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00:00:18Good afternoon, dear viewers, you are watching
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00:00:25The fire in the Konjic area is still active, numerous firefighters and
00:00:28helicopters are engaged.
00:00:32The protest in the Mrki Uglja Zenica mine continues, 10 Zenica miners
00:00:35are still in the Raspotočje
00:00:38see the efforts of pit. Volodymyr Zelensky is on an official visit
00:00:42to Serbia, a memorandum of understanding in the field of agriculture
00:00:45between Serbia and
00:00:46Ukraine has been signed.
00:00:51The fire in the Kanjina and Živašnica area near Konjic is still
00:00:54active, and all available firefighters and
00:00:57professional fire brigades of Konjic are on the ground. Workers of the Prenj
00:01:00forestry. The fire has engulfed the forest on steep and
00:01:03inaccessible terrain, which makes extinguishing difficult. Fire teams from Sarajevo, Tarčin
00:01:07and Jablanica arrived to help the Konjic teams. Helicopters
00:01:11of the Armed Forces of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Zenica-Doboj Canton
00:01:14and air tractors
00:01:18are involved in extinguishing the fire.
00:01:21And today, unfortunately, the fire is still
00:01:24active. What is good is that the lower
00:01:28part of the fire's edge, which was near settlements, i.e., near
00:01:32houses, was localized and extinguished last night, and we hope
00:01:36that today there will be no new problems, at least in that
00:01:39part, however, the fire is in a rather
00:01:42inaccessible area, and it is now spreading uncontrollably in
00:01:45all directions. We have, this morning,
00:01:49support in the form of helicopters
00:01:52I'm leaving I have five of of the armed forces and in the form of air tractors that
00:01:55are extinguishing the fire, of course, there are firefighters on
00:01:58the ground, so... Today
00:02:00is a working day ahead of us, we will try as much
00:02:04as possible to prevent further spread so that
00:02:08houses and buildings are not threatened. Yesterday we really
00:02:11had help from all sides, so we had two
00:02:14vehicles from Sarajevo Canton with two
00:02:17crews, we also had one helicopter from
00:02:21Zenica-Doboj Canton and one helicopter from the armed forces.
00:02:24Also, two R tractors of the
00:02:28HNC government were operating. Um, we had firefighters from Jablanica
00:02:32and all our local protection and rescue services were
00:02:35involved, so there were
00:02:38really a lot of people on the ground, mm, of course,
00:02:41we continue today, already this morning, helicopters are
00:02:45operating, air tractors, the situation
00:02:48is a bit calmer when it comes to the fire, at least in this
00:02:51position where it can be extinguished from the ground, but given that it is
00:02:55a pine forest, a very steep terrain, the situation
00:02:59changes from hour to hour, so we must be
00:03:01present.
00:03:0610 miners from the Mrki Uglja
00:03:09to uh reaching a a Zenica mine spent their fourth night in the Raspotočje pit, continuing
00:03:11their protest. Of the two miners who fell ill on Friday and left
00:03:15the pit to receive help, one has returned to
00:03:18the pit. If the situation is not resolved, on Monday all members of the main
00:03:22board of the Mrki
00:03:25great deal of weight in Uglja Zenica mine union will join them in the pit,
00:03:28which will further radicalize
00:03:30the protest. Miners are protesting due to unpaid salaries for May and June, which were
00:03:34promised to them last month, and the July salary will soon be due.
00:03:38Temporarily, for now only until September 6th, two
00:03:41days ago they were again able to certify their health
00:03:45insurance books.
00:03:48Third month, so we are entering the fourth month, so we don't have
00:03:51salaries. So we have to come, buy food,
00:03:55fuel, etc. There are people who come 40 km in
00:03:59one direction. So, what about wives,
00:04:02children, electricity,
00:04:06food, so it's up to our throats, now
00:04:09these empty promises from day to day, it will be today, it will be
00:04:13tomorrow, people are fed up,
00:04:16they have nothing more to lose, people locked themselves in the pit, which I
00:04:20support, it should have been done long ago,
00:04:24the situation is such that these 10 people who are currently left, they do not intend
00:04:28to leave until they receive a written confirmation that the payment
00:04:31of salaries for May, June and July
00:04:34war to a will be then and then, I mean a date, they are asking for a date
00:04:38from the ministry, the relevant ministry, throughout the
00:04:41closure of the Zenica mine, a struggle until today, until tomorrow, we
00:04:44nothing, a miner from Zenica cannot plan whether
00:04:48he will go on vacation, whether he will go with his children to rest, how this
00:04:51happened, so nothing, starting from salaries, through those health insurance books,
00:04:55through the payment of contributions, nothing, they
00:04:58promise us everything, we are just... here to wait and do as
00:05:01they
00:05:03say.
00:05:07A group of prominent American senators and members of the House of Representatives expressed
00:05:11deep concern about... the summoning of 26
00:05:14current and former employees and associates of the Srebrenica
00:05:18Memorial Center for police interrogations, warning that
00:05:21the Memorial Center must be able to carry out its mission without
00:05:25intimidation. At the same time, they called on the American
00:05:28administration to implement mandatory sanctions provided
00:05:32by the National Defense Act for fiscal year 2026
00:05:36against individuals responsible for destabilizing
00:05:39actions and undermining democratic institutions. Earlier,
00:05:42the director of the Srebrenica Memorial Center, Emir Suljagić, sent a message
00:05:46to American senators and members of the U.S. House of
00:05:49Representatives. Suljagić reacted to the statements of the Minister of Finance of Bosnia
00:05:53and Herzegovina, Srđan Amidžić, who said that he does not know
00:05:56why the director of the Srebrenica Memorial Center is nervous or why
00:06:00there are, as he called them, hysterical reactions, if that
00:06:04institution operates in accordance with the law, even though its work is
00:06:07clean and transparent. Suljagić claims that the latest
00:06:10events concerning the Srebrenica Memorial Center do not represent
00:06:14a legitimate investigation, but a political campaign of intimidation.
00:06:17He states that Amidžić is personally responsible for blocking laws and
00:06:21sub-legal acts that are necessary for the Srebrenica
00:06:25Memorial Center to become more independent and financially sustainable, and that
00:06:29he, along with Milorad Dodik and Željka Cvijanović, joined the intimidation
00:06:32campaign. Suljagić assessed that it is a political
00:06:35campaign aimed against Bosniaks in Srebrenica solely on the basis of
00:06:39their nationality and place of work. work.
00:06:46The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, is on an official visit to Serbia. After
00:06:50a ceremonial welcome in front of the Palace of Serbia, a tête-à-tête meeting
00:06:54was held between Zelensky and the President of Serbia,
00:06:57Aleksandar Vučić, followed by a meeting of the delegations of the two countries.
00:07:00A memorandum of understanding in the field of agriculture was signed
00:07:04between Serbia and Ukraine. The President of Serbia said that they discussed various
00:07:08topics, including the European path of Serbia and Ukraine. They did not
00:07:12discuss military cooperation, said Vučić. Zelensky said
00:07:15that they are grateful that Serbia will provide a new package of humanitarian
00:07:19aid to Ukraine, especially in the areas of healthcare and energy,
00:07:23he said that negotiations on a free trade agreement between Ukraine and
00:07:27Serbia are progressing.
00:07:30Ukraine wants to open all clusters
00:07:32as quickly as possible. Ukraine wants quick
00:07:35membership in the European
00:07:37Union.
00:07:41I told President Zelensky
00:07:43that
00:07:46I understand all that, and I understand that kind of
00:07:49enthusiasm,
00:07:51but that as the President of Serbia, as someone who is a political veteran, I do not see at this
00:07:55moment the possibility, primarily for Serbia, I was not
00:07:59talking about Ukraine, so primarily for Serbia to soon
00:08:02become a member of the European Union for
00:08:06numerous political reasons, I
00:08:08fully stand behind what I wrote together
00:08:11with... the Prime Minister of Albania Edi Rama, I
00:08:15think it is important for our region, I
00:08:19told President Zelensky that I think it would be important and good even for
00:08:22Ukraine, Moldova and other as
00:08:25they say Eastern
00:08:28countries and I think that is the reality, I do not believe
00:08:32that to be completely open that
00:08:35all Europeans will be benevolent even towards
00:08:39Ukrainian membership, as you can see...
00:08:43I speak about it openly, they always
00:08:45find someone, for us they will find some
00:08:49Croats, Bulgarians, Dutch, anyone,
00:08:52for Ukrainians they will find others, but I
00:08:55do not see at this moment the possibility of
00:08:58that being realistically
00:09:00implemented.
00:09:06It is not
00:09:10just reality and enthusiasm
00:09:14that is at stake when
00:09:16choosing the path to the European Union, I understand
00:09:20Aleksandar's skepticism, quite detailed,
00:09:24Ukraine has no time for
00:09:27skepticism or
00:09:30war.
00:09:34As I said, it will be in the future, first
00:09:38is the path that we chose, which the people
00:09:41chose." This is unity between the state
00:09:45and the people, unity between institutions and the private sector.
00:09:59And this unity gives us
00:10:02strength. Although many other leaders
00:10:06told me that we would not get candidate status and so
00:10:08on.
00:10:12we got that status, I fight for it every day
00:10:16and sometimes it can
00:10:19seem so far away and
00:10:23so unattainable but. "we
00:10:25realize
00:10:28those dreams, there is unity in our
00:10:31country, we must not
00:10:35destroy that unity,
00:10:38and there is unity in the European Union on many things, not just on
00:10:42war.
00:10:45At least three people, including one child, were killed
00:10:48overnight in Russian attacks near the Ukrainian capital Kyiv,"
00:10:52a local official reported. Rockets early this morning... hit the area
00:10:55east of Kyiv, eyewitnesses reported strong explosions just
00:10:59a few days after 21 people were killed in strikes across
00:11:03Ukraine. Emergency teams extinguished fires in a building and
00:11:07a fuel tank in Kyiv, Mayor Vitali
00:11:10Klitschko wrote on
00:11:11Telegram.
00:12:48info.B. That's all for this overview, thank you for
00:12:51your attention.
00:15:48Diplomacy today is very
00:15:51interesting thing and it's
00:15:54probably most needed thing which we don't have,
00:15:58because diplomacy probably doesn't work properly when we
00:16:02look Ukraine, when we look at middle east, when we look
00:16:05relationship between allies.
00:16:08in different countries and someone who knows a lot of
00:16:11about um diplomacy is my next
00:16:14guest, ambassador lead turner, former UK
00:16:18ambassador to ukraine, someone who spent over four decades
00:16:22in diplomacy working for
00:16:24British diplomatic service, just today
00:16:27read a report which says that
00:16:30UK foreign intelligence service
00:16:33MI6 is one of the best, but to me also look...
00:16:37like us UK diplomacy is one of the
00:16:41best in the world, so we are going to speak lot of about diplomacy
00:16:45today, mr. ambassador, welcome to program and one, great to be
00:16:49with you today, esmir,
00:16:51mr. ambassador, you wrote very interesting
00:16:55book titled lessons in
00:16:58diplomacy, and you're drawing up upon your
00:17:01own experiences in Russia,
00:17:05Ukraine, Turkey and working for. fcdo
00:17:08as we know him um today uh Mr.
00:17:12Ambassador, in situations like this,
00:17:15I remember words of a former chief
00:17:18of uh world food program who says when I came
00:17:22into position I had only one
00:17:25prices to deal with, now when
00:17:29them a hands, how important
00:17:32diplomacy and real face to face
00:17:35diplomacy is in such a...
00:17:38like today, as a former
00:17:40diplomat, I of course see diplomacy as being
00:17:44a very important part of
00:17:47solving the world's problems, and in a way
00:17:50I'd distinguish between two kinds of things, there is what
00:17:54you referred to as face to face diplomacy, that
00:17:58is the traditional diplomacy, trying to solve
00:18:01problems, you mentioned the war in Ukraine, you mentioned
00:18:05war in the middle east, there's a kind of... half peace, half
00:18:08war going on between the United States and Israel on the one hand
00:18:12and Iran on the other side, and
00:18:15often it seems that these problems are
00:18:18intractable, you you cannot solve them
00:18:22by diplomacy, and I would just say
00:18:26that it's true that not all
00:18:29conflicts are ameenable to being
00:18:31solved right now by talks, when when the interests of the
00:18:35two sides are completely different. "and there is no common
00:18:39ground, I would say this is the case at the moment, for example between Ukraine and
00:18:43Russia, it's very difficult
00:18:46diplomatic solution. On the other hand, that doesn't mean
00:18:50you shouldn't go on working on such
00:18:53solution, and that's where my second point comes in really, that there are
00:18:57many lessons from diplomacy, there are many
00:19:01diplomatic techniques that you can use and which you should use
00:19:05all the time, so that when the..." soil
00:19:08is prepared if you like for solution, you're ready to go and
00:19:11you're not going to waste time because you haven't been
00:19:14preparing. mr. ambassador, we
00:19:18remember here in western balcans during
00:19:201990s that we had for
00:19:23example
00:19:26who was bulldozer who was bulldosing those
00:19:29leaders around when it comes to um dayton
00:19:33peace agreement and everything else and then we have
00:19:35later -
00:19:38but today we are not seeing a
00:19:42scene people like that. i
00:19:44remember jonathan from
00:19:48government in united kingdom in 1990 is good friday
00:19:51agreement and later when it came to
00:19:54Kosovo. do we need today people like
00:19:58that, the old old school of
00:20:00diplomacy to come in and use that
00:20:04knowledge and those lessons in diplomacy about which you
00:20:07wrote in your book to resolve issues
00:20:11like Ukraine or Middle East today. I think
00:20:15a lot of what you're talking about is two-fold:
00:20:18firstly, it's proactivity, it's having leaders, it's having
00:20:22countries which want to be proactive,
00:20:26and that in the past in the cases you refer to, the good
00:20:30friday agreement, it was a government in London that
00:20:33decided we're going to have a go at solving this problem, the government of...
00:20:37Tony Blair, and with the help of Jonathan Powel, who's a remarkable guy,
00:20:41I used to work with him in Vienna back in the 80s, and
00:20:45he's still at the heart of government now in in number 10
00:20:48Downing Street with. the help of Jonathan Power, because they took the
00:20:52initiative, they managed to solve
00:20:55that, what seemed to be an impossible problem in
00:20:59Northern Ireland, and you mentioned the Balkans, again,
00:21:02the fact that you had a US envoy who
00:21:06was prepared to invest
00:21:10the president, who was deeply knowledgeable about the
00:21:13region, made it possible to
00:21:16achieve some results in the western Balkans, now that's one thing is:
00:21:20a country that's involved, but then do you have the people? uh, I don't want
00:21:24to be rude about anybody, but when we
00:21:28the US government over the last few years to, or
00:21:32last 18 months really, to resolve the crisis
00:21:35in Ukraine or to resolve the crisis in
00:21:39Gaza, or to resolve the crisis in um,
00:21:43between Iran and the US and Israel, I'm a bit
00:21:46dismed to see that it's always the same... couple of
00:21:50envoys, the the're people who have the trust of
00:21:53President Trump, which of course is very important, but when
00:21:57you're going to negotiate a nuclear deal with
00:22:01Iran, you need to have really deep
00:22:04expertise. now I've been pretty shocked to hear some of those envoys
00:22:07saying, uh, this is pretty straightforward. similarly, if
00:22:10you're dealing with Israel, Gaza, that's a, that's a
00:22:14conflict that stretches back through the decades and then of
00:22:17course Ukraine, Russia, I was, I mean, I've got to name names
00:22:21here. I was very shocked to see Mr. Steve Witkoff
00:22:25coming back from Moscow, which I think he's visited six, seven or
00:22:29eight times, never having been to Kieve as far as I
00:22:32know, um, to see Mr. Witkoff come back from
00:22:36Moscow, talking in Russian sound
00:22:39bites, saying that Ukraine is not a real country, or giving weight
00:22:43to the fake referendums that Russia held
00:22:46in parts of Ukraine that it had occupied by Force.
00:22:50so you need both things: you need to have an engaged
00:22:53government, and then you have to have really top
00:22:56people who know their stuff, who are able to get
00:23:00stuck into solving a conflict, and even that may not be enough if
00:23:04the time is not right, but those people should be engaged all the time,
00:23:08and if you look back over history at the
00:23:10great states men and states women who have become involved
00:23:14in crisis resolution over the years, there
00:23:17are some very important names there. Mr.
00:23:21Ambassador, um, you wrote in your book and you
00:23:24introduce um, the oxygen mask
00:23:27principle, and you're speaking about,
00:23:30um, leaders becoming incapable in
00:23:34decision um making, how
00:23:36dangerous is when we have a leaders like that, for
00:23:40example, a president Trump
00:23:43who is always playing
00:23:47games with decision, he's gna
00:23:50uh attack them today, he's not gonna attack them in the
00:23:54evening, how important is that we have a
00:23:58leader who gets that advice and then um makes
00:24:01a decision based on that advice?
00:24:05well, I would say first of all that President Trump
00:24:09is of course very important world leader
00:24:12whose decisions carry a
00:24:15attempting to resolve crises around the
00:24:18world, but he's he appears to
00:24:22almost make it part of his USP to be
00:24:26unpredictable, he likes to be unpredictable, he thinks that's
00:24:29from his earlier experience, including outside
00:24:32politics, he thinks that being unpredictable is a
00:24:35good way to get what you want, and I'm just not
00:24:39sure in whether the his record over the last
00:24:4318 months really shows that, and you refer
00:24:46to the principle of the oxygen mask, Esmir.
00:24:50and I do agree that's very important in in the book, actually I the
00:24:54first chapter is called how to survive a crisis
00:24:58and I sometimes try to distill
00:25:01the lessons of that chapter into three simple
00:25:05lessons. The first one is to be prepared and to
00:25:08practice and practice and practice for crisis
00:25:12management before the crisis happens, that way you'll have the
00:25:15best way of being able to solve whatever problem it is that
00:25:19comes along. "the second lesson is that
00:25:22sometimes counterintuitively,
00:25:25it's better to do nothing than to do something, when a crisis
00:25:29happens, you always have this feeling we've got to do
00:25:32something, and sometimes it's like when a
00:25:35bomb goes off outside, don't go to the window, you you're very tempted to go
00:25:39and look out and see what's happened, but what you should do of course is go to
00:25:43the interior of the building in case second bomb goes off, and then the
00:25:46third principle that I talk about, as you mentioned there is the..."
00:25:50principle of put your own oxygen mask on first, we know
00:25:54this from when we've been on aircraft, and they do that safety
00:25:57briefing that you don't listen to because you've heard it 20 times before,
00:26:01and they say if you're traveling with a child or somebody who's
00:26:04disabled, make sure you put your oxygen mask on
00:26:07first, look after yourself, because if
00:26:11you put your child's oxygen mask on first, they can't help
00:26:15you when you don't have enough oxygen, and the the lesson
00:26:18really is that leaders need to make sure that they are
00:26:22top form, they're in the best possible shape
00:26:26when a crisis may be around the
00:26:28corner. mr. ambassador, you know Russia well,
00:26:32but you also know Ukraine recently an interview
00:26:36um on Sky News uh Baroness May former prime
00:26:39minister said that um
00:26:42US president shouldn't
00:26:45trust um Russian president and she
00:26:49says I quote her once a KGB man always a
00:26:52KGB man and you also write in your book about the
00:26:56threat of transactional
00:26:58diplomacy and you mentioned just recently uh
00:27:02with and his um talking points basically being
00:27:06a Moscow talking points, how
00:27:09dangerous that transactional um
00:27:12relationship is, especially when it comes
00:27:15to um situations like this,
00:27:18wars and conflicts, especially in a contagious
00:27:21areas like middle east and Ukraine.
00:27:25I think the point here is
00:27:28that the Soviet Union as it was,
00:27:32after 1917 was, if you like, an
00:27:36embryonic communist state, which was for the
00:27:39first 10, 20, 30, 40 years of its
00:27:42existence an existential crisis. they were
00:27:46in danger of being wiped out, whether by the white Russians, whether by
00:27:49internal descent, whether it was by the famins that they brought about,
00:27:53especially in Ukraine, or whether it was by
00:27:56um, the Nazi Germany, and so the Soviet
00:28:00system laid an enormous amount of
00:28:03weight on the control of information, and it took the
00:28:07view that it was perfectly reasonable to lie
00:28:10and to deceive not only your opponents, but also
00:28:13your own people, if that was in the greater
00:28:17good of the glorious Soviet
00:28:20Union, and many of those uh
00:28:24lessons, if you like, or many of that thinking has been
00:28:27incorporated in the Russian leadership of today. I
00:28:31I often quote,
00:28:33a talk by Kim Philby who was a
00:28:35British spy who spied for the Soviet
00:28:39Union, um, he was in MI6, in what is called
00:28:42SIS these days, the secret intelligence service, as head of the Russia
00:28:46section, and then he escaped to the Soviet Union, and
00:28:50back in the 70s, I think it was, he gave a lecture to
00:28:53Starsy recruits, the East German security recruits
00:28:57in Berlin, and you can find it on the internet, it's in English,
00:29:01amazingly uh, Kim Philby never learned
00:29:04Russian um and he basically says,
00:29:07if you are accused of something, just deny
00:29:10it and keep denying it, if they come up with something written in your
00:29:14handwriting, say it's a forgery and so
00:29:17on, and of course all governments lie
00:29:20sometimes, um, no, no government tells the truth all the
00:29:24time, but I think the Russian leadership
00:29:28have very disciplined, very organized
00:29:31system of... consistently lying and
00:29:34denying, we saw it for example with the shooting down of the Malaysian
00:29:38airliner MH17 over Eastern
00:29:42Ukraine in 2014, where
00:29:45Russia has continued to deny having anything to do with
00:29:48it for year after year, even though it's been proven conclusively
00:29:52that it was a Russian unit that shot that aircraft down, so
00:29:56there is this enormous issue with Russia
00:30:00continuing continually.
00:30:02responsibility for all sorts of things that it is responsible
00:30:06for, and you refer Esmier to
00:30:09transactional politics. I think
00:30:12when we look at for example, the Russia Ukraine
00:30:16crisis, there seems to be a belief in some
00:30:19quarters that, well, Russia has
00:30:22got so much of Ukraine, we've got to end this war, so
00:30:26let's accept that they
00:30:29have control over part of Ukraine, let's let's give them something, give them.
00:30:32crimea or give them some part of eastern Ukraine to bring this
00:30:37close, but the principles
00:30:40of territorial integrity and
00:30:43the principles of it not being legal to
00:30:47invade your neighbor and occupy it are
00:30:50extremely important, and it's
00:30:53not that you can give a bit and take a bit and
00:30:57that'll all be okay, if the international community.