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00:04:31We return to the show New Day, friend of the show General
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00:04:49We continue with a new day, we talk about the film
00:04:52"Identity" a documentary film by author Slađana Lučić
00:04:56which tells the story of Ajna Jusić, Alen Muhić, Lejla
00:05:00Damon, uh, children born as a consequence
00:05:03of war sexual violence. "Identity" will
00:05:06be screened on August 17th within the Sarajevo Film
00:05:09Festival. And I'm talking about the film with the author. with
00:05:13one of the protagonists, good morning and welcome to a new day.
00:05:17Good morning, good morning.
00:05:19Slađana, when did you first hear the story of
00:05:22Ajna, Lejla, Alen? Why was
00:05:26all of that so powerful for you and what
00:05:30motivated you to make a film about it?
00:05:33I've been in journalism for a long time and I knew, I heard
00:05:37about the work and advocacy and everything they
00:05:40are trying. within society
00:05:43Alan Muhić and Leila Demon who is global, who
00:05:47lives in Great Britain. What was
00:05:50special to me is that we know in society
00:05:53that often these changes do not go through the system, they do not
00:05:56happen the way we would like and that
00:06:00then individuals take them upon themselves, in this case,
00:06:03these three who for me were making those small revolutions that
00:06:06change society, change how we
00:06:09look at children born of
00:06:12war sexual violence, and it was important to me to tell that story because
00:06:16I think there is never enough fight,
00:06:20not enough ways to show how
00:06:23problematic our attitude as society is when
00:06:26I say "our" towards uh those whom we consider
00:06:29different in some way at that moment, that discrimination, stigma that
00:06:33has changed over these years, which has led to the legal
00:06:37recognition of children born due to war sexual violence as civilian victims
00:06:41of war, that is truly... "a small revolution that came from within, not
00:06:44from the system, but through the work of these three and associations, we followed
00:06:48that work, but I'm also interested in this identity, mhm,
00:06:51why that particular word and what did you actually realize during
00:06:54your work on the film, how important identity is to us, even
00:06:58when a part of our life story is something we didn't choose
00:07:02ourselves, but identity, that's right,
00:07:04I think, there are different identities, I think I
00:07:08wanted to show that identity that connects us,
00:07:11but in which we are different." "One of Ana's identities
00:07:15is that she was born due to war sexual violence, but there are so many
00:07:19identities in her and what she does and her character,
00:07:22that's what she is, like all of us, and I think that sometimes
00:07:26when we don't know someone, we give
00:07:29them a name or we look at them through a
00:07:33prism that we associate with something, necessarily not necessarily
00:07:37good, and I think this film can help in that understanding."
00:07:40of work, public advocacy for the common
00:07:44good, giving oneself for the common good,
00:07:47although it is not easy at all, I mean, Ajna knows that best, Alen
00:07:50and Lejla. Ajna, when you say "my identity", what does that word
00:07:54mean to you? I believe that the
00:07:57perception of identity in your own example
00:08:00and uh, the perception of the broader picture of people around
00:08:03you has definitely changed with this fight that
00:08:07is ongoing for recognition.
00:08:10Well, "absolutely yes, in
00:08:13essence, I am glad that it came out of an identity that was not
00:08:17adequately and socially accepted, in essence, not just
00:08:21mine, but the identity of my mother and then
00:08:24the identity, right, of our family, simply this story does not
00:08:27only concern me and my mother, but all of our
00:08:31environment, especially the family, but
00:08:34uh generally, identity
00:08:37and what we tried to show in this film is that children
00:08:41born because of war" are far more than what
00:08:45defined them by the very way, right, of
00:08:48birth. Maybe that is essentially the most, maybe it was even
00:08:52the most important for me, Alen, and Lejla, because all that
00:08:56discrimination from our, right, early childhood until today did
00:08:59not really allow us to express everything else we
00:09:03are, and at the end of the day,
00:09:05we chose that identity
00:09:09to tell society because we see that there is a pattern of
00:09:12behavior in society that pushes away some people because one of their
00:09:16identities is not adequate for us,
00:09:19so I hope that through this film, maybe I will breathe a little
00:09:23in some moment, that people will see me as much, much
00:09:26more than just a multi-layered and complex
00:09:29person. Yes, I know that it is partly my responsibility through this activism that people
00:09:33often recognize me on the street by that association, but
00:09:37that's not a problem for me because I know what I wanted to say
00:09:41by highlighting this. and that contributed to children
00:09:45like you being visible, absolutely, and not just being visible, but
00:09:49becoming, don't get me wrong, but just another unimportant identity
00:09:52in society that stands out simply because someone was
00:09:56born that way, so that's why we
00:09:59showed much
00:10:03different sides within that film and that's perhaps for me that
00:10:07identity of children is perhaps the least visible because we are all
00:10:11the rest. Yes. But is there a question
00:10:14that people often ask, well,
00:10:18I would like them to stop asking it. Besides
00:10:21that single-layered view of people, where we are,
00:10:24I would say, not only children who
00:10:27were born as a result of rape,
00:10:30but actually, uh,
00:10:34all of us, where we are viewed and put into
00:10:37packages, because it's easier that way, and it's a little
00:10:41harder to scratch beneath the surface and realize all other identities.
00:10:44Well, it's natural for people, when they first meet, to look at
00:10:47the fact that we are human and social beings. It's natural for people to ask about an
00:10:51identity, so we know if it's our comfort zone,
00:10:55if it's something where we want to fit in, but
00:10:58uh, somewhere from my perspective, I would like this
00:11:01film to bring some relief to my life, that is
00:11:05that sexual violence should not necessarily be the first topic that comes
00:11:09up over coffee with me. I mean,
00:11:12I can talk about other things, but
00:11:15maybe all this sounds stupid, I mean it doesn't sound stupid, it sounds smart at the end of the day, and
00:11:19that's what this film and all our activism perhaps wants to convey,
00:11:23exactly the same pain. "This was
00:11:27in journalism, very often people are prone to ask you about everything that is
00:11:30happening in the country, immediately politics, you're fed up with
00:11:34it, or doctors immediately tell you what hurts and ask for
00:11:38free therapy at that moment, I guess we are all
00:11:41prone to that. What is also interesting and important to mention for this film, Slađana, is that
00:11:45you and the film, as we said at the very beginning, told through three different
00:11:49stories, three different people, individuals, but
00:11:52you somehow put together a single
00:11:55universal story about children of war, which is perhaps an even
00:11:58stronger message.
00:12:01The problem of children born due to war, Ajna often repeats,
00:12:05did not arise in war, but in peace, that is what
00:12:08I think is very important to say, and what was terrifying
00:12:12to me is that three decades later, almost when we
00:12:16started shooting the film, it was changing for the better,
00:12:20but it didn't change, again I say, because we recognized
00:12:24and because we... only initiated it ourselves, but because
00:12:29on it, and that is somewhat
00:12:33disheartening, but it's good to see that change is happening
00:12:36and that change has happened. It's not equally visible
00:12:40everywhere. That's what the two of us were talking about in rural
00:12:44areas, smaller areas, considering
00:12:47how we continue to live, where war crimes
00:12:50related to war sexual violence have not been prosecuted,
00:12:53but... "a lot has been done
00:12:57and what is important to me, I think that identity, they are
00:13:00all different, I wanted to show that, there is
00:13:04something in common, they connected through humor and through everything that tormented
00:13:07them, but it's largely a film about
00:13:10love, love that was given, uh, that was
00:13:13given to mother Sabina whom we filmed
00:13:16in people who are parents who
00:13:20adopted Alen and Lejla, those
00:13:23are all stories about..." love that somehow gets left behind
00:13:27and is very important in what we will be like, what kind of
00:13:31people we will become, how we will talk, what we will think about
00:13:34others and differences, I think we tried, well, that, we tried
00:13:38what Ajna says, that it's not that one identity, but that you
00:13:41see that breadth and what that
00:13:44means, that it's not simple, but
00:13:47why it's important and who they are now.
00:13:50Yes, no matter how many times you tell your story, I believe and
00:13:54somehow those... bits, uh, to say
00:13:56perhaps more detail, was there in this film? I believe that a mutual
00:14:00trust was established because they didn't just tell you their stories, but
00:14:04the most intimate parts of their lives, so
00:14:07you mention Alen and Lejla who didn't stay
00:14:10with their biological parents. Ajna
00:14:14did. All of that is something that
00:14:16took time. How much do you feel, well, not only in
00:14:19the role of the film's author, but in the role of
00:14:23a human being,
00:14:26honored that you have the trust that someone tells you what
00:14:29they told you? Well, I'm quite
00:14:32sure I'm grateful. It was interesting,
00:14:36four years of our getting together
00:14:38and getting to know each other. It's not easy for Ana, nor for me, nor for Alen, nor
00:14:42for Lejla, especially as I said, experiences were not always
00:14:45positive in conversations with journalists,
00:14:48with documentarians. Some were, uh, I would say
00:14:52people. "Some were less human in their approach
00:14:56to that conversation and I felt less human in that approach, so a lesson
00:14:59for all of us, and so for me, the first, my first
00:15:03problem in the course of any interview
00:15:06and film is that
00:15:09someone comes in front of me and expects me to lay bare my soul
00:15:13just like that, without even a minimum of prior knowledge.
00:15:17Uh, I will always repeat that knowledge protects you,
00:15:20but it protects my mind and yours, so I don't like, I don't like..."
00:15:25when someone thinks that their
00:15:27profession gives them the right to strip me bare without any
00:15:31preparation, that's perhaps the only and first thing I told
00:15:35Slađana at our first meeting. in
00:15:38Grbavica, time is needed and I
00:15:42have my standards, I don't go below those standards. When I say
00:15:45standards, standards, standards of my mental
00:15:48health, absolutely, and absolutely it's somehow
00:15:52important for me to protect myself, it's important for me to protect my family, my
00:15:56mother, my stepfather, that it takes time for that,
00:15:59that's why somehow four years have been invested
00:16:02and we must start paying attention to these
00:16:05things, we must not think that... that
00:16:08stripping bare is so simple, it has its
00:16:11price, Alen, Lejla and I are paying it in a way, but
00:16:15we know how you don't have the right to go there just
00:16:18like that, that was important to me and, um, regardless
00:16:22of four years, Slađana and I are already
00:16:26friends, but she never went where
00:16:30she didn't get permission, it took a long time for certain
00:16:34things for me to call her and say now or never. If you come
00:16:37now, if you don't, we won't do it. That's how the process
00:16:41went, yes, yes, that's why I'm asking you, because that trust
00:16:45is a big thing, especially with stories like
00:16:48these, which, as Ajna says, can indeed
00:16:52the physical and mental health of people, not just those who have a story
00:16:56like yours that you told, but all
00:17:00of our stories and traumas that we carry with
00:17:03us. Do you feel that something
00:17:06has changed in our society,
00:17:10especially since the award in Oslo
00:17:14that happened and all these years of struggle that continue?
00:17:17I think that somewhere out there in the world, things
00:17:20are more rewarded than in Bosnia and
00:17:24Herzegovina, which is perfectly fine because
00:17:27um in Oslo, people can't really
00:17:30have the same experience as this nation,
00:17:33and every
00:17:37time we talk about change, change is not just for me
00:17:40to be accepted, but change is valuable if no one
00:17:44is retraumatized by this struggle. Changes
00:17:47exist, positive ones, but as
00:17:50Slađana said earlier, in big cities, they are
00:17:53extremely present and noticeable. In
00:17:57Sarajevo, we are in very good positions,
00:18:01but somewhere in smaller communities, we always
00:18:04have, there is that hesitation in... the way
00:18:08we talk, not just for ourselves, but you can't
00:18:11go to a small community, tell this story and say how things
00:18:14are, and then at 5 o'clock get in the car and come to
00:18:18Sarajevo. What about those people at 5:30,
00:18:21especially in those mixed communities, where even today
00:18:25it still happens that everyone lives together, both those who committed crimes
00:18:28and those who survived them. We must always keep in mind that when
00:18:32we go to our beautiful, safe community, then
00:18:36what happens there? Even today, some
00:18:39things you have to do in communities outside
00:18:43social media, outside cameras, and try to stimulate
00:18:46certain topics with your own presence
00:18:50and conversation, but uncompromisingly,
00:18:53what we must do in those smaller
00:18:56communities are young people,
00:18:59try to gain space within schools, because
00:19:03again, I repeat, discrimination
00:19:06has a very similar protocol. I was then
00:19:09perhaps targeted because I don't have
00:19:13a biological father. Tomorrow, we will be in a situation where we
00:19:16see children who have been beaten because, I don't know, for something
00:19:19on social media, someone who is singled out because
00:19:22their shoes broke this morning when they went out, someone because they didn't have
00:19:26money for coffee. Simply, it is very important
00:19:30to make young people aware that we cannot
00:19:33harm a person simply because
00:19:35they don't have the same phone
00:19:39or
00:19:40similar.
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00:20:42We do start with breaking news tonight and some stunning new reporting on an
00:20:45elaborate ruse to conceal the secret plane that President Trump used
00:20:49to fly out of turkey last month, the Washington Post
00:20:53reports this tonight, saying quote, an Iranian
00:20:55assassination threat against President Trump prompted an
00:20:59extraordinary operation in which he flew secretly from
00:21:02Turkey on an alternate military aircraft, while the White
00:21:06House said he was aboard Air Force 1. If you
00:21:10look back at the video from that day now, you can see how this
00:21:13clandestine mission played out. President Trump was seen
00:21:17boarding Air Force One at 8:24 p.m. local
00:21:20time on July 8th, but actually, according to the
00:21:23post, and you can see here, Trump and several of his aids were secretly
00:21:27shuttled minutes later onto this airport catering
00:21:30truck, which was elevated and positioned a door out of the
00:21:34view of the cameras. now the post
00:21:37reports that the president was on that catering truck when it pulled away
00:21:41from Air Force 1 at 8:30 p.m. secretly
00:21:44bringing him to a smaller plane, an air force
00:21:47C32A, making the air force one that ever thought he was
00:21:50a decoy that still had the reporters who thought the president
00:21:54had boarded that plane and who you see boarding right here on the right and
00:21:58some white house staff aboard. the Washington
00:22:01Post reports and I quote, the maneuver meant that the president's
00:22:05actual location was concealed from the American public and many
00:22:09senior US officials for hours. Air Force
00:22:12One then landed in the UK hours later. Now it's still
00:22:16not clear as the post notes tonight, how the president was...
00:22:20transported from that other secret plane back onto air
00:22:23force 1 after it landed. you see here the reporters captured the
00:22:27president getting off the plane that they thought he had just flown on with
00:22:31them to the UK and he's seen coming down the stairs just before
00:22:3511 p.m. after greeting American service members on the
00:22:38tarmac Trump got on the new Air Force One jet that's the one
00:22:42that was given to the president by the Qatari government and then he
00:22:46flew back to Washington. now the plane that he's
00:22:49getting on here... is not to be confused with the old Air Force 1 Decoy
00:22:53or the military plane that he flew on secretly, but it
00:22:56was when the president got back on this plane to fly home to the
00:22:59U.S. that he was asked by reporters why they had been
00:23:03told to lower their window shades on that first
00:23:06flight, which is extremely unusual and not typically something
00:23:09that happens for the press that sits on the right side of the plane, which is where
00:23:13that airport catering truck was now that you look back at that other video,
00:23:17but given what we know now, given the pictures that... you can see now, it
00:23:21makes what the president told reporters in that gaggle afterward all
00:23:25the more noteworthy.
00:23:28you're saying there wasn't a security concern, no they had us close our our
00:23:32window blinds, that
00:23:32was
00:23:36yeah, because uh, you're you
00:23:39know probably a dangerous sleep because of the sleep
00:23:43bags that we have to do anything that Iran was possibly
00:23:46thinking, I mean if they ask you to close your windows probably they feel that way. did
00:23:50ask me to close mine, but if they did i would have done it. were you aware of any credible
00:23:53threat by Iran against her? well, I have a threat all the time. I'm number one
00:23:57on their list before you, but if I go, you
00:24:01go. right, but was there today. perhaps perhaps someday
00:24:04you want to change professions.
00:24:08if I go, you go, though the president
00:24:11wasn't actually on the same plane as the reporters who were asking him that
00:24:15question, and when they asked him about why they had to lower their own shades and
00:24:19the president said well he wasn't told to lower his, well he was
00:24:23a secret plane, he was not on the same plane that those
00:24:26reporters and some white house staffers were flying
00:24:31the reporters who broke this story, washington post national security
00:24:34reporter Dan Lemot and
00:24:38remarkable scoop and very thorough reporting here,
00:24:41can you just kind of walk us through what you've learned
00:24:44here?
00:24:47Yeah, I mean, I think the the most significant piece here is... is that for
00:24:50weeks now, uh, the American public talking about the
00:24:54two Air Force One jets, uh, the newer one from
00:24:57Cutter and the older one from the last couple decades
00:25:01of operations. And in reality, the president was on neither plane.
00:25:05Uh, this came to the Post in part because, uh,
00:25:08individuals thought that there was a hole in public understanding here that
00:25:12needed to be clarified.
00:25:14I mean, it also just in terms of how they came up with
00:25:18this mean
00:25:20"you know, a big question is going to be how unprecedented this is, the
00:25:24idea that they would take the president, not only put him on an alternate
00:25:27aircraft, but use a catering truck at the
00:25:30airport uh, to do
00:25:33so.
00:25:36Yeah, you mean, you can see some creativity and ingenuity and how they were able to pull this
00:25:39off, and and you, I, I don't think there's any dispute here, I
00:25:43mean Iran is serious threat to the United States, Iran is a
00:25:46threat to senior US officials that predates the..."
00:25:50administration uh, there is cause for concern.
00:25:53It's unclear at the moment what exactly triggered them to
00:25:57take these uh extreme measures, um, but but
00:26:00either way, we we've gone about a... month now since it occurred and
00:26:04until today uh there was no public understanding of
00:26:07it. well, and you report that the defense secretary Pete
00:26:11Hegseth also boarded that C32A plane
00:26:14separately using external stairs, which means
00:26:18people could see him boarding it. uh, and you write that this is part of attempt to
00:26:21make the the flight appear typical. that's a plane that typically other VIPs,
00:26:25cabinet members, um, would fly on. do we know
00:26:29who else, if anyone was on that secret plane with? the
00:26:32president:
00:26:35i can't speak at the moment to the with any specificity to to who
00:26:39else was aboard that plane, but but yes, secretary
00:26:42Hegseth, I'm told uh went up the external
00:26:45stairs uh deliberately so uh as a
00:26:49part of a larger plan to make it look like he was the senior official on
00:26:52that plane uh the C32s that they used that day uh are
00:26:56commonly used the vice president uses them the president uses on
00:27:00occasion domestically uh i have flown on uh C-32s
00:27:04in the past with general officers, it's not uncommon uh to
00:27:08see VIPs on that plane uh, but but
00:27:11obviously when you have even the usage of an air force one call
00:27:15signed a plane that the president is not aboard in
00:27:18that moment, that's remarkable. well,
00:27:22and that's actually a really good point, because typically the understanding
00:27:26is that any plane, any aircraft the president is on is air force one
00:27:30or any helicopter that he's on, that's technically. marine one, but
00:27:33but you said that the one that he was actually flying on had a non-descript
00:27:37call sign, while the other plane that everyone thinks he's
00:27:40on is still considered in the still the call sign of air force
00:27:441.
00:27:47yes, that's right, and then as we kind of backtrack some of the publicly
00:27:50available flight tracker data on this, you have
00:27:53the newer jet from cutter that that landed with a
00:27:57relatively non-descript uh call sign, a couple hours in advance in
00:28:01Britain ' "the C-32
00:28:04simply did not show up in flight tracker data at all uh, at least in
00:28:08the publicly available information we had, and and the
00:28:12Air Force One jet landed with the Air Force One call sign
00:28:16despite the president not being aboard, that that there was a serious
00:28:19shell game of sorts that occurred there uh, to keep the
00:28:23president safe. And did were there white house staffers who
00:28:26were on the decoy air force 1 that also thought that the
00:28:30president was still on that plane?"
00:28:34"my understanding is there was some white house staff that did not know uh, this
00:28:38was kept close hold in a small group and
00:28:41obviously the white house press core which reported not only
00:28:45in that day but in the subsequent weeks as well uh that the president had
00:28:49traveled whole on the quote unquote old air force one that's simply not
00:28:53the case were told
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