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00:00:00possibility that it is possible,
00:00:03I don't know if it will actually
00:00:06happen. Serbia previously concluded
00:00:09an agreement with an Israeli company regarding
00:00:13drone production,
00:00:15Serbia and Ukraine have but it is certainly a possibility. Ukraine has
00:00:19shown impressive resilience, which is why
00:00:23Serbs, or all Serbs who harbor a certain
00:00:26support for Russia or Vladimir Putin, should
00:00:30reconsider. Russia is a declining state,
00:00:33all it does is send thousands of people, thousands
00:00:36of young Russians to their deaths for a futile goal. It
00:00:40is a country that is falling apart.
00:00:43Ukraine, on the other hand, is a globally recognized
00:00:46leader in drone technology, and that is why it is a
00:00:50strong reason for those in Serbia who still cling to some
00:00:53strange pro-Russian
00:00:57sympathies to change their minds.
00:01:00So, I would not rule out the possibility that this will be one of the topics
00:01:04of discussion, but I don't know if
00:01:06uh for both countries. Cooperation in it is one of the main points on the agenda. Yes, one of the main things
00:01:09in this text phase is a part, or rather
00:01:12an interview with Christopher Hill, the former US
00:01:16ambassador to Serbia, in which he says that he helped, that he
00:01:19played a major role in the relations between Serbia and
00:01:22Ukraine, that he asked the government of Serbia about the ammunition
00:01:26that Ukraine needed, and then that the US started
00:01:30buying that ammunition
00:01:34which Europe is massively and eventually sending it to Ukraine. This therefore represents a confirmation that something
00:01:38was happening, that it is happening. Now we know who the man was who
00:01:41represented that link between Ukraine and
00:01:45Serbia. How do you see his role,
00:01:49the role of Christopher
00:01:51Hill?
00:01:54Well, I wouldn't bring this up if you hadn't directly
00:01:57pointed it out, and I think that here... There are two
00:02:00elements, first, Dušan,
00:02:03the fact is that there was no serious
00:02:06Russian reaction to
00:02:09Serbian ammunition reaching
00:02:13Ukraine via third countries, but that is
00:02:16not even important. That Serbian ammunition is reaching
00:02:19Ukraine, which is significant and very
00:02:22useful for Ukraine. The absence
00:02:25of any serious Russian reaction should send
00:02:29a message to everyone in Serbia that Russia
00:02:32is very weak, that Russia is very weak, that
00:02:35Vladimir Putin is weak, that Serbia could do more, that
00:02:39Serbia could already today free itself from Russian influence,
00:02:43RT, Sputnik, and other malignant
00:02:46sources of Russian influence, and even impose
00:02:50sanctions without any serious
00:02:53challenge, because the issue of ammunition is extremely
00:02:56serious. That is therefore the first thing.
00:03:00Second, you directly asked me about American policy in
00:03:03relation to that. You see, the fact is this:
00:03:06The Biden administration missed a great
00:03:09opportunity, not only to ensure that Serbian ammunition reaches
00:03:13Ukraine, but also to firmly bring Serbia into
00:03:16the united European and American camp when it
00:03:19comes to Russia. That opportunity arose when
00:03:23Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine in
00:03:262022. That was the moment for
00:03:29that, not to try later to convince them. Look, Serbia
00:03:33earns a lot of money from that ammunition, so it is not a
00:03:36charitable gift, but the Biden
00:03:39administration missed a golden opportunity to tell Serbia
00:03:43what it should have told it, together with partners from
00:03:47the European Union in February, March, and even
00:03:50April 2022.
00:03:53Look, everyone must choose a side,
00:03:57there is no more balancing. "Either you are
00:04:00on the side of freedom in Europe, the freedom of states to
00:04:04choose their strategic orientation, or you are on the side of the aggressor, and
00:04:08you have to choose. You are a candidate for membership in the European
00:04:12Union. The states of the European Union could have pointed this out to
00:04:15President Vučić. You have to choose. Instead,
00:04:19the US did nothing similar, and then they got what they
00:04:23got. And allow me to conclude, Dušan, by saying
00:04:26that Serbia continued to support Russia in many ways: by refusing to
00:04:30impose sanctions, by signing a friendship agreement
00:04:34with the UN with Foreign Minister Lavrov, and by continuing
00:04:37to poison the region with pro-Russian narratives.
00:04:41So, it was not a triumph of American diplomacy, it
00:04:45was a missed golden opportunity.
00:04:49Yes, and what will be the reaction of the European Union then? We know that
00:04:52Belgrade expects some kind of progress in European
00:04:55integration. Can we then expect the opening of
00:04:58Cluster 3, which includes competitiveness, science,
00:05:02and education? It seems that for Belgrade, any progress, especially
00:05:06before the elections, would be
00:05:09beneficial for the current government.
00:05:12At the same time, Serbia is not fulfilling what
00:05:15it has already opened with the European Union, Chapter
00:05:191, or Cluster 1, which relates to basic
00:05:22fundamental rights. How do you think Brussels
00:05:25will react to this and what
00:05:28will Belgrade seek from
00:05:31Brussels after this?
00:05:35I think that is a very legitimate
00:05:39question, Dušan, and I think, in my opinion. "if
00:05:42you ask me to predict, that Russia will acknowledge that
00:05:46this is positive, that Brussels will further
00:05:50demand that Serbia fulfill its
00:05:53obligations. These obligations are
00:05:56very, very serious. I think that
00:05:59in Brussels, they noticed a dramatic
00:06:02decline in democracy in
00:06:05Serbia, pressure on
00:06:08journalists, unheard of pressure on
00:06:11journalists as..." and this playing with
00:06:14laws and the judiciary. I don't think Brussels will
00:06:17be convinced. I think that of course this is a
00:06:21positive move that will be positively received,
00:06:25but I don't think that the countries that opposed
00:06:28the opening of Cluster 3 will be fooled
00:06:31and change their
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00:13:25I believe that the truth can only be one. I am Nikola Vučić,
00:13:28you are watching N1.
00:14:06We continue to analyze the visit of Volodymyr Zelensky to Belgrade,
00:14:10what it means for Serbia, and whether it represents a certain change in
00:14:13foreign policy. My colleague Aleksandra Gotfroa
00:14:16discussed this earlier with political scientist Boris
00:14:20Varga. Mr. Varga, thank you for
00:14:23speaking to N1. So, Ukrainian
00:14:26President Volodymyr Zelensky has arrived in Serbia. What does
00:14:30this visit mean and who needs it more,
00:14:33in fact?
00:14:36Well, Zelensky in Belgrade is a clear sign that Putin is not winning
00:14:40the war in Ukraine. For
00:14:43the last three years, from around mid-
00:14:452023, there have been more than 10
00:14:48political contacts between Zelensky and Vučić,
00:14:52taking into account various meetings on the sidelines of summits
00:14:56and phone calls, but this is certainly the first
00:14:59official visit.
00:15:02Both countries do not have high
00:15:05expectations from direct cooperation between Ukraine and
00:15:09Serbia, however, in an indirect sense, there is
00:15:13a great interest.
00:15:16For Zelensky and the Ukrainian army, Serbia is important because of
00:15:19the weapons that are procured through intermediaries,
00:15:23and Vučić needs support in the West, in the United
00:15:27States and the European Union, especially now before
00:15:31the elections, because the autocracy in
00:15:34Serbia is no longer overlooked, and
00:15:37the election process, by all accounts, will not meet
00:15:41the standards that Western partners
00:15:44expect from Vučić. Mhm. And what
00:15:47are the common interests, points of contact, and areas that
00:15:53on which they could further build their
00:15:56relations?
00:15:59Well, yes, from the perspective,
00:16:03uh, somehow, uh, Ukraine, Serbia is considered
00:16:07to be a full
00:16:10ally of Moscow. Zelensky's visit to
00:16:13Serbia is celebrated as yet
00:16:17another international victory
00:16:19of Ukraine over Putin. Ukraine and
00:16:23Serbia are candidate countries for the European
00:16:27Union. In a way, they are
00:16:30also rivals. But cooperation and simultaneous
00:16:33competence in that direction towards
00:16:36the EU would be the healthiest and
00:16:39most useful
00:16:43arms trade, i.e.,
00:16:46Soviet-type ammunition, then there is energy,
00:16:49there is the electrical industry which Russia is constantly
00:16:52destroying daily in Ukraine.
00:16:55This is the potential of
00:16:58uh, certainly Ukrainian-Serbian cooperation, then free
00:17:02trade, there are new military technologies
00:17:05that the war in Ukraine has completely changed and to
00:17:11transitioning. These are the IT sector, drones,
00:17:15artificial intelligence. Of course, it's a good chance for
00:17:18Serbia to jump on that train. And
00:17:22do you notice a
00:17:26change in Serbia's foreign policy towards Ukraine in the last
00:17:29year?
00:17:32No.
00:17:35Well, Serbia will continue
00:17:39in its politics and generally in
00:17:42society to foster Russophilia, which is a historical
00:17:46constant, regardless of who will be at the head of Russia, whether
00:17:50it will fight with
00:17:52Ukraine,
00:17:54uh, that bitter taste leaves that in a way
00:17:58generally
00:18:00among a part of uh, let's say,
00:18:04voters politically aligned in
00:18:07Serbia, support for Putin's campaign in Ukraine
00:18:10is a misunderstanding of why
00:18:13Ukraine has the right to decide its own
00:18:17destiny, to defend itself. However,
00:18:19all these are consequences of not confronting the wars
00:18:22of the 90s, because of which Serbia still
00:18:26has a similar attitude towards its neighbors as
00:18:30Russia. Mhm. Towards Ukraine. When we talk
00:18:33about Russia and Ukraine, Ukrainian media wrote
00:18:36before this visit, they quoted an unnamed
00:18:39diplomat saying that the visit was symbolic and that Kyiv should,
00:18:42so to speak, pull Serbia
00:18:46out of Moscow's
00:18:47embrace.
00:18:52Well, that's uh, that's what
00:18:55I said, that in a way, uh, someone
00:18:59will represent that Ukraine will celebrate
00:19:03Zelensky's arrival as its victory.
00:19:06Mhm. that Moscow's reaction will always be
00:19:10harsh to any cooperation between Belgrade and
00:19:13Kyiv. However, Russia will not
00:19:16cool relations with Serbia because
00:19:19it is not currently in
00:19:21that position. Vučić is aware
00:19:25of this and that is why he is quietly turning towards the
00:19:28West, because he currently needs more support from the United
00:19:32States and the European Union than support from isolated
00:19:36Putin. Generally, Putin needs
00:19:39Serbia more than Vučić currently needs
00:19:42Russia, given the entire internal and external
00:19:46political situation with the crisis that has been going on for two
00:19:50years in Serbia due to student and civil
00:19:53protests, Vučić really
00:19:56needs more and more help. He needs
00:19:59the West. However, the picture will
00:20:03significantly change immediately before
00:20:06the announced elections in Serbia, when we will have
00:20:09a full-day Russophilic
00:20:13full-day pro-Russian
00:20:16tirade from the Progressives and Vučić.
00:20:18The regime will fight for every
00:20:22vote, again with the worst Russophilic
00:20:26Putin-philic propaganda, it will mobilize the right, as
00:20:30in the spring of 2022, when the war in
00:20:33Ukraine began and when everything
00:20:35looked in the media as if Serbia was on the side
00:20:39of the aggressor and Russia, so on the one hand, it suits
00:20:43Belgrade better that this visit is happening
00:20:47now, not in the
00:20:50election process, that is, there will be
00:20:53time to mitigate the effect of this visit
00:20:56for those citizens who are
00:20:59pro-Russian, or who are Russophiles,
00:21:02to turn the story around. Mhm. And how do you interpret that,
00:21:06you see, President
00:21:09of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić has met with Zelensky
00:21:13multiple times on the sidelines of various gatherings, he participated
00:21:17in the summit. Ukraine, Southeast Europe,
00:21:20he did not sign the last two declarations, however, what caught
00:21:24the eye was that when he was in Odessa for that summit and
00:21:27when he was last in Kyiv, which coincided with Ukraine's
00:21:31Statehood Day, he did not go, unlike all other
00:21:35participants, to lay flowers at those national memorials to Ukrainians
00:21:38who died in defense of their country.
00:21:42Why?
00:21:44Yes, that was very
00:21:46noticeable, and all media
00:21:50reported on it, although such
00:21:52gestures appear completely scandalous
00:21:55and are morally unacceptable
00:21:58in a way in this very tense
00:22:01international atmosphere and conditions of war
00:22:04in Europe. Such behavior by Vučić in
00:22:07Ukraine and the West is still
00:22:10tolerated. Here, in this situation,
00:22:14the effectiveness of relations between Belgrade and Kyiv
00:22:18is measured, not the way
00:22:21it was achieved. So it is important
00:22:25to have Serbia and Vučić on your
00:22:28side. And finally, what do you think Moscow's
00:22:31reaction will be? You said it will be harsh to this meeting,
00:22:35but should Belgrade even deal with their
00:22:38harsh reactions and to what extent, if
00:22:40so?
00:22:44It will certainly be harsh,
00:22:47and Belgrade
00:22:50is aware of its position, and Vučić is aware that
00:22:54he is more needed by Putin than
00:22:57Putin needs him, and he is also aware
00:23:01that Russia wants, just as Europe and the West want, to
00:23:04keep, of course, and Ukraine,
00:23:07Serbia on its side, so Russia
00:23:10still considers Serbia to be
00:23:13that island from which
00:23:16it continues to operate and
00:23:20has that influence on
00:23:22the Western Balkans. So, Russia
00:23:25still counts on Serbia, and that will
00:23:29remain so. The proof of that, the red line, is
00:23:32certainly the non-imposition of sanctions on Russia,
00:23:35and uh, I think
00:23:39that there is a consensus in
00:23:43the West, in Russia, and in Serbia that this
00:23:46is in fact that red line, and I think that at least
00:23:50for now, no one will ask Serbia to
00:23:53cross it, that is, to impose
00:23:56sanctions on Russia
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00:24:11Zelensky to Serbia. Stay tuned to N1's news
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