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00:00:00If we create such a situation naturally, the meat industry will be a much
00:00:04more humane industry today. Rabbi, are you, who wrote the book
00:00:08"Jewish Vegetarianism," a Jewish vegetarian yourself or a
00:00:11vegetarian Jew? So I'm glad you asked if I'm a Jewish vegetarian,
00:00:14because if you had asked if I'm a vegetarian, the answer would have had
00:00:18to be no. Jewish vegetarianism is to treat eating meat
00:00:21as something non-trivial, not something you do
00:00:24along the way. Seriously, when they ask me
00:00:28before reserves or before a flight, what meal do I request? I
00:00:32always request a vegan meal. I arrive and there are piles of meat left, so I eat
00:00:35the meat. That is, I try to see how I
00:00:39ensure that fewer animals
00:00:41are slaughtered. But I'm not totally against eating them if they've already been
00:00:45slaughtered. So you're also a bit of a Jewish vegetarian. Right, I
00:00:48I I think every person in the world, especially in a time
00:00:52of such excessive abundance and hunger in other places, should reduce consumption, Rabbi.
00:00:55הרב.
00:01:04The truth is, I'm in a period where I eat more meat because I can't
00:01:08explain it. There's a situation related to the political situation, war, and depression.
00:01:11And I find comfort in eating meat. I do live in a vegetarian
00:01:15household. My wife has been a vegetarian for many, many years. I appreciate her very much. If civilization
00:01:19collapses and I return
00:01:22from our place at the top of the food
00:01:26chain to a situation where I fight with other animals
00:01:30for survival, then I might reconsider it
00:01:32anew.
00:01:40The last chapter was probably the most complex for me.
00:01:43I already said I'm vegan, yes, and this is the meat chapter. I want
00:01:47to summarize in a few words some of the impressions
00:01:50from this challenging journey that we were privileged to go through.
00:05:54and downs over the years, in its relations with
00:05:58its neighbors, with the great powers, with other countries
00:06:01in the world, and with international bodies. These relations are often
00:06:05influenced by the changing reality, mainly
00:06:07by the Israeli-Arab conflict, and in the last
00:06:11two years. Each of us has become
00:06:14an expert in foreign
00:06:17embassy affairs. Even before its establishment, the Zionist movement
00:06:21worked to preserve and develop its ties with the countries of the world and with various
00:06:24international organizations. Diplomatic relations are rooted somewhere
00:06:28in the development of the Zionist movement's international ties among
00:06:32the global powers. The movement then set as its goal
00:06:36developing ties with the power on which the sun never
00:06:39sets, namely the British
00:06:42Empire. And indeed, the important achievement was
00:06:46the Balfour Declaration, in which Britain declared its commitment
00:06:49to establishing a national home for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. But you all
00:06:53know that it's all personal because Weizmann was from Manchester and he was friends with this
00:06:57guy and that guy, and somehow they did him a favor, as they say,
00:07:00and gave him this declaration. But the White Paper
00:07:04deteriorated relations, and from there, everything
00:07:07was about strengthening ties with the rising power, the United
00:07:10States. Israel's first diplomatic representation
00:07:13was the Israeli Legation
00:07:16in Warsaw, Poland, which opened in
00:07:201948, a short time after the declaration of the state. That's
00:07:24fantastic, we started right away from Poland. Israeli
00:07:28ambassadors are Israel's diplomatic representatives.
00:07:31They lead the diplomatic mission in those countries.
00:07:35Israel also has ambassadors in international organizations like the UN, UNESCO,
00:07:39the European Union, and more. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has diplomatic
00:07:43representations in over 100 countries. What exactly
00:07:46is the role of an ambassador in normal
00:07:49times? What happens to ambassadors
00:07:52especially during
00:07:55this period? It's not a picnic to be an ambassador
00:07:58today. This period, which is a period of anti-Israeli
00:08:02demonstrations in almost every point in the world,
00:08:05endless cases of
00:08:08for anti-Israeli activity.
00:08:12How do you maintain good relations with friendly
00:08:15countries and how can additional diplomatic
00:08:18ties be developed when Israel is facing a political tsunami of hatred,
00:08:22isolation, political isolation, condemnation, and boycotts? Tonight
00:08:26we will listen to those
00:08:29who are on the diplomatic front, and there is no
00:08:32more accurate word than "front" in this
00:08:36case. These are those who have been on that front for
00:08:39years and act as a shield
00:08:43for the image of the State of Israel in the eyes of the countries
00:08:46of the world and the organizations
00:08:49in which they operate.
00:08:53I would like to invite to the stage Yossi Avni-Levy,
00:08:56writer and ambassador, he completed
00:09:00his service in Berlin.
00:09:03Yossi Avni-Levy, winner of the Brenner
00:09:06Prize. Here
00:09:08he is.
00:09:11Winner.
00:09:17Three days in summer, he was spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
00:09:21for Israeli media and an envoy in Warsaw.
00:09:24You see, they didn't bring anything back. In the end, you were an envoy
00:09:28in Warsaw, when Warsaw was already on our map since
00:09:311948. Luckily you weren't there then,
00:09:35it was much more dangerous. Friends, ladies and gentlemen, I want to invite
00:09:39Yitzhak Eldan, Yitzhakan. President
00:09:42of the Ambassadors Club in Israel and head of the Israeli
00:09:46School for Young Ambassadors,
00:09:49head of the text of the State of Israel, because
00:09:51he
00:09:55is, as it should be, what is called. He held
00:09:59a series of positions in a number of embassies,
00:10:03consulates, and important Jewish communities: Denmark,
00:10:06Paris, Canada, Los
00:10:20to the stage Dr. Rodica
00:10:23Radian-Gordon. Rodica, as you can hear
00:10:27from the name, is very likely
00:10:30from
00:10:32Romania.
00:10:36And Dr.
00:10:37Rodica
00:10:41was Deputy Director-General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
00:10:44in Europe, as the Ambassador of Israel to Romania, Mexico, Spain,
00:10:48prior to which she held diplomatic positions
00:10:51in the Embassies of Israel in Warsaw and in B.
00:10:57Hello everyone, I'm inviting
00:11:00to the stage a longtime friend,
00:11:03Avi Pazner. Avi Pazner, one of the veterans of the former Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
00:11:07Ambassador of Israel to Italy and France, the man
00:11:11who actually brought us to the situation where the Vatican opened
00:11:15its doors. His diplomatic activity began
00:11:18in the Central African Republic and then in Kenya. He was Spokesperson for the Ministry
00:11:22of Foreign Affairs and Spokesperson for the Israeli delegation to the conference
00:11:25during the term of Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He was
00:11:29Israel's first non-resident ambassador
00:11:32to Albania, and today Albania is already opening up, as
00:11:35you know, and it is completely open. He served as the World Chairman
00:11:39of Keren Hayesod, and he speaks no less
00:12:44Embassy in Moscow, then in those days,
00:12:47to be an ambassador, to be a cultural figure
00:12:50in Moscow, that was a serious matter. He was Deputy
00:12:54Ambassador of Israel in the Ministry
00:12:56of Foreign Affairs. He published the book "When Dad Grows
00:13:00Up," which was also released in Arabic, in sign language, and in
00:13:04Braille. And today he volunteers for the Dream Healing organization at Hadassah
00:13:08Hospital in Jerusalem, and he volunteers for an association
00:13:12that treats cancer patients and their families
00:13:15and war casualties through touch. Since the beginning of the war, he has been the head of the
00:13:18Civil Diplomacy Department, a department
00:13:22that has organized over 100
00:13:25delegations in the last year.
00:13:28I would like to invite to the stage Dr. Yaakov Livne. Dr.
00:13:32Yaakov Livne is a Senior Deputy Director-General, Head of the Public Diplomacy
00:13:35Division at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Dr. Yaakov Livne,
00:13:50to Poland. What do you all have with Poland? He was the head of the
00:13:53Eurasia Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, responsible for relations with
00:13:57Russia, Ukraine, and other countries in the post-Soviet space, Deputy
00:14:00Head of the International Department, and Head of the United States Desk
00:14:03at the Center for Political
00:14:06Research. He is the Secretary of the Israeli Society for Diplomacy.
00:14:10He served as Chairman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Employees Committee, so
00:14:14when there were strikes, was that you? Me too.
00:14:17Completely. I want to invite to the stage
00:14:21the Ambassador of Israel to Ethiopia, Belaynesh
00:14:25Zevadia. Please.
00:14:28Come on, what a wonderful
00:14:33thing it is that a person
00:14:37can actually return
00:14:39to the place where they were born
00:14:43as an ambassador, and when that happens, it's just
00:14:46fantastic. She
00:14:48served in Rwanda
00:14:51and Burundi,
00:14:53and at the Consulate of Israel was Deputy Consul General of Israel
00:14:57for the Southwestern United States. Born in Gondar
00:15:00in Ethiopia, she immigrated to Israel at the age of 17. She lit
00:15:04a torch on Independence Day, the 66th anniversary of the State
00:15:07of Israel.
00:15:11When you immigrated at 17, I assume
00:15:13you immigrated as part of that great journey to the Land of Israel,
00:15:17right? I immigrated as part of Youth Aliyah. What?
00:15:21As part of Youth Aliyah. As part of Youth Aliyah?
00:15:25Of Operation Moses, but I
00:15:28didn't walk on foot, you didn't walk
00:15:31on foot. What luck! Luckily, my two families
00:15:35walked on foot, so in the family. We have people
00:15:38who went through
00:17:50that a sentence like "we don't care about
00:17:53them anymore" is not at all diplomatic. What do
00:17:55you say?
00:17:58Well, reality is a bit complex,
00:18:01and unfortunately, just like in the 60s, when you wrote the
00:18:04song, the situation then, so also
00:18:08today, I don't think the whole world is against us,
00:18:12but a not insignificant part
00:18:14of the world doesn't really
00:18:17like the things we do.
00:18:21Some of them really don't like us, and then it doesn't really matter what
00:18:25we do. We have to deal with that. What does an ambassador
00:18:28do who is in a country that doesn't like
00:18:31us? He deals with it.
00:18:35First of all, I don't think there's a country where everyone doesn't like us, and therefore,
00:18:39in every country, the first thing you do is find the people
00:18:42with whom you can engage in dialogue, and in every country there
00:18:46are such people.
00:18:48In every Western country that has a parliament,
00:18:52there are different factions, and you first go
00:18:56to the people who are willing to listen
00:18:57to you. You go
00:19:01to people, yes. For example, we have a policy in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
00:19:04in general that people who are anti-Semitic are excluded. We don't
00:19:08talk to them, but luckily, most people are not
00:19:11like that. Is there a way for an ambassador not to speak
00:19:14with the country he is in? Is there such a thing?
00:19:17No. When we are
00:19:20in a certain country, then of course, we
00:19:24come, convey our messages, organize
00:19:27support for Israel, for example,
00:19:31and often it's also
00:19:34possible to do this. For example, immediately after the
00:19:38attack of October 7th, of course,
00:19:41in every country, I think where there are Israeli embassies, we made sure
00:19:44to organize support, both political
00:19:48and public. You mentioned I was ambassador
00:19:51in Warsaw. The largest demonstrations of support
00:19:54that ever took place were actually in Poland for
00:19:57Israel. We helped organize them
00:20:01in Warsaw, in other places in Poland, and this is important
00:20:05because it sends a message, it sends a message of dialogue. It
00:20:08sends a message that other people who support
00:20:11us feel that they are not alone. This is part of what you
00:20:14do. There is a book that was recently
00:20:18written called "Diplomacy Without
00:20:20Interruption." It's by Yitzhak Eldan,
00:20:23and essentially, what is diplomacy without interruption?
00:20:27You are constantly interrupted, they send you home, and you sit at home
00:20:30for a year to dry out, maybe two years, maybe more.
00:20:34And you are no longer ambassadors in various places, but you are here in Jerusalem
00:20:38at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and all these bonuses that you have
00:20:41as ambassadors disappear from your pocket. What
00:20:44will happen?
00:20:46An inaccurate description of an Israeli diplomat.
00:20:50And the chairman of the committee can testify to the salaries of
00:20:54Foreign Ministry personnel and the lack of budgets
00:20:57for operations abroad. "Diplomacy Without
00:21:00Interruption" means a diplomat who, after leaving
00:21:03the Foreign Ministry, like me, continues
00:21:06to work to promote
00:21:09Israel's image abroad and to assist
00:21:12Israeli advocacy efforts. I
00:21:16did this through a unique project
00:21:19called "Young Ambassadors."
00:21:22From this city, and from all the cities
00:21:26in Israel, came dozens
00:21:29and thousands of young ambassadors in over
00:21:3265 delegations
00:21:34that I led abroad to develop a positive
00:21:38dialogue between Israeli youth and youth
00:21:42in those countries. Like
00:21:44Belaynesh Zevadia, I was also born in Africa. I also
00:21:48immigrated through Youth Aliyah. But not from your country, but
00:21:52from Morocco. I was born in Casablanca.
00:21:55And the dream of becoming a diplomat was ignited in me when I heard Golda
00:21:59Meir speaking on the radio in the
00:22:0260s, reaching out to African
00:22:05countries and offering them friendship,
00:22:08aid. And then I told myself, I
00:22:12want to be a diplomat, in order to also
00:22:15help African countries. The feeling
00:22:18of mission is the most basic and important
00:22:36project continues. And before,
00:22:39in March 23,
00:22:43our last delegation was to Morocco, my country
00:22:47of birth. We were received there
00:22:50like kings. Not only that, but an Israeli theater company also went there
00:22:54and performed an entire play
00:22:57in Hebrew in Morocco, and it's
00:23:00amazing, fantastic relations. Yes, Morocco
00:23:04is an excellent example of the Abraham Accords
00:23:07countries, because it signed the Abraham Accords, and we are
00:23:10now marking five years since the Abraham Accords, and if I am
00:23:14already mentioning them, you see how the Abraham Accords
00:23:17countries did not break
00:23:20relations with Israel during the two years of war
00:23:23that we are already waging, and this is
00:23:26very important. But there were riots in the capital city of Rabat,
00:23:29in other cities that protested
00:23:32against Israel, and today there are
00:23:36other strikes in Morocco against the king, but
00:23:38on local civilian issues. So here
00:23:42you have it, things change, because in
00:23:451996 we held
00:23:47an event at the festival called "Peace,"
00:23:51and ambassadors from Arab countries came, from Egypt,
00:23:54from Morocco, from Tunisia,
00:23:57even a representative of the Palestinians
00:24:01came with the flag, but he arrived late, so we didn't have time to hang his flag in the middle
00:24:04of the show. And you say, wait a minute, what a wonderful
00:24:08thing, we still have relations with Tunisia,
00:24:11for example. No, with Tunisia there are no relations. With
00:24:15Morocco, I was in Tunisia and they received me very well. We landed at the airport
00:24:18in Tunis and they said.
00:24:32So that means that this whole business of diplomacy
00:24:36is actually a kind of luftgeschäft, it changes every
00:24:39moment. Indeed, when our song "The whole world
00:24:41is against
00:24:44us" was written, you have to look at the situation today.
00:24:47Almost the whole world is against us.
00:24:50Nevertheless, Israeli representatives abroad must
00:24:54do everything.
00:24:56Avi Pazner, you are truly one of the veterans of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I think
00:25:00you even planned to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but you were not
00:25:04the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and it's a shame you weren't the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Thank you, thank you. In those days
00:25:07of Shamir and all the friends.
00:25:11How many countries in total have you been to?
00:25:14Look, I was first
00:25:17in Africa. We started our career
00:25:21in a country that is really in the center of
00:25:24Africa, that's the Central African
00:25:27Republic. And that was the beginning of my
00:25:31diplomatic service. And there
00:25:35was a president there that perhaps some of you heard
00:25:38his name, he was called Bokassa,
00:25:41who eliminated his political
00:25:44rivals, and some claim he also ate
00:25:48them afterwards. That's uh, but since
00:25:52I was his friend, I got out of it
00:26:03in Kenya, and that was much more
00:26:07turbulent. There was President Kenyatta, the famous one,
00:26:10who fought against the English. A very beautiful country,
00:26:14and we traveled a lot there, a country of
00:26:17safari, and a country with
00:26:20strategic opportunities for
00:26:23Israel, since it's near
00:26:26the Red Sea. Afterwards, I returned home
00:26:30and was fortunate to work
00:26:32with the great Abba Eban. Abba Eban was
00:26:36truly the most Foreign Ministry
00:26:39there is, the most Foreign Ministry. Truly my
00:26:42teacher and mentor, from him I learned to speak a bit. I
00:26:45hope it worked out for us. He succeeded. He succeeded.
00:26:49Yes, he succeeded in teaching me. Yes,
00:26:52definitely. And from there we went to Washington,
00:26:56where we were for seven years
00:26:58in Washington during a historic
00:27:02period. Of Camp David, the making
00:27:05of peace with Egypt,
00:27:08and generally Washington, I
00:27:11know it as the capital of the world. I was
00:27:14there during the time of four presidents.
00:27:18Imagine so much time. I arrived,
00:27:21Nixon was president. Two
00:27:24weeks later, Ford became
00:27:27president. Four years later, Carter became
00:27:30president. And a year before that.
00:28:03That's that's a type of hierarchy in countries. First they send the
00:28:07ambassadors to Africa, and then they bring them
00:28:10to Europe, and then as a bonus they arrive in Washington. Look,
00:28:13in my time at the Foreign Ministry, that's how it was. You started
00:28:17at the so-called bottom,
00:28:20and that was during the time we were developing
00:28:24relations with Africa. We had
00:28:2728 embassies
00:28:30in Africa in the
00:28:33years. And it was customary to send young diplomats to Africa.
00:28:36Now, since I know
00:28:40French, they sent me
00:28:42to a country that speaks French, more or
00:28:46less. And then
00:28:50I moved to an English-speaking country,
00:28:53and only after that did I start going to more
00:28:56interesting places. And in the end, as you said
00:29:00earlier, I was also in Rome and also
00:29:04in Paris, as the song says, I was in Paris and also
00:29:14I served. Later on,
00:29:18I was also a non-resident ambassador to several
00:29:21countries. You mentioned Albania,
00:29:25there was also Malta. During the time when Albania was
00:29:28closed, it was exactly after
00:29:31Albania stopped being communist, and it
00:29:35was the poorest country in Europe.
00:29:39And it was something, there was a
00:29:42dictator there, Enver Hoxha, as he was
00:29:46called, who
00:29:49ordered all Albanians
00:29:53to prepare for an invasion from Yugoslavia. He was
00:29:56indeed a communist regime,
00:29:59and Tito was communist in Yugoslavia. But they were
00:30:03enemies, and every citizen
00:30:06received an order to build a bunker in their
00:30:10yard. And I remember when I arrived
00:30:13in Albania, it was as if I had arrived
00:30:15on the moon. It looked like domes, domes, domes of
00:30:18bunkers, a bunker every 10
00:30:20meters.
00:30:26Who here feels they love their bank? To hate it is a difficult
00:30:30feeling, they just take your money. Wow, no reason, it can
00:30:33be zero, not three shekels, not nine shekels,
00:30:37zero for a passing traveler. If it doesn't
00:30:40go my way, it's the highway. Okay, I am
00:30:44aware of that and I blame myself for that. To say I want zero, I want
00:30:48zero, they don't give it easily. The competition
00:30:51in banks starts
00:30:52now.
00:30:56Hey sisters, there's no plot, a blue and
00:30:59white vacation will be amazing. It will
00:32:59so well built, that it was
00:33:01very difficult and very expensive to dismantle it, so it
00:33:05remained, to this day, I don't know, I was there
00:33:08about 30 years ago, maybe today
00:33:11they've advanced, today Albania has advanced, it's also a good
00:33:15friend of Israel, but then it was really very
00:33:18frightening, because it was the most most cruel
00:33:22communist regime
00:35:31those who return to the places they
00:35:34came from, for example from Rodica
00:35:37who, the lady comes from Romania and does
00:35:41a doctorate in chemistry, and probably checks, not chemistry.
00:35:45What about biochemistry? And also in biochemistry? In biochemistry, that's what's
00:35:49called the relationship between biology and chemistry.
00:35:52Are there chemical relationships, is there chemistry between people
00:35:56in the Foreign Ministry? Absolutely,
00:35:58after all, diplomacy, that's exactly it. So I correct
00:36:02you that you are returning to the place you came from
00:36:05as an ambassador. In fact, we are here
00:36:08three people who experienced this
00:36:11experience, Blinish and I.
00:36:15Yaakov Livneh, and this is a unique
00:36:18experience. I returned to Romania
00:36:21in 2003,
00:36:23when we left, I left as a child, I was 6 years old.
00:36:27in 1963 and we left almost without
00:36:31a voice, and I returned
00:36:34representing the State of Israel, so first
00:36:38of all, for me and for Ami who was still alive then
00:36:42and joined us, the family, this
00:36:45was a special pride, to return
00:36:48with my head held high after that in fact,
00:36:52how old were you when you came to Israel? Six, so that means you remember
00:36:56Romania? I remembered Romania, where are you
00:36:59from? Bucharest? Bucharest, yes. And the closing
00:37:02of my circle was that the
00:37:05ambassador's residence where we lived, one of my sons is also here,
00:37:09and he also experienced it,
00:37:12it was about half a kilometer from the house where I was born
00:37:16in fact. That means that you really returned
00:37:18home, I really returned
00:37:20home. You didn't return as a Romanian, you're
00:37:24Israeli. Right, absolutely right. It helped
00:37:28me a lot and on the other hand it confused the Romanians from time
00:37:51the audience in Israel loves Romanian stories, every evening of Romanian
00:37:55stories, boom, the audience comes. So it
00:37:58helped a lot to open doors, and in fact,
00:38:02if we really want to understand what an
00:38:05ambassador does. The role of an ambassador is to open
00:38:08doors, the role of an ambassador is to address
00:38:11audiences, uh, to find
00:38:14young audiences, to find, to identify
00:38:17the... next generations of leaders in all
00:38:21sorts of ways, that is to say, not only political leaders,
00:38:24also economic leaders, also cultural
00:38:27leaders, also
00:38:31א וזה לא לא תמיד קל ולא תמיד
00:38:34פשוט, אבל זה תמיד מאתגר ותמיד מאוד מעניין. פנטסטי,
00:38:38וינה, גם את חוזרת
00:38:40הביתה מה שנקרא, אבל אני בטוח שהשגרות לא הייתה
00:38:44ליד גונדר, היא הייתה בטח במרכז
00:38:47ובמערכת המרכזית, ואת באה לשמה
00:38:50כישראלית, הפעם זה משהו אחר,
00:38:54איך מקבלים אותך שם?
00:38:57הסיפור? שלי היה סיפור מאוד
00:38:59מעניין,
00:39:04תמיד אמרו או שאני שגרירת אתיופיה
00:39:07בישראל או שגרירת ישראל באתיופיה, אף אחד
00:39:11לא כאילו עד לקראת הסוף כל הזמן
00:39:14התבלבלו, אני דוברת המערית, אני מכירה את התרבות,
00:39:17אני מכירה את השפה,
00:39:21השגרי רודיס אבባ,
00:39:24בצם למה גם באדיס אבባ.
00:39:27גרתי לא רחוק מהשגרירות שלנו עכשיו כל
00:39:31בוקר הייתי עוברת דרך הבית
00:39:35שגדלתי בוא הייתי בו הרבה זמן
00:39:37סיפור
00:39:42לפעם הראשונה שקרה באתיופיה
00:39:45לאתיופים מישהו שנולד שם
00:39:48וחזר כשגריר כשהגשתי את כתב המנה
00:39:52נשיא אתיופי אמר לי הגשמת לי
00:39:55חלום איזה חלום'. שבתי לך, הוא אומר
00:39:59לי, מגיעים, רופאים,
00:40:02מגיעים, כולם מגיעים, כל ה...
00:40:05אתה, מקצועות מגיעים, אבל
00:40:08שגריר שהגיש כתב האמנה ודיבר איתי
00:40:11באמהרית, לא קרה במדינה, וזה הכי
00:40:14מעניין, אז באמת קיבלו אותי, אני
00:40:18הסתובבתי בשוק פעם, איזה בחור
00:40:21רץ אחריי,
00:40:25השומרי ראש שלי כמעט ייפו אותו. להראות לי את התמונה
00:40:28שלי בטלפון שלו, עד כדי כך היה מלא
00:40:32פרסומים על ההגעה שלי, וזה מאוד עינן
00:40:36אותם, איך בכל זאת בחורה שנולדה
00:40:39בכפר, תארו לעצמכם עכשיו שאני חושבת שאני
00:40:42יושבת עם אנשים מכובדים האלה,
00:40:46אני זוכרת אחורה והולכת לכפר שנולדתי
00:40:49בו, שרזתי בלי
00:40:53נעליים, בגדים קרועים,
00:40:56והגעתי. בארץ, למדתי שפה
00:40:59חדשה, תרבות חדשה, ובכל זאת להגיע
00:41:03הכיש שגרירה, בכמה היית כשהגעת לאתיופיה
00:41:06כשגרירה, 42, אני
00:41:09חושבת, צעירה, הייתי גם צעירה, זה גם
00:41:12אנשים כמה פעמים שאלו אותי איפה השגרירה שלכם, אני
00:41:16אומרת שזה אני אני השגרירה, מה פתאום הביאו את
00:41:20הילדה הזאת, כאילו
00:41:29שואלים אותי, איך זה יכול להיות? המדינה
00:41:32הגדולה, ישראל נחשבת, אחד מהמדינות
00:41:35הגדולות בעולם, איך המדינה הגדולה
00:41:38שהלכה,
00:41:51את חוזרת הביתה לאתיופיה, את חוזרת הביתה
00:41:54לרומניה, ואחד הדברים ש,
00:41:58שמעון פרס אמר באחד האירועים הגדולים, והיינו
00:42:01חברים, והוא אמר: יוסי אלפי יהיה שגריר
00:42:05ישראל בעירא, הוא יהיה השגריר הראשון שלנו
00:42:09בעיראק. וואלה, אני התרגשתי, אמרתי, שמעון,
00:42:12מתי זה הולך לקרות, חכה, יש זמן, יש
00:42:15זמן, באיזה שהוא שלב, חשבתי טוב,
00:42:18בסדר, הנה, סדם חוסין הלך, ושמעון פרס עדיין
00:42:22פה, אני אפגש איתו, קבעו לי פגישה ב-6
00:42:25בבוקר, שש בבוקר בשביל בן אדם שעובד בלילה,
00:43:02אתה רוצה שאני אכנס לעניינים הוא אומר לי תחכה זה יקח
00:43:06זמן וזה זה הוא כבר לא פה.
00:43:10סדם חוסן גם לא פה, ועיראק עוד מעט גם כן לא פה, ולך
00:43:13תדע מה יהיה פה כשאני פעם מגיע להיות שגריר ישראל
00:43:17בעירק. זה לא הולך כל כך קל, את יודעת, ואני שואל
00:43:21אותך יוסי, יוסי, אתה סופר ואתה מקבל
00:43:24פרסים מאוד מאוד מכובדים, זה לא צחוק,
00:43:28ואיך חי בן אדם שבעצם רוצה לספר את
00:43:31נפשו החוצה ולא לדבר
00:43:34דיפלומטית, באמת, להוציא את הקישקס ולשים
00:43:38את הכל על הנייר. ולשים דם ויזע
00:43:41ודמעות על על מה שנקרא ספרות ואתה
00:43:45מקבל פרס זה לא צחוק אפילו
00:43:57אדם לפני שאני עונה אני רוצה להגיד לך שיש קסם במה
00:44:01שדיברתים עכשיו שאדם חוזר הביתה אה
00:44:04אתיופיה רומניה ברית המועצות לשעבר כמעט
00:44:07עיראק הקסם הזה כמעט. גם בנו במשפחה שלנו, משום
00:44:11שהחלום של אבא שלי היה שאני אהיה השגיר הראשון
00:44:15יוסי באפגניסתן,
00:44:18קהילה קטנה, ציורית, רגע,
00:44:47intellectuals,
00:44:51and it's not always easy and not always
00:44:55simple, but it's always challenging and always very interesting. Fantastic,
00:44:57Vina, you also return
00:45:01home, so to speak, but I'm sure the embassy wasn't
00:45:05near Gondar, it was probably in the central
00:45:09and in the main system, and you came there
00:45:12as an Israeli, this time it's something else,
00:45:15how do they receive you there?
00:45:18My story was a very
00:45:22interesting story, they always said either I'm the ambassador of
00:45:25Ethiopia in Israel or the ambassador of
00:45:29Israel in Ethiopia, no one really until near
00:45:32the end they always got confused, I speak
00:45:36Amharic, I know the culture,
00:46:13to me you made my dream come true, what dream.
00:46:16I built for you, he says to me,
00:46:20doctors come, everyone comes,
00:46:23all the... you, professions
00:46:26come, but an ambassador who presented
00:46:30credentials and spoke to me in Amharic, it never happened
00:47:53is considered, one of the greatest
00:47:57country
00:48:38גם נספח תרבות בלונדון, אבל
00:48:42שגרירים לא היו סופרים
00:48:45לדעתי, כמו שאני זוכר, אני
00:48:48עכשיו מגיע אליך, דן אוריין ואומר אתה גם. גם
00:48:52כן סופר ואיך הדברים האלה מסתדרים, איך
00:48:56מסתדר סופר עם
00:48:58דיפלומט?
00:51:38טוב, האמת שאני לא ממש סופר, רק ספר אחד קטן וגם ספר
00:51:42ילדים, לא משהו רציני כזה כמו של יוסי, אבל הרעיון
00:51:46הוא שתמיד אם אתה מצליח לחבר את מה שאתה אוהב
00:51:49לעשות עם המקום שאתה הולך אליו ולראות את הדברים. חשובים
00:51:52להם, אז אתה יכול לעשות עם זה
00:52:39להיות אלוף העולם בהתעמלות וזה גם לא קרה, אז עשיתי פשרה
00:52:43והלכתי למשרד החוץ, אתה משרת במשרד החוץ הרבה מאוד
00:52:46from '91,
00:52:49from '91, that's 102,
00:52:5134, wow, 34
00:53:05works out again when you find the right place, you can connect
00:53:08almost anything you love to the place you go to if you manage to do it
00:53:12in things that are meaningful to them. What is the country that interested
00:53:16you most during your ambassadorship? In every way, you're not allowed to say because I don't want
00:53:28that the most significant experience for me was in North Macedonia, I was a mobile
00:53:31ambassador to North Macedonia, by the way, a mobile ambassador is an ambassador who doesn't have an ambassador.
00:53:35who goes around with a small suitcase and is always passing through
00:53:39duty-free, and basically everything he does
00:53:42he does with a tiny local team, but
00:53:45mainly with a lot of support from Israel, and there we did
00:53:49really very very significant things, but again
00:53:52within when the idea is to connect what you do with
00:53:56what is important to them, so I found a children's book, I made a connection there with
00:54:00an American organization, after all, it was a country that was
00:54:02in its early stages, so what happens?
00:54:19Look, we know the exact numbers,
00:54:22they were expelled and then murdered in Treblinka
00:54:26and the idea was that in Israel and in other places almost certainly there
00:54:29almost no one knew their story and part of the effort was to think how do you
00:54:33take this terrible story and make sure they hear about it
00:54:37and know it and want to be part of this story.
00:54:40For example, we held an innovation competition to tell the
00:54:43Jewish story. When I came up with this idea to the guy
00:54:47who led it, Azrieli College with Michael Mizrahi, he
00:54:51told me I wanted to throw you out the window, but you are an ambassador. So I said,
00:54:54come, tell me what you want. And I suggested to him: Let's do an innovation
00:54:58competition, because everyone wants Israeli innovation, to tell the Jewish
00:55:01story. It became the biggest innovation competition that was in the Balkans
00:55:05at that time, 120 young people came from all over the Balkans and from the United
00:55:09States and from Israel, to look for solutions on how to tell the
00:55:12Jewish story in innovative ways. The former
00:55:15Minister of Science and later President of Brillian
00:55:18came, he was the chief judge we brought and 20 entities that came
00:55:22to provide guidance there, and 20 young people
00:55:25out of the 120 won and came to Israel for a Startup Nation
00:55:28tour, to show what they did, the idea was to look for how
00:55:32to tell this story, so therefore always with... if you manage to make this
00:55:36small connection between what you love and what is important to you with what
00:55:39is important to them then you can really be, I think
00:55:43a better description is that a good matchmaker for an ambassador is
00:55:46a matchmaker, he finds the things that are important to both sides and if he is also
00:55:50enthusiastic then he