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00:00:17but that doesn't mean there isn't activity behind the scenes where every
00:00:21actor tries to pull in their desired direction, war or
00:00:24agreement. Syrian President Ahmed Dashara al-Julani was
00:00:28on his way to Israel for special missions in which our panel member,
00:00:31Marco Moreno, was also involved. We will expand
00:00:34on this shortly. This week, he was expelled from a disgraceful
00:00:38event of thousands in New York. Soon, Stephanie,
00:00:42an activist from the Jewish community, who documented the event and tells
00:00:45us about the anti-Semitic mayor who endangers
00:00:49the Jews there, will be with us. Also politics with us: who else talks about
00:01:00The Gulf states, the Gulf states and several other
00:01:03Arab countries are trying to reach some interesting alliances
00:01:07whose headline is alliances against
00:01:14but today the Emiratis were attacked by a oil
00:01:17tanker in the Strait of Hormuz, meaning nothing
00:01:21is over, this battle continues, the waters continue
00:01:24to be turbulent. Now, look, in the last 24 hours, something really
00:01:27interesting is happening, as Saudi
00:01:30Arabia, which already has a defense alliance with Pakistan since last September, before
00:01:33the war, ah, is actually
00:01:36also bringing in Turkish President Erdogan and Pakistani Prime Minister
00:01:40Sharif, and they are declaring a triple defense alliance. They
00:01:43call it the Mecca Agreement. This was in Jeddah, also in this
00:01:47area, the idea is to give it a religious touch
00:01:50in the Mecca Agreement. Yes, ah, the idea
00:01:54is actually to create some kind of defense umbrella. Now, let's remember, Pakistan is a
00:01:57nuclear country, and the Saudis have the economy and oil, and Turkey has its
00:02:01military industries. Now, the story is
00:02:09the Pakistanis, this is not directed against anyone. But in the end, in the end,
00:02:13Hila, there is no doubt that the timing is not accidental in light
00:02:15of the escalation with Iran between the United States and
00:02:22adjustments, to close ranks, and in this context, this should be seen.
00:02:26Now, on the face of it, this is an alliance of countries.
00:02:32But Turkey and Pakistan, in our
00:02:35context, I would say
00:02:42themselves, and they don't love a strong Iran.
00:02:46of interests here, there is
00:02:53and its proxies who recently attacked
00:02:56the Gulf states and also the Saudis, with an emphasis on the proxies.
00:03:00So I don't think we will see the
00:03:14of reactions, they don't like it, they tell
00:03:16the Saudis, it will be interesting to see where
00:03:20this goes. There is no doubt that for now, for now, it's mainly
00:03:23on the declarative level. I think the Saudis are looking for every
00:03:27way to elevate themselves with something. Some kind of affiliation,
00:03:31and the Pakistanis with their nuclear weapons, and in the next edition, you'll bring us about
00:03:34a very interesting
00:03:58approaches.
00:04:00Some say this and some say that, and some want this, and interests here, interests
00:04:04there, but where do we go from here? No one knows. But
00:04:08tell us what's happening now in America.
00:04:11Yes, so the main headline from the last few hours was
00:04:15a CNN report according to which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
00:04:18meaning the American Chief of Staff, General Dan Kaine,
00:04:22spoke with senior officials in the American government in recent weeks,
00:04:25including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Vice
00:04:28President Jay Dinse and other officials, and he
00:04:31essentially told them that he thinks the United States has reached
00:04:35a point where it needs to find a way out of the war with
00:04:38Iran because, according to security officials
00:04:41in the United States, the fear is that the United States will get further bogged down in the Iranian
00:04:45quagmire. Now, he says this in contrast to the position of the American
00:04:49Central Command, which supported a broad
00:04:51attack by Trump at the end of July, meaning about a week and
00:04:55a half ago, on Iran. According to this report, General Kaine also eventually
00:04:58succeeded in preventing this attack, again, contrary to the opinion of the American
00:05:02Central Command, and also contrary to Israel's opinion, according
00:05:06to this report. On the other hand, we see that President Trump continues
00:05:09to say, "I am sure that the Strait of Hormuz will open soon. And if it does not
00:05:13open, then we will strike Iran a heavy blow." Meaning, the threats from
00:05:17the highest official in the American administration continue, but on the other hand, we also see
00:05:20a disagreement coming from the highest ranking person in the American
00:05:24military. All this is happening while
00:05:27Iran and Oman continue to say that they are succeeding in getting closer
00:05:31to full agreements towards the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, but the Iranians are flexing
00:05:34their muscles as usual. They say, "Even if we reach
00:05:38agreements with Oman, that doesn't mean that tomorrow morning the Strait is going
00:05:41to open. We demand that first of all, the Americans fulfill
00:05:45their obligations," so claim the Iranians, "remove their
00:05:48blockade on the Iranian ports, and also
00:05:51compensate us with money for the recent attacks that occurred
00:05:54in the last month. Only then will we agree to open the Strait,
00:05:58and even then, at least the entry route to the Persian Gulf, according
00:06:01to the emerging agreement, will be under Iran's control." Meaning, this is a different situation from what
00:06:05it was before the war began, when traffic flowed freely there.
00:06:09Let's also say that we are hearing reports in the last 24 hours from various companies that
00:06:13are following what is happening in the Persian Gulf, that there are fewer and fewer Iranian ships, Iranian oil
00:06:17tankers that are able to leave
00:06:36CENTCOM commander, much more
00:06:39more hawkish, one could say, but there is also a political
00:06:42angle to every general, what can you do, it's like with us, it's not, it doesn't go
00:06:46separately, there are worldviews, there are philosophies, there is
00:06:50the, the military does not go without politics anywhere,
00:06:58Hormuz, in the end, we really have a hard time with all the jumble of information
00:07:02and leaks, and briefings from or not
00:07:05from understanding what is happening, but we must say the following, given
00:07:09that the emerging agreement is as described,
00:07:12this is a magnificent American capitulation, I find it hard to see
00:07:15this happening, if it happens, I think it is very serious for several
00:07:19reasons, firstly, the Americans put all their prestige on this issue, they cannot
00:07:23reach a situation where at the end of a war the Iranians emerge with the upper
00:07:27hand, and in a much better situation than they were before the war,
00:07:30first time, second time, although Hormuz is not really
00:07:34our concern, we are more worried about the nuclear issue, and rightly so,
00:07:37but if this is indeed the case, that the Iranians receive money
00:07:41for every passage of a tanker, or whatever it is there, that means
00:07:44that we are leaving the regime not only intact, we are
00:07:47also providing it with income to recover, and this can
00:07:51spread to the proxies. Now, what we
00:07:54have learned in the recent period with the Americans and everything that is happening around this
00:07:58issue is that we usually put the cart before the horse, and we say, "Here
00:08:01is the attack in a few more hours," and then the opposite, and the opposite, and therefore
00:08:05we will wait, but from what point, what
00:08:09in the end, but most importantly, we say this, in my opinion, it's news.
00:08:12In the program, always remember, citizens of Israel, more
00:08:15important is who stands at the head of the State of Israel, not
00:08:19an American president, because in the end, in these turbulent international waters,
00:08:23you need to know how to navigate and you need to know how to adapt yourself.
00:08:27And global interests are changing, they are not always aligned
00:08:30with Israeli interests, and you also succeeded in
00:08:32this, something
00:08:38In 1987, Trump, at his own expense, paid 94,000
00:08:43shekels to publish an ad in three newspapers about how, during
00:08:46the tanker crisis between Iraq and Iran, he thought
00:08:49that the Americans, who were securing the Strait of Hormuz, should charge money for it.
00:08:53The Americans. A man
00:08:55who in 1987, 1987, publishes an ad
00:08:59at his own expense in these newspapers about the Strait of Hormuz
00:09:02as a businessman who asks why the Americans don't charge money for the Strait of Hormuz, for
00:09:06their protection, I don't think he will give up such a
00:09:09strait, very interesting from the past, that.
00:09:42There are different approaches, because everyone truly sees it their own way, but on the other hand, we also
00:09:46need to remember that America is kind of post-traumatic from the issue
00:09:50of endless wars like in the story of
00:09:53Afghanistan. So there was really the story
00:09:56of the sudden attack, and then
00:09:59when they entered Iran, they got more entangled.
00:10:03But I think that in the end, and Benny brought someone, an old
00:10:07businessman, he remains a businessman
00:10:14else, America, to come out
00:10:18is, he conducts himself in
00:10:27still don't know how to exit, Trump is still at a loss. Now, what happened this week
00:10:31with Saudi Arabia, the war was supposed to end differently,
00:10:34with the Saudis saying, "Here are the Americans and Israelis protecting
00:10:37us, let's make an agreement,
00:10:40some kind of defense alliance." They went to a completely different defense alliance with Pakistan
00:10:44that they had before, and with Turkey, which is also a NATO member, we need to remember
00:10:48that, and this is instead of agreements with Israel, we need
00:10:51to remember that.
00:11:06The triple agreement is actually an additional security certificate for
00:11:10Saudi Arabia, seeing American
00:11:12hesitation, and actually what is at stake here are not only tactical
00:11:16questions of timing before the World Cup, after the World Cup, before the elections, and if Dan Kaine
00:11:20is right or the CENTCOM commander is right, how to do it militarily, that is a meta-
00:11:24strategic question. Because if, God forbid, the United States
00:11:27fails to achieve both of these goals, repeatedly returning
00:11:31to Trump, both in Hormuz and in the nuclear issue, it means
00:11:35opening the door to a space for Chinese influence through
00:11:38Pakistan, it means the loss
00:11:41of the ability to build trust among the Gulf states, and this
00:11:45will effectively be a milestone in the withdrawal of the United States
00:11:49from the Gulf for years. This will be a process that cannot be stopped, and therefore I
00:11:52think, just like Penina, that it won't happen. Good,
00:11:56friends, tonight on the Saturday news, a chilling and extraordinary
00:11:59documentation of the wholesale civilian slaughter that is taking place even
00:12:03now in Iran, and the world, as always, is silent.
00:12:06Here's a short clip from the report that we'll broadcast after
00:12:09eight.
00:12:15In the film, countless testimonies smuggled from Iran,
00:12:19the likes of which the world has never seen, and perhaps prefers
00:12:22not to see. But not only testimonies.
00:14:02No demonstrations, nothing, nothing. They
00:14:04murder them, their citizens, why? Because they dare
00:14:08to oppose and protest. They are not criminals, they are not thieves,
00:14:11they murder them, they shoot a bullet between their eyes. There are insane
00:14:15testimonies, and the world, by the way,
00:14:18Qatar also told me, does not want these things to be published. It has
00:14:22actions. It's just that. It's quiet today,
00:14:25forget all the big politics, Trump, this, agreements,
00:14:29people, people are murdered in cold blood, and the world's
00:14:33hypocrites and freedom fighters and enlightened ones
00:14:36are silent and say nothing. Yes, we will come
00:14:39soon, I think in all of modern history, since there has been television, and certainly
00:14:43since there has been the internet and so on, there is no single example of a violent
00:14:46dictatorial regime that committed even much less
00:14:49than these acts, and that remained in power for long. Meaning,
00:14:52this is what we see in the report. This is
00:14:55a fraction of what we will see, and this is a clear indicator that this
00:14:59regime will not continue for many more years. It made two
00:15:02mistakes that are not made: one, this, and two, it
00:15:06tried to touch the forbidden fruit of nuclear weapons. No Middle Eastern country
00:15:09that tried to touch, no ruler did not say so, not Saddam Hussein,
00:15:13not Hafez al-Assad, succeeded in holding on when he tried to touch
00:15:16nuclear weapons, and certainly tried to kill, to kill
00:15:28slaughtering them, and in the end he was removed. Penina, no, I
00:15:32mean, you need to take your report and translate it into all possible
00:15:42needs. Hypocrisy is rampant, and today I'm a bit into
00:15:46public diplomacy. Hypocrisy in the world is rampant. There is one thing we need
00:15:49to talk about: Israel and genocide and Free Palestine,
00:15:53and everything else doesn't matter. And these are intelligent people, these are people who can
00:15:57develop some sense of criticism, and they don't care. The serious
00:16:01problem, Hila, and I say this in front
00:16:03of the cameras, is that there are people among us, among us,
00:16:07who provide materials to harm the State
00:16:11of Israel. Today we are facing the European Union with all
00:16:14sorts of decisions, all the materials for sanctions, all
00:16:18the materials are given to them in Judea and Samaria concerning specific
00:16:21people. The materials are given to them by people who consider
00:16:24themselves liberals who want to protect human
00:16:28rights, Israeli Jews whom we sometimes see
00:16:31on screen who give them the materials, and when
00:16:35people from within us come and give these
00:16:38materials, they, it's fuel for
00:16:42the fire, it's fuel for the fire. And if there's one thing we need to work on,
00:16:45Israeli society, it's to look these people in the eye
00:16:49and tell them, "Enough, you will destroy the Israeli economy, agreements will be cancelled
00:16:53here, you are harming us and our children." All
00:16:57those who try to prettify themselves in the mirror, it's not to prettify themselves,
00:17:01some get a lot of money, don't be confused, don't
00:17:04be confused, people don't work for free here.
00:17:07The Iranian regime is a murderous
00:17:15yes, there are people among us who commit terrorism
00:17:18in the territories, and they are the ones who are working to destroy
00:17:21Israel. Well, why do I have to talk about them? They are
00:17:25the terrorists, they are blamed, not whoever says there are terrorists, there are no
00:17:28terrorists, there are terrorists, there are no terrorists, but don't you
00:17:32think that responsibility is required, certainly with people who want
00:17:36and are allowed to be public representatives? We have a discussion about this
00:17:38later. How did we get
00:17:42from the murderousness of a terrorist regime,
00:17:46an Iranian terrorist regime, to Jewish terrorism? This is exactly
00:17:49the point.
00:18:09days of lies, campaigns, propaganda,
00:18:12propagandists, lies, most pretend to be what they are not,
00:18:31is from the right
00:19:03for yourselves. Whoever becomes a sought-after interviewee and gets a hug like this.
00:19:30Last week he said that in the debate between
00:19:33Yair Golan and Lasry,
00:19:35right?
00:19:45This is not a personal matter regarding X or Y. This is about what
00:19:49is the goal of a person who establishes a party when he knows there is no chance
00:19:53of passing the electoral threshold? Does he want to shackle the right or shackle
00:19:57the left? That is the question. Not for nothing do people establish parties.
00:20:00People are establishing small parties here now, and every moment
00:20:04new parties are being established as we speak. These are people
00:20:08who want to place pins in various
00:20:11places, so their approach is clear. Yes, this is
00:20:15also, on the one hand, people who act
00:20:18out of ego. I haven't seen such an example
00:20:21on the right. This is also people who
00:20:25want to say, "Say things explicitly, don't do them." So I think Haredim established
00:20:38know, because of the exposure and all the events of October 7th,
00:20:42parents who are in mourning, such and such, who
00:20:45perhaps some of them are confused by the public attention.
00:20:49I.
00:21:28I think we are confused about this because I think we really
00:21:31need to look at things properly.
00:21:34These people who put forward new party lists
00:21:37ultimately aspire to represent us, both from the left
00:21:40and the right, it doesn't matter. I think there should be a set of skills
00:21:44that people should have, and not just this
00:21:47fact.
00:21:50Is enough, unfortunately, again I say, unfortunately there is no discussion about
00:21:52ideology, exactly, there is almost no discussion about anything
00:21:56ideological. Soon we will have Dr. Einat Wilf with us, she
00:22:00founded a party, she talks about ideology, like it
00:22:03or not, she talks about ideology, there is almost no, everything
00:22:12her, oh no, I will ask her, she said clearly, she stated her views
00:22:16clearly, and leaves it to you to decide if she is left or right, each one in relation to her.
00:22:36That we conquered in the last war, that we purified in the last
00:22:39war, this is a statement that I resent, but I respect such a
00:22:42statement. Let's compete on arguments, content,
00:22:45and path. Anyone who comes and tells how he will now establish
00:22:49a party, I truly
00:22:53think it's a waste of time, and I want to say one thing, I believe
00:22:56very, very much in the wisdom of this nation. People
00:23:00are not stupid. We have intuitions, and also in the spirit
00:23:08proof of what Moses described
00:23:11here so beautifully is that in the State of
00:23:15Israel, minus minus does not always lead to a plus, and where can we see this, sir?
00:23:19Minus minus is.
00:24:05The new,
00:24:15I remembered the things he said there in the square.
00:24:18"His strength to his people."
00:24:23That's a strong name, the Oz
00:24:26party.
00:24:32state. You absolutely believed that a Palestinian
00:24:36state should be established here. Does the dream still remain or not remain?
00:24:39Not only does it not remain, but the
00:24:42understanding is that all this discourse is a discourse
00:24:46of Jews, meaning:
00:24:50it's a discourse where we argue among ourselves, he's
00:24:53for it, he's against it, we waste valuable political,
00:24:56social, and diplomatic capital on it,
00:24:59when there's no result, and actually all the capital
00:25:03we waste on this futile discussion is
00:25:07truly not something we need. And today I phrase it
00:25:10much more simply: the day
00:25:13when the Arabs, in Gaza, in the Judea
00:25:16and Samaria territories, the day when they know how to formulate
00:25:20a positive vision for themselves, is the day we will reach a settlement, because
00:25:24their tragedy, and mainly as a result of ours
00:25:27and many in the world, is that they are all organized,
00:25:31virtually without exception, organized
00:25:34around a vision not to build
00:25:37for themselves, but to primarily destroy
00:25:41what the Jews have built. Clearly, amazing, that we shouldn't be
00:25:44here, both from the river to the sea, and that there shouldn't be a state
00:25:48for Jews. This is unfortunately the biggest
00:25:51slap in the face. I also believed and thought
00:25:54that this was something that you would wish for. After all, who doesn't
00:25:58wish for a good life, for children, for grandchildren,
00:26:01to live in peace. Not to live constantly under terrorist
00:26:05attacks and so on. And then in the end, the awakening is very
00:26:08painful, but there are people who refuse to face
00:26:11reality. It's like people who
00:26:14gain weight, so they stop weighing themselves. They don't want to face
00:26:18reality and the numbers. This is metaphors from the world
00:26:21of returns.
00:26:23Yes, no, people don't look in the mirror, they don't say, "That's it, that was
00:26:26reality." I thought, this is very accurate what you're saying, we talk
00:26:30among ourselves.
00:26:34And they are either this way or that way or otherwise. Tell me, how, so
00:26:38which party, if you could connect with, you know it's hard to pass
00:26:42the electoral threshold alone, right, you need at least 150,000 votes.
00:26:46Which party would you theoretically join
00:26:48today, assuming it was, if it was
00:26:51possible for you, from the political
00:26:53map?
00:26:55So what I would like to do, and I am working on it right now, is
00:26:59to create a kind of federation, an alliance
00:27:02of new parties that essentially come to challenge the existing
00:27:06thinking. I believe that after what happened on October
00:27:097th, we cannot remain with the same
00:27:12thinking, not about peace, not about war, not about
00:27:15the Palestinians, not about our attitude towards the world, not about the rise
00:27:19of anti-Zionism in the West. We need a completely
00:27:22different understanding of the challenges we face, and what I
00:27:26seek to find, because the electoral threshold is indeed high, and there
00:27:29is also a kind of cartel that tries to prevent
00:27:33the entry of new forces, is to see if it is possible to join with new
00:27:36people who bring independent, different
00:27:39thinking, and together with them break the cartel and pass
00:27:43the electoral threshold. Yes, but nevertheless, people
00:27:46eventually coalesced around big parties. People
00:27:49will say, "These are very dramatic elections, I cannot afford
00:27:53to waste my vote, this is not a boutique,
00:27:56now you choose this item or a restaurant, you choose this
00:28:00item, in the end I'll hold my nose, swallow
00:28:03and go with this one or with that one or with the other because
00:28:07it's too decisive." So I ask you theoretically,
00:28:10if you don't succeed in forming this federation,
00:28:13with whom among the parties would you feel comfortable
00:28:17now?
00:28:23to bring, I prefer new thinking, and also
00:28:27I promised all those who support me, if I reach the crucial moment
00:28:30and I see that there is not enough support that will allow
00:28:34me to comfortably pass the electoral threshold, I will act
00:28:37responsibly and not waste votes.
00:28:40I regret that there is still a kind of deadlock
00:28:44around yes or no to Netanyahu, this bloc or another bloc. I came to bring
00:28:48something else. There is no talk of ideology, it doesn't matter, everything is very personal,
00:28:52everything is very personal. Tell me, Doctor
00:29:00attacked from where you came from
00:29:02because you changed your approach or because many people
00:29:05woke up from this dream, the dream and its shattering?
00:29:09Ah, all in all, my process happened after the collapse
00:29:13of Camp David and the period of the Second Intifada.
00:29:16It's clear that what I discovered is that after October 7th, many more
00:29:20people were willing to listen to what I had to say, because after
00:29:23all, I came with harsh messages, I came with messages that say that there is
00:29:27no difference between Gaza and Ramallah, there is no difference between
00:29:30Hamas and Fatah. In terms of the goal that they are all
00:29:34united in the ultimate goal that Jews will not have a state, they
00:29:38may differ from each other in their means, but there is no
00:29:40difference in the goal. And after October 7th, it's clear
00:29:44that more people, because the reality was so horrific, were
00:29:48also willing to listen to messages that are harsher.
00:29:57I think it's complete disregard for reality, disregard in that
00:30:0022 Arab countries, including the Palestinians,
00:30:0425 times approved the Arab Peace Initiative which calls for two
00:30:07states. Disregard for the fact that Abu Mazen was elected on a two-state platform
00:30:11and continues to say it all the time. Disregard for the fact that all the polls, all the polls
00:30:15in the Palestinian Authority, including in Gaza, especially in Gaza, show
00:30:18that the public mostly supports the two-state solution, and disregard for the fact
00:30:22that we, even in Gaza, where we entered with
00:30:26slippers, we never, you can
00:30:29interrupt, I know the tour is strong, so you want to interrupt.
00:31:05Olmert, I think he underwent a humiliating ordeal
00:31:09in the way they investigated him and put him in prison. It hurt me
00:31:12at the time, I saw their persecution of him.
00:31:16Along with that, it doesn't allow him to trash the State
00:31:19of Israel under every green tree
00:31:23when they interview him as a former prime minister, and I
00:31:26really don't want to ask him that. And I've seen many
00:31:30times that politicians are often right. Many times I
00:31:33can say that someone who trashes the country
00:31:37No, I think he expresses criticism. To finish
00:31:39my words, thank you. I hope you allow me. And besides,
00:31:43whoever wants to get some
00:31:46legitimacy slanders the State of Israel. Anyone who is attacked and wants
00:31:50to get legitimacy, or some kind of sexual harassment victim, says
00:31:54this, goes to demonstrate like this, they are supported. Anyone
00:31:57who thinks, does this only because he wants to get
00:32:00legitimacy
00:32:01and this,
00:32:05that forced us to think differently, the failure
00:32:07of these days. I'll tell you what, what's the only thing that bothers me, is that in terms
00:32:11of agenda, the head of your party first of all doesn't say things. In a way,
00:32:15clear, in none of the places, not
00:32:18clear enough, that he came out with things to the end, by the way, and also
00:32:21what he says is very hard to believe him, because if I see that he is not, let's say he
00:32:25committed to torture, that he will put her in, now he suddenly canceled
00:32:29this thing instantly, why did he put her down at the time, but now it doesn't serve
00:32:32him, so come on, get out, go your way, this behavior
00:32:36is despicable behavior that I cannot trust anything you say, simply cannot,
00:32:40good, short, short, a trip of a Palestinian state that I remember, I know what
00:32:44to tell you, a trip. No, no, no, no, we are not, he is not, he does not represent the party, he also
00:32:47does not say that he represents the party, his party no, he is not here on the panel, he
00:32:51is on the panel, he is not, he is not if he was in a realistic place, he could not be
00:32:55on the panel, this is not someone who needs to bring a small one as an assistant, his
00:32:59argument is very, very weak and we will be avenged, he
00:33:03is the destruction of the argument, I want to say something about Mrs. Wilf,
00:33:06who is a brilliant person, I was with her, I am telling you a disclosure, you were in the same
00:33:10party ever, in the Labor Party, she moved
00:33:13to the right and says very clearly.
00:33:17All the in-depth studies show that the public moved to the right, and I
00:33:20think that if despite that, many disguise
00:33:24themselves as right-wingers now, well, and if the disguises there
00:33:28is the pool of votes, if these disguises and fragmentation
00:33:31of party fragments will eventually lead to a situation where a people
00:33:34who are on the right, in the center- right, will enthrone
00:33:37a government that will go for solutions of this kind, this will be
00:33:41a terrible tragedy of the system of okay, thank you this week.
00:33:45A chapter of "Enemies" was broadcast about the Syrian president Ahmed Dashar
00:33:48Julani, it turns out that our panel member, Marco Moreno,
00:33:52whom we knew his involvement in the north and in Syria was fascinating,
00:33:55but we didn't know that he almost brought Al-Julani to Israel. Here
00:33:58is the clip, whoever worked with me then
00:34:02in 504, he says we received a strange
00:34:05request from Julani, the leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, wants
00:34:09his sister to be treated
00:34:10in Israel.
00:34:15Israel, the infidels, the Jews, in Rambam Hospital, which brings up
00:34:19infidel Jews, are not supposed to exist at all as a sovereign
00:34:22entity. At the time, I remind you, wounded Syrians
00:34:25are treated in Israel, not only wounded, it
00:34:29expanded also to the sick, and he wants
00:34:32it, and they are debating what to do, in the end they decide, you know what, come on, why
00:34:35not, let's understand who this is, they announce, one condition, don't come with a suicide
00:34:39belt, and he didn't agree,
00:34:43at the time, the person who. With other types of suits, so
00:34:47he went with explosive suits, because if he gets caught, my soul will die,
00:34:50whoever catches him and so on.
00:34:54Moreno, what did you, how didn't
00:34:58השנים האלה, תגיד לי, למה לא אתה לא עייינת
00:35:02בסדרה? לא, לא פנו
00:35:04אליי, שלהם, אין אני יודע למה, אבל זה לא חשוב
00:35:08project, which I really had
00:35:11the pleasure and honor to establish and command this
00:35:15effort, had a secret slot that was not
00:35:18discussed, this opened up, this slot was very
00:35:21fascinating, and it is supposed to be secret, but it
00:35:31for an interesting story that is, that is actually
00:35:34related to the days we are in today, even against
00:35:37Iran, before the story, with the rest, commanders
00:35:40from Global Jihad, from Nusra's group,
00:35:43approached us.
00:35:58global at this stage, from what argument, we will take you to the 80s
00:36:01when Hezbollah was still small, imagine that he comes to us and what it can
00:36:05produce, and the Chief of Staff was Benny Gantz, all the figures were
00:36:08present, Gadi Eizenkot was Deputy Chief of Staff, Ya'ir Golan was Commander of the Northern Command,
00:36:12but the Chief of Staff asked that we pass it on to the political
00:36:16it to the Minister of Defense and the Prime Minister. The Minister of Defense was
00:36:19Boogie and the Prime Minister was Netanyahu. When we presented it,
00:36:22Netanyahu asked me, can this be secret? I told
00:36:25him no, because it. Otherwise, he said, I don't approve, I
00:36:29asked him why? He said: Because we are committed here to the Americans,
00:36:33we cannot maintain such a relationship, a kind of official
00:36:37relationship with entities that were somehow connected
00:36:41before the Syrian issue. At the time,
00:36:43I didn't understand it, I was very frustrated. Of course he was right, we were wrong because this
00:36:47thing did not develop. And this indicates the wisdom of
00:36:51leadership that looks at the overall picture, and this
00:36:54is exactly the tension between a military security level, which was also very
00:36:58good at explaining it, but he made the decision, now
00:37:01let's go to Julani, to Syria, that was by the way
00:37:04Friday, this whole event was in the afternoon, we were exactly in Ramat Gan and
00:37:08contact was made, and I got to talk to him a few times, with
00:37:12Julani, yes, he sent him a fax
00:37:14now,
00:37:16and in the end, in the end we decided not to bring him or he backed
00:37:20down from it, I don't remember so much, because of the suicide belt,
00:37:24because we were very concerned about the safety of our forces, who did he want to bring to the hospital?
00:37:57He was, by the way, very emotional during the conversation, it was evident that this situation was
00:38:01very difficult, look, he understood that he was talking to senior intelligence
00:38:04officers, from the world of agent activation, he understood exactly what was involved,
00:38:08and this is wow, what a scene, Moreno, this is not simple, I felt the
00:38:11excitement in his voice, but in the end, he received,
00:38:15in my opinion, he received, we made a decision, in my opinion,
00:38:18again I say this, I thought about it on the way to the studio, it saved his
00:38:22career, but he did not want to come without a suicide belt,
00:38:26what a story, all the.
00:38:57Yes, these two who worked in the Mossad are briefing against the new
00:39:01head of the Mossad, Gofman, about the removal of two senior officials
00:39:04there. As in any story, it can be presented in several ways,
00:39:08dismissal or rebuilding anew, as every new head of the Mossad
00:39:12does. It depends on who is briefing, it depends on who you ask, it depends on
00:39:15which former officials you ask.
00:39:18I also happen to talk to former officials. They criticized
00:39:22sharply the way things were presented and the way things were displayed.
00:39:25Yes, it was said ah, I think
00:39:30that both
00:39:34from friends and from what I hear
00:39:38it was very difficult to accept the romance at first, in the end someone comes from outside
00:39:41and as time passes he is very, very much appreciated, they support
00:39:45him a lot, they understand his way of thinking and it is going very, very well in the Mossad. I think
00:39:49specifically here about the matter of two
00:39:52guys who devised a plan. They were
00:39:55senior officials. The plan failed. I don't think this is a briefing, there is a matter of
00:39:59in the end, not only, not only are they responsible for the plan, it's not because
00:40:03of the plan,
00:40:05this is what I'm saying, in the end a head of the Mossad comes, he does a new plan, a rebuilding
00:40:08for the Mossad, and what he does, he says, these two guys are currently
00:40:12in some kind of cognitive dissonance regarding their plan, we need to bring new
00:40:16minds, to activate the minds from scratch, to do and make a new
00:40:20decision where to go, it's impossible that the same people who made some decision,
00:40:23by the way, even if the plan was successful, to promote them or move
00:40:26them to another place. We need to bring new blood to create
00:40:29plans.
00:40:31This is for their own sake or for the sake of the phenomenon, I didn't even go into the essence
00:40:35of every new head of the Mossad
00:40:39who arrives and appoints a new team. One
00:40:41closed units, one closed and opened new units.
00:40:45One hundred and forty people left the Mossad. It all depends
00:40:49on how the story is told. It is clear that Gofman has
00:40:52some such people from outside who are
00:40:56like there are. who challenge him all the time. Now you
00:41:00cannot deal with such publications. I think, however,
00:41:03that the background before gave them a convenient ground
00:41:07to come and start spreading this poison,
00:41:10not former officials who did not advance. The advantage,
00:41:14the advantage of appointing a head of the Mossad, as in Gofman's
00:41:18case, who did not grow up in the ranks of the Mossad, is exactly this event, that he
00:41:21is not obligated to anyone. We know organizational politics
00:41:25both in the army and in the Mossad and in the Shabak. This is the first statement, the second statement,
00:41:29I have heard for a long time, by the way, I and then know
00:41:32this, that there is a claim against the Mossad that they did not mature this plan,
00:41:36that there is a claim that this was imposed on them and they did not do it, we always supported the.
00:41:48conveyed a message to the organization that he is not satisfied with this and he moves people
00:41:52from their positions because that's how it's done when you don't fulfill your
00:41:55mission according to the perception of the head of the Mossad and that's all fine, I don't understand the
00:41:59drama, but but that
00:42:01event was not televised, it's possible that if the war had continued it
00:42:05would have matured, that event was not disconnected
00:42:08from the other things. I heard that they didn't prepare it as, but I don't want to get into that, it doesn't matter,
00:42:12it's within the authority of the head of the Mossad, I know that this head
00:42:15of the Mossad is shaking up the organization as needed, preparing it for its
00:42:19next challenges, and rightly so, I think that any manager who managed something big in life knows
00:42:23to say that you had a goal, you didn't succeed
00:42:25in the first attempt, you want to continue to stick to that goal, you try
00:42:29a different way, with different tools, with different thinking, with different people, an absolute
00:42:33prerogative of the head of the Mossad, and whoever criticizes him for it, among other things,
00:42:37are those who warn in advance that if he... he will do all sorts
00:42:41of wrong things, they will fire him once they take office, and they will control
00:42:44the next government. Come on, gentlemen, he did something here that is a managerial,
00:42:48command, correct move, it's a shame that it comes out with some kind
00:42:51of stain from the critics,
00:42:54a stain towards the. No, no, it's not a stain, everyone understands the
00:42:58politicization of, you want to comment? I yes, I think
00:43:01that the head of the Mossad and the head of the Shin Bet is something that should not
00:43:04be acceptable even for the media to receive such briefings, in the end it
00:43:08important organizations that
00:43:12their lecture, yes, but you know if there was something very specific
00:43:15and that, but to come, what are briefings, it's to come and say how
00:43:19bad he is, I do have friends there
00:43:22who say that there is a lot of appreciation for him, open
00:43:25appreciation that he is doing great things, but there will always be those lovers
00:43:29not for the security forces, we are still at war, we
00:43:32are a country surrounded by enemies, what is this thing lately that suddenly
00:43:36everyone comes out and starts talking about the head of the Mossad and the head of the Shin Bet.
00:43:45Maybe I'll take what Benny said, that there were
00:43:48people, heads of departments
00:43:51who prepared a plan, it failed and they
00:43:54were fired. I ask if the plan, it wasn't some small plan, it was a big
00:43:58war, there were involved, there was involved here a cabinet, there was involved here a prime minister, maybe again
00:44:02they didn't enlighten him, I don't know, I
00:44:05take it not tomorrow and you not tomorrow and you don't know, so I
00:44:09will tell you.
00:44:25All this description of how it came out, after all,
00:44:28let's not get confused, think about Israel's amazing
00:44:32opening strike, truly guys, what's the deal, what could
00:44:35we have done, 40 people in eight minutes or in two
00:44:39minutes or in. Only
00:44:46failure
00:44:49is an orphan and success has many fathers, you know
00:44:52that failure is an orphan, ask Danny
00:44:54Yatom
00:44:57I tell you how they dare at all about
00:45:00such a thing that people of the world of sadness, it was said that there would be an
00:45:04attack on the entire Iranian leadership, we caught him
00:45:07on the stairs, which we didn't know until today.
00:45:11So not everything will succeed, I understand that all the rest in the country
00:45:15are successful, cannons, everything they did
00:45:18in politics and journalism, and everyone is a champion
00:45:21and a cannon, and only these and these, enough
00:45:24already, really, enough already, really, it's disgusting,
00:45:28instead of leveraging the achievements,
00:45:31being proud, and the whole world stands in awe of the achievements of the State
00:45:34of Israel, the internal wars here
00:45:37and the hatred, because it comes from the direction.
00:46:10harmed, brought, stole the
00:46:14Iranian nuclear project and brought it to Israel, the Israeli Mossad
00:46:18brought it to Israel, it didn't
00:46:20eliminate the project, but it paralyzed it for several years,
00:46:23also excuse me, it didn't
00:46:27harm, what harmed us? Listen,
00:46:30also when Israel inserted all sorts of worms called Esther into the project, it harmed
00:46:34us, it harmed them, and also now, we also harmed
00:46:37them now, but we were also harmed.
00:47:09We have a country here and if you think about what we did in Operation Lion's Roar,
00:47:1240 people in eight seconds, it was half a year after we lost
00:47:16in the 12 days, we did another move of and all
00:47:19this with zero, thank God, zero casualties.
00:48:33From New York, we are joined by Stephanie Ben Simon, an activist
00:48:36in the Jewish community in New York who attended this event
00:48:40and also filmed and also made sure to tell
00:48:43Mondaire what she thinks of him, hello
00:48:45Stephanie.
00:48:47good morning
00:48:49Tell me Hebrew and English?
00:48:59so it was the national new york police department night out,
00:49:02every precinct had affair for
00:49:06the communities, and momdani showed up at statin island,
00:49:09new york, they are all big trump supporters over there and
00:49:13momdani was not welcomed, he attempted to deliver his
00:49:16remarks and he was booted off
00:49:19under a minute by the Italian sattin island commit.
00:49:52has raised serious concerns among many Jewish New Yorkers as
00:49:55myself. I walk around loud and proud with my
00:49:59maggen David, but it's
00:50:02um, it's very bad right now, because all he's talking about is Israel
00:50:06and genocide, and people feel
00:50:09comfortable acting upon that, because the mayor agrees with
00:50:12that. He's had mahmoud Khalil in gracey
00:50:15mansion, one of his employees wears a cafia, and
00:50:19he didn't have event for a Jewish heritage month.
00:50:55Yeah, he has no business being there, he does not love this country, he does not
00:50:59love the city, he is an islamist, he is a
00:51:02jihadist, he is a communist, he is socialist, he does not
00:51:05love the American citizens, he has no business being there,
00:51:09we will be there, me, my friend Raul Rivera, Scott
00:51:13Lavedo, many advocates, we will be there
00:51:16to stand respectfully with the family, and he will be
00:51:19boot out of there as well, he should not,
00:51:52of uh out of Israel, I think we're about 10% of the New York
00:51:56City population and we all do not
00:51:59support him, is that the trend in America against Jewish and
00:52:03again against the Jews and again? Jewish, Jews and
00:52:06Israel, he's not doing anything to combat anti-semitism, not at
00:52:10all. I don't feel safe having my children walk around the
00:52:13streets,
00:52:16there's constant anti-semitism in front of my home, in the neighborhoods,
00:52:20Jews are being harassed on the trains, walking in the streets, I've been
00:52:23called so many times, baby killer,
00:52:26genocide, go back and to the ovens and nazi should
00:52:30have finished you, I'm the granddaughter of holocaust survivors, do you know how that
00:52:34feels? living over here, it's, i was just in
00:52:38Israel two weeks ago and i felt safe being in Israel,
00:52:41here i don't feel safe, aren't you afraid, aren't
00:52:44don't you have second i'm afraid, but i i i
00:52:48walk around the street with protection on me, that's how you have to be as a jew right
00:52:52now, you feel unsafe, and do
00:52:55thank the NYPD, but um, everyone feels
00:52:59just freely calling out jews and yelling at them in the
00:53:02street, throwing off the keypotes of um,
00:53:05jewish
00:53:07men uh what about the stabbing that was in the upper west side two
00:53:11weeks ago, that crazy lunatic that came out and stabbed an Asian man and a
00:53:15Jewish man, yes they're just free about doing it,
00:53:19so um, I'm not leaving New York, I'm staying over here, I'm
00:53:22a loud and proud American and Israeli citizen, I'm staying
00:53:26here and I'm not going to um, hopefully President Trump will
00:53:30step in and Bruce Blakeman will win as governor, but
00:53:33I'm not leaving, I'm born here.
00:53:45Israel
00:53:52it's not a matter, they are persecuted, but there is a process now against
00:53:55Mondaire, a very difficult process, not only of Jews, it's a movement,
00:53:58yes, it's easy for the body to identify a disease,
00:54:02when the germ is very, very prominent, and what is happening in the United States.
00:54:10All this energy that comes from the socialist-communist
00:54:13camp, and many of them are also Muslims,
00:54:17that comes out in the form of figures that are on the verge of grotesque with very, very
00:54:20extreme statements, very, very infuriating one after
00:54:23another, this can create a counter-movement in a pushback, okay,
00:54:27although there was a disappointment in Michigan, but Nikar, you know what, what did he come, you know
00:54:31by how many did he win in percentages, ah, by one and a half less than.
00:54:44Yes, there was a very serious outburst by Trump against him, but really,
00:54:47you know, I looked at it, so what are you talking about stopping Netanyahu? It is clear
00:54:51that this man is talking to very
00:54:54specific entities, he doesn't see New York, he doesn't see the residents of New York, it
00:54:58doesn't interest him, someone helped him get to Power
00:55:02Tower and that's what interests him right now, yes.
00:55:05First of all, antisemitism must be fought, it doesn't matter where it comes from and what
00:55:09it is now. To say about a third of New York Jews
00:55:12a disgrace, I wouldn't say, I what is important to me, we
00:55:16will see more and more phenomena in the world of people who saw what happened
00:55:20in Gaza, see what is happening in the territories and are forming
00:55:23a meeting. I am not referring to Mondaire, they are forming
00:55:25a very critical meeting towards the State of Israel
00:55:29and we also need to change policy because if
00:55:33this policy is not maintained. You, you
00:55:36simply continue, bring
00:55:39facts, bring facts, not now, bring
00:55:43facts and numbers, not
00:55:44campaigns,
00:55:50I am not a poll, this is not a fact with all due respect, so what is a fact?
00:55:53That they are elected, that the lobby that worked
00:55:56against them, that you tell me, that the State
00:55:59of Israel, tell me who chose them on October 7th, the State
00:56:02of Israel chose, no.
00:57:05among New York Jews who supported Mondaire, a 50% drop, these
00:57:08are facts. Why is there a drop? Wait, I'll explain something small to you. Why is there
00:57:12a drop? Because whoever believes whoever believes Mondaire that he
00:57:15speaks truthfully and he wants to.
01:00:26speaking out loud about the issue of immigration, both closing
01:00:29its eyes and being ashamed to be portrayed as illiberal. Those who led
01:00:33a vocal opposition to waves of immigration and the price society
01:00:36pays, were perceived as dark, extremist, and publicly
01:00:40condemned. Chancellor Merkel opened Germany's
01:00:43gates, and thereby all of Europe became committed. Now there is almost
01:00:46an agreement. That the experiment failed. From the point of view of the reservoirs
01:00:50that took over, the experiment actually succeeded. It is clear that among
01:00:53the immigrants there are those who adapted, who pursued education, livelihood
01:00:57and more. But there are many, masses who want to.