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00:00:08No one can block anyone here, right? And over there you're in love.
00:00:11HDZ trio or whatever it is
00:00:14there.
00:00:18Oh, come on, before the elections they weren't, and then afterwards everyone runs to see
00:00:22who will recommend themselves to whom. Forget it, for God's sake, that's their
00:00:26empty story that only simpletons fall for and...
00:00:30"the one who is lobotomized, in
00:00:32Republika Srpska everyone knows who rules, meaning
00:00:35agriculture which they neglect constantly, but
00:00:39constantly, and now we're talking, we need this, we need that,
00:00:43every, every normal community, call it a municipality,
00:00:46call it an entity, call it a state, uh,
00:00:50does something within its jurisdiction so it can have
00:00:53food, so its distribution channel isn't long, so it has
00:00:57food in its immediate surroundings, potable..." That's what the man from your report said nicely, whoever
00:01:01doesn't have that, they are, you can't even
00:01:05uh, they are on say, even a fool, but they should be hanged as
00:01:09an example, because that's what we need, that's what
00:01:13we live from, that's what gives you
00:01:15existence, that's what's done, why is it done?
00:01:19The authorities don't care at all that food will come, excellent,
00:01:23it comes from imports, they charged indirect
00:01:26taxes, they charged everything, just let the budget be filled. "Let
00:01:30us have something to spend, where do those revenues come from,
00:01:33who cares,
00:01:35relies on those imports, on look, please, at the last indicators, a drop in exports,
00:01:39industrial production, everything, then
00:01:42they boast about the growth of the average salary, whose
00:01:45average salary? The fact that you increased salaries with your
00:01:48act where possible, you increased
00:01:52salaries, industrial production fell, and now you're
00:01:55telling me that this is a sustainable system? Of course it's
00:01:58unsustainable." What the government in
00:02:01Bosnia and Herzegovina also likes
00:02:05to boast about is a small number
00:02:08of kilometers of highway that are built, seven
00:02:11specifically on Corridor
00:02:13the industrial city, 5c, which is 250 km
00:02:16of highway in 25 years, and
00:02:19a record 2.1 billion
00:02:23euros has been spent. Can we, will we ever
00:02:26succeed in estimating, finding out, uh...
00:02:30how much of that went into the pockets of officials at
00:02:34various levels of government?
00:02:38Uh, you know what, I was in my prime years, this, when they
00:02:41started that, now we will, then now it will, then
00:02:45old age caught up with me
00:02:48in yet another of
00:02:50the promises that it will be by this year, by that
00:02:54year, I think that I will be cremated or
00:02:58buried before that happens. It won't, just as
00:03:02no one will audit all those projects,
00:03:05to see what the real price is, what is inflated,
00:03:09as, uh, all of them know well, both
00:03:12the current government and the current opposition,
00:03:16when they were together, separately,
00:03:20everything else, that I remember their
00:03:24everything has boiled down to deals, schemes, how
00:03:26envelopes and huge wads of cash in huge envelopes
00:03:30were carried so that the authorities wouldn't notice, it goes from one gas station to
00:03:34another gas station and so on.
00:03:37They know that, I know, not to mention, if you go
00:03:41on those highways, in most cases you will see so many
00:03:45illogicalities that it's terrifying, meaning
00:03:48that bad material was built in,
00:03:51that something wasn't done well,
00:03:54so we will
00:03:56fix it. No one will ever be held accountable for that, but...
00:04:00"we'll now listen for the elections, great
00:04:02ones, not to mention these roads that lead
00:04:06nowhere, well built, but now
00:04:09there's nothing built, you don't know where to
00:04:12go next, so we will again hear about record
00:04:16achievements, about how much was built, and
00:04:20that the former ones didn't do this, and those over there didn't do that,
00:04:24but now when it starts, I don't know, there will even be
00:04:28a spaceport, yes."
00:04:30"Empty promises are made that we have from cycle to
00:04:33cycle, but something is new, at the same time
00:04:37now we also have video clips of politicians on social
00:04:40networks, which are somehow commented on the most out
00:04:44of all pressing problems, far
00:04:47more, is that a thought-out strategy
00:04:50of diverting attention from the essence,
00:04:53or is it just
00:04:56their spontaneity and relaxation in communication?".
00:05:00And how do you comment on, for example, the video clips of the head
00:05:03of diplomacy, the mayor of a Sarajevo
00:05:06municipality? when you don't know how to
00:05:10do anything, when you're... imitatively
00:05:13educated, when you don't want to
00:05:17roll up your sleeves and solve real problems, then you
00:05:20take pictures with all sorts of things, here I was
00:05:24I could have died not knowing that the Kosovo covenant is held in
00:05:27hand, that Lazar
00:05:30has anything to do with Banja Luka, I could have died, I wouldn't have known
00:05:34that, this, of course,
00:05:37such stupidity that one doesn't know what to say,
00:05:40I mean... for example,
00:05:42that mixing of
00:05:45what and what, absence of knowledge, elementary
00:05:49knowledge, general education, then
00:05:52of course pictures follow, because they like, uh, these
00:05:56uh, I mean, also semi-educated and their
00:05:59voters, just let something happen, let there be a cooperative,
00:06:03because that reminds me, you know, of a cooperative,
00:06:06a farm, couples or whatever else there is from
00:06:09those reality shows, that's it. "But
00:06:13they are on that intellectual level,
00:06:18the level of watching those
00:06:21reality shows, morally, about morality, please,
00:06:25I won't even talk about that, it doesn't exist, it's abolished by law
00:06:28here, uh, so nothing surprises me, I just say
00:06:33my life passed by skipping those
00:06:35stupidities, right? I
00:06:39brain cell to die
00:06:41watching." such scenes, but if you
00:06:44ask them, tell me the data
00:06:47on the percentage of absolute relative
00:06:50poverty in the country, do you know how
00:06:54foreign trade stands, do you know
00:06:57perhaps, uh, how industry stands, how
00:07:01will you solve social issues, why from there is no
00:07:04answer, it's immediately another monument or another
00:07:08video clip, I mean, which is
00:07:10scandalous.
00:07:13Yes, but society doesn't
00:07:16react adequately, not like a European civil
00:07:19society should react, it passively
00:07:23observes everything around it, uh, and the peak
00:07:27of our rebellion is leaving an angry smiley face on the minister's
00:07:31profile, uh, when will that
00:07:34change?
00:07:36Well, I don't know, I said that a long time ago, when everything falls apart, then we will
00:07:40start over, because there's no other
00:07:43solution than to patch up this something that is nothing with
00:07:46the same people, with the same everything, well, that
00:07:50is a formula for absolute
00:07:53failure, which is inevitable, we are patching this up now, but
00:07:57it will fall apart anyway and it has to fall apart so that we can
00:08:01start over, because with such people, with such
00:08:05a level, in quotation marks,
00:08:09we have no chance of a dawn, but you know... There's
00:08:12that saying, "to each saint
00:08:16meaning, to each saint their own prayer, what kind
00:08:19of saint, such a prayer,
00:08:21that is, uh, you offer
00:08:25a certain prayer, so that's how we are, what kind
00:08:28of voters, such a government, and but
00:08:32when I look at what's being offered now in the elections,
00:08:36well, I don't know, you really have to be a super genius to
00:08:39choose what you'll even color
00:08:42that square for and who to trust,
00:08:46because everyone has betrayed, everyone, there's no party
00:08:50that has shown that it really wants something,
00:08:54that it wants to change, that it's different,
00:08:57that, well, however it sounds to
00:08:59us, or don't just
00:09:02convince me that I don't know
00:09:06things from the inside, because I know things
00:09:08from the inside very well, uh, anyone who wants to do something
00:09:12will show by their example and draw the attention of
00:09:16others, however, there is
00:09:18no party that is democratically
00:09:21structured and that really wants to change something,
00:09:25we've seen that, they've been replaced, so
00:09:29my God, if someone
00:09:32talks to me about the opposition in Republika Srpska, well,
00:09:35they are disunited, they are divided, thereby showing how much they
00:09:39care about changes, not to mention how many of
00:09:42them jumped to the other camp
00:09:46for the sake of interests and so on, so from such people I really can't
00:09:50expect better, everything here has to
00:09:53collapse, I say, I am happier every day that
00:09:57we are close to that day and to start
00:09:59over, because there is no other way, otherwise,
00:10:03what else can happen, what scenario?
00:10:06These who are now foolishly spending, doing nothing, no
00:10:10responsibility for what they are doing, that is,
00:10:14they are doing, doing either crime or whatever, uh,
00:10:17will, when
00:10:21money completely runs out, they will go with a candle to look
00:10:25for someone who will make something again so that
00:10:28money can start flowing again,
00:10:32of course, you, we all know how that
00:10:36ends, that's why I say, I hope, maybe I'm too
00:10:39still, my hope is enormous that
00:10:43all this will collapse, as we say here, so that we can
00:10:47go, people, and rebuild it nicely
00:10:50from scratch, yes, but what awaits us again and... "It's
00:10:54like that in
00:10:56every election cycle, pre-election
00:11:00campaigns of empty promises, we already said that,
00:11:04we'll hear a lot, in about ten days when it all
00:11:07starts, but it has already started a long time ago in our country, uh, but
00:11:11let's go back to the essence, is there any money in the budgets at all
00:11:15for anything else besides salaries, oversized
00:11:19administration and payment of
00:11:22loan installments, no matter who wins in..." in
00:11:25October?
00:11:28No, because, as I told you, it can't, the system is unsustainable where
00:11:32your exports and industrial production are falling, and you
00:11:35artificially raise salaries and
00:11:39benefits, you haven't taken care of this so that it's a sustainable
00:11:42system, uh, you completely don't care whether,
00:11:45uh, that what the revenues
00:11:49are from exports and from indirect
00:11:52taxes, and...
00:11:55where, uh, most, let's say,
00:12:00that, we'll collect, what does it matter that it's not
00:12:03VAT from domestic production? So, for them, it's only important
00:12:07to get some kind of budget filling, what is the
00:12:10structure of those revenues, from what, how, what is the
00:12:13structure of the gross domestic product? They absolutely don't
00:12:17care about that, I believe most of them don't even know what that is, whether it's eaten,
00:12:21drunk, that, so I expect nothing.
00:12:25Except these who come next in
00:12:28the federation, probably the structure will be
00:12:32a little different, uh, they will talk about
00:12:35some former ones who, look what they did,
00:12:39although that's a miss, we always had this jumping, current,
00:12:43former, current, former, everyone has
00:12:45shown themselves, but there will be talk about that former one, what
00:12:49awaits us, a hot autumn of elections awaits
00:12:52us, then uh... there will be
00:12:56talk until the formation of government
00:12:58coalitions where those who until yesterday said
00:13:02"never" will now say "I will" because
00:13:05you don't understand what politics and public interest are,
00:13:09here public interest does not exist, only
00:13:12private interest, so let's call things by their real name, they will go from
00:13:15private interests into rotten combinations,
00:13:18then the establishment of a new government, and that new government
00:13:21will spend months of our lives, if not...
00:13:25longer, replacement appointment replacement
00:13:27appointment, during that time no one will deal with
00:13:31things we live from, and what can you then
00:13:34expect? Then another loan installment will
00:13:37come, let's borrow again to pay it off, and again that
00:13:41story, we had this as a legacy in Republika Srpska, it will
00:13:45be similar, that
00:13:49candidate, that's new in the upcoming
00:13:51elections, Dragan Đović was also in the last elections, well, he wasn't
00:13:55in the last ones, not now, so what, that's my next
00:13:59next question, is that the real beginning of political
00:14:03retirement or uh, just a departure into the shadows
00:14:07from which he will manage all
00:14:10processes both in Republika Srpska and in Bosnia and
00:14:13Herzegovina. I won all bets with that
00:14:17story when they shouted "he's done" that he's not done, that
00:14:21it's completely irrelevant. He formally has no function, but he is
00:14:25the owner of everything, decides everything, is asked about
00:14:28everything, uh, now it's already a family
00:14:32business, that, so I don't know, I don't understand
00:14:36what political retirement is being talked about, there needs to
00:14:39be a bit of a bigger tremor, as you can see,
00:14:42there's intensive lobbying, intensive
00:14:45work is being done to make things appear different
00:14:48and similar things, so I don't see
00:14:52that political retirement, this
00:14:54that... some statements are being made, look, they are not
00:14:58candidates, we managed to get Čović and Dodik
00:15:01off the list, well, Čović wasn't even in the last elections, did
00:15:05that diminish his power? Well, you ran to those same people
00:15:09who are now making those statements, they ran to that same Čović
00:15:12and that same Dodik, they ran
00:15:16and they will run, let's say right away, in that
00:15:20formation of coalitions, in making rotten
00:15:23compromises and everything else. So, there's no political retirement
00:15:26yet, no, simply no, as long as
00:15:30there's money from which votes will be paid,
00:15:34people, buying people, no.
00:15:39And does the opposition in Republika
00:15:42Srpska have any weight? You've already talked about that,
00:15:46uh, will they succeed in this performance, even though they seem,
00:15:49even before the elections, very chaotic, to unite
00:15:53and uh,
00:15:57come before the citizens and, uh,
00:15:59solve these accumulated problems, which
00:16:03they have been promising us for years?
00:16:06Well, you know what... "I think the opposition in Republika Srpska currently only relies
00:16:10on scanners and the fact that there is huge
00:16:13dissatisfaction, uh, that,
00:16:16I would say, the increasingly difficult life of
00:16:19citizens, so they will direct, as it were, towards them,
00:16:22however, given that they are divided, I don't know
00:16:26what the expectations are, further, what do you call opposition? Stanivuković,
00:16:30certainly not, uh,
00:16:33just like a circle of people around him certainly are not.
00:16:36What do you call opposition, I don't know,
00:16:39when many of them are both there and there,
00:16:43then you have from Belgrade, everyone is fawning over
00:16:46Vučić, Jelena is fawning over Vučić,
00:16:50Stanivuković is fawning over Vučić,
00:16:52Dodik, we already know what their relations are like, no matter
00:16:56how much they talk, they are in conflict, but their interest,
00:17:00interest holds them more than any glue and
00:17:02love, only Nebojša
00:17:05Vukanović exists who, uh, is not,
00:17:09I say, not an admirer of Vučić,
00:17:12Aleksandar Vučić, but Vukanović is
00:17:16alone in all of this, and another thing, Vukanović
00:17:20will always be remembered for
00:17:22having held hands with those same people, they were
00:17:26the opposition, there was great love, that he
00:17:29attacked anyone
00:17:33who said something was wrong or offered some
00:17:36criticism. "Then he fell out with
00:17:39everyone, now they are no longer the same, now
00:17:42there's an onslaught of criticism worse than anything I
00:17:46have ever said, for example, on the topic of
00:17:49the opposition, so I'm afraid he won't have
00:17:53much success in that, him as
00:17:56a candidate, even though he has some sympathy
00:18:00from people, well, at least he says something, he has the courage to
00:18:03say it, but everything else is divided
00:18:06and..." is one foot with Vučić, and the other
00:18:10foot with Dodik, or both feet
00:18:12here, that's why I say I'm
00:18:16very skeptical, I would
00:18:18like to see what it is they say
00:18:22will be different, what they offer, how it looks,
00:18:26however, you know, no party anymore,
00:18:30no matter how we were in the past, but parties seriously
00:18:33organized, or however much they respected, but at least they seriously organized
00:18:37trainings for their candidates,
00:18:41then seriously, more seriously
00:18:43approached the development of some programs,
00:18:46economic, this, that, well, now no one does that, they just come out
00:18:50and shout, long live the state, long live the Serbian
00:18:54people, we Croats
00:18:56are endangered, we want an electoral unit, that's it,
00:19:01that, yes, it seems as if the cadres
00:19:05were serious, what... do you predict
00:19:08for the Trojka coalition, just to summarize at the end
00:19:12what will happen in the Federation of Bosnia and
00:19:16Herzegovina?
00:19:18Uh, sometimes the cadres, you know, no matter how much we
00:19:22criticized them, now they look like puppets, dear puppets, what
00:19:25kind of how now, I always ask
00:19:29that same question, I've been asking it for years, what do you have in
00:19:33your warehouse, for God's sake, when this is your display window, you know, in the display window
00:19:36you go with... the most beautiful, the best, if this
00:19:40is the most beautiful and the best, for
00:19:43shelves, somewhere on a shelf, that,
00:19:46what do you predict in the federation, well,
00:19:50the troika, let's just remember that the SDP
00:19:54lost 100,000 votes, then when they betrayed expectations,
00:19:57promises, uh, it's the same way now, they can be,
00:20:01now they will, I think they will be well punished,
00:20:04uh, all of them because... "There was a lot
00:20:08of hope that they would be different, they didn't
00:20:11prove to be an iota different, better
00:20:15or anything, this, and they even in a shorter
00:20:18period did things that
00:20:21they condemned in, I don't know, SDA or so, so
00:20:25this, you know, there will be
00:20:28a fall, but there will be government formation, I don't
00:20:32know, maybe some high representative will appear again and push
00:20:35it, maybe the constitution." will be suspended again, maybe they will
00:20:39decide that, I don't know, April will be in December,
00:20:43December in July, I don't know, I mean,
00:20:46that can happen, because only that miracle can help.
00:20:50"Given that I don't see any other miracles except increasing
00:20:54fragmentation, more and more rotten
00:20:57combinations, coalitions and the like,
00:21:00I think the only constant there is the HDZ in
00:21:04the sense that they will certainly have
00:21:07votes, how many we will see, but that they will
00:21:10participate in the government, I believe that, just as
00:21:14SNSD will be there, and everything
00:21:17else." Believe me, it's questionable who will, how much, and
00:21:21what, yes, what is certain is that
00:21:25young people are leaving us, whole families
00:21:28from the country, everyone is buying a one-way
00:21:32ticket, wanting to secure a better life for themselves, which we will still have to wait for
00:21:36in Bosnia and Herzegovina, it's always a pleasure
00:21:39to have you as a guest, thank you for your analysis this
00:21:42morning, thank you for the invitation, I wish you
00:21:46success in your work, I wish everyone good health,
00:21:50above all, you will need it, yes, good
00:21:53health, that's the most important thing for us, Svetlana Cenić,
00:21:56economist, was our guest in the past few minutes,
00:21:59quickly, on current topics and guests, friend of the show
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00:23:42We return to the show New
00:23:44Day. Friend of the show
00:23:47General Hospital Medicana Sarajevo. The documentary film, "It Will Be a Champion Again,"
00:23:51by authors Ibrahim
00:24:06Muratović and Dino Kurbegović, will be
00:24:09shown today, uh, to the general
00:24:12public. About the emotional and
00:24:15dramatic story of Zenica's Čelik,
00:24:18we will talk further, our
00:24:21guests are the authors of the documentary, good morning and welcome. Good morning, thank you for
00:24:25the invitation. I said, "It will be a champion again," that's the title of the film, but the subtitle bears
00:24:29uh the story, the story of a club
00:24:32that didn't want to die. From the authors' perspective,
00:24:36this was truly a long and dramatic
00:24:39story, both for Čelik fans and for all Zenica residents and Bosnians and
00:24:42Herzegovinians. From your conversations with
00:24:46interviewees, what was it in critical moments
00:24:49that decided uh and was that crucial
00:24:52spark that saved Čelik from
00:24:56disappearing? Well, if I may start,
00:24:59so, uh, we, looking at all
00:25:03that firsthand, especially my colleague
00:25:06Dino, who is truly, we can say, when it comes to
00:25:09Zenica affairs, somehow
00:25:12the most passionate follower,
00:25:16that is, chronicler of everything related to
00:25:19Čelik, it was truly an agony
00:25:22of many years
00:25:26in that many-year
00:25:30existence of a club burdened
00:25:33with all possible problems, from financial,
00:25:36personnel, mm, most of all, somehow,
00:25:40as our interviewees told us, the trust of the fans
00:25:43was lost at one point, but they did not abandon the club,
00:25:46they taught a very important lesson to everyone, we can say, that
00:25:50it was actually, as one of our interviewees
00:25:53said, the street, in quotation marks,
00:25:56not in a negative sense, but the street created
00:25:59the club, the street saved it, and it was the one that gave the most help
00:26:03when it was most needed, actually those hardcore fans,
00:26:07to call them that, who don't care who they play against,
00:26:10don't care where they play, whether it's Old
00:26:14Trafford or, I don't know, Vareš somewhere in the cantonal league,
00:26:18but they come to all those matches because they come there
00:26:21for Čelik. On the other hand, at
00:26:25that moment when the club itself was
00:26:28on the verge of extinction, they
00:26:30decisively stood up in its defense. And today,
00:26:34six years after those darkest
00:26:38moments, even when there was corona and all that, we have a
00:26:41club that has jumped those three leagues, that has
00:26:45returned, that plays in its full stadium, mm, which
00:26:49no debts in which everything that is promised is
00:26:52fulfilled, and we can truly say, if you
00:26:56asked about what was crucial, that it was truly
00:26:59that one hard-to-describe.
00:27:02"we tried to describe it in the film, but it's a hard-to-describe, hard-to-
00:27:05explain fan passion and love, which at
00:27:09this moment, simply because it had no
00:27:13boundaries, there was no fear, people even faced threats,
00:27:16blackmail, some physical
00:27:20attacks, but they never once thought that
00:27:23that fight was lost, and
00:27:26well, our shared, well, happiness
00:27:30mm we have that "happy end" in our film,
00:27:34yes. You emphasized that
00:27:37this is not a classic sports documentary from your presentation, we
00:27:41managed to conclude that, Mr.
00:27:44Kurbegović, how much of this story is about Zenica itself,
00:27:48uh, its working-class identity,
00:27:51precisely about this fact that Čelik
00:27:54in this city is more than a football club. Well, yes,
00:27:57when you mention Zenica, it's known what the first two
00:28:01associations are. "It has always been KP Dom and the football club
00:28:05Čelik, that is, this Zenica Ironworks, which, as we can
00:28:09see, in recent months, what is happening,
00:28:13that people have lost their jobs, that
00:28:16so to speak, is slowly transforming into something
00:28:19else, so that Čelik remains only a
00:28:23football club. In this regard, we tried to
00:28:26convey through university professors
00:28:30this one story about the city." About Čelik.
00:28:33Yes, Čelik must not die out. Čelik as
00:28:37Čelik, our interlocutors will see this
00:28:40in the film, what all happened there, mm,
00:28:44it's not just a sports story, this is something more than that,
00:28:48and that's why we want everyone to watch it,
00:28:51all those who want to learn something new
00:28:54about Zenica, not just about the club, about
00:28:58people, ordinary people who are this...
00:29:03who work in Zenica, who spend their whole lives in
00:29:06Zenica, but who are connected to that stadium, to that
00:29:10football club for decades, and as
00:29:13our one former this one who is not with us,
00:29:16this actor says, if you destroy Čelik,
00:29:20you have destroyed this city as well, those are the words
00:29:24of our Haris Burina, this one who
00:29:27also appears, this his mural in the film,
00:29:30so that's it, that's... identification with
00:29:34the city. Čelik is identification and
00:29:36believe me, I'm speaking from my personal experience, if Čelik
00:29:40had been shut down, I personally wouldn't see myself in the
00:29:44city where I've lived for 41 years, it's
00:29:47simply something that cannot be described, something that
00:29:50is born in you from
00:29:53from the first year, you start with
00:29:57it, you fall in love with it, then it
00:30:00goes from generation to generation, we tried to portray this
00:30:04in the film through the interlocutors, through the fans,
00:30:07one fan, to reveal,
00:30:10here, who has been blind for 40, 50
00:30:13years, but who goes to every Čelik match
00:30:16in Zenica, who has his
00:30:20companion, a 20-year-old boy who
00:30:23commentates the matches live for him, truly an
00:30:26incredible story, incredible
00:30:29footage, and I believe that we will reach
00:30:33every citizen, even those who don't support
00:30:37that club, but who will be particularly inspired
00:30:40by that story. Yes, a very emotional story, and uh
00:30:44truly, Čelik has fans,
00:30:47such as some famous world
00:30:50clubs have, uh, unfortunately
00:30:53in Zenica, the production of Čelik is almost
00:30:56shut down. Fortunately, that didn't happen, uh...