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00:00:21but no one ruled out the idea itself. Yes, Naira,
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00:01:08with a news report on Reshet B. Our next update at 9,
00:01:11have a good and quiet morning. Goodbye for now.
00:07:20give a summary of what has happened since we saw them sitting together
00:07:24in love, brotherhood, peace, and friendship the day before
00:07:27yesterday evening. That was on Sunday,
00:07:30and honestly, it really is an unprecedented event
00:07:33in the enforcement system. You asked what happened, nothing has happened
00:07:37since then in terms of the fact that there is a disconnect between, even
00:07:41though we saw them together. Uh, the head of the Shin Bet,
00:07:44the police's internal affairs unit, which is also supposed to get involved,
00:07:48in the incident, and what we mostly see are open confrontations,
00:07:51but in practice, nothing is happening in the investigation, and I
00:07:54will explain the background.
00:07:57Uh, currently there is an unprecedented confrontation also
00:08:01within the Shin Bet, between senior officials in the organization and the head of the Shin Bet, Zini.
00:08:04We also published about him extensively. Uh, and also
00:08:07between the internal affairs unit and the head of the Shin Bet, the root
00:08:11of the confrontation is... Zini's desire, at least as he expresses
00:08:14it in internal meetings, to investigate
00:08:17with assistance a series of senior officials in parties, in Arab parties,
00:08:21on suspicion of electoral bribery, without
00:08:24any, except for one of them whom we will get to soon, any indication
00:08:27of their involvement, reasonable suspicion, a certain clue
00:08:31that connects them, apart from perhaps general information that has not yet
00:08:35been presented by the Shin Bet regarding matters related to elections in the Arab community
00:08:38and in general. Zini is interested in conducting a broad investigation
00:08:42with the implications of the integrity of the elections in the Arab community,
00:08:45with investigations of political activists, of Knesset members, of many
00:08:49factors, without presenting to enforcement authorities, at least from what
00:08:52we understand in those meetings, also to people within the Shin Bet and also
00:08:56to the internal affairs unit and in general,
00:08:59what are his indications to proceed with those investigations
00:09:03apart from general complaints and information that exist now. There is a very interesting publication
00:09:06by Avishai Greens of Channel 24 last night about that meeting,
00:09:09and there Zini raises four
00:09:12names. One is that Knesset member
00:09:15about whom there was indeed information two and a half weeks ago
00:09:19that he received funds that allegedly
00:09:22he uses for elections. Allegedly, there is a suspicion that it is money from foreign
00:09:26involvement, and by the way, even our investigations are not clear about the source
00:09:29of the money. At first they thought it was Qatar, it could be the Palestinian Authority, it could be
00:09:33another source, no, no, no, he is still, I
00:09:36still cannot define him as a suspect because he is not yet, but he received money
00:09:40from a foreign entity. What was it for? He
00:09:43received funds from a certain
00:09:47place, and it is believed that the source, meaning the initial source of
00:09:50the money, is a foreign entity. It could be that, what he does with the money, I don't
00:09:54know. The suspicion is, the suspicion is that it is used
00:09:57for elections, okay, meaning either for a campaign or for matters
00:10:00related to transporting voters and things in that area, or even electoral bribery. So why
00:10:04isn't he investigated? Again, the investigation still isn't
00:10:08going anywhere, meaning it's not at this stage yet. Wait, but what is electoral
00:10:11bribery? What does electoral bribery mean? He is a Knesset
00:10:15member already. If this money eventually at the end, this is how you'll see. If this money
00:10:18eventually at the end, electoral bribery is not, this
00:10:22is a term I take from that famous S to Solberg last
00:10:26Thursday, where he wrote this term. But, uh, there are
00:10:29several possibilities: electoral bribery, which is the extreme possibility for which there is
00:10:33currently no evidence on the ground, but it's something they are investigating.
00:10:36It's if this money eventually goes to give some benefit
00:10:40to the voter, whether in cash or in another form.
00:10:44Another option is that it also goes to a campaign. This is also forbidden
00:10:47because there is an issue of election finance laws and also
00:10:51matters related to foreign interference. This is the substantive information
00:10:55that is being investigated. From here all the storm broke out. By the way, I will say parenthetically,
00:10:59between tens of millions of dollars from Qatar and this
00:11:02event there is a great distance. But certainly not even thousands of shekels
00:11:06from the Palestinian Authority, that's very bad. But there's something I don't understand why you're not mentioning it at all.
00:11:10Now,
00:11:12a question. They're talking about four MKs, three
00:11:16of whom, the police claim, Zini wants to investigate
00:11:20them without any information. Their names
00:11:23we published. The one I understand has
00:11:27the most information, that one we are not publishing.
00:11:30Why? Maybe we will publish it in the future, we need to see
00:11:34how, the investigation, currently, currently
00:11:37it is again, currently when it is information, currently when this matter
00:11:40is preliminary information,
00:11:43and it could be, again, it could be that after we progress here with the investigation,
00:11:47his name will also be published or after he is investigated, we will also reach
00:11:49these areas. But regarding the others, again, their name was published in another
00:11:53context. I'm talking about Tibi. Mansour Bass and Sami Abu Shahadeh.
00:11:57Two of them are Knesset members, one is not. Their
00:12:01names come up within the meetings, those
00:12:04internal meetings, by
00:12:07Zini, but there is no
00:12:10information presented, by the way, not even to the Shin Bet personnel themselves.
00:12:14Meaning, it's not some, it's not
00:12:18just a confrontation between the Shin Bet and the internal affairs unit, but also within the Shin Bet itself,
00:12:21between the head of the division and two senior officials there and Zini.
00:12:25There is no indication or suspicion or something
00:12:28in the material that raises the question that Mansour Bass is involved one way or another, but
00:12:32certain general information, let's say, okay, I'm giving it on a theoretical
00:12:36level.
00:12:38For example, things that happened with Ra'am some of which were even investigated,
00:12:41and then we will also demand, within this framework, to investigate
00:12:45Mansour Bass. These are at least expressions that arise in those internal
00:12:48meetings, and here is the root of the confrontation,
00:12:52and also the statement that is then issued publicly.
00:12:59A Member of Knesset certainly requires an investigation by the Shabak, resources, everything we
00:13:03know. It needs reasonable suspicion, it needs certain evidence, it needs something that connects him,
00:13:07and not to embark on some investigation
00:13:10in which political activists
00:13:14and leaders are investigated, without the enforcement authorities
00:13:17even understanding where, where the information is, and whether these are things that we
00:13:21base on various general information or publications.
00:13:25Or things that are random, or on problematic material, as
00:13:29it is known, for example, regarding
00:13:32the money that did pass, and another thing that generally
00:13:36causes many question marks regarding the last few days, and this, in my opinion,
00:13:39is a spirit that goes beyond the boundaries of the enforcement system, perhaps even a political
00:13:43spirit. But in the last three days, nothing
00:13:47has happened in the investigation, apart from the claims about the hands being tied. In fact,
00:13:50on Sunday, Solberg decides together with Zini and the director of the police, and they all
00:13:54sit. Joint that a joint investigation team be established,
00:13:58Shin Bet, police, prosecution together, why? Because there are many
00:14:01criminal aspects in the extent that he is not
00:14:04necessarily the security aspect that the Shin Bet investigates, but since then
00:14:07that team has not been established. The Shin Bet does not transfer the material to the police, there was no
00:14:11even an appeal between the Shin Bet and the police. We know about the Shin Bet itself if
00:14:15it is engaged in an investigation,
00:14:18if it is carrying out, what investigation actions the Shin Bet is carrying out in practice.
00:14:22We are two or three days. It
00:14:26could be that he is carrying out certain
00:14:29investigation actions with his means,
00:14:33but in terms of Solberg's holding, this should come from a joint
00:14:36investigation team together with the police, which has not yet been established. Here we have
00:14:40some lack that is difficult to understand.
00:14:44This also appears eventually also
00:14:46in the official announcements, because eventually a team is supposed to be established here
00:14:49of, uh, not 433 of
00:14:53the Shin Bet, by the way, as in many investigations that also happened in the past,
00:14:56and this is not happening, and in the background, many,
00:15:00many, uh, many claims that we hear from various
00:15:04publications about Zini claiming that his hands are tied, and of course this
00:15:07relates to many other issues, and what is not happening,
00:15:11at least to my understanding, because obviously the police also need to get involved in this
00:15:14matter, information that we see on social media or
00:15:18in publications or things like that about cash
00:15:21envelopes, and apart from the investigations that we know of about
00:15:24those. There is currently no investigation, there is currently certainly not
00:15:28in the police. In the police, there is one case that is not going anywhere, about those
00:15:32cash envelopes that were found in
00:15:34the house of a Ra'am activist who also s. Currently all
00:15:38the suspects except one will be released, and one is supposed to be released today, and that's it, this case is not
00:15:41progressing. So currently from all the claims that we
00:15:45hear, what is supposed to happen, a joint investigation team of the Shin Bet
00:15:49and the police is currently not progressing.
00:15:52The only thing that there is some
00:15:56investigation about is that information that arrived two and a half weeks ago about
00:15:59those hundreds of thousands of shekels that allegedly arrived for the use of the Joint List.
00:16:02Yes, and let's say one more thing, this information
00:16:06did not interfere. And this is also a point that needs to be questioned. These questions
00:16:09did not prevent the head of the Shin Bet from coming and saying on Tuesday, on Election Day, that everything
00:16:13is proceeding normally and the integrity of the elections is preserved in an inspiring way. Explain, explain
00:16:17the possibilities. There are several possibilities. First of all, I
00:16:20will remind you that the Shin Bet, its role, one
00:16:24of its important roles, is to preserve the democratic order of government, and in the context
00:16:27of elections, it is to prevent foreign interference, to thwart it, to thwart any threat to the integrity
00:16:31of the elections. Meaning, if information now came that Qatar or
00:16:35Turkey or there are activists or there is someone trying to harm the elections. The Shin Bet's
00:16:38first and foremost role is to thwart it so that the elections
00:16:41will proceed properly. And the information
00:16:44that reaches Zini, the head of the Shin Bet, and
00:16:47in general, the Shin Bet, two weeks before, is information
00:16:51that they decide to check, to conduct some investigation, still at a covert level,
00:16:55but they do not carry out any thwarting operation, meaning there is
00:16:58no prevention operation here. Why? I can
00:17:02only assume that they did not see it as some threat to the integrity
00:17:05of the elections at a level
00:17:07that requires a thwarting operation now or something that is at such an extreme level, because on
00:17:11Tuesday, on Election Day, Zini says
00:17:14in front of everyone, in front
00:17:17of the microphones, that all the attempts
00:17:21that were made, if any, to harm the integrity of the elections were thwarted,
00:17:25and that from all the information he knows, the elections
00:17:28are being conducted properly, in an inspiring way, when he is already exposed
00:17:32to information. Uh, and therefore
00:17:36I, I can conclude that the information he had
00:17:40on Tuesday, if indeed he said
00:17:43those things, was not at such
00:17:46a level that there is systematic harm
00:17:50to the integrity of the elections, and there has been no, at least according to
00:17:53all the enforcement authorities and sources that we consult with, no dramatic
00:17:57information
00:18:00has emerged, that time will do its work,
00:18:03at least in the sense that we will know more. Yanovsky, thank you very much.
00:18:12States, the country you just returned
00:18:15from. We'll speak as an expert. No, do you feel like it's
00:18:19your elections?
00:18:22It's kind of funny, but not funny, because there are people who, like, come back from two days
00:18:26of this and they're experts at something. You
00:18:28understand? So I, I'll pass on the pleasant opportunity you gave
00:18:32me. Good, uh, Ariel Sander is the campaign
00:18:36manager for the Republican Party in Israel. Hello, good
00:18:40morning to you, good night to us, even though you're good. I would frame
00:18:43it now. Oh, speak, frame it, how would you phrase
00:18:47it? Listen, what, you know, no, Bialik
00:18:50didn't just write about the corruption. I think
00:18:52it
00:18:55perfectly described our feeling here. If
00:18:59you had interviewed me yesterday, my feeling
00:19:02here would have been less in the New York campaign
00:19:06there would have been a completely different feeling. In many
00:19:09states in the United States, the feeling was
00:19:13of a fighting spirit and especially for the seats
00:19:16in the Senate, but a hard
00:19:19blow, a hard blow in the United States,
00:19:23the President, who, for his part, really devoted two years
00:19:27to the benefit of the United States, achieved amazing
00:19:30results, the public in the United States,
00:19:33thinks that something was messed with him.
00:19:37And not in the United States as a result of his conduct also
00:19:41on the Russian- Ukrainian side and of course says this contradicts what
00:19:43Trump says. Trump says this is not me
00:19:47at all, this is not related to me. If my name was on
00:19:50the ballot, it wouldn't be like this. They are voting for them, not
00:19:53for me. So let me explain to you what he is saying, and he is right,
00:19:57so we understand the resolution, because what the President says, the 2024
00:20:00elections were about Trump
00:20:03versus Harris. This time, the
00:20:07president cannot be responsible for every candidate
00:20:10in every state, and some
00:20:13of the votes for some candidates are not
00:20:16about whether Trump did his job in the last two years, yes or no,
00:20:20but who their candidate is, what he gave them in Congress or in the Senate
00:20:23during his time in service. And there are
00:20:27many, many, and again, candidates that the President did not
00:20:30want to see on the lists, but that's completely irrelevant. And that's why he said the sentence
00:20:34that if his name wasn't on the ballot, he would have won
00:20:38it. Ah, and we need to understand that. Therefore, therefore, therefore
00:20:42this statement, but one of the things
00:20:45that should worry us and I hear
00:20:49it even in the Republican campaign
00:20:52headquarters is that Israel
00:20:56may be to blame for some of these failures because
00:21:00of the Iranian issue, and that's not healthy, not healthy for Israel, it's not
00:21:03healthy for Jews here at all, and we need to understand that.
00:21:07Israel is to blame. Israel is to blame. Is that what you say, or is that what
00:21:09Americans say? This is what
00:21:11today, whoever listens
00:21:14in the United States, yes, Israel
00:21:18as a result of the campaign against Iran. Israel is part of it, so
00:21:22Israel, you know, Jews are always found to blame
00:21:25by elements here in the United States, and I
00:21:29hear this slowly and quietly, and it's starting to pick up
00:21:33pace. I hear it also on news
00:21:36channels like CNN and CNBC, and even on Fox News,
00:21:39they're already asking these questions: Is the overly
00:21:43close connection between Iran,
00:21:47Israel, and the United States what created this painful
00:21:50loss? Is that why Trump also issued that statement
00:21:53yesterday about cutting off security aid
00:21:57to Israel? No, I think that this issue of
00:22:01security aid to Israel is one of the most fundamentally important things
00:22:04that Israel needs to do, and that's it. That's
00:22:07essentially, I think, what sits on
00:22:11the American side, who have been saying for several years, "Make America great
00:22:14again." You take care of the United States of America first.
00:22:18All foreign aid.
00:22:20No, but the question is whether Trump says this specifically on Election
00:22:23Day, because he knows that Israel harms
00:22:27him. No, because he knows that one of the things that bothers
00:22:30the majority of potential voters
00:22:34of the Republican Party is the fact
00:22:37that Israel, supposedly, besides everything that happened between
00:22:40the United States and Israel regarding the Iranian issue, also receives four
00:22:44billion dollars a year in security aid, and it could
00:22:47be that this is something that will bring in more. A few voters, which
00:22:51turned out to be yes. There are two issues here. One issue
00:22:55is the aid issue, which is worth a discussion in itself, but perhaps the more disturbing
00:22:59issue than the aid issue, is the understanding
00:23:02that Trump thought that on this day when he is running in the midterm
00:23:06elections, it would be good for Americans to hear his statement.
00:23:09This is disturbing, isn't it? No, it's not a matter
00:23:12of, I think for Trump, it's a matter of bother. There is substance
00:23:16and there is the semantics of politics on election day. Everyone
00:23:20tries to maximize
00:23:24any political gain, and that's what he did. If the political gain passes over
00:23:27our heads, that's the issue.
00:23:30Problem, problem. I wouldn't want to be there, but
00:23:33this attempt to perhaps change the voting pattern among
00:23:37some voters was part of the consideration
00:23:40in essence, and he also says it. He says
00:23:43that Israel today, after three years of crazy
00:23:47and blessed activity, also
00:23:51fiscally, can today turn this from a place
00:23:55of aid to cooperation that is good for both the United
00:23:58States and Israel. No, but that's not what they meant, that's not what
00:24:02Israel meant to happen. No, no,
00:24:04yes, that's what Israel meant to happen. The Prime
00:24:08Minister already spoke about this a year ago. Right. He spoke about a gradual
00:24:12plan over 10 years, meaning ending
00:24:15it. No, but this is a difference, this is night and day
00:24:19between finishing this budget plan until
00:24:222028, and then gradually over 10 years
00:24:25weaning off American aid. Here, according to what we understand, and maybe
00:24:29you can clarify, Trump is talking about a one-time
00:24:32cut. The Israeli system is not built for that.
00:24:35So, then it's not a matter of a one-time cut. He spoke about the end of the year,
00:24:39which of course is not the end of the year. We are talking about the end of the previous
00:24:42aid, which is 28. And that means
00:24:45until 28, American money will continue to arrive
00:24:48here. The American money will continue to arrive
00:24:52as agreed in the old agreement,
00:24:55and within this process, they will already start, there is already
00:24:59a plan that Netanyahu already put with the Americans, and there have already
00:25:03been many discussions about this plan to see
00:25:06how to turn this cooperation into one that is beneficial
00:25:10for both the United States of America and
00:25:14for the State of Israel. You know, but certainly that the agreement
00:25:17continues until 28 and from there.
00:25:21Look, between the President's statement
00:25:23yesterday and our morning today,
00:25:26and until now, everyone I talk
00:25:30to, including people in the American security establishment,
00:25:33says that the intention is not a one-time cut. It's impossible.
00:25:37In the end, there are agreements, and there is also an influx of
00:25:40systems that have already been agreed upon, and this is not something that can be imposed
00:25:44by force. Therefore, the intention is to the end
00:25:47of this agreement that ends.
00:25:5028, but, but more importantly, that Israel
00:25:53really comes with this plan,
00:25:57together with the United States. I tell you here, they welcome
00:26:01this move. Very much so, it will remove a very
00:26:04heavy burden from Israel's neck. Good,
00:26:08just to conclude, if I remember correctly, your previous conversation
00:26:11with us, tonight or
00:26:14tomorrow, the attack in Iran, right? One
00:26:18of the important things that the president was interviewed on Fox
00:26:21News about, regarding this issue, he doesn't rule
00:26:24out at all the Iranian issue. I want to
00:26:28remind all of us that these members who were elected today will be sworn in
00:26:33on January 3rd. That means the president has until January
00:26:373rd to still have both the House of Representatives
00:26:41and the Senate, and he can do what needs to be done
00:26:44in these 60 days to finish. I
00:26:47ask, I ask, we're opening calendars here, when is this going to happen
00:26:50in the shelters? So I, I
00:26:53think that this is not a matter, again, this is
00:26:57not a matter of if, but it is a matter of
00:27:00when, in a
00:27:02military opportunity, and when it happens, it will happen.
00:27:06Let me phrase the question differently. You're in the United States. When is your
00:27:09flight back and with which airline? They told me not
00:27:13to say my arrival time because I either bother
00:27:17people or encourage people. I didn't understand
00:27:20why bother people or encourage people. No, because if I say
00:27:24when I'll return, they'll say, "Oh, he's returning, so it's fine until
00:27:27that day." And if he doesn't return, then it's probably... You really hit the nail on the head
00:27:30with that question.
00:27:33So I, I, we want to leave, we want to leave this interview with
00:27:37insights for the listeners. People paid a lot of money to listen here,
00:27:40they want value. Please, I'll say,
00:27:44listen, Kalman, at the Chabad House, I didn't
00:27:47order the Shabbat meal. My
00:27:51Shabbat dinner is yet another thing. This day, I've been praying all week that
00:27:54because he's flying tomorrow, he'll land on Friday in a way that you don't think it's a matter of
00:27:58days until there's an American attack on Iran. I think
00:28:02it's a matter of days, yes, according to what everyone here is saying,
00:28:05it's a matter of days. It's a matter of operational
00:28:09opportunity. Look, come on,
00:28:11all this crazy blockade in our region
00:28:15is entirely directed and mobilized for this move.
00:28:18All these 48-96 hours that the Pakistanis
00:28:22and Qataris tried to bring another opportunity for a deal, the
00:28:26maximum and minimum of the Iranians and Americans don't meet. It doesn't
00:28:29meet, and Donald Trump wants to remain with a legacy
00:28:33that he finished this campaign called
00:28:36Iran. Okay, wait, but what did you just sketch out the campaign for me? If we've already gotten
00:28:39to this, what is the 12-day format,
00:28:42the format of how many two? How many
00:28:46weeks? Once
00:28:48General Cooper said that even
00:28:52when they say they're going to a three-day war, you never
00:28:55know if it's three days or three months. You only know when you
00:28:59enter this campaign. Yes, good.
00:29:03Wise man Cooper, good. Ariel Sender, thank you very much. Can we
00:29:07go to sleep? What sleep? When are you flying? Come back. It's
00:29:11about to happen. Never mind. Alright, bye.
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00:32:47lowest point, and you forgot that along the way there was
00:32:50also cancer, but it ended with good
00:32:58in the middle of it, here they still sell Coke products.
00:33:01Excuse me, excuse me, what happened? What is nominated? What happened? Are you really asking me what
00:33:05happened? To sell Coke products after
00:33:08our deputy general signed the Coke petition? You just beat me to it before
00:33:12I came to remove his products.
00:33:32A lack of understanding of what's really happening is truly a distortion of
00:33:35the perception. The truth must
00:33:39come out.
00:33:44One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire at our
00:33:48stomachs.
00:33:51They are the head, they are the culprits. There are many culprits in October 7th, I don't
00:33:55think the High Court is one of
00:33:56them.
00:34:00I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
00:34:02stories.
00:34:09I very much hope that the Israeli public will believe
00:34:12the truth and not follow the lie.
00:34:27hello. Hello, hello, good morning. How are
00:34:31you?
00:34:34I know it's excellent, let's say it's exaggerated, but
00:34:37fine. Excellent. It could have been accepted religiously for
00:34:40the long period that preceded it. Yes, ah, yes,
00:34:44yes. I didn't mean to fake it. It was excellent,
00:34:47like that, tired. Given the reality we
00:34:50found ourselves in after
00:34:53October 27th, what
00:34:55reality?
00:34:58You can't, there isn't a clear majority in August
00:35:02to form a government with Zionist
00:35:05parties. You hear terrible
00:35:08and ugly voices about a colossal
00:35:11violation of promises during elections.
00:35:15Suddenly the Conscription Law became
00:35:18some kind of elastic rubber
00:35:21between me and in the eyes of the change bloc
00:35:24and reliance on factors. This hasn't happened yet. It needs
00:35:28to be said. It hasn't happened yet. There's a lot of talk, a lot, but it hasn't
00:35:31happened. Right, right. But, but the very talk, you
00:35:34know, it all starts. Don't think bad thoughts so you don't say them,
00:35:38and don't say them so you don't do them, and they
00:35:42are the change.
00:35:45At the stage of thoughts and talks, and just
00:35:48before the action, I hope it doesn't happen, because
00:35:51what? But you know, today the Haredim are in the coalition. You must have
00:35:54been updated.
00:35:58Listen, Lieberman, Lieberman, the difficulty is terribly simple. Come on, so that
00:36:02things don't sound like we live on some other
00:36:05planet. Whoever is not
00:36:08able to identify
00:36:10with the Israeli Jewish sentiment
00:36:13that... on October 7, 2023,
00:36:17and does not condemn what is clear
00:36:20above it, the monsters, the monsters who committed
00:36:23these terrible acts, and who undermine
00:36:27the existence of the state as a Jewish state and seek to turn it
00:36:31into a general state like that, you know, of
00:36:34everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone. And in the end,
00:36:37by means of a ballot box or casting ballots, this time it's
00:36:4019 mandates with what happened, maybe
00:36:43to reach mandates. So what kind of
00:36:46democracy is that that diseased itself by legal
00:36:50means? I didn't understand, but we talked about the Haredim. We talked about the Haredim.
00:36:54I didn't talk about the Haredim either.
00:38:14Bottom line, he says that his conduct caused
00:38:18severe damage to the public interest in upholding the rule of law,
00:38:21and this is especially by governmental bodies. He is talking about the fact that the Speaker of the Knesset
00:38:25violated a ruling of the court
00:38:29that ordered a re-election for the second round
00:38:33for the election of the State Comptroller. You see,
00:38:37I'll give you a preliminary remark on that, and it's very
00:38:40nice that you read 12 pages, and you, I know
00:38:44you, I know 12
00:38:46pages of a verdict, and you took
00:38:50and you took only that from there, so fine.
00:38:53Now I'm taking from there first.
00:38:57The petition was rejected. There was a petitioner, like many
00:39:01petitioners who turn to the High Court and see the High Court as
00:39:04the Western
00:39:07Wall to which they turn and solve every problem and issue, even
00:39:10when it comes to the powers of
00:39:13important governmental authorities, like the legislative
00:39:16authority, and to transfer it for discussion and decision
00:39:19in the High Court. And the High Court came and accepted our
00:39:23position. The position
00:39:25was that the power
00:39:29of the Speaker of the Knesset to set the date
00:39:32for the re-election in the next Knesset, and so it was.
00:39:35No, no, that's not right. That's not right. Zion,
00:39:3918 Zion, unlike the Tel Aviv derby, in defiance of the High Court,
00:39:43sometimes this wonderful thing happens where both sides
00:39:46get hurt. And here, the petitioner,
00:39:49what am I agreeing to? And here
00:39:53the petitioner, and here the petitioner who wanted to compel Amir Ohana, your client, to hold
00:39:57elections. Today he lost because he didn't get it, as you said. But your
00:40:00client was also accused. The Speaker
00:40:03of the Knesset's prolonged abstention from implementing the ruling, that same
00:40:07ruling that required holding new elections, is tantamount
00:40:10to violating it. The High Court says, the Speaker of the Knesset is violating
00:40:13my ruling. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you,
00:40:17this is a very complex issue, very
00:40:20big. The Israeli public, and our
00:40:23governmental systems, and the authorities are grappling with it.
00:40:27We are in a frontal collision for too long
00:40:30between the authorities. Who has the last word?
00:40:34Is the court entitled and able to intervene in every
00:40:37single matter, in the work of the Knesset in this case, in the decisions
00:40:41of the legislative authority? Remember, among all
00:40:45the authorities, this is the most important
00:40:48authority, because it expresses the
00:40:51will of the people. It is the sovereign, it represents
00:40:54the sovereign.
00:40:57He argues with the court's ruling. Let's just clarify. The court
00:41:01rules that the Speaker of the Knesset violated a court ruling. Let's
00:41:04just agree on that. Look,
00:41:07look, look, what Amir Ohana, the Speaker
00:41:10of the Knesset, said, that the Knesset immediately after
00:41:13that, the vote that was disqualified
00:41:16by the High Court, he said, the Knesset spoke its
00:41:19mind. And he believed that we
00:41:22have a State Comptroller, Michael
00:41:25Rabello, who was elected.
00:41:30This clash between the authorities is nothing new.
00:41:34I'm surprised that this clash hasn't
00:41:37yet reached a crisis of...
00:42:10Ah, but let's go back for a second. Professor Mautner,
00:42:13Professor,
00:42:15Dotan and others, many good people, who spoke about this clash,
00:42:19about the very harsh criticism, about this imperial
00:42:23activism of the Supreme Court, on public
00:42:26and political issues, and sometimes on war and peace,
00:42:30almost reaching that direction, these are difficult things
00:42:34that someone believes that the time has come
00:42:37to sharpen and stand on these
00:42:41in order to restore
00:42:43the proper restraint between each authority, of each
00:42:47authority, but between the authorities, to respect
00:42:50each other's dignity. So it's true that it's a difficult
00:42:53thing, not to obey
00:42:56an order, of a
00:42:59court. But then you, you
00:43:02confirm, then you confirm that the Speaker of the Knesset did not obey
00:43:06the order. I don't know why this is important.
00:43:10Your experience,
00:43:14Zion, it's possible, you can argue
00:43:17that the final say, to argue the position, but not to say that it's not an important discussion. It's an important
00:43:20discussion, a very important discussion, exactly like the important discussion
00:43:24that took place in the mid- 19th century, when Lincoln
00:43:27did not honor a Supreme Court ruling and it concerned, I no longer remember the
00:43:31details.
00:43:34Lieberman of the 19th century dealt with this issue, and the fact
00:43:37is that 100 years later,
00:44:15I'm saying, according to what you say, according to what you say, there's
00:44:19a very, very important event here. That's all. That's why I'm saying, the great Lincoln
00:44:22, the late, a turning point in the history of the important
00:44:26relationship between the legislator and the judge. And I'm telling
00:44:29you, if the court, not only the politicians, not only the government, not only
00:44:33the Knesset, if the court itself does not take
00:44:37itself in this difficult time, in this time of
00:44:40shaping that grew and intensified in my opinion after these elections, and I
00:44:43hope there will be some kind of, I don't know, some kind of unity,
00:44:46not the austerity of
00:44:49the parents, but some connection that will allow for some calm,
00:44:52not a lot, a little calm that will solve us from all the Berserker
00:44:56arguments in the world and all the noisy ones of their kind
00:44:59from Redman and Drew. Leave Redman aside. I want
00:45:03to bring you back to the topic for a moment. As we said, the High Court said
00:45:06that on the one hand, Amir Ohana, the Speaker of the Knesset, violated the High Court's
00:45:10ruling. On the other hand, that ruling cannot be implemented
00:45:14now because the Knesset is changing, and therefore we are stuck in this
00:45:17event, in this place. Now I'm asking you a different question. Let's assume there were no elections
00:45:21now, or that the elected Knesset was exactly
00:45:25the same as the one that left. Would Amir
00:45:27Ohana not have convened the Knesset and not elected
00:45:30a State Comptroller for another four
00:45:32years? No, that's not, that's not.
00:45:36You're asking two separate questions. I only asked one.
00:45:40No, convening, equi-situation is one thing.
00:45:44The political question, when
00:45:47to convene, and if he had convened, no, of course he would have convened,
00:45:51of course he would have convened. He said, he said I'm choosing the
00:45:54timing. So why didn't he convene it now? I'm
00:45:58telling you, because he thought he was duly elected, and he also
00:46:02believed another thing, well, if he thought he was duly elected, why would he convene it in another year
00:46:06or two? Wait, wait, so here, I'll give you an answer, because no, you need to.
00:46:10The Knesset has schedules. What the Supreme Court says,
00:46:13the verdict is before you. I remember, I'm driving, but I
00:46:16still remember. Look at section 18. The High Court says
00:46:19there that the claim that these elections can be held
00:46:23in the new Knesset with the same two
00:46:25candidates is difficult, and he leaves it to the new
00:46:29Knesset. The court says, the law doesn't deal
00:46:32with it. He calls it a precedent-setting and exceptional
00:46:36situation. No one thought of such a reality.
00:46:40So I'll ask another question. Tell me, in the end, he's a politician.
00:46:43Politicians want to win votes.
00:46:47Today he has a Knesset that, or the outgoing
00:46:50Knesset, is a Knesset that is convenient for him to make
00:46:54a decision with whomever he wants. The next Knesset will be
00:46:57certainly less convenient. It takes office in another week.
00:47:01Politically, he's not doing a favor. Good question. You really ask a good
00:47:05question. And what's the answer? Invite
00:47:07the camp to you. No, I'll give you a possible answer. Tell me if
00:47:11it's correct.
00:47:14Was the struggle with the High Court more important to him here
00:47:17than winning the election of whomever he thinks will be the State Comptroller? We
00:47:21not only, not only, no. Not only. Look, look, remember one
00:47:24thing. I'm not now, I'm not speaking through his
00:47:28mouth. I'm not talking now. You asked me
00:47:31as an outside commentator who doesn't know Amir Ohana.
00:47:34The considerations whether
00:47:38to take a stand against the High Court and say,
00:47:42I am the Knesset or the legislative authority is not subject in every
00:47:46matter to the High Court. This is one specific position
00:47:49that it's entirely possible that this is what stood behind it. The
00:47:53second thing, whether to hold the elections according to
00:47:56his authority in the outgoing 25th Knesset or in the next
00:47:59Knesset is a question you don't know the answer to because
00:48:02suppose they go to additional
00:48:05elections. So try to think, are you sure that Rabello would not have
00:48:08been elected? Do you have confidence
00:48:12in the vote?
00:48:14No, so I'm saying you're saying he had a convenient Knesset. Who
00:48:18said? Who said? Who
00:48:21said? In the first round? Remember, there were two rounds. In the first round, no one reached 61,
00:48:25and then by law, another election had to be held, another
00:48:28round. In the additional round with votes, yes,
00:48:32with the ballots, with the pictures of five or six, I don't remember
00:48:35how many, ah, 61 voted
00:48:38for another 60, yes, something like that, yes, 61 to
00:48:4159, 57. Just, just to Zion's question, just to the question
00:48:45of whether it's important or not important, I just want to quote
00:48:48the High Court's ruling on this
00:48:52matter. It states:
00:49:23We don't need a tender to elect
00:49:27an additional Comptroller of State Service.
00:49:30And the court comes and, contrary to what is stated in the law, explicitly
00:49:33uh requires the continuation of this. What's
00:49:36the problem? This is against the law. So what are we saying?
00:49:40That sometimes it's good because that's the interpretation, because the judge wrote
00:49:43it. The second time, when the legislative or executive authority makes
00:49:47a decision that seems wrong or dismisses a person
00:49:50, suddenly it changes completely. 30 people
00:49:54in the government, so you understand, this tectonic clash
00:49:58between the authorities, these are not just empty
00:50:01words. Someone needs to understand that there's
00:50:05something here. By the way, I'll ask you another question. I'll ask you a question.
00:50:09Why, why was the decision given only last night?
00:50:12I received it, I don't know, 8-9 in the evening from the Supreme Court.
00:50:16What was the process yesterday?
00:50:19You'll agree with me yesterday, three.
00:50:24Why was it given after the elections? Why was this decision
00:50:28and the petition filed with the High Court about two
00:50:31months ago, why wasn't the decision given?
00:50:35Give a quick answer because our time is almost up. I don't know.
00:50:39Maybe someone thought it would be better to wait after the elections. Maybe a Knesset
00:50:42will come that will cancel
00:50:45Rabello's election and present new candidates. But
00:50:49the opposite, but the opposite. We started the conversation with the court's
00:50:59ruling until the end. It transfers it to the new Knesset, and in the new
00:51:03Knesset, someone thinks that there might be a majority, a majority of
00:51:06what? The new 67?
00:51:09Yes, but you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm respecting the court.
00:51:13You're not telling me that clearly. The decision, if you weren't
00:51:17respectful, how would you say it?
00:51:20I would say that it's not certain that only...
00:51:37End of the first hour. After the commercials and the news, we'll have
00:51:40the second hour. We'll also deal with the story
00:51:44of Trump's announcement about canceling the American security
00:51:48aid, and also more details about what
00:51:51happened.
00:52:49in a completely insane situation. There wasn't a day when
00:52:53you weren't being shot at. Everyone from the age of 16 received a weapon.
00:52:56Beatings, casualties.
00:53:00What are you willing to do to not give up on friendship? I'm even willing
00:53:04to die.
00:53:06That's how I lived, that only if there's war, there's
00:53:08meaning.
00:53:11I lost my childhood at this
00:53:13age.
00:53:16Our children are growing up in a national mission. The greatest mission of
00:53:19a person in this world is for their children to be happy. Would
00:53:23you raise your
00:54:11I don't understand what I'm seeing, a lack of understanding of what's really happening. This is truly a distortion of
00:54:15the perception. This truth must
00:54:18come out.
00:54:24One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire at our
00:54:27stomachs.
00:54:31They are the head, they are the culprits. There are many culprits in October 7th, I don't.
00:54:39I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
00:54:41stories.
00:54:48I very much hope that the Israeli public will believe
00:54:51the truth and not follow
00:55:13Hello everyone, good morning, it's nine o'clock now. We have a news update.
00:55:17A defeat for the Republican Party in the midterm elections
00:55:21in the United States. The Democrats gained control of both houses of
00:55:24Congress. Nathan Gutman, our correspondent in Washington, we will go
00:55:27with the results until the meaning of them is determined. Yonatan, this
00:55:31is not just a blue wave, it's a blue tsunami. The Democrats
00:55:35conquered the majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The vote count is still
00:55:39ongoing, and the gap may still widen in the coming hours. What's most interesting
00:55:42are the states where Democratic candidates won, states
00:55:46that were considered Republican strongholds, including
00:55:49South Carolina, Iowa, and especially Texas. In this
00:55:52southern state, which is more identified with the Republicans than any other,
00:55:56a Democratic candidate won in the Senate race. A Democratic candidate,