Bosnia and Herzegovina: N1 Bosnia and Herzegovina

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00:00:00recognized the Republic of Srpska? What if Dodik really fulfills all his
00:00:03threats and declares secession?
00:00:16Let's consider them one by
00:00:18one.
00:00:22If Israel recognized it, it would cause serious
00:00:25problems, given that they do not
00:00:28else can be done at recognize Palestine, how could they then recognize? The Republic
00:00:30of Srpska if they do not allow the recognition
00:00:34of Palestine. The same applies to Russia. Let's say Russia claims
00:00:38that Ukraine is theirs. Would they really be
00:00:41happy, or satisfied, if the Republic of Srpska was
00:00:45recognized? I highly doubt it. That would be inconsistent with
00:00:49their policy towards Ukraine. As for
00:00:52Hungary,
00:00:55Hungary should be constrained by the policy of the European
00:00:58Union, which is against recognition, I have no doubt
00:01:02about that, so, even those countries you
00:01:05mentioned, I have doubts about that,
00:01:08however, when and if secession occurs, let's be
00:01:11clear, it will be
00:01:14done violently,
00:01:15način,
00:01:19this also applies to the recognition of the Republic of Srpska, no one
00:01:22should imagine that the Republic of Srpska could secede
00:01:25peacefully, that will not happen, there will be people who
00:01:29oppose it, and those who oppose it will take up arms,
00:01:33and the Republic of Srpska has clearly stated that it will try to
00:01:36defend itself.
00:01:40So, what you need for war are two warring sides
00:01:43and that is very clear for Bosnia and Herzegovina.
00:01:47In fact, there would be three in Bosnia, but at least two warring
00:01:50sides are needed for war. These days
00:01:53the Minister of Defense of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Helez,
00:01:57is practically calling Dodik to start the secession
00:02:00and says there is a plan B, go,
00:02:03you'll see how you'll end up, and what
00:02:07to achieve do these threats mean now, these
00:02:10calls for Dodik to start the secession,
00:02:16which, I repeat, Adnan, you see, first of all, I think that
00:02:18uh, I can't call him mister anymore,
00:02:20uh, Mr.
00:02:23Dodik,
00:02:26put more emphasis on at all at this moment does not want to go into
00:02:30the secession of the Republic of Srpska, this
00:02:33he is doing is again part of
00:02:36a long-term plan and he often
00:02:39emphasizes that all of this is a plan
00:02:42and a process to
00:02:45prepare things for a certain moment
00:02:49when it will happen. What worries me more
00:02:52is that this is now happening in
00:02:55pairs, that it should all
00:02:58go in stages, again
00:03:01I repeat, I would like that when we meet again in a couple of years,
00:03:05I will not be right here,
00:03:08I think that they focus much more on
00:03:11systematic work that will proceed in phases
00:03:14in a three-part
00:03:18arrangement of Bosnia and Herzegovina through three
00:03:21entities, which means, we all know in
00:03:25the end what the next
00:03:29few years would mean,
00:03:32so I am quite convinced,
00:03:35especially knowing these elements that the professor also
00:03:39spoke about, the official American administration,
00:03:43this official part, this
00:03:46established diplomatic practice and, uh,
00:03:50it, it still stands on clear
00:03:53positions, territorial integrity,
00:03:56sovereignty and independence of Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:04:00within the framework of the Dayton, Dayton
00:04:03Agreement and that framework. And for them, peace and
00:04:06stability are most important at this moment.
00:04:09However, dissonant tones come
00:04:13And that they would demand his head on precisely from these other centers that are currently
00:04:16lobbied, and they should not be ignored
00:04:19at all, and that's the problem now. Sarajevo
00:04:22needs to be seriously concerned
00:04:25and prepare how to respond to
00:04:28these challenges, to conclude,
00:04:32I do not believe
00:04:35that at this moment there are conditions for
00:04:39the secession of the Republic of Srpska from Bosnia and
00:04:41Herzegovina. Is this a phase towards
00:04:44that? Well, now everything is... I started
00:04:48this conversation with you, crisis is
00:04:51an opportunity, gentlemen, take this
00:04:54opportunity, prepare yourselves, get ready
00:04:57and you know what you have to do.
00:05:04Do your part, and they are busy with their pre-election
00:05:08campaign, that's right, that's exactly what I want to say, here the elections are the main topic.
00:05:21That's that's that's a patriotic approach, right? Is that a patriotic
00:05:24approach? I am a Bosnian-American, but
00:05:28I am a Bosnian. That's right, absolutely, I absolutely
00:05:32agree with you. Yes, now it is completely clear
00:05:36why there is, why the strategic
00:05:39partnership has been developing and maintained all these years, Čović to...
00:05:42Dodik, HDZ, SNSD, at the same time when Dodik
00:05:45intensifies actions, and prepares
00:05:49practically for secession,
00:05:51HDZ, more openly than ever,
00:05:54demands a third entity, a Croatian entity. For a Croatian
00:05:58entity to be formed, another
00:06:01Bosniak entity must be formed, is that actually the goal of all this? And I think
00:06:05it is very important, professor, that you also answer this
00:06:08question, that a Bosniak
00:06:11ghetto, a Muslim ghetto,
00:06:14be created in Bosnia and Herzegovina, on the territory of actually
00:06:18Bosnia and Herzegovina, or actually all
00:06:21this Islamophobic talk about
00:06:25the threat of a Muslim threat to Christians in Bosnia
00:06:28and Herzegovina, and so on, in that
00:06:31context.
00:06:36Professor,
00:06:39yes, I think it is, it always has been. It was like that
00:06:42during
00:06:43the war too.
00:06:47Americans, as we always say publicly, we support
00:06:51a multiethnic, democratic Bosnia and Herzegovina,
00:06:54but we also say that we want to avoid
00:06:58the creation of a diminished Islamic
00:07:02Bosnia that would be a platform for
00:07:04terrorism.
00:07:08And that still represents a legitimate concern. A
00:07:12diminished Muslim Bosnia would not be
00:07:15a Bosnia that would love people like
00:07:18Arnan Hadrović, that would be some other Bosnia and
00:07:22Herzegovina, and such a Bosnia would pose a threat
00:07:25to both Croatia and Serbia. And
00:07:29during the war, the reason why Tuđman
00:07:33agreed to a federation and
00:07:35or after a federation that never materialized, so the reason why he agreed
00:07:39to a federation was that
00:07:42he did not want to see the formation of that diminished Islamist
00:07:46Bosnia, and as for the Serbs, their
00:07:49side, the reasons that I never understood,
00:07:52Milošević did not take that threat seriously,
00:07:56I can tell you that since the end of the war, whenever I met
00:07:59with
00:08:01Serbian
00:08:04uh foreign policy officials, I spoke
00:08:07about it and said it represents a concern, they said,
00:08:11of course.
00:08:14There is no division of Bosnia
00:08:17that would pose a greater threat to Croatia and
00:08:21Serbia than the unified Bosnia that exists
00:08:24today. A united Bosnia that exists today
00:08:27is a country that is moving towards Europe.
00:08:31It is a country that wants to join NATO. It is not a country
00:08:35that poses a threat to Croatia or
00:08:37Serbia.
00:08:39Or Zagreb or Belgrade. They know that.
00:08:45And frankly speaking, I don't believe that Vučić
00:08:49would welcome the declaration of independence
00:08:52of the Republic of Srpska, why?
00:08:55Partly because Bosnian Serbs represent
00:08:59a threat to his power in Belgrade. That is
00:09:02one of the basic, fundamental
00:09:05reasons.
00:09:08Why was Dayton, why did Milošević come to Dayton? To
00:09:11seek peace. And why? Because he was afraid
00:09:14that Bosnian Serbs would leave Bosnia, just as
00:09:18Bosnian Croats left Bosnia a few months
00:09:21earlier.
00:09:25a platter. And he was very worried about that, and Vučić is
00:09:29worried about that. He would also be worried
00:09:33about cutting off any path to the European Union,
00:09:36even if he is not so eager to
00:09:39immediately join the European Union. He doesn't want
00:09:43so I don't think Vučić
00:09:46would welcome an independent Republic of Srpska.
00:09:50I'm not sure about Zagreb to be honest, but
00:09:53I know Tuđman was smart enough to
00:09:57realize that he didn't want an Islamic republic at his
00:10:00doorstep.
00:10:03Yes, let me just finish this with Professor Djović,
00:10:07not only him, but even officials from Croatia talk about
00:10:10the need for a third entity, it is clear. "For a Croatian
00:10:13entity to be established, there must be another
00:10:16entity, i.e. a Bosniak
00:10:18entity.
00:10:21Will America support that, Professor, briefly?"
00:10:26Croatian
00:10:27entity,
00:10:35we never had that in the past, I hope we won't in the
00:10:38future. Adam, go ahead, you
00:10:42now, thank you, I agree with the professor, this, with
00:10:45his last answer completely,
00:10:47uh, I don't think that is
00:10:51the path that Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:10:55will take, Bosnia and Herzegovina is
00:10:58a framework, a sovereign state and it
00:11:02currently has two entities, uh,
00:11:05I am someone and as
00:11:08the professor noted and said
00:11:11someone who absolutely does not want to
00:11:14see any other or third
00:11:18entity, because that is practically the prelude to
00:11:21the disappearance of our homeland.
00:11:25I think that we should work
00:11:28seriously to prevent that from happening and I don't believe
00:11:32it will, but but
00:11:35again, as they say, it's up to the Bosnian-Herzegovinian
00:11:38patriotic forces who must also
00:11:41be wise in how they
00:11:44communicate with and within
00:11:47the Federation, I think that that problem within
00:11:51the Federation can be
00:11:54resolved adequately
00:11:57so that there is no further
00:12:00radicalization of forces within the
00:12:04relations within the Federation, so that it would eventually go in that
00:12:07direction, I ultimately
00:12:11do not think that
00:12:14the Croatian community HDZ within
00:12:16Bosnia and Herzegovina, although it wants it,
00:12:20perhaps in the depth of its soul,
00:12:23knows that it is not
00:12:27realistic, realistically possible
00:12:32in current international relations, especially
00:12:35how they would sell it here in Washington,
00:12:41still wants to see a peaceful,
00:12:44stable Bosnia and Herzegovina within the Dayton
00:12:47Agreement, yes, they
00:12:51the fact that within Bosnia and Herzegovina, the peoples should agree.
00:12:55but they still forget these elements that I somewhat
00:12:58belong to, more specifically, the citizens of Bosnia and
00:13:02Herzegovina who strive for European and
00:13:05Euro-Atlantic values, I don't want, at the same time I don't want to say that
00:13:09the majority of citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina actually truly
00:13:12want that. So, is it realistic? At the end, I want to
00:13:15finish this show, so I'll ask you, Professor,
00:13:18first, if new negotiations on Bosnia
00:13:22and Herzegovina were to happen, if political
00:13:26leaders were to gather, if things were put on the table, if
00:13:29a new agreement on Bosnia and
00:13:31Herzegovina were made, to uh avoid uh
00:13:35war, to avoid further division, to
00:13:39still uh have political leaders from Bosnia
00:13:42and Herzegovina agree on at least
00:13:46the minimum of what they can actually
00:13:49agree on. Is that coming, is a new international
00:13:53conference on Bosnia and Herzegovina coming? Is
00:13:56international, specifically American pressure coming, very
00:13:59concrete, for leaders in Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:14:03to sit down and agree, and what would
00:14:07that agreement actually mean, so that
00:14:10all the frustrations of Bosniaks and Serbs and
00:14:13Croats, uh, are somehow resolved,
00:14:17and of course, the other citizens of Bosnia and
00:14:19Herzegovina.
00:14:26I don't believe you'll see pressure from the United States
00:14:29in that regard, but Bosnians can sit down at
00:14:33the table at any time of day or night to negotiate
00:14:37their constitutional
00:14:38framework.
00:14:42I'm less committed to Dayton than Adnan. I think Dayton is
00:14:45part of our problem, because it did create
00:14:49the Republic of Srpska.
00:14:52And not only was that done by Dayton, but it also gave
00:14:56ethnic vetoes, it actually made it impossible for
00:15:00politicians, those who
00:15:03are not ethnically oriented, to take
00:15:07up any office, to get any important position in that country, in
00:15:11my opinion. Of course, Bosnians can
00:15:14negotiate their constitution.
00:15:17A lot was achieved in 2006 with the April
00:15:20Package. I think the April Package was quite
00:15:23good. I never thought Haris
00:15:27Silajdžić would be against
00:15:29it,
00:15:32and one thing was very important, it had an EU
00:15:36clause. That clause actually said,
00:15:40everything that needs to be done to negotiate
00:15:43pregovaralo,
00:15:47on the legal acquis of the European Union, everything that needs to be done
00:15:50in that direction, should be done at the level
00:15:54of the Sarajevo government, what you call the state
00:15:58government, we call the federal government, so it must be done at
00:16:02that level, everything
00:16:05lower levels. "I have notoriously advocated
00:16:09the abolition of entities, which are
00:16:12a remnant, actually a legacy
00:16:15of the warring parties. I think it would be possible to govern
00:16:19very effectively without entities and without
00:16:23cantons, where there are only municipalities and a central
00:16:26government.
00:16:29And in this way, Croats and Serbs would
00:16:32also have great authority in municipalities
00:16:35where Serbs are the majority."
00:16:38They already have that to some extent, however,
00:16:41it has been somewhat disorganized due to the presence of entities and
00:16:45cantons, so I would urge serious Bosnians to
00:16:48consider the April
00:16:51Package, I think it could function
00:16:53today just as it seemed to function
00:16:5720 years ago, so consider it, look at
00:17:01what proposals are contained in it, negotiate on
00:17:05that, but create a state
00:17:08that can negotiate to implement the European
00:17:11acquis to go in the right
00:17:14direction.
00:17:15Adnan,
00:17:18I mean, I completely agree with the professor and I
00:17:22am also someone who wants to see Bosnia and
00:17:25Herzegovina absolutely without entities, however,
00:17:29unfortunately the reality is what it is,
00:17:32I am afraid that within Bosnia and Herzegovina there is no
00:17:36consensus at this moment
00:17:39to achieve that, especially
00:17:42knowing not only the relations within Bosnia and
00:17:45Herzegovina, but also, of course,
00:17:48the influences coming from outside, from Belgrade
00:17:51and Zagreb, which are significant and
00:17:55also the interests of our neighbors are not
00:17:58exactly aligned with Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:18:02being organized that way because it is seen as
00:18:06such. As a civic
00:18:09state where the majority
00:18:12peoples will have, the majority peoples will have this, yes, but
00:18:16there are no actions whatsoever to sit down, to discuss, to agree, there aren't,
00:18:20but instead, threats of
00:18:23secession and threats of a third entity,
00:18:27uh, I just mentioned the Minister of Defense, calling
00:18:30Dodik, to start secession, to activate
00:18:34the plan, he says there is a plan B for everything, uh,
00:18:37uh, would that, so, what the Minister of Defense is
00:18:41suggesting, actually, be a danger,
00:18:45uh, or perhaps strength in this
00:18:47time of, uh, Islamophobia, so,
00:18:51how would the world react to a military
00:18:54solution to, uh, the problem in Bosnia and
00:18:57Herzegovina? I think, I think at this
00:19:01moment it's completely out of place to discuss any military
00:19:05solution in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
00:19:08"A political, therefore, solution, the condition for that is for people to sit down and
00:19:12talk, to agree, but someone obviously needs
00:19:14to gather them all around it, so I think
00:19:18that the pro-Bosnian-Herzegovinian
00:19:22forces should take that initiative, look, if
00:19:25you are the most numerous, if you are the strongest, I am not talking
00:19:28only about Bosniaks here, I am talking about
00:19:32uh multi-ethnic parties, whatever that
00:19:35means, so that front..."
00:19:37is completely undefined, that front has no A4
00:19:41sheet of paper on which it agrees on five
00:19:44points, they
00:19:47must solve it within 24 hours and know
00:19:51what their agenda is, this is not a V points, what are those points
00:19:54Adnan, well, those five points are clear, the state of Bosnia
00:19:58and Herzegovina, sovereign and indivisible, territorial
00:20:02integrity, sovereignty and let's talk to those within Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:20:05onima unutar Bosne i Hercegovine.
00:20:07on how to build that Bosnia and Herzegovina that
00:20:11will eliminate the frustrations of all of us within Bosnia and
00:20:15Herzegovina, or rather, you down there who live in it, and
00:20:19if it takes two years to discuss it, then
00:20:22it should be discussed for two years, but that must
00:20:26be done by people within Bosnia and Herzegovina and those people who
00:20:29have the greatest political power, and the greatest
00:20:32political power is precisely in this front, and what is happening
00:20:36with that front, that front is completely disunited, that
00:20:39front does not talk to each other, that front today
00:20:43attacks each other and conducts a pre-election political campaign
00:20:46in March, it's not even March in February, in the month
00:20:50for elections in October, the state
00:20:53is falling apart, so this is a call
00:20:57to those very forces, to muster the strength, to
00:21:01say that these are the ideas of esteemed
00:21:04professors from Bosnia and Herzegovina,
00:21:06gentlemen, create an all-Bosnian-Herzegovinian
00:21:10assembly tomorrow, define five points
00:21:13you agree on and stop talking about
00:21:17other things until the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:21:21is put on the right track and moves in the right
00:21:24direction. Extend a hand to all those
00:21:28within Bosnia and Herzegovina who don't think so,
00:21:31because it is their country too. I have
00:21:35no other message. I have no other point, of course, I mean, sit down
00:21:38and talk to avoid this worst, God forbid,
00:21:42scenario, which would
00:21:46destroy not only the state, but also lives. As
00:21:50the professor said, sitting and talking for years
00:21:54is better than one day
00:21:58of war.
00:22:01Uh, Professor, do you want to add a short message
00:22:02for the end?
00:22:07A message, a message, to the people in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and above all
00:22:11to the political
00:22:12leaders,
00:22:18Bosnians often say that nothing has changed since the end
00:22:21of the war. I take that statement seriously,
00:22:25however, I don't think that nothing has changed, a lot
00:22:29has changed, Bosnians are much better off than during
00:22:32and immediately after the war, I can assure you that
00:22:35Sarajevo is once again vibrant,
00:22:39the whole country is in a much better state than it was
00:22:42during the war, what they mean, what they mean when
00:22:46they say nothing has changed, means they are just
00:22:50disappointed with the results
00:22:53after the war, I understand that disappointment, because
00:22:57the state has not strengthened as much as it should, politics is
00:23:01still organized along ethnic
00:23:03lines,
00:23:05still there is still a threat of secession coming from
00:23:09the Republic of Srpska, I am
00:23:11disappointed.
00:23:14However, don't always look, or rather, ask
00:23:17international factors to fix it. That will not
00:23:20succeed, Bosnians must do it
00:23:22themselves, and when they start
00:23:26doing it, then they will find a lot of support, but
00:23:30until they start doing it, they will always be
00:23:32disappointed. That's right, people, sit down as
00:23:36much as you understand each other, hate each other, don't
00:23:39respect each other, insult each other, which is on the
00:23:43scene, uh, currently,
00:23:46sit down, talk,
00:23:48agree. That is the only way, thank
00:23:52you gentlemen, thank you, dear viewers, the pressing is over, we'll see
00:23:56you next Wednesday, goodbye,
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