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00:00:38It just gets more dramatic here. Meaning, the one who fell like this,
00:00:41this person, after that fall and probably the injuries he says,
00:00:45has climbed up 7,000 feet. If you convert it, it's
00:00:482100 meters. 2100 meters, look, this person is a
00:00:51military man, and everyone who has climbed has climbed a little.
00:00:55This thing about climbing 2100 meters
00:00:59is not like this. Now, I don't know if this is in our footage or not, because I haven't
00:01:02seen the cut footage. He says,
00:01:05he says because of the problem that happened and I fell, the seat
00:01:09exploded, but I didn't explode.
00:01:12My food was gone, I had very little water with me.
00:01:15I had nothing. We've shown his fractures and all that, now we'll see. Now
00:01:19he also says, after all this, this gentleman
00:01:23has climbed
00:01:25off. It took a 20 to an altitude of 2100 meters.
00:01:27This also doesn't add up. And these things,
00:01:31when a pilot says them, we are enemies with this person,
00:01:34and we are very sorry that he is alive. But our agreement in this
00:01:38program was to analyze with a cool head. These don't
00:01:42add up. This person is not uneducated, nor is he overexcited.
00:01:46They gave him a script, and the script is again pleasing to the Maga audience, you see. He says
00:01:49you should never give in to circumstances. You can,
00:01:53you will, and you go. Now let's
00:02:01did you have food and water on you?
00:02:04typically a survival kit which is included in the
00:02:08seat uh has food, water, additional survival
00:02:11equipment, some medical uh kit, but due to the damage of my seat
00:02:15i did not have one of those with me. did have a
00:02:18survival vest which we all wear, so wearing what i you see
00:02:22before you plus a harness and and uh
00:02:26g- suuit things to help me in the flying aspect, then..."
00:02:30top of that as a survival vest that includes some basic
00:02:33signaling equipment, communication equipment, very minimal amount
00:02:36of water uh and a couple of other tools to help me survive. how did
00:02:40you deal with your injuries?
00:02:43did my best given the things that we had,
00:02:47so the internal ones there's not much to do uh
00:02:50about other than make allowances for them as moved, the
00:02:54external ones that
00:02:56did my best to stop the bleeding once there was an opportunity to do so.
00:03:01Well, he says, what about food? He says, I didn't have food,
00:03:04I had a little water. What about wounds and such? There were some internal wounds
00:03:08that he couldn't do anything about. Most of the wounds were external, which he
00:03:11took care of so they wouldn't bleed. He also says, for internal wounds, for example,
00:03:15let's say due to this impact, his spine was affected or
00:03:18for example, his stomach was bleeding. For example, I was careful while
00:03:22moving. Now, exactly, while moving, how can you be careful about your stomach
00:03:25bleeding? What do you think you're going to do?
00:03:28Your resistance. Meaning, they completely take
00:03:31the external stuff to the Islamic Republic's television.
00:03:35Actually, this part where he said internal wounds and
00:03:38I was careful about them, I really didn't understand it.
00:03:42I mean, the first thing he said was that he couldn't do anything about it, which is more logical. Sir, for example, my stomach was bleeding,
00:03:46for example, nothing could be done. My lung was also damaged
00:03:49due to, for example, air pressure and change. What
00:03:53did you do about it? He says, I was careful
00:03:55about them.
00:03:58This part he is saying is correct. He says all military pilots, because they
00:04:02have a device called ejection from the plane in emergency
00:04:05situations, are trained in survival and hiding and getting
00:04:09themselves to a location where they can carry out extraction operations
00:04:12for them. This is completely correct.
00:04:16Under their seats, they have some essential equipment for where they
00:04:20are going. The seats all have a boat, which of course here
00:04:23was on land. They also have a self-inflating boat, meaning it inflates itself.
00:04:27They have a limited food
00:04:31ration. They have a weapon. A passport for the country they are going
00:04:34to bomb. They design fake identification
00:04:37documents for him there. He has money from that place, he has
00:04:41some dollars or other foreign currencies that might be useful for
00:04:44his rescue, because they can't determine where he will fall.
00:04:48He has those. This is correct, but
00:04:52they were out of his reach. Yes, because the
00:04:55seat exploded. Then, let me tell you, he is
00:04:59explaining this. And he started that climb,
00:05:02and apparently, from what I understood, he also had some bleeding.
00:05:06He tried to stop that blood from the external wounds, in addition
00:05:09to having fractures.
00:05:12He also had bleeding. He says he climbed
00:05:152100 meters.
00:05:26search and rescue planes and landed a makeshift desert air
00:05:29strip, they then unloaded small little bird
00:05:32helicopters capable of reaching bravo on the ridg
00:05:36line several miles away. this is
00:05:39Bravo on the ridg line waiting to be picked up.
00:05:42The Pentagon declassified this video of the
00:05:45rescue. The two service members on either side of
00:05:49Bravo were Elite Air Force Para rescue
00:05:52operators known in the military as
00:05:55PJs. The moment a PJ showed up to me on
00:05:59that ridge line was one of the greatest moments of my life, and
00:06:02I don't know how to say it anymore clearly thank
00:06:05you for all that they did. What did your
00:06:09rescuer say when they got to you? The specific conversation. and I think
00:06:13I'll leave for another time as I don't want to release anything that's not
00:06:16just my story to tell. What did you say to
00:06:20them? Let's go.
00:06:23Bravo was in American hands, but not out of
00:06:27danger. Back at the Makeshift Air Strip, the rescue
00:06:30plane's landing gear was stuck in the desert sand
00:06:34and the planes could not take
00:06:37clandestine unit of the US Air Force to get
00:06:41Bravo and the night.
00:07:12took him, and then they bombed. This is the last
00:07:16video. So, we didn't have
00:07:19the injuries. He says I had fractures in my
00:07:23lower back, in my shoulder, and fractures in my cervical vertebrae.
00:07:26We said before, ejecting from the plane, jumping out, is generally a
00:07:30damaging act. Today, because we wanted to come, I
00:07:33did a Google search. 30%
00:07:37of pilots who have been announced worldwide and
00:07:40whose medical condition after ejecting from the plane
00:07:44had fractures in their back. That means it's a
00:07:48very damaging process.
00:07:51And how he had all these and also had bleeding, he stopped his bleeding, then
00:07:55climbed 2100 meters. I really have no opinion on
00:07:58these. According to the estimate, he says it took 50 hours to reach a
00:08:01safe place. In the end, he
00:08:04connects it to that strange operation. These are in Dasht-e
00:08:08Mohayyar and he tries to color
00:08:11the Pentagon's own narrative that this was a search and rescue
00:08:15operation, an extraction operation of the pilot.
00:08:18Apparently, the operation, with the information we have gathered so far,
00:08:22the documentaries produced, the information we have collected from here and there,
00:08:26at least my understanding is that it's not like this. There were some
00:08:29people there whose presence is
00:08:32somewhat problematic. For example, we showed a visa
00:08:36from a lady right here in this program. Let the guys
00:08:39show Amanda's visa, yes.
00:08:43She and, for example, her whole team, with a visa, look,
00:08:47she even had enough time to go to Israel. Their base was in Israel,
00:08:50so she got a visa. That's it. We had given this before. This is
00:08:53the State of Israel Control.
00:08:56Israeli border control, which had a B2
00:09:00State Permit until
00:09:02286 to
00:09:0520626,
00:09:07which back then, when we calculated it, would have been a 60-day visa, effectively. Am I right?
00:09:11Yes, the entry time that occurred was actually
00:09:14yes. The fact that we explained back then that when she came
00:09:18and got a visa like this and entered as a US military force, it means the US
00:09:22didn't enter. Americans didn't want to share their special
00:09:26operations military intelligence with the Israelis. They didn't want it to be obvious.
00:09:29She came as a private person to the US.
00:09:33The second part is that they had entered Israel much earlier
00:09:37for special operations work. If it's a campaign, if it's a campaign against
00:09:41Iran that was entirely based on aerial bombardment,
00:09:44there's no need to deploy special forces there.
00:09:48Second, the amount of equipment they
00:09:50brought, the estimates are clear. They brought this many Little Bird
00:09:54helicopters, this many
00:09:57other helicopters, this many people came and tried to command an
00:10:00area. From the remnants we have
00:10:04now, we are certain that they had brought
00:10:06some of these four-wheeled off-road
00:10:10vehicles.
00:10:12And there is more information, but it has not been released yet.
00:10:15Apparently, there was a station
00:10:18there for refueling and carrying out an
00:10:22operation. Then,
00:10:26after that, they got stuck right at
00:10:29the beginning when their planes landed.
00:10:33Contrary to this narrative, this narrative says it happened when they were taking off. At the very
00:10:37moment they landed, well,
00:10:40at that very moment, this operation was canceled, and
00:10:43quickly, all they did there was return.
00:10:46This CBS narrative, again, this is my analysis, as far as I understand.
00:10:50Maybe there was another reason. Maybe others have other opinions.
00:10:54It has two functions.
00:11:21The second thing I understand is that now, finally, the time has come when the pressure, really the economic
00:11:25pressure in America,
00:11:28is coming and affecting the core of Maga in America itself.
00:11:32This is the first time. We had a video, I couldn't find it. A truck
00:11:35driver took a video of himself,
00:11:38he says, "Trump, I voted for you, and I still support
00:11:42you, but this Iran issue..." he curses a few times, "Stop it. I, for example,
00:11:45it's gotten to a point where it's not worth working.
00:11:49I can't move my truck." This is the first
00:11:52time the pressures are really affecting American society.
00:11:56And this is a part of their psychological operation
00:11:59to organize the Maga mindset
00:12:03that we are doing something meaningful in Iran.
00:12:06And this is a war where we are very strong, we are doing a lot of
00:12:10work. He is trying to theorize this for
00:12:14them, so to speak. It's a psychological operation. In my opinion, it had no other
00:12:17function, and certainly, if this person is
00:12:21a pilot, if he really is a pilot, because look, they fully
00:12:28showed his face. I really don't understand this. They showed his face, but didn't say his name.
00:12:31And if he is a pilot, what he said wasn't like what
00:12:35a pilot would say, "I crashed at 160 kilometers per hour,
00:12:39I exploded, then I climbed 2100 meters,
00:12:42I sat for 50 hours with internal and external bleeding and
00:12:46everything because I had the will, and
00:12:50yes, a miracle happened, and I was
00:12:52rescued." This, in my opinion, is not something a pilot would say,
00:12:56even if a miracle happened to him. As a scientific person,
00:13:00he tries to keep it to himself, and come and tell
00:13:03the physical narrative of the matter. I didn't see that in him. I think
00:13:07it has its own function, and the Dasht-e Mohayyar operation needs to be
00:13:10covered up somehow. Very good. Mr.
00:13:19about the Oman meeting, and we still are, but
00:13:23the conditions at the end of the Oman meeting seem...
00:13:49In this situation where we are witnessing fluctuations and rising oil prices, why should we
00:13:53have gone to the Oman meeting?
00:13:56And participated in this
00:13:58initiative? Look, in my opinion, I don't
00:14:02really agree with this narrative. The reason is
00:14:05that
00:14:08this Oman meeting
00:14:10could have been a
00:14:13cornerstone for the beginning
00:14:17of a process of change in the political
00:14:20and security order of the Persian Gulf.
00:14:22Why? And if it had been held, in my opinion, it would have been
00:14:26an unprecedented event
00:14:30in the past five decades. Meaning,
00:14:33in the various crises we have had in these 5 decades, since the Islamic Revolution
00:14:37until now, the security
00:14:40and political order in the Persian Gulf was an American security
00:14:44and political order, in reality. Meaning, the Americans, based
00:14:48on the security guarantees they had
00:14:51given to the Persian Gulf countries and the
00:14:55large number of military bases they had in this region, which is perhaps
00:14:59rare in other parts of the
00:15:02world, determined
00:15:06the agenda, actions, and arrangements of the region's political and security
00:15:10order.
00:15:11The
00:15:1440-day war created a change.
00:15:18I used a term, well, it's a term from Fareed
00:15:22Zakaria regarding the order.
00:15:27However, in my opinion, before the war, the order of the Persian Gulf
00:15:31was, one could say, an American order, commensurate with the fact that
00:15:34the countries of the region were heavily dependent,
00:15:38consumers in terms of security,
00:15:41and heavily dependent on the US and US security guarantees.
00:15:44I used the term "American order"
00:15:48and "post-American order" in the Persian Gulf because
00:15:51after the war, meaning after the attack on Iran and
00:15:54the 40-day war, a
00:15:58perceptual and strategic gap
00:16:02arose among the countries of the region.
00:16:06And that was that the Americans
00:16:09cannot guarantee our
00:16:12security. Well, not only could the Americans
00:16:15not protect the interests of these countries
00:16:19against attacks, but the Americans
00:16:22couldn't even protect their own bases in these countries.
00:16:25نتونستن از پایگاه های خودشون توی این کشورها به هر
00:16:29صورت مراقبت بکنن و حفاظت
00:16:30This does not mean that these countries are reducing
00:16:34their dependence on the US,
00:16:40or want to reduce their security dependence on the US. Rather, its main meaning is
00:16:44that the countries bordering the Persian Gulf and the countries
00:16:48of the region have come to the conclusion that they can no longer rely on the US as
00:16:51a reliable security guarantor.
00:16:55The Mecca agreement can also be evaluated
00:16:59within this framework. For the first time, in my opinion,
00:17:02if this Oman meeting had been held,
00:17:06a political and security taboo in the region
00:17:10would have been broken.
00:17:12And that was the taboo of the dependence
00:17:16of the region's countries on
00:17:18American arrangements. The Amman meeting was supposed to be held
00:17:22about what? About
00:17:26the agreement between Iran and Oman
00:17:29for the management of the Strait of Hormuz.
00:17:33That is, the Iranian order in the Strait
00:17:36of Hormuz. Well, the Omanis
00:17:39before this were trying to reach a bilateral
00:17:43agreement with us and announce
00:17:46it.
00:17:48Which met with strong opposition both within Arab countries,
00:17:52especially the UAE, and even
00:17:54Saudi Arabia, and from the Americans themselves
00:17:58to this bilateral agreement.
00:18:01And many behind-the-scenes efforts were made
00:18:04to disrupt this,
00:18:08which ultimately led to Oman's withdrawal
00:18:12from the agreement with Iran. Now the Omanis have backed
00:18:15down. I'm talking about the first time for this meeting, after the war. You also
00:18:18say what exactly happened now. So, what
00:18:21exactly is the current status of the meeting? Now, apparently, the meeting
00:18:24has been canceled due to a lack of consensus,
00:18:28as the Omani Foreign Minister tweeted. But in my opinion,
00:18:31the issue goes beyond the discussion.
00:18:34The Saudis opposed this due to
00:18:40developments in Yemen.
00:18:42But the reality is, we must look at this
00:18:46within the broader picture. Neither is it desirable for the Americans
00:18:49that an agreement between Iran and Oman be signed
00:18:52and announced, nor is it desirable for the Saudis,
00:18:56in my opinion, nor for the Emiratis. This
00:19:00issue of the Oman meeting and the agreement between Iran and Oman
00:19:04regarding the Strait of Hormuz still
00:19:06has new opponents. Even within the Gulf Cooperation
00:19:10Council, there are
00:19:14anyway many differences regarding this. The Emiratis are
00:19:17strongly against this. One reality that exists is that
00:19:21they have an understanding, which is that if we
00:19:25accept these Iranian arrangements over the Strait of Hormuz,
00:19:29because both at the entrance and exit, it can almost
00:19:32be said that Iranian sovereignty and arrangements over
00:19:35the Strait of Hormuz and the entry and exit routes were almost
00:19:39recognized, and this agreement was reached between Iran
00:19:43and Oman. If this were accepted,
00:19:46and if this meeting were held,
00:19:50it would mean implicitly accepting that Iranian order in the Strait of Hormuz, in my opinion,
00:19:54and this is not at all desirable for the Americans either. Meaning,
00:19:57if this action were taken, if this agreement were concluded and announced
00:20:01in a regional meeting, then the Americans would say, "Where are we
00:20:04in this?" In addition to
00:20:07the issue that the Americans had before this in negotiations
00:20:11with us before the war, after the war, excuse me, meaning
00:20:15in the interim, yes, was that, "Hey, forget about these
00:20:19Arabs, come with us and reach an agreement
00:20:22regarding the Strait of Hormuz. Let's manage this together."
00:20:26Yesterday, Trump also reacted and said
00:20:29that it's none of his business, and it's not an important
00:20:33issue for him either. It's their own business. But the reality
00:20:36is that the future
00:20:39of the Strait of Hormuz and the arrangements
00:20:42made here, and the
00:20:45political and security order that will
00:20:49prevail over the Persian Gulf. Because the reality is that the previous
00:20:53order in the Persian Gulf has collapsed. That is, the American order in the Persian Gulf
00:20:57has collapsed. New arrangements and
00:21:00new provisions must be established in this region,
00:21:03and if this were announced at the Oman meeting as
00:21:07its cornerstone, as its foundation,
00:21:10this agreement between Iran and Oman, with the support of the regional countries,
00:21:14were announced, it would create a serious challenge
00:21:16to the presence and to the
00:21:20interests and considerations of American security, political, and even
00:21:23economic influence in the Persian Gulf.
00:21:26Therefore, in my opinion, if this Oman
00:21:29meeting had been held, and on the other hand, why were the Omanis
00:21:33pursuing this issue? The Omanis had experienced
00:21:36pressure, opposition, and threats from the US. That is, Trump openly
00:21:40stated that "we will bomb you" to
00:21:44the Omanis, and the Omanis backed down after this incident.
00:21:47And anyway, they cancelled
00:21:51that agreement they had with us,
00:21:53although we also, in any case, made changes
00:21:56in the diplomatic process with Oman,
00:22:00so that the Omanis eventually agreed
00:22:03to some issues and some
00:22:07of the considerations we had. However,
00:22:10Oman was also trying to gather the regional countries around
00:22:14itself to reduce the pressure from the US
00:22:17and from the UAE, as two main opponents.
00:22:21But it didn't work again. And this pressure from the US
00:22:25and some Arab players like the UAE, and also
00:22:29Saudi Arabia, given that
00:22:32in my opinion, one of the reasons why the Saudis pressured
00:22:35for the Oman
00:22:37meeting
00:22:39not to be held is that they intend to gain concessions
00:22:43from Iran on the Yemen issue, and tie
00:22:53But up to this point, Mr. Najafi has a narrative about the very
00:22:56holding of this meeting. He says that this meeting was exactly where this created vacuum
00:23:00could be filled by Iran's proactive role.
00:23:03And that's why it was completely correct that it should
00:23:07be held. We agree
00:23:10with Mr. Najafi on thousands of issues,
00:23:14but on this matter, I think we will have a 100%
00:23:17difference in analysis. Well, not
00:23:21100%, but a lot. Let me mention a few points.
00:23:23First,
00:23:26the principle of regional arrangements, the principle of multilateral
00:23:29participation. The very discussion of participating in Salalah, Oman, a
00:23:33meeting between the foreign ministers all around
00:23:37the Persian Gulf, all of them, the North Shore, the South
00:23:40Shore, everyone together having a meeting, is one
00:23:44issue. Its timing is another issue.
00:23:48A part of the matter is entirely about timing. So,
00:23:52for a moment, let's put all the criticisms about the content
00:23:55aside, or the praises, let's just put them aside and not talk
00:23:59about whether it was good at this time or not. We are only saying this from
00:24:02an analytical perspective. We said we are not the decision-makers,
00:24:05they know better. There are a thousand and one hidden
00:24:09points in the matter. They see them. We can only analyze to some extent
00:24:13based on the explicit information we have.
00:24:16Timing is our issue. In the program that Mr.
00:24:20Kharatian was coincidentally present at last night, the central
00:24:24point of last night's program was exactly the timing.
00:24:27It's not just about oil,
00:24:31that we just have a Brent price and just say Brent went up.
00:24:35We've said this many times in our program. Mr. Qarati
00:24:39has completely broken down what indicators,
00:24:42what is the X index, what is the MOVE index, what
00:24:46are the bond yields, how is the interest rate in Japan?
00:24:49What is the US strategic petroleum reserve?
00:24:53And several other indicators. What is the geopolitical risk index?
00:24:56And where is it now, what are its trends? All these
00:25:00indicators together actually come to tell the audience
00:25:03what they do. Issues that generally
00:25:07say whether the situation is good or bad are presented
00:25:11as data,
00:25:13sometimes visually so that it's easy to see.
00:25:17So, scientifically speaking, it's very simple. They say, "Is the situation good?"
00:25:20They say if this chart is low, it's this, if it's high, it's that.
00:25:24And these can also be compared on this chart. It makes it very simple.
00:25:28Only for this, for this reason. Therefore, a chart
00:25:31in one word wants to tell you if the situation is good or bad.
00:25:34The combination of these charts becomes the things we say,
00:25:38for example, that the per capita income in a country
00:25:41is high, for example, a country that sells a lot of
00:25:44oil. Then they say, "No, there's another indicator, a
00:25:48Gini coefficient, which shows how this money earned is distributed among these people."
00:25:52If, for example, 10% of society, 20% of society,
00:25:5595% of that money, then on paper, the per capita
00:25:59income is high, but in reality, it's different. Those indicators
00:26:02quantify for you whether the situation is good or bad. Well,
00:26:06now we have a situation. We are in conflict with America. In what
00:26:09situation are we? Of course, Dr. Baqaei's statement was correct that we are not in a no-war, no-peace
00:26:13situation, we are in a state of war, in its precise
00:26:16meaning. If we want to look at it, that statement is correct. But
00:26:19the no-war, no-peace situation, in terms of political
00:26:23data, applies to this situation to some extent. So it's not
00:26:26wrong to say no-war, no-peace. What does it mean? It means we don't have
00:26:30military conflict, but the situation is not
00:26:32stable. Meaning, an investor says, "Should I invest now or not?" I, on the other hand, for example,
00:26:36cannot export my oil. What should I import? That
00:26:39thing, its currency allocation has a problem. The other thing, what about it? These are the
00:26:43situations, and it's not peace either. Well, in this situation
00:26:47we are in, where do we want to get to? Something that was also raised
00:26:50in last night's program was, let's get to a point where
00:26:53at least the situation returns
00:26:56to the pre-war conditions. I'm saying the absolute
00:26:59minimum. Meaning, we must return to February 27th.
00:27:05What existed for us on February 27th? A
00:27:09shadow of war threat. Meaning, he said he would strike, and he did the next day. That
00:27:12must be removed. Third,
00:27:15we had economic problems that had foreign origins. We have economic problems
00:27:19that have domestic origins. We have economic problems that have foreign origins.
00:27:22With certain tools, on that very day, February 27th, we were
00:27:26negotiating for him to remove sanctions and so on. He wasn't
00:27:30removing them. We said, "Well, let's have a tool." Even
00:27:34if we want to continue that process, now some people doubt if it's good or not, but
00:27:37now let's have a new tool. So, let's summarize,
00:27:41where do we want to get to? Return to the pre-war conditions.
00:27:45Second, the possibility of economic reconstruction should be
00:27:48provided, and the threat of war removed. Well, they say that to achieve these three
00:27:52goals, returning to pre-war means the normalization
00:27:55of conditions in terms of war and moving towards a state of peace. Let me also
00:27:59explain this.
00:28:01In this situation we want to reach, they say, "The enemy came and attacked,
00:28:05killed your people, destroyed your infrastructure, and is still
00:28:09besieging you. He's not going to fix it for God's sake.
00:28:12You have to put pressure on him to accept
00:28:15your conditions." Very simply, who accepts
00:28:19it? The one who is under serious pressure. That is very clear. Can pressure be
00:28:23created in one day? No. That is, even if you, for example, have an atomic
00:28:26bomb and drop it on someone, it still doesn't solve
00:28:30everything in one day. Well, there are
00:28:33processes that must... Well, in these current conditions...
00:28:37Where is the situation of America, what do those indicators show? It has reached a point where
00:28:41it either has to do something or
00:28:44hit harder. Yes, this is an option. Is it feasible? The reasons
00:28:48show no, this is one of the options on paper, not practical
00:28:51options. Two, start giving concessions. Well,
00:28:55if we did something in this situation, even temporarily, the pressure on
00:28:59America was reduced, hit. It's in our own interest, even if this action
00:29:03is positive in other ways.
00:29:06This is regarding its timing, but about
00:29:09seven points that no, in terms of
00:29:13content, there might be criticisms
00:29:16raised, which right now, Trump has a new stance.
00:29:20Let's put Trump, I think this discussion will also return to this. Right now, the guys are talking to each other. Guys,
00:29:24put Trump's new stance on
00:29:26the wall. He said, what about
00:29:30Iran's decline, eager to
00:29:34do it quickly and under any circumstances. I will decide whether
00:29:37the United States will engage or not. This is an issue that
00:29:41we are open to. Thank you for your attention
00:29:44to this matter. This, perhaps, Mr. Najafi, is one of
00:29:48the interpretations of time, meaning Trump is
00:29:51taking a stance on this situation right now, observing
00:29:54our actions in our relationship with our southern neighbors
00:29:58on the southern shores of the Persian Gulf and with himself.
00:30:17What is important for us in this war equation is
00:30:20that we can and
00:30:23are fighting for it, and our most important leverage is
00:30:27to establish these Iranian arrangements
00:30:30in the Persian Gulf. We need to do this.
00:30:33It needs to be accepted. In this path,
00:30:37well, you have some tactical and temporal priorities.
00:30:40Sir, we shouldn't have gone to
00:30:44the Oman meeting. We should have
00:30:46let it happen at another time,
00:30:50but the reality is that sometimes
00:30:53you have to, after all, for those strategic goals, advance
00:30:57priorities.
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