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00:00:01as the post notes tonight, how the president was
00:00:04transported from that other secret plane
00:00:08back onto Air Force 1 after it landed, you see here the
00:00:11reporters captured the president getting off the plane that they
00:00:14thought he had just flown on with them to the UK and he seen
00:00:18coming down the stairs just before 11 p.m. after greeting
00:00:22American service members on the tarmac, Trump got on the
00:00:25new Air Force One Jet, that's the one that was given to the president by the
00:00:29Qatari. government and then he flew back to
00:00:32Washington. Now the plane that he's getting on here is not to be confused with
00:00:35the old Air Force 1 decoy or the military plane that he flew
00:00:39on secretly. But it was when the president got back on this plane
00:00:43to fly home to the US that he was asked by reporters
00:00:47why they had been told to lower their window shades on that first
00:00:51less this time, given flight, which is extremely unusual and not typically something
00:00:54that happens for the press that sits on the right side of the plane, which is where
00:00:58that airport catering truck was, now that you look back at that other
00:01:01video, but given what we know now, given the pictures that you can
00:01:05see now, it makes what the president told reporters and that gaggle
00:01:08afterward, all the more
00:01:10noteworthy. do you think there wasn't a security
00:01:14concern? no, no, do you know why they had
00:01:17us close our window blinds? that was enough,
00:01:20well yeah, because uh, you're
00:01:24you're probably a dangerous sleep because of the sleaze bags that we
00:01:28have to deal with. was possibly thinking, well I mean,
00:01:32if they ask you to close your windows, probably they feel the way, they did ask me to close
00:01:35mine, but if they did I would have done it. are you aware of any credible threat by
00:01:39Iran against her? I have a threat all the time, I'm number one on their
00:01:43list before you, but if I go you
00:01:46go, right? but was perhaps someday you want to
00:01:49change professions?
00:01:53If I go, you go. Though the president
00:01:56wasn't actually on the same plane as the reporters who were asking him
00:02:00that question, and when they asked him about why they had to lower their own shades,
00:02:04the president said, well he wasn't told to lower his, well he was a
00:02:08secret plane, he was not on the same plane that those reporters
00:02:12and some White House staffers were flying on. Joining me
00:02:15tonight is one of the reporters who broke this story, Washington Post National Security
00:02:19Reporter Dan Lamothe. And Dan, I mean, this is a
00:02:22remarkable scoop and very thorough reporting here.
00:02:26Can you just kind of walk us through what you've learned here?
00:02:32Yeah, I mean, I think the most significant piece here is that
00:02:35for weeks now, uh, the American public talking about the
00:02:39two Air Force One jets, uh, the newer one
00:02:42from Cutter and the older one from the last couple decades
00:02:46of operations, and in reality, the president was on neither plane.
00:02:49Uh, this came to the post in part because uh,
00:02:53individuals thought that there was a
00:02:56functioned, if there were problems at hole in public understanding here that needed to be clarified.
00:02:59I mean, it also just in terms of how they came up with
00:03:03this, I mean, you know, a
00:03:06big question is going to be how unprecedented this is, the idea that
00:03:09they would take the president, not only put him on an alternate aircraft,
00:03:13but use a catering truck at the airport, uh
00:03:17to do so.
00:03:20Yeah, you mean, you can see some creativity and ingenuity in how they were able to pull this
00:03:24off. And and I don't think there's any dispute here. I mean,
00:03:28Iran is serious. to the United States, Iran is a threat to
00:03:32senior US officials that predates this
00:03:34administration, uh, there is cause for concern.
00:03:38It's unclear at the moment what exactly triggered them to
00:03:42take these uh extreme measures, um, but but
00:03:45either way, we we've gone about a month now since it occurred, and
00:03:49until today, uh, there was no public understanding of
00:03:52it. Well, and you report that the defense
00:03:55secretary also boarded that C32A
00:03:59plane, separately, using external stairs, which
00:04:02means people could see him boarding it. And you write that this is part of
00:04:06an attempt to make the the flight appear typical. That's a plane that typically
00:04:09other VIPs, cabinet members would fly
00:04:12on. Do we know who else, if anyone, was on
00:04:16that secret plane with the
00:04:17president?
00:04:20I can't speak at the moment to the with any specificity to to who
00:04:24the European Union has its own rules on else was aboard that plane, but but yes, Secretary, I'm
00:04:28told, up the external stairs deliberately
00:04:32so, as a part of a
00:04:34the president of the party, think about it and work larger plan to make it look like he was the senior official on that
00:04:37plane. The C-32s that they used that day are
00:04:41commonly used. The Vice President uses them, the president uses
00:04:45on occasion domestically. I
00:04:47have flown on C32s in the past with general officers, it's
00:04:51not uncommon to see VIPs on that
00:04:54plane, but but obviously when you have even
00:04:58the usage of an Air Force One.
00:05:12after the president is on is Air Force One or any helicopter that he's on, that's
00:05:16technically Marine One. But but you said that the one that he was actually flying
00:05:20on had a non-descript call sign, while the other
00:05:23plane that everyone thinks he's on is still considered
00:05:26in the still the call sign of Air Force
00:05:29One.
00:05:32Yes, that's right. And then as we kind of backtrack some of the publicly
00:05:35available flight tracker data on this, uh, you had the
00:05:39uh nework jet, uh, from Cutter that that landed with a
00:05:42relatively non-descript uh call sign, a couple hours in advance in
00:05:46Britain. The C32
00:05:49simply did not show up in flight tracker data at all, at least
00:05:53in the publicly available information we had. And
00:05:56and the Air Force One jet landed with the Air Force One
00:05:59call sign despite the president not being aboard. That that there
00:06:03was a serious shell game of sorts that occurred there
00:06:06uh, to keep the president safe. And did
00:06:10were there White House staffers who were on the
00:06:12Air Force One that also thought that the president was still on that
00:06:16plane?
00:06:19My understanding is there were some White House staff that did not know. Uh, this
00:06:23was kept close hold in a small group and
00:06:27obviously the White House press core which reported not
00:06:30only that day but in the subsequent weeks as well, uh, that the president had
00:06:34traveled on the quote unquote old Air Force One, that's simply not
00:06:38the case, we're
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00:09:10the current political moment, police. allies, challenges in the functioning
00:09:12of the state,
00:09:15relations within the federation and the vision of Bosnia and Herzegovina after the elections
00:09:19in October, we talk with the president of the Party for Bosnia and
00:09:22Herzegovina, the mayor of the Sarajevo municipality of Novi Grad, Semir Efendić. Good
00:09:25day to you and welcome. Good day to you and the viewers of N1 television.
00:09:29I announced quite a few topics. Let's start with these
00:09:33high, high politics, as some call it, and
00:09:36the upcoming October elections. You are definitely a candidate for a member
00:09:40of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina, although many thought you would give up in
00:09:43that photo finish, uh, how do you view that election
00:09:47race that has not yet started, at least officially, and how
00:09:51do you evaluate your opponents' chances in this race? The Central
00:09:55Election Commission has verified the candidacies, so that matter is
00:09:58now official. Ballot papers are being prepared and will
00:10:02be printed for the October elections, so things concerning
00:10:05the candidacy are definitive. I have spoken several times before about
00:10:09the reasons for that candidacy. First
00:10:12of all, I would like the political will of the people in Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:10:16to be translated into our state system, for our system to work as
00:10:20the citizens want. Mm, I thought it was best to do it
00:10:24through mm... a candidacy for a member of the Presidency,
00:10:27considering that I am also the president of a political party and our citizens
00:10:30have the greatest, the greatest opportunity to show their political will by
00:10:34voting for members of the Presidency who have the largest electoral bases
00:10:38or units, in the case of the federation, so that is the entire
00:10:41federation, where two members are elected and members of the Presidency usually
00:10:45receive the largest number of votes, it exceeds 300 and sometimes even exceeds
00:10:49400,000 votes and so on. By giving
00:10:52support to these politicians, candidates... "citizens
00:10:55largely show their political will,
00:10:58however, our system still does not function in accordance with the political will
00:11:02of our citizens, because there is no such
00:11:05vertical from the Presidency to other levels of government for the system to do
00:11:09its job. It is expected that our health system will function, that
00:11:12our security system will function, that
00:11:16our school system, communal and all others will function. That is certainly the political will
00:11:19of our people, but it is not happening due to the complexity
00:11:22of the system and the inability to integrate processes
00:11:26at all levels from the Presidency to the cantonal. Given that you entered this
00:11:29race, do you think you can change any of that if
00:11:33you become part of that story, i.e., if you are elected as
00:11:36a member of the Presidency, how realistic is it to expect that one person in
00:11:40any position in this country today can change
00:11:44given precisely the mentioned system that exists
00:11:47in Bosnia and Herzegovina today? Not that I think so, I am completely convinced of it. I remind you,
00:11:51I am a political scientist by profession, so that is my expertise on how a political system
00:11:55should function, and I have a master's degree. We have been observing the
00:11:58situation for 30 years, and many have actually come with the idea of wanting
00:12:01to change things, but things remain as they are, even
00:12:05worse. People, often people don't know, those who take on that job, they don't even
00:12:09have a theoretical basis on how to establish a system, what are the foundations
00:12:12of its functioning. I say that I know that it is possible because
00:12:16before that I said from the role of the president of the party, which also has candidates for
00:12:20all other levels, I am running for the most important position, but it is very important that it
00:12:24be... a pyramid from top to bottom, so support does not only apply to
00:12:27the candidate for a member of the Presidency,
00:12:30but that we have a certain political strength within the parliaments, which will
00:12:34consequently mean within the executive branch. When
00:12:37things are set up that way within the system, it is certain that changes
00:12:41are possible. But we now have an anomaly, for example, that a member of the Presidency has no
00:12:44influence on the current member of the Presidency, absolutely no political
00:12:48influence in terms of a political party. Decisions on the most important processes
00:12:52in our country are made by citizens, made by some people who
00:12:56any support in the elections, because that is how it is. You know, in other countries it
00:12:59is often the practice that the most responsible people, party presidents, fight for the most important
00:13:03positions, and then by supporting them, citizens actually decide
00:13:06who they want as a political party in a certain
00:13:09system. Then the system must function
00:13:12in all its segments, that's why there must be
00:13:15political will. Again, I say the people are the ones who give political will with their
00:13:19votes. Someone who has received it from the people must not shy away
00:13:23from that responsibility, he must take on that responsibility and then systemically
00:13:27first establish the system and lead it in accordance with the will of the people.
00:13:30I say again, our great desire is for the judiciary to function,
00:13:34everyone certainly wants that, for healthcare to function. Neither one nor the other
00:13:37functions, and nothing will ever function anywhere in the world by
00:13:41itself, without this political will that pushes it from the top. It can
00:13:44only be that way. Yes, but we have in Bosnia and Herzegovina that tripartite political
00:13:48system. You commented and very often
00:13:51comment uh
00:13:55and messages from SNSD and HDZ. If these two parties
00:13:58again become, therefore an unavoidable factor in forming
00:14:02the government after October, how do you think anything can
00:14:05change, no matter who is from this side, for example,
00:14:09from the Bosniak corps as part of that government? I think that
00:14:12they primarily need an adequate political counterbalance, someone
00:14:16with whom they can play as they wish. I
00:14:20remind you, in this mandate it could have been without them, so there was a
00:14:24possibility, but..." for everything there are terms. After the elections themselves,
00:14:27the government could have been formed even without SNSD and without HDZ. This is something
00:14:31I warned all the presidents of the "troika" parties about from the beginning, who joined
00:14:35that government. We have now lost four years. Believe me, I knew at that
00:14:39moment when this government was formed that it would be this way. So, there don't have to be
00:14:42assumptions for something to be done somewhere, there must be an agreement, even SNSD
00:14:46and HDZ, if they enter the government and if they cannot
00:14:49enter that government without a third party, let's conditionally say, even without the Bosniak
00:14:53side, it must be sufficiently
00:14:56articulated so that it cannot be established without some basic agreements
00:15:00on what needs to be done in a given mandate. That was not done at
00:15:04the beginning, the opportunity was not used, especially
00:15:07because there was an alternative. So at a time when you have an alternative, the opposition
00:15:11from the RS entity, you choose SNSD, and you don't sign
00:15:15or agree on anything important with them, and you get what we got. I
00:15:18am convinced that if there was adequate political
00:15:21power on the side whose interest is the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
00:15:25these separatist intentions, the government cannot
00:15:28then be formed. But if that side gives in and enters into forming a government
00:15:32with those who openly work to realize their separatist
00:15:36goals, you get this. what you get. But it is definitely true that the government cannot
00:15:40be formed, neither SNSD nor HDZ can do it. After
00:15:43all, an absolute majority in the House of Representatives of the Parliament can be
00:15:46elected in the cantons where neither HDZ nor
00:15:50SNSD have any influence. So, 25 representatives can be elected. Would that actually lead
00:15:54Bosnia and Herzegovina, given the already present
00:15:57tensions and messages that come
00:16:00from the part where HDZ is in
00:16:03the majority, and from the Republic of Srpska, would that actually further
00:16:07radicalize the political situation? One should not worry about that, it cannot radicalize, but
00:16:11there must be a package of political agreements for what needs
00:16:15to be done. Both HDZ and SNSD are very interested in being part
00:16:18of the government, that is the opportunity to discuss with them
00:16:22how it will function and the mechanisms to
00:16:25ensure that it is true. But the fact is, for example, that when this current
00:16:28convocation of the Council of Ministers and this current
00:16:31coalition, which doesn't even exist, was formed, that for the first
00:16:35year it somehow functioned, and we also had those breakthroughs on the European
00:16:38path, some, conditionally speaking, good energy, then everything
00:16:42fell apart at once. It functioned as long as the process of appointing
00:16:46directors, board members, supervisory boards, and so on, lasted. Until then, they pretended that
00:16:50everything was functioning so that they wouldn't betray each other. No director can be appointed
00:16:53unless everyone votes for them, the troika and HDZ and SNSD in this
00:16:56case. And while they delivered everything to each other, while Dodik
00:17:00got the director of the Indirect Taxation Authority, while he
00:17:02got a new Minister of Finance, until then it seemed like he
00:17:06was doing something. However, after that, everything was completely
00:17:09blocked. What about other levels? Who prevents more efficient work
00:17:13in Sarajevo Canton? Who prevents the Federation or ministries within
00:17:16the Federation from doing their jobs more efficiently? So it's not all so that
00:17:20it can't be done, that things aren't set up the right way. Here's an opportunity
00:17:24to mention just one example. Bosnia and Herzegovina has a law on sports,
00:17:28adopted I think in 2008, proposed by SNSD
00:17:31personnel, and today not a single sports federation of Bosnia and
00:17:34Herzegovina has secured funds for its functioning. "We don't
00:17:38have secured funds for national teams' performances on the
00:17:41international stage. We cannot participate in any other way than as a national team. No
00:17:45athlete from Bosnia and Herzegovina, whether from Republika Srpska, whether from Western
00:17:49Mostar, or anywhere else, cannot participate or become relevant on
00:17:52the international stage in representative competitions,
00:17:56except through the national teams of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which are formed through
00:17:59umbrella federations. These federations have no money to function.
00:18:03At the same time, in the Ministry of Civil Affairs, there are funds
00:18:07for..." they are distributed through some public calls. I am convinced that it is
00:18:10possible, that there must be a will from all sides to
00:18:14secure funds for the functioning of umbrella sports
00:18:17federations in Bosnia and Herzegovina by this state, because no
00:18:21athlete from Bosnia and Herzegovina can perform anywhere except through sports
00:18:25federations at the state level. And therefore, the problem is not a lack of money, it
00:18:28exists in the Ministry of Civil Affairs, it is distributed to some clubs
00:18:31questionably due to what projects and for what reasons. At the same time,
00:18:35national or state federations have no money to function.
00:18:39So SNSD was once a party that proposed the law on sports, and
00:18:43the strategy for the development of sports in Bosnia and Herzegovina was adopted sometime in 2010 or
00:18:47a year before or after. To this day, we have no agreement
00:18:50on financing those federations. They are in everyone's
00:18:54interest. You cannot, therefore, if you do not want to secure funds for the functioning
00:18:57of the national federation, no athlete or even performances
00:19:01of our clubs in international competitions should not be supported by
00:19:04the state. It is in the interest of Zrinjski and Borac and... Sarajevo and Željezničar to
00:19:08be supported by the state. I haven't seen anyone
00:19:11put these questions on the agenda in this way, and in numerous other
00:19:15areas, but it must be clearly prepared before entering and forming
00:19:19any government. If you are still in a position, if you are still in a position
00:19:22to choose a partner, as was the case now and often it is
00:19:26so, if you are in a position to choose a political partner, then you are in a position to do much more than
00:19:30this. After all, when we talk about choosing, you criticize the troika,
00:19:34you criticize SNSD, you criticize HDZ, and you criticized
00:19:38the previous ones, so you didn't have too
00:19:41many positive words for them. Who do you see as
00:19:45potential partners with whom you would build Bosnia and Herzegovina as
00:19:48you want? Uh, it is important
00:19:52who, of course, and it is important who manages the processes, who leads the processes, whether
00:19:55within that circle where decisions are made there is someone who
00:19:58knows what the goal is, not just to grab positions
00:20:02and end everything there. We had such an opportunity, we knew that things could not be led
00:20:06that way, but we... but as an opportunity for the citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina, I, as
00:20:12on it so that we are as a party a sufficiently good
00:20:15alternative so that we don't think about with whom we will
00:20:18fare better. Of course, there are, last time we
00:20:21specifically proposed that the opposition from the RS entity be a partner, not
00:20:25SNSD as it is, or that we actually specifically demanded from
00:20:29SNSD the withdrawal of the law on state property, allowing
00:20:32the Bosnian language in schools in the entity, if it doesn't want any of that, there's no point in going further
00:20:36into those discussions. "I believe that political strength is
00:20:40what gives you the opportunity to get what is needed
00:20:44but it seems to me that you are somewhat quite alone, apart from
00:20:47this support from Pomak that you received as a candidate for a member
00:20:50of the Presidency, there are no other parties that
00:20:54share your views. In Republika Srpska, you will go to the elections independently,
00:20:58have you noticed that citizens are satisfied with what we have seen so
00:21:01far? We could just get lost in this grayness,
00:21:04continue to waste our lives without any
00:21:07results,
00:21:09uh, I told you that in the RS entity there are two political options, one is SNSD,
00:21:13the other are opposition parties. We, our, we are closer
00:21:17to what is the rhetoric and what are the actions of those
00:21:21for the Federation, there are many parties, uh,
00:21:24yes, but will that independent entry into the elections in Republika Srpska actually
00:21:28weaken the position of Bosniaks there, considering how few seats
00:21:32in parliament have been won so far by
00:21:35parties with a Bosniak prefix? Will it be even
00:21:41that stratification? We were part of that majority last
00:21:44time, but because of those who led that joint
00:21:47project, it happened that it completely failed. So
00:21:51the fact is that soldiers, a proud
00:21:54soldier of the Army of Republika Srpska, says that he
00:21:57is a representative of, he is actually today a representative of the movement for the state from the last
00:22:00elections. We believe that this is trading with the votes of returnees. We are not
00:22:04ready to trade with the support we receive there. Whatever support we receive, we
00:22:08will manage it in a way that we will truly represent those citizens on whose
00:22:11behalf we applied for the elections. And our only condition is that
00:22:15SDP participates in the RS entity, so SDP in the RS
00:22:18entity has destroyed pro-Bosnian politics
00:22:21and led to such a low turnout of the diaspora to
00:22:25register for elections in Bosnia and Herzegovina, helped
00:22:28SNSD in the beginning to get a fourth delegate whom it lost through a court case,
00:22:31from BH Telecom in Banja Luka it created an employment office for
00:22:35SDP personnel from Banja Luka who are not returnees at all, especially not
00:22:38Bosniaks. So we don't trust them, pro-Bosnian politics cannot be built with SDP
00:22:42in the RS entity. Why SDA agreed to that, we
00:22:46don't know, but we believed that citizens at least have the right to
00:22:49have a motive that this is not their
00:22:53only option, what they saw last time. Let's go from Banja Luka
00:22:56to Mostar, uh, you commented on the situation there as well,
00:23:00Mostar just doesn't seem to stop being a case study.
00:23:04Uh, do you think that the relations between Bosniaks and Croats, especially
00:23:07in Mostar, are worse than ten
00:23:11years ago, that these national tensions are rising year after year, even
00:23:14election years. For a long time, somehow Mostar is a problematic city,
00:23:17ten years ago Mostar did not have a mayor. I think that period
00:23:21lasted 10 years in Mostar there were no
00:23:23elections, it is simply visible that what is the statute of the city
00:23:27of Mostar proclaimed by the high representative in practice
00:23:31in reality does not function that is a big problem, this
00:23:34must be discussed at a serious political level to seek solutions,
00:23:37mm, what I regret is that the local
00:23:40self-government was abolished, Mostar had municipalities like Sarajevo, well at least they
00:23:46the city level in that part of jurisdiction that the city implements, they could...
00:23:50municipalities do their job, but what I see now, there are no municipalities
00:23:53and the city administration does not function as it should, as
00:23:57it was envisioned by the statute of the city of Mostar imposed by the high
00:24:01representative, but there were attempts, there were indications actually that
00:24:04a new statute would be adopted, it is obvious that whoever was in
00:24:08that city government, somehow what you mentioned
00:24:12earlier about positions is agreed upon, about the rest it's difficult, well, you see, through
00:24:16this landfill case, that a landfill that functions...
00:24:20absolutely without any ecological
00:24:22parameters, without what should be
00:24:26there to even be able to dispose of waste to people above or
00:24:29to a number of Mostar residents is next to their houses, they are protesting against it,
00:24:33today, the police are arresting them because they are trying to protect themselves from
00:24:36a landfill that has no mm
00:24:39ecological standards in its functioning, of course, on the other hand
00:24:42the city that has to solve the problem with waste disposal
00:24:46and there is no quality solution neither in terms of location nor
00:24:50the construction of a landfill that functions according to some
00:24:53minimal conditions that satisfy ecology, as with the landfill, you saw
00:24:57the situation with, or rather the public could see in the municipal
00:25:01company in numerous other areas, simply that city as it
00:25:04was conceived does not function, especially since the
00:25:07mayor started and established a
00:25:10majority, a simple majority in which there are no
00:25:13Bosniak representatives, then for those decisions that are made by a simple
00:25:17majority or what he does independently.
00:25:20"So imagine a city that builds a Croatian theater, as if only Croats
00:25:24live in it and these activities are supported by HDZ and
00:25:28the city administration of Mostar, is it a problem for
00:25:31Mostar to have a city theater,
00:25:34how can you define in the very name of the theater
00:25:38or whose theater it is, isn't it natural for a multiethnic city
00:25:42that has, besides Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs
00:25:45and many others to have a city one. He only has a Croatian one here, and
00:25:49how can a city function at all with such a policy,
00:25:52in which the one who is the mayor, who has the most authority,
00:25:56advocates such a policy, it's not just
00:25:59tense on the politics in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but it seems to me on
00:26:02a regional level, the recent visit of Aleksandar Vučić to Bugojno
00:26:06also caused numerous reactions and what followed it, uh,
00:26:10do you see any possibility
00:26:14of actually thawing relations
00:26:16between neighbors and neighboring countries when it comes to
00:26:20Bosnia and Herzegovina, given that the problem is not only on the
00:26:23Sarajevo-Belgrade line, but very often on the Sarajevo,
00:26:26Zagreb line, it seems that our neighbors have not
00:26:30given up on those policies from the 90s that were primarily to the
00:26:34territorial detriment of Bosnia and Herzegovina, so their
00:26:38policy today is very often directed at the same
00:26:41this arrival of Vučić, I don't have concrete information, I am not, of course,
00:26:45in foreign affairs or in diplomacy, whether he
00:26:48even expressed a desire, and I assume he may not have, to come to the capital, to come
00:26:52to Sarajevo, but all those who in this way intend to build
00:26:55relations with Bosnia and Herzegovina, I believe should not
00:26:59be allowed to. If they do not respect the capital of the state, if they do not
00:27:02respect the official state institutions and want to cooperate
00:27:06with some lower levels of government, then they cannot continue cooperation with state
00:27:09institutions. If that is their choice, let them continue cooperating with the entity, they cannot
00:27:13continue cooperation with the state as they have had so far, but I
00:27:16don't see that, I haven't seen that our presidency has seriously
00:27:20commented on Vučić's visit, where he stayed for several days, sending
00:27:23different, different this
00:27:26messages, I haven't seen any
00:27:29state-building state reaction from the level of the presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:27:33for what he week when he spent several days in
00:27:37the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and then the raid of the RS entity police into
00:27:40the territory of the Federation and all that that accompanied it, I think
00:27:43that it is, and it is certainly in the best interest of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, and Croatia to cooperate in
00:27:47all areas in economy,
00:27:50security, and everything else, when they will one day realize
00:27:54and start cooperating with state institutions when they see
00:27:57that there is no other way. If they cooperate with the entity, that is a reduction
00:28:01of cooperation between Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, but it's their choice. And
00:28:05geopolitical circumstances are rapidly changing,
00:28:08uh, it seems that the view of the world actually
00:28:11is becoming quite different than it was a year, two, or
00:28:15three years ago. Uh, is Bosnia and Herzegovina still in the focus
00:28:19of the world public, has domestic diplomacy managed to
00:28:23draw attention to Bosnia and Herzegovina, at least in part, as much as
00:28:26the footballers at the World Cup did, given the great
00:28:30interest of tourists, for example, in Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:28:33after the World Cup? How much of that was followed by domestic diplomacy? I think that
00:28:37Bosnia and Herzegovina is certainly not in the focus of the world public, this is due to all
00:28:41the problems that exist today in the Middle East, Southeast Europe,
00:28:44Ukraine, and so on. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not in that focus, but
00:28:48the memory has remained, of course, primarily in
00:28:51Europe, that there was a big hotbed here in the 90s, and
00:28:54a fear, a dose of fear that it could happen again sometime, that's why
00:28:58Europe will never stop paying attention to the developments here
00:29:02because it is their antechamber, no one wants a fire in their
00:29:05yard, because if there is a fire in the yard, it can reach the house, in that sense
00:29:09there is a kind of interest for sure, now how much Europe is
00:29:12able to articulate, take some concrete steps
00:29:16yet they are actively working to maintain some kind of stability, they are involved
00:29:20through how much America actually takes that
00:29:23primacy over political processes in Bosnia and Herzegovina in relation to Europe.
00:29:27For a long time, America held that primacy, but in cooperation with the European Union, they were completely
00:29:31aligned until... the last
00:29:34resolution or resignation of the high representative and the appointment of a new one, we first time
00:29:37have different views, so it's about the new
00:29:40American administration and the European Union, all previous, all previous
00:29:44American administrations uh had a completely identical
00:29:48approach in which sometimes Europeans, for practical reasons, left the
00:29:51leadership role to America to exert pressure on our
00:29:55representatives in various processes that were happening here, how long it will last I don't
00:29:59know, I know it's related to the new Trump administration.
00:30:03Yes, it is related to the South Interconnection project where an attempt is made to enter the European
00:30:06energy market through Bosnia and Herzegovina, and
00:30:09Europe, uh, seems to me to have succeeded in preventing the election of a high
00:30:13representative in its efforts
00:30:16to prevent a kind of what they consider
00:30:20unfair competition in the energy market in the European Union, Bosnia and Herzegovina is not yet
00:30:23a member of the European Union and
00:30:27how to trade energy and how to enter the
00:30:31EU market. Here it would be difficult for them to resist because through Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:30:34they enter with a gas pipeline that brings American gas, then
00:30:38probably thermal power plants would be built that would supply electricity
00:30:41to the European Union market and
00:30:45everything that was done with the southern interconnection is
00:30:48contrary to the norms of the European Union. And for that
00:30:51reason, I am convinced that the European Union this time
00:30:54has a different stance than the United States of America, where they are trying to
00:30:58protect European norms.