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00:02:32Next, we talk about the funeral of a war criminal with state and military
00:02:36honors in Serbia and everything that has happened these days.
00:02:39The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Great Britain, among
00:02:42others, reacted urgently and summoned the Serbian chargé
00:02:46d'affaires in London to deliver
00:02:50a strong protest. The glorification of a convicted war
00:02:53criminal directly undermines regional stability and tramples on
00:02:56international judgments of the UN tribunal in The Hague, they said.
00:03:00as well as that they stand with Mladić's genocide victims and their
00:03:03families. Our guest Vakarazmi, founder and
00:03:06chairman of Remembering Srebrenica UK. Good
00:03:10morning Mr. Azmi and thank you for your time. And thank you for being
00:03:14with us.
00:03:17The United Kingdom summoned the Serbian chargé
00:03:20d'affaires after your appeal. Is this
00:03:25we realized that it wouldn't work, we tried at diplomatic reaction strong enough or do our Western partners need to move from
00:03:28condemnations to concrete sanctions against officials who
00:03:32glorify criminals and crimes?
00:03:51That translates to only one
00:03:52thing: justice.
00:03:56Mr. Azmi,
00:04:00You heard our first question, can you
00:04:03answer?
00:04:12Good morning, if you could repeat
00:04:15the question, because the connection isn't very
00:04:19good, so I'd be grateful if you repeat the question,
00:04:23thank you.
00:04:30Diplomatic reaction, is it strong enough
00:04:33or do we need sanctions
00:04:36against those who
00:04:39celebrate war crimes
00:04:41and,
00:04:44thank you,
00:04:46first,
00:04:49we have welcomed the response
00:04:53from the United Kingdom, it is perhaps the strongest
00:04:56response we have seen so far.
00:05:02And I am proud that the government of the United
00:05:06Kingdom
00:05:07has condemned
00:05:10the actions of the Serbian government
00:05:14for giving full
00:05:17military honors at the funeral of Ratko
00:05:20Mladić, and
00:05:23the commentary
00:05:29from the ministries is perhaps the strongest
00:05:32condemnation you can see
00:05:35when the minister said that this is
00:05:39something unforgivable, unacceptable.
00:05:43Unacceptable, and I am also
00:05:46grateful
00:05:50to the special envoy for
00:05:53the Western Balkans, who personally
00:05:56met with
00:05:59the charge d'affaires when he delivered the protest note to the government
00:06:03of Serbia. As far as I'm concerned, this is a clear
00:06:06message,
00:06:09a clear message to everyone in the whole world that what
00:06:12happened, how the government of
00:06:16Serbia was involved
00:06:18in the
00:06:21honors to that evil man who committed genocide, that
00:06:25genocide was committed under his command, that is something
00:06:28that cannot be tolerated in
00:06:32the UK or in
00:06:34Europe.
00:06:4226 years in a country that is
00:06:45a candidate for membership in the European
00:06:49Union, we observe how war crimes
00:06:53and criminals are celebrated, that it is final
00:06:57proof
00:06:58that
00:07:05we have not faced the past in Serbia,
00:07:09I think.
00:07:14Europe must
00:07:15understand
00:07:19that Serbia, being a candidate for membership in the European
00:07:23Union, the values that Serbia promotes
00:07:27are
00:07:30not values shared by
00:07:33the United Kingdom or Europe,
00:07:36to celebrate such an evil man
00:07:39who was convicted of genocide.
00:07:42To glorify genocide is like
00:07:45saying, we will continue to promote
00:07:49hatred, we will continue to follow
00:07:51the ideology that led to genocide, that
00:07:55is something that is
00:07:58against all
00:08:00values. This, first
00:08:03of all, has exposed Serbia, it is
00:08:07important that
00:08:09Serbia
00:08:14is now exposed, it is
00:08:17a country that has not
00:08:20abandoned the ideology that
00:08:23promoted genocide,
00:08:27and it is seen there
00:08:30that Serbia supports
00:08:33genocide, this is
00:08:36something
00:08:38that is very important, and the second thing
00:08:42that is also important,
00:08:44Europe
00:08:47should not continue with Serbia's
00:08:50candidacy, because it acted
00:08:53that way, because this
00:08:55ideology is so entrenched
00:08:59in the actions of Serbian institutions and officials, and
00:09:03third, some measures must
00:09:06be taken, because you cannot tell
00:09:09the world
00:09:12that genocide can be celebrated, glorified
00:09:15and
00:09:18military honors given to someone convicted
00:09:22of genocide, and still be
00:09:24part of Europe's integration processes
00:09:28and have candidate status, that is something
00:09:32that should not happen,
00:09:35therefore, there must be sanctions against
00:09:38Serbia, that is
00:09:44something that member states should
00:09:48consider.
00:09:52that this will happen in
00:09:54the future?
00:10:00I apologize, if you could repeat because
00:10:03as I said, the connection is not good.
00:10:06Do you expect
00:10:08that this will happen in the future?
00:10:14I
00:10:14think
00:10:18that the way Serbia acts on one
00:10:22side
00:10:26is aligned with Russia, on the other side, with Europe, you cannot sit
00:10:30on both
00:10:31chairs.
00:10:34State honors at the funeral, with military honors
00:10:37for someone who was convicted of
00:10:41the worst crime in Europe since the end of the Second
00:10:44World War, precisely indicated Serbia's true actions.
00:10:47Those organizations,
00:10:51institutions that cooperate with Serbia must understand.
00:10:56Serbia is not a friend
00:10:59that can respect European
00:11:02values, that is something
00:11:06that people must
00:11:07understand,
00:11:11that is exactly what is seen here, and what is
00:11:15also crucial is that people must understand that if
00:11:18Serbia continues in this
00:11:20way,
00:11:22what should be the next
00:11:25steps, these are some things that Europe must
00:11:29consider, and I believe that everyone will
00:11:33understand this.
00:11:36Does it worry you that, despite
00:11:39the verdicts
00:11:42of the court in The Hague, that the narrative
00:11:46of glorifying crime in the region
00:11:49is actually strengthening, instead of weakening as
00:11:53an organization. On Srebrenica
00:11:56trains,
00:11:57educates
00:12:00the population in England for years in all those
00:12:03lessons, of course, if
00:12:05you look at what is happening in
00:12:09the Western Balkans and
00:12:12the way Russia
00:12:15behaves, the war in Ukraine, how Russia
00:12:19behaves. First, we cannot trust
00:12:22any country
00:12:25that follows Russia, we must
00:12:29understand that, and
00:12:31the fact that Russia
00:12:34continues
00:12:36to
00:12:39use its allies,
00:12:42that is something that people must
00:12:45understand,
00:12:48whether they are officials in Republika Srpska or in
00:12:51Serbia.
00:12:55But not only do they follow what
00:12:59Russia is doing, but that is the danger
00:13:02when it comes to what
00:13:05Dodik is doing and
00:13:09some other officials, that is something
00:13:13that we must understand, we must wake up
00:13:16to
00:13:18the renewed energy
00:13:22that
00:13:25is now appearing in the ideology of committing
00:13:29genocide, that should concern
00:13:31everyone, and we are
00:13:34concerned, Dodik,
00:13:37if
00:13:41you look at how he behaves, it is truly something that is
00:13:44unacceptable, look at the past few years, it is
00:13:48absolutely unacceptable,
00:13:50it is something that should concern the entire international
00:13:54community.
00:14:07Is London's diplomatic pressure an isolated case at this
00:14:11moment?
00:14:13I think when it comes
00:14:17to
00:14:20my country, Great Britain, I am
00:14:23proud that... we have truly
00:14:26taken a firm stand and
00:14:30Britain will continue to use that influence
00:14:33not only in Europe, but with other
00:14:35countries,
00:14:38especially after the adoption of the resolution in the United
00:14:42Nations, so that
00:14:45July 11th will be a day
00:14:48of remembrance, an international day of remembrance for
00:14:51genocide, I think much
00:14:55more needs to be done and other
00:14:58countries should also take that firm stand,
00:15:02it is the responsibility of all of us to ensure
00:15:06that people understand
00:15:08the reality,
00:15:12that evil ideology, the fascist ideology that
00:15:16still exists, that is promoted in Serbia,
00:15:19we must work
00:15:21harder so that others
00:15:25those countries understand this and
00:15:29take strong measures
00:15:31against
00:15:33those in Republika Srpska and officials and
00:15:37the government of Serbia.
00:15:41A large number of analysts warn that
00:15:44honoring Mladić is not just about the past, but a direct message for
00:15:47the future. What
00:15:51message is Serbia sending to young
00:15:53generations?
00:15:57I think that the government
00:16:00of Serbia should be
00:16:03ashamed
00:16:05because
00:16:09it destroys
00:16:11its own country, people, values,
00:16:15humanity, because if you can
00:16:18celebrate evil, that evil man who
00:16:21killed thousands of people,
00:16:25under whose control forces
00:16:28raped 20 to 25,000
00:16:30women, if you can celebrate,
00:16:34glorify something like that.
00:16:38"Then you are not supporting universal
00:16:41values of humanity, that is
00:16:44something that is so dangerous because
00:16:46young people now have a clear mind in Serbia
00:16:50and
00:16:53that is why it is very important that we also
00:16:55understand
00:16:58that we have those who do not support
00:17:02this ideology in Serbia,
00:17:04there are organizations that are truly valuable.
00:17:07They work to reject that evil ideology
00:17:11in Serbia in Republika
00:17:13Srpska, and
00:17:15I think
00:17:18we must support precisely those
00:17:21people
00:17:24who
00:17:26absolutely know that it is a fascist evil
00:17:30ideology,
00:17:33but what Serbia is doing
00:17:36really sends such a message that it will not
00:17:40follow the values
00:17:43of humanity, mankind,
00:17:45civilization,
00:17:54that it will not reject the ideology that
00:17:57humanity has rejected, we
00:18:00must therefore educate people about that fascist
00:18:03ideology, about the genocide in
00:18:05Bosnia.
00:18:08One of the organizations that does that is precisely your
00:18:11organization, you are in contact with
00:18:13survivors daily, what can you
00:18:17tell them, they have such
00:18:20tragic stories after the war, and
00:18:24everything that happened in Srebrenica, in
00:18:26Sarajevo, does international law
00:18:30still have the power to resist
00:18:33politicization and rewriting history?
00:18:39First,
00:18:42what is very important
00:18:45is that Remembering Srebrenica is one of
00:18:48the organizations, but we also have Women in Black, in Serbia, and
00:18:52a large number of other organizations that keep that memory
00:18:56alive, it is a memory that saves
00:18:59us, that teaches us, and that is why
00:19:03we need to keep that memory alive, what I can say
00:19:06to all those... all the countries that supported
00:19:10the resolution
00:19:14at the UN,
00:19:18to commemorate July
00:19:1911th,
00:19:23that the best weapon, the greatest strength is
00:19:27education.
00:19:29Serbia
00:19:34did not do that, it paid full state.
00:19:37answer, or rather Europe's answer, must be
00:19:40military honors at the funeral of Ratko that Mladić, but our
00:19:47we must
00:19:48educate.
00:19:52The European Parliament has passed a large number of resolutions, and these
00:19:55resolutions call on every member state
00:19:59to educate its young generations,
00:20:02to educate everyone about the genocide in Bosnia.
00:20:06The resolution also
00:20:08calls
00:20:12for this at the national level, we have that in the United Kingdom,
00:20:16that is the best response you can give, it is educating people,
00:20:19and that is why I call on all of Europe,
00:20:22Europe,
00:20:26you must not abandon Bosnia and Herzegovina, if you did that
00:20:29in the period 92 and 95. And
00:20:32that is why we must not abandon
00:20:36it now.
00:20:40Bosnia and Herzegovina, we must support it, it must not be betrayed
00:20:43again. That was in the past, and
00:20:47the best form of support is to remember
00:20:51Srebrenica now, I believe that
00:20:54Europe must accelerate
00:20:57the integration of Bosnia and Herzegovina into
00:20:59the Union.
00:21:02This is now about the security and safety of Bosnia
00:21:06and Herzegovina, this must be something
00:21:09that Europe takes seriously
00:21:11into consideration. We in
00:21:14Britain
00:21:17educate young people, we have already done that, but with more than
00:21:203000 young people and we talk about the genocide in Srebrenica, we
00:21:24will continue to do that, we truly
00:21:27stand with Bosnia and Herzegovina, that is
00:21:31something that should not happen again,
00:21:34be repeated, but the best solution is that
00:21:38every country
00:21:41commemorates the day of remembrance for genocide,
00:21:45educates people, not only so that we know what happened, but
00:21:49so that it is with Bosnia
00:21:52and Herzegovina,
00:21:54thank you for everything you do, thank you for your
00:21:58time, Mr. Azmi, thank you for inviting
00:22:01me. Vakar Azmi was our guest in
00:22:05the past few minutes, chairman and founder of Remembering
00:22:09Srebrenica
00:22:10UK.
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00:26:44A new mother's right to have a companion of her own choosing
00:26:47at the most vulnerable moment in the civilized world
00:26:51is not a topic for discussion but a standard. In the Federation of Bosnia and
00:26:54Herzegovina, that right has become a victim of political calculations,
00:26:58multi-month blockades of the House of Peoples and due to conscious
00:27:02constitutional deadlines and the refusal to even vote on the draft
00:27:06law, the Baby Steps association filed a criminal complaint with the special department
00:27:10of the Federal Prosecutor's Office against the chairman Tomislav
00:27:14Martinović and the leadership of the House. Why do
00:27:17the authorities fear opening a public discussion about the conditions in
00:27:21delivery rooms? In the new day, our guest is Mila
00:27:24Tatarević, president of the BBSEPS association. Good morning and welcome.
00:27:28Good morning, thank you very much for the invitation. Just at the beginning, let me emphasize that we also invited
00:27:32Mr. Tomislav Martinović to join us in this
00:27:35conversation, unfortunately he did not respond to our invitation, he did not
00:27:39respond to our message, but he did have some reaction yesterday, what exactly
00:27:42happened, his reaction came out where he practically presented some excuses
00:27:46that are absolutely unfounded, incorrect, for example, he stated that the House
00:27:49had already declared on that issue twice, no, this issue was never
00:27:53on the agenda, it was only declared to be placed on the agenda, which should not have
00:27:57happened, because the basis of the criminal complaint is the constitution which clearly
00:28:01defines that... there is a deadline by which the
00:28:04issue adopted in the other house must be considered, so that deadline expired
00:28:08at the beginning of April, with the April session it had to be
00:28:11included on the agenda, not discussed, not voted
00:28:14on placing on the agenda, but it had to be included, so the constitution is
00:28:18clear and there is no room for any interpretation and it is truly
00:28:22frightening and worrying that the chairman of the House
00:28:26of Peoples who passes laws in this way shows either his
00:28:28ignorance or or or in some way in the context of that interpretation
00:28:32of the law, or the constitution in this case, tries to justify his
00:28:36actions, you submitted a criminal complaint
00:28:39for that, what was the key moment when you
00:28:43realized that nothing would happen in this mandate that
00:28:47your letters, appeals
00:28:50uh had no effect on the leadership
00:28:53of the House, well this has been going on for a year now, practically, the law was submitted in September last
00:28:57year, the House of Peoples from January this procedure, so,
00:29:01even when it comes to the draft, it's... dragging on, we really tried
00:29:04towards the House of Peoples, towards the college, towards the commissions, so
00:29:07we tried writing, we even contacted the Constitutional Court about the violation
00:29:11of the constitution, but we don't have that active legitimacy, which is also an irony of
00:29:15all levels that the Constitutional Court does not protect the constitution by its official duty, but
00:29:18we wait for someone who violates the law to report the violation, so
00:29:22it's absolutely ironic in our system,
00:29:27an extraordinary session in July, but there too, the possibility
00:29:31of placing it on the agenda was very clearly and simply rejected. We warned about the violation of the constitution,
00:29:35but nothing happened, we still have the same situation, we still have ignorance,
00:29:38a blockade in the full sense of the word, we are not talking about the right to companionship here, we are not talking about
00:29:42voting, everyone has a democratic right, we are talking about a public discussion
00:29:46that I am not even talking about a public discussion, because this is a violation of the constitution for
00:29:50the issue to be discussed and decided, it would not be, it would be a different story if they had
00:29:54refused and said there were no public discussions, if they had refused the draft, that is their democratic
00:29:57right, but this is blocking that, so
00:30:00blocking the issue through violations of the constitution which is the highest act
00:30:04of the Federation, so it is a shame that this is happening from the House of Peoples, then we have
00:30:08those excuses that don't hold water, which it seems only serve to discredit
00:30:12the public with some story, some procedures, about how the proposer
00:30:15feels it won't pass, let's not talk about that, what kind of feeling, where does it
00:30:19say that, so the constitution clearly states not by feeling that something won't pass, not by
00:30:22voting, not by some kind of opinion or
00:30:26interpretation, but it will be clearly included on the agenda, so
00:30:30the April session was the final instance. "We are now in
00:30:33September, there were also a couple of extraordinary ones, there was another regular
00:30:37session, this issue was never allowed to be discussed and I just wonder
00:30:40why, what is the big problem with everything, why are they so afraid of this
00:30:44discussion, whether non-transparency
00:30:48the practice in which patients have been for decades without
00:30:51witness protection during childbirth
00:30:54are the main reason, so we cannot claim
00:30:57who is responsible, who is behind this act..."