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00:00:00recognizes neither borders nor faith, nor
00:00:02nationality, nothing, absolutely. Now that you
00:00:06ask me about national rhetoric, uh, we all have it
00:00:09in some way, uh, I even think, and I dare to say,
00:00:13every person today in this country, in these cities, feels the
00:00:16need to talk about some kind of national rhetoric once a day. We simply
00:00:20have a legacy, maybe not, I wish it wasn't like that, but if the
00:00:24conversation turns to politics, it will regularly be connected to national
00:00:28rhetoric. We simply have a legacy from the previous
00:00:31period. Don't forget,
00:00:3534 terrible years have passed since the beginning of the conflict, or 31
00:00:39since it ended, but a large
00:00:41number of us, a large number of us still live with certain segments
00:00:45of the story, with that. It's quite normal, considering
00:00:49the wounds that occurred. People suffered, died, were wounded,
00:00:52became disabled on one side, on the other, on the third
00:00:55side. Both the first, second, and third sides have that,
00:00:59they have that... they have their own history, their own views,
00:01:02all sorts of things. It doesn't matter, we would go deep, and it's quite
00:01:06normal in an election year that people, that
00:01:09people will work on it, will work
00:01:13on it. After all, mm, the messages that
00:01:16are sent from both one and the other entity
00:01:20are very often connected to belonging to national
00:01:24rhetoric. I am a politician, I very
00:01:27often openly can talk. "It's just that
00:01:30as a person I'm different. I have
00:01:33no problem expressing my national opinion, but my national opinion, my
00:01:37view, will never trample yours, will never
00:01:40threaten you in any way. It will just be different from yours, that's for sure
00:01:44and it will be constant, lasting, changeable if you manage to convince me that
00:01:48it is, that it is different. Therefore, that won't change. I'll tell you openly
00:01:52that, uh, you think even younger generations
00:01:55of politicians won't eradicate this. Well, you relatively
00:01:59belong to that."
00:02:08a book. I just have to tell you this, the power of geography and
00:02:12the example of Spain as a country. In Spain today, in Catalonia,
00:02:15the Basques and Galicia, you have strong national feelings
00:02:19of those people as belonging to those provinces. You know that they had,
00:02:23you had movements that fought for autonomy, for independence, all that.
00:02:26However, those people are still there in Spain, but they are still...
00:02:30So, Spain, such a developed country of the European Union, but they still have
00:02:33that part of national feeling. Therefore, we are not,
00:02:37we can cite examples of Belgium. Someone from Germany
00:02:40said the other day, "Do you think Baden Baden wouldn't secede from
00:02:44Germany in the morning?" But it has some other connection. Therefore, we need to find some
00:02:47middle ground, we need to find some middle ground that will imply, I
00:02:51have bored myself, I persistently call for some mutual
00:02:54respect. Come on, if we talk completely differently in this
00:02:58studio, let's go out. So that we are not quarreling, so that we don't,
00:03:02God forbid, I won't say hate each other, that's a harsh word, but that we don't tolerate each other.
00:03:06Your opinion to you, my opinion to me. And regarding national
00:03:09rhetoric, no matter how much it differs, believe me, that is the
00:03:12recipe for those younger generations. And if they are
00:03:15conveyed what we are talking about today, let them do it in a more
00:03:19sophisticated, wiser way. Let other areas of life
00:03:22be - more decisive for forming
00:03:26opinions for someone compared to that kind of rhetoric. Now
00:03:29that you mentioned it, it somehow reminded me of your
00:03:32conflicts, which were also covered by the media, with Benjamin
00:03:36Karić, the former mayor. Have
00:03:39you held any meetings with the new mayor
00:03:42of Sarajevo? Of course.
00:03:46I am not running away from anything I
00:03:49said to Mrs. Benjamin. But not a single sentence of mine
00:03:53in any way, uh, does not make me think she
00:03:57is a bad person, that she is evil. She has
00:04:02something that you cannot show me her own, I have my own. Colleague Avdić is very correct, concrete. We met two, three
00:04:06times, agreed on some things together. This election
00:04:09year slowed down that meeting, but we
00:04:12simply have to cooperate and I truly think the best of him.
00:04:16I think the man is doing his job well. Uh, I am sure that in the
00:04:19next two, two and a half years, as long as we have mandates, we will do things that
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00:06:12Bayer... been placing nearly all the blame on the
00:06:16COVID pandemic and the way that the US responded
00:06:19to it squarely with Dr. Fauci, but of course
00:06:23he worked for President Trump. Does President Trump also deserve some of the
00:06:26blame? Well, President Trump, as you
00:06:30recall, forbade do and the lockdowns. I
00:06:34think the the thing that did the most damage to our country
00:06:38was the lockdowns, lockdowns that shut
00:06:40down three. 5 million businesses in our
00:06:44country with no due process, no just compensation, all of our
00:06:47churches closed our schools and our children are still
00:06:51paying the price for that, and yet we had the
00:06:55worst outcome of any country in the world. How
00:06:59so? We have the highest death rate from COVID of any nation on
00:07:02earth. Well, let me just let me just say, because I've heard you say that before on the
00:07:06death rate from COVID, um, it's not accurate
00:07:09because...
00:07:12Public health experts say that there is a combination of
00:07:15factors that went into that, higher rates of chronic illnesses, which I know you
00:07:19would agree with, gaps in our healthcare system and misinformation about
00:07:23vaccines. You just said what I said was inaccurate. What I said was
00:07:27accurate. We have the highest death rate from
00:07:30COVID. There are there are there are other
00:07:33countries that had higher, but
00:07:37about why we had that,
00:07:39but um, you nobody can tell you... "I mean, we have
00:07:43the, as you say, we have the highest chronic disease burden in the
00:07:46world. But Anthony Fauci was mismanaging the
00:07:50COVID pandemic and he was doing it under the Biden
00:07:52administration. President Trump wanted to end the lockdowns
00:07:56and in fact in Anthony
00:07:58Fauci's diaries, he talks about how President Trump is
00:08:02calling him every day trying to get him to reopen the country."
00:08:06Yeah, well, the lockdowns were done by
00:08:09governors. I mean, certainly Anthony Fauci and the President had
00:08:12opinions, but the lockdowns were done by governors and largely because
00:08:16and largely because largely because they were hearing, they
00:08:20were hearing from hospitals saying that their ICUs were
00:08:24overrun and they needed some help while that was happening.
00:08:27That's just not true. You're saying it's not true. No, they were doing it
00:08:31because Anthony Fauci was telling
00:08:34them from the top, "You need to lock down." There were ICUs that were
00:08:38empty all over the country, including in New York at the
00:08:41height. I'm asking you, I'm going to go
00:08:44back to what I asked you at the beginning, which is President
00:08:48Trump, and he was the guy in charge, and he
00:08:52you tweeted back in 2024
00:08:55that he let bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci
00:08:58shut down the entire country.
00:09:01Um, again, he, the president was in charge. The president
00:09:05was trying to reopen the country. When he left, the
00:09:08country was still, was kept closed for another year, almost a year and a
00:09:12half after that. Let's talk about how to
00:09:16prevent the next pandemic, um, because there's a lot of litigating and
00:09:20re-litigating that I don't think is really helpful to do with regard
00:09:23to COVID. And the question is about, uh,
00:09:27so-called gain of function, which, uh, for people who
00:09:31aren't entirely clear about it, it is, it is a
00:09:34highly risky research process that includes
00:09:38manipulating viruses to study how it behaves as it
00:09:41evolves. Now, what scientists say is that although
00:09:44it's controversial, it's necessary to prepare for the
00:09:48next pandemic to get ahead of it to figure out what these
00:09:52viruses can do. Um, what you want to
00:09:55end this gain of function research? Some scientists
00:09:58say, isn't it better just to put better guard rails around
00:10:02it? People have been trying to put guard
00:10:05rails around it for generations and it hasn't worked, and
00:10:09clearly COVID-19 pandemic and other
00:10:13global pandemics that we have have come from gain-of-function
00:10:17research. The RSV
00:10:19epidemic that we have that is the biggest killer of kids in this country
00:10:23today came from these kind of experiments. The Lyme
00:10:27disease almost certainly came from this kind of
00:10:30research. So, um, and the
00:10:34scientists, you say, are experts, are making
00:10:38the argument that this is necessary for pandemic
00:10:40response, cannot point to one instance in
00:10:44history where research that came out of this kind of
00:10:47experimentation has actually provided
00:10:51us something beneficial.
00:10:55Then how do you prepare for the next pandemic? I mean, that's literally part
00:10:59of your job now, because experts think it's going to happen within the
00:11:02next 10 years again. Yeah, I mean, I think we did firstly everything
00:11:06wrong the last time. So, but what about now? The principal thing that we need
00:11:10to do is we need to listen to what's happening to doctors on the
00:11:13ground. There are 15 million frontline physicians
00:11:17around the world. They're mainly now connected through the
00:11:21internet. We can tell on the frontlines what's working and what's
00:11:25not. If we had listened to those doctors during the
00:11:28COVID pandemic, we would have saved potentially millions of
00:11:32lives. There were therapeutics out there that were
00:11:35working. There were doctors that were having no deaths from COVID and
00:11:39treating in some cases thousands of patients and we
00:11:42weren't listening to them, and instead we were doing the
00:11:45opposite, we were shutting them down. And then the other thing that
00:11:49I would say is that, um, we need
00:11:53to protect our constitutional rights. That that is the primary
00:11:56obligation.
00:11:59Well, during COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights.
00:12:03We began censoring people and violations. But
00:12:06I'm, you're you're saying what not to do. I'm asking what to do. Um, but
00:12:10I, but I want to talk about, well, that's something to do. That's that is the number one
00:12:14priority. We protect the Constitution. The
00:12:17Constitution was, forgive me, but you're just you're talking about rights and I'm
00:12:21asking about a potential public health crisis
00:12:25that is that is coming. But I do want to let's, and one of the mistakes
00:12:29we made in the last time was
00:12:31suppressing those rights, so people weren't being heard.
00:12:35Doctors were saying, "You're doing it wrong. We're being
00:12:39marginalized and vilified." And
00:12:41because because again, I really want to move on. But
00:12:45yeah, because you were part of the problem. No, I
00:12:49wasn't. Yeah, there was absolute press
00:12:51malpractice. You weren't doing your job. And
00:12:55your job is fear skepticism
00:12:59toward authority and you weren't doing that. You were
00:13:02beating.
00:13:04Okay, are you going to, you want to sit here and attack me or do you want to have
00:13:08conversations about public health? I'm not attacking you, I'm asking questions
00:13:12about how to prevent the next question. That's what I'm trying to
00:13:16do. But I also don't want to use
00:13:19this interview to allow you to say things that aren't
00:13:23entirely true. You're talking about their... putics, fine. It is also
00:13:26factually true that the COVID vaccine
00:13:29worked. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data
00:13:33upon data upon data. Let's talk about the measles,
00:13:37please, because this is something that is happening as as we
00:13:40speak. The cases protected
00:13:43children? I think that what I have talked
00:13:47to scientists and doctors about, scientists, can you look, can you
00:13:51show me one study? Yes, I can, that shows that I can
00:13:55children were protected by the COVID vaccine. I can tell you that there are
00:13:58that vaccine did more good than harm to children. Can you show me one
00:14:02study that shows that? I can tell you that when it comes to the
00:14:06vaccine, there have been studies that show that because of
00:14:10vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there could have
00:14:13been 100 to 200 thousand lives in the US
00:14:17saved, but because people didn't get the vaccine, that's
00:14:21why. I'm not saying that it entirely, let me finish, you are saying...
00:14:27a single, I am not saying nonsense, you are
00:14:30talking what somebody told you. Excuse
00:14:33me, show me the study. No,
00:14:37what studies are you talking about? You're talking about studies that actually don't
00:14:40exist. I want to talk about, show me the study that you're
00:14:43talking about. Study, cite me the
00:14:46study. This is not productive. I am not here to defend
00:14:50all of the, let me, let me, talking nonsense, making assertions you
00:14:54can't support and then when I call you on it, you're telling me I'm
00:14:57arguing. Um, okay, you want to talk about, you want to talk about assertions that you can't support. I'll
00:15:01get there in a second. Let me just say for the record that
00:15:05I am not saying that the entire way that the COVID, uh, reaction was
00:15:09accurate. It was a scary time and
00:15:12people made mistakes. Absolutely. Let me
00:15:15scaring people. Why are you saying that? Because that was the
00:15:19job of CNN, okay? Was the chyron
00:15:22up how many people? We were trying to, we were
00:15:26listening to the leaders in this country, including
00:15:29the President who had a daily press conference explaining what was going
00:15:33on and trying to listen. Actually, where you
00:15:37read? The measles, the measles cases in the US
00:15:40just reached a 35-year high, the
00:15:43second, uh, record- breaking year in a row.
00:15:4793% of these cases are among the unvaccinated. The
00:15:50outbreak is happening on your watch, and
00:15:53even before becoming HHS Secretary, for
00:15:56years, you have been one of the leading voices questioning
00:16:00the efficacy of vaccines. Do you accept some
00:16:03responsibility for this measles outbreak? Absolutely
00:16:07not. First of all, this is an international
00:16:10outbreak, so and we're doing better at
00:16:13handling it than any country in the world. Mexico
00:16:17has 15 times the amount of measles per capita that we
00:16:20have. Canada has four times the amount of
00:16:23measles. England has two times the amount of measles. Did I
00:16:27cause those measles outbreaks? You're the most famous. I caused
00:16:31137,000 cases. You're the most famous
00:16:34vaccine skeptic on the planet. Let me tell you, because... actually Anthony
00:16:38Fauci in his diaries answers the
00:16:41question about why we're having a measles outbreak right now. The
00:16:44reason we're having a measles outbreak is because of the COVID lockdowns, because
00:16:48people didn't, like children during that period, did not get
00:16:52vaccinated. And in his diaries he says
00:16:55this is going to cause massive outbreaks of measles
00:16:59and more children, he says, this are going to, let me finish, because you
00:17:03accused me of something, now let me, no I didn't. I asked you a question.
00:17:07Yeah, let me give you the answer. He says in his diaries,
00:17:10more children are going to die from measles because of these
00:17:13lockdowns than COVID. So if you want to
00:17:17know, and that age group that should have got the MMR when
00:17:20they were 18 months and didn't get it, they're the ones being
00:17:23infected. The people in this country, and we have stopped
00:17:27the outbreaks at record speed in South Carolina, in Texas, in
00:17:31Utah and Virginia. We've done
00:17:34better than any country in the world. I dispatch immediately the...
00:17:37intelligence services to those states. I get on the phone with the
00:17:41governor and we stop it. Nobody else has been able to do that. You have
00:17:45bully, let me tell you just one last thing. Go
00:17:48ahead. The the communities that are
00:17:51suffering from measles are almost
00:17:54all religious communities that just don't vaccinate. The
00:17:58Mennonites have not vaccinated since 1796 and Edward
00:18:01Jenner invented the smallpox
00:18:04vaccine. It's hard to blame that. You want to
00:18:07blame? No, I don't want to blame you. I'm asking you because you have a very powerful
00:18:11voice on these issues for people who are skeptical. That, let me finish, let me
00:18:15finish. I've never questioned the efficacy of the MMR
00:18:18vaccine. Okay, let me, let me finish. What I want you to
00:18:22do is please use your bully pulpit to, right
00:18:25now, as we're getting close to back to school,
00:18:28say, are you willing to say to parents who have not
00:18:32vaccinated their kids, that they should vaccinate their kids for
00:18:35measles, because it is safe and
00:18:38it will help them save their children's lives? I, we tell people on my
00:18:42websites, my public PR, now that
00:18:45people parents should get their children vaccinated for
00:18:48measles. Measles vaccine is
00:18:51effective. It it stops measles in about
00:18:5497% of the cases. Well, people should get
00:18:57vaccinated. Can I ask you, the Wall Street Journal reported that the President is
00:19:01pressuring you to conduct studies probing the link between
00:19:05vaccines and autism. Is that true? Did you
00:19:08say probing the link, that what, what the
00:19:11Wall, I'm just quoting the Wall Street Journal, that they, that the President
00:19:14wants you to go further to probe the link
00:19:18between autism and vaccines. He certainly
00:19:20does. Okay. Now,
00:19:24have you talked to him about medical research that has studied
00:19:27this for 25 years and found no link between autism and
00:19:31vaccines? And and and just this is my question here,
00:19:34because I don't want to litigate that. My question is, "Why
00:19:38not, because you are HHS Secretary now,
00:19:42why not study what could cause autism, which scientists
00:19:45do believe starts with fetal
00:19:48brain development? Why not do some studies on that, whether there
00:19:52is your environmental lawyer, whether there environmental factors that
00:19:56go into contributing to a predisposed genetic
00:19:59situation? Let me say this first, we're doing all those
00:20:03things and that's one of the ways that we found.
00:20:37and autism. This is the head of the committee of infectious
00:20:41diseases for the American Academy
00:20:43of, let me tell you what the Institute of Medicine
00:20:47says, which is the National Academy of Science,
00:20:50which is the ultimate arbiter on vaccine safety and which it does
00:20:54not have an interest in this debate. It
00:20:57says that none of the eight vaccines that are
00:21:01administered during the first six months of life have
00:21:04ever been studied for relationship to autism. It found
00:21:08two studies, one on the DTP
00:21:10vaccine and showed that it does cause
00:21:14autism and one on the hepatitis B
00:21:17vaccine, that again suggests that it does cause
00:21:20autism. The Institute of Medicine dismissed those two
00:21:23studies because they were based on CDC's database. The
00:21:27studies that you're referring to are all for one vaccine, the
00:21:31MMR vaccine or one ingredient, thimerosal. So you
00:21:35are using, you are actually looking at, you're starting new
00:21:38studies to try to link autism. But you're also telling me, trying to
00:21:42link autism to anything, I'm trying to find out why has
00:21:45autism gone
00:21:46from
00:21:50it interacts with people's DNA, what's predisposed
00:21:54to, uh, to to have an autistic child. Are you doing
00:21:57both? Yeah, but but you probably don't
00:22:00understand this because you're not a scientist, but
00:22:03gen
00:22:06understand genes epidemic, a
00:22:09vulnerability,
00:22:12environmental. That's what I'm asking. Are you studying, looking at all the
00:22:15different environmental exposures? But
00:22:18your statement, you have been fooled. Your statement that
00:22:22this has been studied is not true. It's
00:22:24categorically it is
00:22:27considered considered by who?
00:22:31By every scientist who has studied this. That is not true. I can
00:22:35give you hundreds of scientists who have looked at this. So on the one hand, you
00:22:39do, you understand why people academy of sciences, what greater
00:22:43authority, understand why people are not getting measles vaccines because they're hearing
00:22:47you say that it could cause? I'm not,
00:22:50it's very much related. Show me one of the studies that's been done on
00:22:54the first eight, the vaccines during the first six months of
00:22:57life. You will not find them. The National Academy of
00:23:00Sciences say so. If that's the case, then why are you telling people to get the measles
00:23:04vaccine? Because that is one of the vaccines that has been
00:23:08studied, okay? It's the only one that has been
00:23:12studied. Do you want people to get the the MMR
00:23:16vaccine? Yeah, I said that already. Okay. So I know you're
00:23:19frustrated now. And it is, I don't, I'm not frustrated at
00:23:22all. I'm frustrated. The reason I'm frustrated
00:23:26is because I, you are the HHS, you are
00:23:30the HHS Secretary and you are talking about
00:23:34things that that that lead to vaccine
00:23:37hesitancy in this country, and
00:23:40and it is something that causes
00:23:44problems for people when there is not anything, let me ask you
00:23:47something. Do you see your job
00:23:51as ending vaccine hesitancy, or do you see your job as telling the
00:23:54truth to the American people? I see my job as telling the truth, and the
00:23:58truth is that there is is study
00:24:01after study after study. It's one of the most studied things out there
00:24:05in science. You're repeating it like a parrot. You're repeating
00:24:09it like a parrot. I've actually read the science. Let's
00:24:12you want here and debate this. So you, I'm not debating
00:24:16this video. Of course, you want
00:24:19to do, is repeat things that people told you and say trust the
00:24:23experts. That's what you did during COVID. Now we
00:24:27know that Anthony Fauci, who was the expert, was lying about
00:24:30everything, about masks, about the social distancing, about natural
00:24:34immunity, about the transmission from the vaccine, about
00:24:38the source of COVID, he was lying and you were punishing
00:24:42people for not trusting the experts and now you're rolling out the
00:24:46experts again to talk about something that you have no...
00:24:50personal knowledge of okay, well guess what, that is my
00:24:53job to talk to people, your job
00:24:56is, yes, and my job is to get as much
00:25:00information as i can, and what we were
00:25:02doing, skepticism, what we were
00:25:06doing in COVID and and
00:25:08still with regard to these vaccines is getting the best
00:25:12information, the best science that we can, and putting it out there, and
00:25:15sir, you what you are doing is causing information.
00:25:20to be out there that is not accurate, was lying to you, the
00:25:23National Academy of Sciences, which you just cited in
00:25:25November
00:25:28said, we support the statement that vaccines do not cause
00:25:31autism, this is the National Academy of Sciences that you just
00:25:35talked about, look at the National Academy of
00:25:38Science most recent report, okay, and you'll see, I don't, I, I, I
00:25:42want to ask you one other question, because it's something that really did help Donald
00:25:46Trump get elected, and that is the Maha Movement and specifically the...
00:25:50question of process foods, processed foods
00:25:53and the fact that people want to feel that their
00:25:57food is safe. my understanding is that you're pushing for
00:26:00reforms on food safety? and ultra-processed foods that have been
00:26:04slowed and some cases blocked by people in the
00:26:07administration who are working on behalf of the industry, is that
00:26:10true? no, that is not
00:26:14true. so you feel that you'll be able to get these reforms done without
00:26:17any problems? i think the grass, um, the two big
00:26:21reforms that you're probably talking about is ultra processed food
00:26:24definition. exactly, and the grass standards and they've both gone
00:26:28through extensive interagency process. i'm very confident that.
00:26:32and we will get them both out there within probably a month.
00:26:36well, I'm sorry that this, and that's good news for people who are very
00:26:40moms, um, and I'm one of them who are very worried about making
00:26:44sure that our kids eat food and we eat food that is that is healthy. um,
00:26:48I'm sorry that this turned into a a very contentious
00:26:52conversation, and um, my job
00:26:55is to try to get the best information out there,
00:26:59and it does concern me when you come
00:27:02and say things that have, i take what
00:27:06you're saying, have been dis, yeah, people who have science,
00:27:09scientific backgrounds, um, and who I know have tried to talk
00:27:13to you as well, thank you for coming in.
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