:24:12regulation and supervision are needed in the non-bank financial sector.
01:24:15Now there are two questions here. First, many experts like you
01:24:18have been saying that this is needed for about two years. It's not something
01:24:21unexpected. I'm also getting these comments in the broadcasts I've been doing for days.
01:24:25Has the Minister of Treasury and Finance just realized this, or why
01:24:28did they delay so much? That's one question. And also, speaking of suggestions,
01:24:32if the situation gets a little bigger, can the treasury
01:24:36try to take on this responsibility? Well, we still don't know the size
01:24:39of the damage caused here. So we need to see that, Gizem Hanım.
01:24:42Without seeing that, we can't say whether the treasury will intervene or not.
01:24:46What are the assets it holds? What is the value of those assets? What is
01:24:49the ratio of being able to meet its liabilities with those assets? How much?
01:24:53It's not easy to say this without seeing all this data. It could happen,
01:24:56if necessary, with a regulation. But doing this would, first and foremost,
01:25:00create a very serious problem in terms of public conscience.
01:25:04That is, rescuing such a company with taxpayers' money, as you know,
01:25:07since 2008 in America, there has been a worldwide debate
01:25:11about rescuing companies, banks, financial institutions that went bankrupt
01:25:14due to mismanagement or other wrongdoings, with taxpayers' money. So, will they
01:25:18get involved in such a thing? Will they? Time will tell, but I must say
01:25:21that it's important to take precautions before these things
01:25:24happen. That is, after they happen, will the treasury save it, or
01:25:27will someone else save it? What's the scale? How much money did whose go bankrupt?
01:25:30People, what is the current anxiety? We don't know any of these.
01:25:33Those who experience it know. But the existence of the state is important
01:25:36for this reason, isn't it, Gizem Hanım? It exists so that such problems don't arise.
01:25:39Why do we pay taxes? Why do we employ so many bureaucrats, managers,
01:25:43and pay politicians? It's to avoid these problems,
01:25:47so that the state exercises its auditing power and regulatory
01:25:50power in favor of the citizens before such mistakes occur.
01:25:54And now, two years later, the minister tells us that regulation
01:25:57is needed there too. Mr. Minister knows the financial market very well.
01:26:01He knew whether regulation was needed or not, I think, before all of us.
01:26:04So we need to say this. Why did you wait two years? He was probably busy
01:26:07fighting inflation, we will say. Inflation didn't drop. So he was very
01:26:10busy, Mr. Minister was struggling with inflation, we will say, but it didn't drop.
01:26:14So, therefore, what comes to my mind is this:
01:26:17a little tolerance was shown. That is, the way was opened for these institutions.
01:26:21There was a blind eye. It was said, "Okay, we'll see." My referring
01:26:24to turning a blind eye means that these companies were allowed to operate
01:26:28without certain auditing or regulatory rules. So,
01:26:31now, let's make a regulation now that one has gone bankrupt.
01:26:35And, as we all know, the regulation you will make now will be very strict
01:26:39and tough, because this is generally how it happens in Turkey. And then,
01:26:42it might also harm companies that are perhaps managing their business
01:26:46better and managing these processes better. That is, not being able to strike
01:26:49this balance, or constantly failing to strike it, is something that always happens
01:26:53to us, and we don't learn our lesson. That's why the right thing to do
01:26:56is this: an area is growing, many things are being established in the area,
01:26:59financial relationships are being established. You stop and look and say,
01:27:03"What is the situation of my auditing and regulatory authority here?"
01:27:06And you do what is necessary to prevent such situations from arising.
01:27:10Well, it happened now. Mr. Minister said that regulation needs to be made.
01:27:14Welcome to our midst. So, sometimes he can find the truth, even if it's late.
01:27:17And you emphasized trust so much. So let me ask this. Now, the scenario
01:27:20that the government least wants and expects, especially for 2027,
01:27:24as election dates have started to be discussed, is for investors to shift to gold
01:27:28or, more so, to foreign currency. With this loss of trust, will we see
01:27:32its effect in the markets? That is, will we experience investors shifting
01:27:35more to dollars, euros, that is, to foreign currency?
01:27:38Well, they made such a management
01:27:42işte ceza kesen birilerini görüyoruz, dolayısıyla gelir
01:27:45tarafında bir hayli performansı iyileştirebiliyorlar, e gider
01:27:49tarafında baktık. fazla
01:27:52harcıyoruz durun falan diyor biliyorlar e hal böyle olunca hani oradaki gerçekleşmeler biraz daha OVP'deki planlara
01:27:56uygun ama bir yıllık vadede uygun orada Gizem hanım yani hani böyle
01:28:003 yıllık bir başarı elde edilmiş falan değil yani bir sene önce
01:28:04koyduğumuz o yani o zaman bir yıllık plan deyin
01:28:07ona öyle değil mi bir yıllık plan deyin orada başarılı olursunuz buralarda
01:28:10ama orta vadeli plan orta vadede bir yere ulaşmak istediğimizi
01:28:14gösterir e orta vadede de söylediği o bütçe
01:28:17gerçekleşmesi hedefleri de yok yani başarılı. bakın
01:28:21Gizem Hanım. They also accumulated enough reserves to give this message.
01:28:24You know, they clearly gave the market the message that they will allow
01:28:28the foreign exchange rate to move at a pace that does not exceed
01:28:32the inflation target, and does not negatively affect
01:28:35their inflation target. Therefore, the general opinion is that they will not
01:28:39allow this before an election, both for political reasons and for
01:28:42the economic reasons I just mentioned. That is, this opinion is more prevalent
01:28:46among you, me, and many other people, because a sudden jump there would affect
01:28:49the inflation target and, as you just said, could cause other people
01:28:52to dollarize with a snowball effect. You know the past examples.
01:28:55That's why I think they won't allow this much. But will citizens
01:28:58turn to this? Since they will also act with the same assumption,
01:29:02it's possible to say that there will be more interest in other instruments
01:29:05that are currently seen as high, especially interest rates.
01:29:08Now, I want to continue with Mr. Şimşek. This is a very important question,
01:29:11I'm very curious. Many targets were achieved thanks to the OVP. We exited
01:29:14the currency-protected deposit scheme thanks to this. He said that
01:29:18most of the targets are being met. Frankly, as someone who has studied
01:29:21the OVP, I couldn't find which targets were met. If you could find them,
01:29:25I'd be waiting to hear from you. I looked at inflation,
01:29:28I looked at growth, I looked at many things, but I couldn't find it. In a couple
01:29:32of items, that is, on the export and import side, there is a little
01:29:36bit of success. Other than that, there is no very significant success. And also
01:29:39on the budget realizations side, Gizem Hanım. That is, there is a certain amount of
01:29:43success in two areas. But what we call budget realizations
01:29:46is something that Mr. Şimşek himself is in charge of. That is,
01:29:50they increase taxes. We see people giving fines at every corner.
01:29:53Therefore, they can greatly improve performance on the income side.
01:29:57And on the expenditure side, they say, "We are spending too much,
01:30:01stop." So, when this is the case, the realizations there are a bit
01:30:05more in line with the OVP plans, but in a one-year period, they are in line
01:30:08there, Gizem Hanım. That is, it's not like a 3-year success has been achieved.
01:30:12That is, the plan we set a year ago, let's call it a one-year plan then.
01:30:16Isn't it? Let's call it a one-year plan, and you will be successful
01:30:19there. But a medium-term plan indicates that we want to reach somewhere
01:30:22in the medium term. And in the medium term, there are no budget realization targets
01:30:25that he mentioned. Successful. Look, last year, the government said it would
01:30:28make a budget of 23 trillion for 2027. This year, we learned
01:30:32that it revised it to 27. It changes the size of its own budget
01:30:36in a year. What happened, what changed? That is, this also needs to be explained.
01:30:39There is no such explanation. Mr. Şimşek, of course, is in a very
01:30:42difficult situation. Come on, you also mentioned that inflation is 7 points
01:30:46due to the war. When did the war break out, for God's sake?
01:30:50Even if we add 7 points, it doesn't work. I don't remember what the inflation
01:30:53target in the OVP was at the beginning of the year, but it was last revised
01:30:57from 16 to 28, from 16 to 28.4.
01:31:00Let's say it wasn't like that. Let's add 7 points due to the war,
01:31:04that makes 23. It's still like this. Think about something
01:31:08more interesting. That is, before the war broke out,
01:31:11inflation was 32. This war didn't break out in June 2023,
01:31:15did it? So where were you for two years, for two and a half years?
01:31:18It was there. The year before that, I didn't. Now, Mr. Şimşek's
01:31:21ability to make excuses has really developed in recent years.
01:31:24Whose ability to make excuses develops, Gizem Hanım? When I teach
01:31:28a class, for example, the students who make the best excuses are usually
01:31:32the ones who haven't done their homework. For example, a student who does their
01:31:36homework doesn't need an excuse. That is, the student who says, "The power
01:31:39went out last night, teacher," is usually the one who hasn't done their homework,
01:31:43because you turn around and see that the power didn't even go out.
01:31:46Now the same applies to Şimşek. The impact of the excuses he finds
01:31:50is not this much. Look, an example: the increase in energy costs,
01:31:53right? This is the most important effect of the war. In one year,
01:31:57the price of diesel in Turkey increased by 75%. Look, in Turkish
01:32:00Lira terms, in local currency terms, Turkey is perhaps one of the countries
01:32:04where the price of diesel increased the most. If the liter price of diesel,
01:32:08which increased by 30% in London and Paris, increases by 75%
01:32:11in Turkey, then 35% of this is
01:32:15due to the war, and 40% is due to incompetence.
01:32:18Isn't that right? And then you say it's because of the war.
01:32:22Look, we all need Mr. Minister to do this. We're talking about
01:32:26trust, we're talking about prestige, we're talking about stability,
01:32:29policy stability and prestige. Mr. Şimşek needs to say this just once:
01:32:34"We failed." That is, I aimed to bring this here.
01:32:38For example, Mr. Minister is talking about the medium-term plan. Then let
01:32:41him tell us. Mr. Minister was saying that they were targeting 9%
01:32:44inflation in 2027. A year ago, look, he was saying this a year ago.
01:32:47Now the war happened. Okay, if it deviated by 7 points,
01:32:51our 2027 inflation target should be 16, shouldn't it?
01:32:55So, if I deviated by 7 points, what is our current target,
01:32:58Gizem Hanım? 21. Where do the 5 points come from? The same
01:33:02applies to this year. So, what he's talking about
01:33:05doesn't even have a mathematical equivalent. Of course,
01:33:09we were all affected by the war in the world, but we were caught
01:33:13at such a point by the effect of this war that if it affects someone else by one,
01:33:16it affects us by four. If it affects someone else by three,
01:33:20it affects us by fifteen. Mr. Minister needs to come out and explain
01:33:23why the thing that affects three in three worlds doesn't affect us
01:33:26by three. He needs to explain this to everyone, so that we don't
01:33:30experience the same thing again.
01:33:32But of course, Mr. Minister's job is also difficult. He can't say
01:33:36that the policies we implemented before me and during my term
01:33:39no longer match the realities of this country in any way, that we failed
01:33:43in this. Now we are talking as if it's Mr. Mehmet Şimşek's fault,
01:33:47but of course, it's not. That is, this is the mistake
01:33:51of the government that has been implementing these policies in Turkey
01:33:54for the last 10 years. It's their mistake. I don't
01:33:58want to make Mr. Minister seem like a part of it, because
01:34:01he could have come and done the right thing, he could have said the right thing,
01:34:05but he's following that path. But as a whole, the government
01:34:08cannot manage this process, and it doesn't seem like it will be able
01:34:12to manage it from now on, Gizem Hanım. That is, people think that
01:34:15we will end the year that we started with 21 next year with 25 or 26.
01:34:19People have already revised your inflation target themselves,
01:34:22whether you want it or not. Because you can't break those expectations
01:34:25anymore. Inertia, look, we need more time to break
01:34:29this inertia. So, how much time do you need, Mr. Şimşek?
01:34:33You've been in office for 3 years already. How many more years do you want? For example, how many years
01:34:36will it take us to break the inflation inertia? Our lives
01:34:40are short, so let me ask with that justification. Will we all see it, or
01:34:43will Mr. Şimşek continue to struggle
01:34:45with inflation inertia for many more years after we're gone? I hope we see it.
01:34:48Now, you mentioned that due to the war, increased oil prices
01:34:51are expected to bring another 4 lira and 62 kuruş increase
01:34:55in diesel prices as of tonight. If this is reflected at the pump,
01:34:58the liter price of diesel in Istanbul, or rather in Turkey,
01:35:02will exceed 100 lira. Mehmet Şimşek also spoke about
01:35:05the sliding scale system. He said that they sacrificed
01:35:09a significant amount of revenue. So, what I understood from Mehmet
01:35:12Şimşek's statements there is this: even if it reaches triple digits,
01:35:15even if diesel is 100 lira or 120 lira, even if it continues to increase,
01:35:18it seems that no exemption will be applied to fuel taxes again.
01:35:22Now, Gizem, there are three price-influencing factors,
01:35:26aren't there? In the price of diesel or gasoline. First, world prices,
01:35:29that is, the prices of oil or the prices in Geneva where
01:35:33we buy oil, or diesel and gasoline. Second, the exchange rate.
01:35:36Third, taxes. Now, let me remove the exchange rate from the equation.
01:35:39I made calculations in dollar terms. I looked and said, "Look,
01:35:43the liter price of diesel in Istanbul increased by 49.1% in dollar terms
01:35:47in one year." Look, when I remove the dollar term, what remains?
01:35:51World prices and taxes, don't they? What remains is the fluctuation
01:35:54in both of them. I removed the dollar. Well, for example, let me ask
01:35:57you. How much did it increase in London? 33%. Look,
01:36:01if something that increased by 33% in London
01:36:05increases by 49% in Turkey, then the 16% increase in dollar
01:36:09terms here must be due to taxes. Isn't that right? Because
01:36:11the world from which London buys its oil, its diesel,
01:36:15is not different from the world we buy from. As far as I know,
01:36:18we still buy from the same world. Therefore, where does this 16% difference
01:36:22come from? And if you lower this 16% difference a little
01:36:25or abandon the sliding scale system, you can turn to this country and say,
01:36:29"Look," they did it for a period, we all criticized it less, didn't we?
01:36:32Look, they waived the special consumption tax. We said, "The government
01:36:36took a reasonable step here." Now, Mr. Şimşek stubbornly says
01:36:40that this special consumption tax will not be lowered. That is,
01:36:43he says, "If it goes above 100 lira, you will buy diesel more expensively."
01:36:47He says, "Our nation will bear all the negative effects it creates."
01:36:51What you call tax, special consumption tax,
01:36:54is a revenue you can waive. Well, why doesn't he waive it,
01:36:57Gizem Hanım? He says budget discipline. For whom are you providing budget
01:37:01discipline, Mr. Şimşek? He says he's providing it for us, right?
01:37:04So then we say, "We want your budget discipline to be a little disrupted,
01:37:07but we want a little more breathing room in our lives."
01:37:10That is, making politics for people and making policies for people,
01:37:14that is, doing it according to
01:37:21the person you are responsible for,
01:37:21are different things. Mr. Şimşek
01:37:27acts within the framework of the task given to him. But
01:37:31he is considered a bureaucrat, not elected, but appointed.
01:37:34In the final analysis, the direction shown by the elected officials
01:37:38is apparently budget discipline. The elected officials are turning
01:37:41more and more, apparently. They are saying that what people
01:37:45are experiencing is not important, but the state. Let me say one sentence,
01:37:48Gizem. Look, politicians need to realize
01:37:51that they are managing the country, not just institutions.
01:37:55That is, focusing on managing the state and managing Turkey are not the same thing.
01:37:59I say that the AK Party government, especially in the last 8-10 years,
01:38:02has put aside managing Turkey and has been preoccupied with "let's manage
01:38:06the state, let's deal with the state, let's design the state, let's look
01:38:09at the state's trajectory." And this has alienated
01:38:13all of us from our quality of life by miles. Absolutely. Associate Professor
01:38:17Oğuz Demir, thank you for joining us, for the information you shared.
01:38:20Thank you, I wish you good broadcasts. Thank you, indeed. Today, the stock market
01:38:23experienced a veritable earthquake, and we evaluated Mehmet Şimşek's
01:38:26statements together with Oğuz Demir. Now, there is the issue of the Chinese
01:38:30car case, as you know, concerning this. He says,
01:38:34"Are you not paying?" He says, "Then I will retaliate."
01:38:37China won the car case it filed against Turkey. The Ministry
01:38:41of Trade said it doesn't impose obligations on Turkey. China
01:38:45or is this another one, there's a $100 million appeal stage
01:38:48annually, meaning Turkey should appeal this by September
01:38:5226th. Turkey needs to submit its appeal to the World
01:38:55Trade Organization. It hasn't yet,
01:38:59it still hasn't, is there any preparation, do you know?
01:39:02Since July 29th, still no
01:39:06appeal has been made. The Ministry of Trade published
01:39:09a statement on its social media account, confirming its right to
01:39:13appeal. It stated that assessments claiming the report
01:39:17created an obligation for Turkey to pay any compensation
01:39:20or financial debt did not reflect the truth. It was
01:39:23stated that the legal process was continuing within the framework
01:39:30of World Trade Organization rules. We had previously brought
01:39:33the details from the final expert report to your screens
01:39:37on Halk TV yesterday. Soon, we will bring the
01:39:40clear footage we have received to your screens,
01:39:43and together with her lawyer, with the family's lawyer,
01:39:47we will evaluate these important developments. Now,
01:39:50there was a report prepared by a special expert at the request
01:39:53of the Kabaiş family. We relayed it to you yesterday with Dinçer
01:39:57Gökçe. Details were included. Her lawyer, Abdurrahman
01:40:00Karabulut, is also preparing to apply for the exhumation
01:40:04of Rojin's grave, for a forensic
01:40:07examination.
01:40:14The special expert report in the Rojin
01:40:16Kabaiş investigation has been completed. The report includes
01:40:20telephone, camera, HTS, and base station records.
01:40:23Suspicious movements were detected in the enhanced
01:40:27footage. Lawyer Abdurrahman Karabulut stated that they
01:40:30would apply
01:40:31for a grave exhumation.
01:40:38One of the most important points in the report concerns the
01:40:41location where the mobile phone was found. Significant footage
01:40:45from the day after Rojin's disappearance was discovered
01:40:48at the phone's location. A private security guard
01:40:51leaves something among the bushes at around 10 AM
01:40:55and remains among the bushes for 48 seconds.
01:40:5911 minutes later, Rojin's phone is found by a group
01:41:02of young people at that location. It is suspected
01:41:06that the security guard
01:41:07left Rojin's phone there.
01:41:11Another important development in the report is footage
01:41:14of a house in Bardakçı on the night Rojin disappeared.
01:41:18The footage shows two men and a woman taking a heavy
01:41:21object from a white vehicle and carrying it into the
01:41:25house. In the morning,
01:41:27an hour before Rojin's phone was found, the same heavy
01:41:30object is taken from the house and placed in the vehicle.
01:41:34The possibility that this heavy object is Rojin's
01:41:37lifeless body is being considered. Lawyer Karabulut
01:41:40states that there is no
01:41:41definitive finding yet,
01:41:45but the situation is suspicious. There are two more suspicious
01:41:49situations in the file. It was revealed that before
01:41:52Rojin disappeared, she was communicating with someone
01:41:56named Mehmet Çelik, addressing him as "teacher." Çelik's
01:41:59phone was detected to have signaled at the same base
01:42:03station as Rojin's phone. Also, Rojin's roommate had
01:42:06stated that she was in the dormitory around 10:30 PM.
01:42:09This statement does not match the base station, GPS,
01:42:12and turnstile records.
01:42:14It is expected that these
01:42:21suspicions in the file will be clarified. Now,
01:42:24we brought important details from the expert report to your
01:42:28screens yesterday. After this
01:42:31soruyu soracağız ama aynı zamanda raporda
01:42:35hazırlanan bizim fotoğraf kareleriyle ekrana
01:42:37getirdiğimiz eee o görüntülerin video hali
01:42:41kesintisiz hali de ilk kez Halk TV
01:42:44ekranlarında sizlerle buluşacak. Şimdi konuğumla
01:42:47konuşmaya başlayacağım ama izleyicilerimizden de rica
01:42:50edeyim eee ortada döndüreceğimiz görüntüler,
01:42:53bir video ve aslında anlı
01:42:56can eee. an be an yaşananlar canlı olarak şu an
01:42:59ekranlarınıza geliyor, yani roji'nin kaybolduğu gece ve
01:43:03ertesi sabahki görüntüler, avukat Abdurrahman Karabulut bizlerle, hoş
01:43:07geldiniz, hoş bulduk, teşekkürler,
01:43:11şimdi Yeni bilirkişi raporunu konuşuyoruz, dosyaya giren
01:43:14uzman raporuyla ilk kez ortaya çıkan bilgiler var,
01:43:18belgeler var ve görüntüler var, benim ilk dikkatimi
01:43:21çeken şüpheli Rukiye Baştimur ve demişsiniz
01:43:25ki, beyanlarıyla teknik baz verib'...
01:43:27arasında çelişki var, buradaki çelişkilerle başlayalım dilerseniz,
01:43:31çünkü Rojee'nin de son konuştuğu iletişime
01:43:35geçtiği kişi Rukiye
01:43:36Baştimur.
01:43:40Evet, eee tabii ki biz bu raporu hazırlatırken
01:43:44Mersin'de özel bir bilir kişiye dosyanın tebliğini istedik sayın
01:43:47Savcılık'tan. Savcılık eee dosyayı
01:43:51bizim bildirdiğimiz bilir kişiye tevdi ettik tüm dosyayı.
01:43:55Özellikle bu bilir kişi dosya kapsamında. olan
01:43:58HTS, baz kayıtları ve kamera kayıtlarıyla ilgili
01:44:02ayrıca eee e-mail yoluyla
01:44:04girerekten sosyal medya bir kısım sosyal medya
01:44:08hesaplarında konuştuğu kişiler üzerine. rapor
01:44:10hazırladı, bu raporda dört önemli
01:44:14şüpheli durum tespit etti ve bu tespit
01:44:17ettiği durumlar çerçevesinde bizler eee sayın
01:44:19savcılık'tan eee hakikatin araştırılması için bunun
01:44:23açığa kavuşturulması için bu şüpheli durumların açığa kavuşturulması
01:44:26için eee taleplerde bulunduk şu anda bu talepler yerine
01:44:29getiriliyor bunu öncelikle ifade edeyim eee
01:44:33daha önce evet eee Rozi'nin oda arkadaşı
01:44:36ifadelerinde akşam 22:30 civarında yurda.
01:44:40geçtiğini eee işte Rojin'i arayıp
01:44:43ulaşamadığını, daha sonra 11 gibi 23 sıralarında uyuduğunu eee
01:44:47ifade etmişti, ancak biz HTS ve Baz kayıtlarına
01:44:50baktığımız zaman ve bu BTK'da gelen veriler
01:44:54çerçevesinde tabii bu incelemeler yapıldı, dosya kapsamında
01:44:57var eee o da arkadaşının
01:45:0022.50'de akşam eee Rojin'e bir
01:45:03mesaj SMS attığını eee tespit ettik ve
01:45:06bu SMS'in vermiş olduğu sinyal Bardak. köyün
01:45:10içerisinde eee yani Roji'nin kaybolduğu köy içerisindenin kaybolduğu
01:45:14bölgeden gece 22:50'de telefonu
01:45:17baz veriyor baz veriyor evet da arkadaşın orada
01:45:20telefon baz demeyelim yani zaten baz veriyor aynı
01:45:24istasyondan eee baz alıyor eee gps
01:45:27kayıtlarına göre eee 100 metre
01:45:29civarında bir yanılma payı var bu daraltılmış baz kayıtların da daha da
01:45:33netleşecek bardakçı köyünün içerisinde olduğu enlem ve
01:45:36boylamlarıyla birlikte bir tespit yapıldı özel bir bir kişinin
01:45:40yapmış olduğu tespit, bunun üzerine biz sayın savcılıkta
01:45:44eee bunu desteklemek amacıyla
01:45:47eee bir talepte bulunduk, dedik ki
01:45:50eee oda Roji'nin oda arkadaşının üniversiteye giriş
01:45:54çıkış saatleri biliyorsunuz hem üniversiteye hem de
01:45:58eee bulunduğu
01:46:00yurda turnike'den parmak izi basmak suretiyle
01:46:04giriş çıkışlar olmaktadır başka türlü mümkün değil bunların
01:46:07tespitini istedik oda arkadaşının. hem
01:46:10rozi'nin kaybolduğu gim gün ve takip eden diğer günler diğer
01:46:13aylar itibariyle bütün eee giriş çıkışlarının parmak
01:46:17iziş çıkışları turnikeden giriş çıkışlarınen tespitini biz talep ettik.
01:46:21Sayın Savcılık eee bunu talebimizi karşıladı ve geçen hafta itibariyle
01:46:25gelen ee raporda eee oda
01:46:28arkadaşının Rojin'in kaybolduğu akşam saat
01:46:3219.02'de 19.02'de yani tam
01:46:35Rojin 19.04'te biliyorsunuz son süliyeti
01:46:38görünmekteydi.
01:46:40eee üniversitenin çıkış nizamiyesi, bu hangi
01:46:44çıkış nizamiyesi? Bardakçı köyüne
01:46:46ee bakan çıkış nizamiyet, yani Bardaksü
01:46:50köyüyle Rojin'nin kaybolduğu köyde
01:46:53oradan bir çıkışını tespit ettik, üniversitenin ortak 6 nolu
01:46:56lokasyonu deniliyor, ortak Nizamiye
01:46:59denilmektedir. Oradan Turnike'den
01:47:02çıkışını tespit ettik. Sayın Savcılık bunu tespit
01:47:05etti. Daha sonra aynı günün akşamı saat 21.02'de,
01:47:0921. de hı hı aynı Nizamiyeden, yani Bardakçı
01:47:12köyüne bakan ortak Nizamiyeden eee kampüse
01:47:16üniversiteye girişi var, yine parmak izi okutmak suretiyle
01:47:20turnikeden girişi tespit edildi, o
01:47:23gece burada girişi yok yine bu tespitler doğrultusunda
01:47:27biliyorsunuz yurda girerken eee parmak izi okutmak
01:47:31suretiylerini gerekiyor yani kampüse girişi var ama
01:47:34yurda girişi yok, yurda
01:47:37girişi kesinlikle yok yani böyle bir tespit yok. çünkü biz bütün
01:47:40çıkışları giriş çıkışları aldık, yani Rükiye
01:47:43Baştimur o gece yurttaki odasına
01:47:46gitmedi. Yani kayıtlarda bu şekilde
01:47:50görünüyor, eğer gitmiş olsaydı biliyorsunuz saat 23'ten sonra
01:47:53turnike'den içeri girmek yasaktır, turnikeler
01:47:56çalışmıyor eee yani girmesi de mümkün değil
01:47:59zaten eee girişinin
01:48:02yurda girişinin olmadığını, truneke'den girişinin olmadığını
01:48:05tespit ettik, savcılıktan gelen eee cevabı yazıda ama
01:48:09eee. ilginçtir, sabah 10.01 geçe yurttan
01:48:13çıkışı var, turnikeden çıkışı var, artık
01:48:17gecenin ilerleyen saatlerine veyahut sabaha doğru diyelim, çünkü
01:48:2011'den sonra turnikeden girmesi mümkün değil, başka
01:48:23yollarla girmiş olabilme ihtimali şüphesi eee
01:48:27doğmuş oluyor, bu eee oda
01:48:31arkadaşının da aslında yurtta olmadığını eee
01:48:34gecenin ilerleyen saatlerine kadar eee
01:48:37yurt dışında yani yurdun dışında olduğu.
01:48:40"kuvvette muhtemeldir ki zaten kısmen Bardakçı köyünde
01:48:44oldu eee tespitini
01:48:47eee o şüpheler eee oluşturuyor bizim
01:48:51açımızdan
01:48:53eee bvet Abdurrahman Bey ilk başta verdiğiniz
01:48:57SMS saati de 2250 ydi şimdi 19.02'de
01:49:01eee Bardakçı yönünde çıkış yapıyor
01:49:0421.02'de giriş yapıyor ama yurda değil eee
01:49:08üniversitenin yerleşkesine." eee ve 23'ten sonra da giriş
01:49:12yapması yasak olduğu için hani belki giriş çıkışı görülmüyor
01:49:1523'ten sonra giriş yapmış olabilir ve bu arada da
01:49:182250'de de eee
01:49:21aslında iletişime. geçmek istiyor Rojin'le bir
01:49:24SMS atıyor hani bunu da unutmayalım bu da önemli bir detay bir de tam bu
01:49:27anlarda şimdi ben eee yönetmenim Ali'den şunu rica
01:49:31edeyim ortada biz bize özel görüntüleri ekranlara getiriyoruz o
01:49:35görüntüyü bir başa doğru saralım Ali bir ev
01:49:37var gece saatlerinde o
01:49:41eve görüntüyü başa ha bu şimdi siz de
01:49:44görebiliyorsanız Abdurrahman bey bu eve aynı
01:49:47araçla gece ağır bir cisim bırakılıyor
01:49:50sonrasında sabah saatlerinde şu... "gündüz görüntüsü daha net olduğu için
01:49:54ekranlara getiriyoruz, aynı ağır cismin taşındığını
01:49:57görüyoruz, bu raporda da eee bu
01:50:00detaya yer verilmiş, siz bu görüntüyü nasıl
01:50:04yorumluyorsunuz?
01:50:07şimdi eee gerek tanık ifadelerinde
01:50:10gerekse eee 10.10/2024
01:50:14tarihli eee tutanakta sürekli
01:50:17beyaz araçtan bahsedilmektedir
01:50:20eee bu kamera. kayıtları Bardakçı köyün
01:50:23içerisinde tespit edilen kameralar yani emniyetin cinayet büro amirliği
01:50:26tespit etmiş olduğu bir kısım kameralardan bir
01:50:30tanesi. Rojinin kaybolduğu akşam veyahut gece
01:50:33saatlerinde eee bu evde bir önceki görüntüde
01:50:37daha net olur eee bir hareketlilik var ve iki
01:50:41erkek bir kadın olmak üzere e ikisi erkek
01:50:44biri kadın kadın olduğu nettir eee tespitlerimize göre
01:50:48eee bu evin içerisine sürüklemek suretiyle
01:50:51bir cismin. "ağır bir cismin, iki kişinin sürüklemek suretiyle
01:50:55bir cismin eee eee içeri götürüldüğü
01:50:59tespiti yapıldı bilir kişi tarafından ve bu görüntüler biraz
01:51:02daha tabii ki netleştirildi eee özel bir cihazla, ertesi
01:51:06sabah ise yine bu evin içerisinde gece
01:51:09taşınan cisim yine aynı şekilde bu beyaz aracın
01:51:12içerisine sürüklenerekten götürüldüğü tespiti söz
01:51:15konusu, tabii bunlar ciddi şüphe oluşturabilecek
01:51:18eee tespitler, bunlarla ilgili
01:51:21maalesef herhangi bir araştırma yapılmamış, biraz önce bahsettiğimiz konuyla ilgili
01:51:25de herhangi bir araştırma yapılmamış, aslında
01:51:28dosyada var olan tespitler, biraz daha titizlikle, biraz
01:51:32daha ciddiyetle eee bunlar
01:51:36incelenmiş olsaydı, bunlar çoktan eee ayuk'a çıkmış olabilecek
01:51:40şüphelerdir, eee tabii ki
01:51:42eee ilk biz dosyayı aldığımız zaman eee
01:51:46rojin ya direkt öldürüldü veyahut bayıltıldı
01:51:49veyahut hürriyetten yoksun bırakılmas. suretle bir araca
01:51:53atıldı, ilerleyen aşamalarda eee Van
01:51:56Gölü'ne bir deniz aracı ile eee götürülme
01:51:59ihtimali kuvvetli bir şüphe haline geldi bize, bu senaryo
01:52:03çerçevesinde eee yaklaştık dosyaya, tespit
01:52:07ettiğimiz eee hususlar da bu senaryoyu doğrular eee
01:52:10nitelikte olan eee tespitler, bu
01:52:13araç eee ve bu evde kalan
01:52:16kişilerle ilgili herhangi bir tespit yapılmadı, bu
01:52:20görüntüye dayanaraktan da biz sayın savcılık. tam bu evde
01:52:23kimlerin oturuldu, oturduğu, şu anda kimlerin oturduğu, daha
01:52:27önceki yıllarda kimlerin oturduğu eee ve bu
01:52:30araçla ilgili tespitin yapılması, araç sürücüsüsünün kimler olduğu o
01:52:34tarihte bu kişilerin tespitine yönelik biz talepte bulunduk,
01:52:37bunlarla ilgili araştırmalar eee savcılıkça tabii ki
01:52:41araştırılıyor, peki bir de sizin sanırım bir fetih kabir
01:52:44isteğiniz olacak, öyle midir önce sorayım
01:52:47evet eee şimdi biz bir
01:52:51haftalık süre zarfında... eee dosyayı
01:52:54aldığımız günden beri 30'un üzerinde eee talebimiz oldu, bir
01:52:58kısmını bizler paylaştık, bunların eee birçoğu
01:53:01karşılandı, %90'ın üzerinde karşılandı, araştırmalar eee
01:53:05halen yapılıyor, sonucu gelenler var eee kısa süre
01:53:09sonra özellikle dar baz çalışmasından sonra ki sayın
01:53:12savcımızla geçen hafta yaptığımız görüşmede 6-7
01:53:16kişi sadece kaldığını eee darbaz çalışmasının bitmek üzere
01:53:19olduğunu bize ifade ettiler. Bu dar baz
01:53:23çalışmasıyla birlikte tabii dar baz çalışması yapılırken bizim de
01:53:26isimlerini eklet eklediğimiz eee
01:53:29ve eee telefonların incelenmesini istediğimiz kişiler var şüpheliler
01:53:33var bunlar eee darba çalışması yapan ekibe
01:53:36verildi bu isimler ve telefonlar birkaç gün
01:53:39içerisinde dar baz çalışması bitmiş olacak beklentimiz o şekilde sayın savcının
01:53:43bize vermiş olduğu bilgiler doğrultusında söylüyorum eee bu
01:53:47bir haftalık zaman zarfında belki bu hafta eee bizi
01:53:50tatmin eden sonuçlar. "eğer gelmez ise
01:53:54biz eee fethi kabir yapıp diyatom testinin yapılması konusunda
01:53:58kesinlikle kararlı olduğumuzu ifade etmek isteriz. Bu yönde
01:54:02ben aileyle de görüştüm, aile de eee kabul etti, eee
01:54:05muhtemelen önümüzdeki hafta eee fethi
01:54:08kabir yapılaraktan diyaton testinin yapılmasını talep
01:54:12edeceğiz. Bunu özellikle eee izah etmek isteriz,
01:54:1520 2025 ocak ayında Diatom testinin
01:54:19yapılması talep edilmiş ancak adli tıp eee de'.
01:54:23işki eee sağlıklı sonuç vermeyeceği için ne testi bir daha tekrar
01:54:26eder misiniz diyatom testi diyatom testi
01:54:30onunla neyi tespit ediyorlar
01:54:32diyaton testi eee denizde. veyahut gölde çıkan bir
01:54:36cesedin eee öldükten sonra mı denize
01:54:40atıldığı, öldürüldükten sonra mı denize atıldığı yoksa denize
01:54:43atıldıktan sonra boğulmak suretiyle mi eee
01:54:46öldürüldüğü sonucunu ortaya çıkarıyor ve bu eee sonuçlar
01:54:50%80 civarında bir sonuç vermektedir
01:54:53%80 oranda eee sonuç veriyor
01:54:57eee adli tıp bu konuda eee diyatom testini yapmaktan
01:55:00çekinirse eğer biz Koç Üniversitesi ile alanda uzman
01:55:04profesörlerle. görüştük, dosyanın Koç Üniversitesi'ne verilmesini eee
01:55:07talep edeceğiz ve orada
01:55:11ve adli tıp kısmını orada yürüteceksiniz tabii bu
01:55:14halen yapılabilir mi? evet halen yapılır, çünkü kemik iliklerinden
01:55:17hücrelerinden tespit edilecek olan diatomların van
01:55:21gülünde aynısı tabii oradan da numuneler alınacak eğer tutarsa ciddi
01:55:25bir sonuç eee ortaya çıkacaktır. bu azından
01:55:28adli tıp kurumunun eee netice kısmında ölüm
01:55:32sebebini belirlerken eee suda boğulan öldüğü kabul
01:55:36edilmelidir, edilmelidir şeklindeki sonucunu, sonucundan daha
01:55:39kuvvetli bir sonuç olarak ortaya çıkacaktır diye düşünüyoruz biz. eee diatum
01:55:43testini önümüzdeki hafta eğer bu hafta bir hafta içerisinde
01:55:47taleplerimiz, taleplerimizin sonuçları bizi tatmin etmez
01:55:51ise bunu kesinlikle yapacağımızı ifade etmek isterim.
01:55:54Sayın Karabulut, teşekkür ediyorum, emeklilerinize de ayrıca teşekkür
01:55:58ediyorum. Rojin için birkaç husus daha var onları da ben
01:56:02belirtmek isterim. Şimdi.
01:56:05telefon halen açılmadı biliyorsunuz burada da açılmadı,
01:56:08bu konuda sayın savcılıkla bir uzlaşıya vardık, aynı
01:56:12marka ve modelde olan bir telefonu, kullanılmış bir telefonu biz
01:56:15bulacağız, evet bizlere ulaşanlar var, biz bu
01:56:18telefonu açarız diyenler var, çok rahat da açarız diyenler
01:56:21var, aynı marka ve modelde rojin kullanmış olduğu aynı
01:56:25marka ve modelde olan telefonu biz o kişiye bilir kişiye
01:56:29vereceğiz, şifresini kırabiliyorsa ve verileri silinmeden
01:56:32açabiliyorsa rojin telefonunda kendisi. vereceğiz, siber
01:56:36eee suçlar biriminin önünde o telefonun açılmasını sağlayacağız, bunu da burada
01:56:40izah etmek isterim. Çok teşekkür ediyorum Karabulut,
01:56:43paylaştığınız bilgiler için ve en önemlisi de eee bu olayın
01:56:47aydınlatılması için yürüttüğünüz bu çaba
01:56:50için. Ben teşekkür ederim, sizlerin de
01:56:53katkılarınızdan dolayı eee çok çok teşekkür ediyorum. Teşekkür
02:00:23bir fırtına bütün dünya için konuşulabilir, elbette ki bunun
02:00:27yansımaları Türkiye'ye de eee gerçekleşiyor, tahliye
02:00:30edilenler, tutuklananlar gözaltılar, bu
02:00:33ekonomiye de sıçramış durumda, fon piyasasında
02:00:36borsada ciddi hareketlilikler, dün devre
02:00:39kesiciler devreye girince bir anda bu sabah için Meme Şimşek'in
02:00:43ağac'.