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00:00:00Red Line, Nataša Prohaska will speak.
00:00:04The 21st festival of women's art and activism
00:00:08organized by the Cure Foundation opened in Sarajevo this year
00:00:11with the theme Becoming a Feminist.
00:00:14One is born a feminist one becomes a feminist, is the slogan of the
00:00:1721st Festival of Women's Art and Activism . The exhibition of the same name is one of three
00:00:21installations that this year bring different artistic perspectives on
00:00:25women and society. The slogan itself actually
00:00:29focuses on the fact that feminism is not something that is given, but that it
00:00:32develops over time, both in all of us, and it also develops itself
00:00:36and actually responds to the challenges that society poses to us.
00:00:40This year's festival is truly organized
00:00:43in a time of wars, human rights violations,
00:00:47narrowing space for the activities of activists and
00:00:51human rights defenders, narrowing space for civil society
00:00:54activities. The exhibition is very multi-layered, mm, we had
00:00:57more than 60 applications, and um... since we opened
00:01:01for 23 different artistic projects and
00:01:04different perspectives, the exhibition opens some
00:01:08of the typical questions you might expect at such a festival,
00:01:11the question of women's position in society,
00:01:15the question of aging and menopause,
00:01:18the attitude towards illness in our society.
00:01:21The exhibition "Sometimes it boils up" presented by the Furaj Mir project team
00:01:25from Prnjavor speaks about war and human suffering
00:01:27say that this is normal this is normal in in . The focus is on man, regardless of his
00:01:30origin, religion or nation, we constantly talked about those war
00:01:34events, about building peace and how emotions and everything
00:01:38swelled, one of my colleagues, Adrijana, who is actually
00:01:41the main member of our team, said, "Oh, something always boils up,"
00:01:45like, "Oh, it's boiling up again, sometimes it boils up," and that's how we came to that
00:01:48topic, and we just dedicated ourselves to the ordinary
00:01:52civilian, more precisely the refugee, a man
00:01:55without any prefix, whether he belongs to
00:01:58this religion, that race, whatever national group,
00:02:02we just dedicated ourselves to the person in war, the unit that suffers
00:02:05and that seeks a better place and seeks its peace. The third exhibition
00:02:09is dedicated to human rights defenders, women who with their
00:02:13long-term work contribute to the fight for equality and dignified
00:02:16life. Among them is the director and co-founder of the Cure Foundation
00:02:20, Jadranka Miličević. The Human Rights House Oslo, which
00:02:24covers, which in a way coordinates between human rights
00:02:27houses in Europe, chose from each human
00:02:30rights house one of the women who is recognized for
00:02:34her long-term work, for her certain,
00:02:38I won't say truly, but for the results she achieves
00:02:41in her daily work, and it's normal that it was an
00:02:45honor for me when they chose and nominated me to
00:02:49be among and together with all these other
00:02:52comrades. From women's personal experiences, through stories of
00:02:56n1info.Ba. Thank you for war and displacement, to portraits of human rights defenders, this year's Pis brings...
00:03:00different perspectives, but also a common need to speak,
00:03:03question and act. Amila Mrkonja, N1,
00:08:18And now, the weather forecast with Radmila
00:08:21Mitrović. From tomorrow, significantly more pleasant
00:08:24temperatures, almost in all regions around 25
00:08:28degrees. A cloud system from the north has covered our
00:08:31country, bringing rainfall and a drop in temperature. From tomorrow,
00:08:35we expect temperatures within the average range for
00:08:38the last decade of the calendar summer. On Saturday, the weather will be
00:08:42variable, cloudy in central, southern and eastern regions with
00:08:46rain and local thunderstorms with thunder. Rainfall will
00:08:49cease by the end of the day, and clearing is expected. A light to
00:08:53moderate northerly wind will blow. Minimum temperature in Bosnia up to
00:08:5715°, in the south up to 21°,
00:09:00maximum from 21 to 30°.
00:09:04From Sunday, temperatures will be within the average for this time of year,
00:09:08from 23 to 30°. Periods of sunny
00:09:11and cloudy weather will decrease, and only occasionally will there be
00:09:15conditions for transient precipitation.
00:09:29That's all for the news. Have a pleasant rest of the evening.
00:10:19for next uh AI industry insiders are warning the
00:10:22rise in the uh intelligence of AI
00:10:26models is risk that is growing too
00:10:29much. as you can see, I've been joined by Jonathan Richard Schwarz who's the visiting professor at
00:10:32Imperial head of AI research at Thompson Righters Foundation. very good
00:10:36morning to you, thanks so much for joining us. good morning. um, I
00:10:40guess to set this up and in the last sort of 24 hours or
00:10:43so, number of threads on X have gone
00:10:46viral, one in particular from a former
00:10:49AI safety worker at both apeni and anthropic that that
00:10:52raised the big question, said that the char AI one day could kill
00:10:56us all was greater than 10%. is that
00:10:59assessment you agree with? um, i think on sort of extinction and perhaps
00:11:03a little bit more sort of cautious about my predictions, but i think what is
00:11:06almost certain now is that we have a trastic reshift of power in society,
00:11:10i think that sort of frontier labs have an immense opportunity to
00:11:14sort of reshift economic power, social power, political power, scientific
00:11:17power, even infrastructure power, and i think it's something that we should very seriously think about as
00:11:21society. um, guess one of the other central things that... come
00:11:25out in the last 24 hours was the the suggestion that
00:11:28bosses at all of the big AI companies, none in
00:11:31particular,
00:11:33um are more aware of the risks than they make public, is that
00:11:37something that that you think could be true? um, i think of
00:11:40course all insiders within those labs probably have have sort of
00:11:44about a free to six months horizon of roughly where development is headed, i
00:11:47think that some of the sort of recent developments we have on model
00:11:50development, especially a sort of new idea called um sort of
00:11:54a cursive... self-improvement where models kind of just become better and better over
00:11:58time um is something that uh seems to have started
00:12:01to take off and seems to be something that there's a lot of energy in
00:12:04and uh so the bosses but also really all researchers with these slabs will have
00:12:08a unique insight that isn't necessarily public yet is there a
00:12:11concern throughout the ranks of employees that this is
00:12:15going too fast too quickly and and and people have felt they
00:12:18can't speak out i think that's fair to say and it's not just the employees mean i have been in
00:12:22this field for over 10 years and this year has been one of the most of astonishing amounts
00:12:26of progress, both in terms of the model's capabilities and how fast they're being
00:12:30released. i think the field is becoming more diverse, which is important because it's not
00:12:33sufficient for us to just look at open air and the tropic, there's a huge amount of
00:12:37open-weight models that are being released that are just almost as capable and really
00:12:41anybody could download them, you and me and increasingly they can be run on consumer
00:12:45hardware, and so there's a sense here in
00:12:47which the sort of safety and security issues have been more serious
00:12:51than ever before. um, clearly all of these companies like...
00:12:55any new technology want to want to
00:12:58win, want to get their first and innovate fastest, if we
00:13:02only cared about profit, which clearly we
00:13:04don't, but if we only cared about profit, is it fair to say
00:13:08in this technology more than any others that it's going to be winner takes all or
00:13:12winner takes most, is there that sort of legitimate
00:13:15incentive for them to put the the you know the foot to the floor
00:13:19to try and be first, because if they don't then somebody else will
00:13:23eat all of their lunch, mean certainly. how they're operating right? i think there's perhaps a
00:13:26space for more kind of pluralistic world in the eye space, but the the frontier labs are operating
00:13:30this kind of speed right? and it's really kind of prisoner dilemmas kind of
00:13:34situation where the sort of self interest of these
00:13:37firms is to move as fast as they possibly can, and unless there's some
00:13:43a situation where the just keep raising right? and the sort of voluntary
00:13:46agreements that people have tried to put in place haven't really been able to prevent that i think slow
00:13:50things down because guess the follow on question for that, which if there is
00:13:53that prize for some... one at the end of it is when you then get
00:13:57onto the nationalistic debate, which is if you don't
00:14:01allow the let's nar down to two countries
00:14:04for argument sake, the US companies, one of them at
00:14:07least to be the winner, then the alternative could be a Chinese company being
00:14:11the window, is that fair way of looking at it? um, I would say that
00:14:15lot of people, including lot of my own academic workers trying to kind of get away from
00:14:18that dynamic, right? there's a huge amount of energy and effort about the sort of idea
00:14:22of sovern AI, nation states institution. trying to develop their
00:14:25own models and sort of get away from this dynamic and being fully relian on
00:14:29others uh in this country and other middle powers there's a lot of interesting work being
00:14:32done so I don't think we're in a situation where it's inevitable that you know sort of
00:14:36either Chinese or US slaps are dominating and everybody else is left behind I
00:14:39think there are things that can be done but the opportunity windows shrinking I
00:14:45regulator impos rules or restrictions
00:14:48that slow down the US's ability to innovate
00:14:52would that prisoners dilemma risk still? that China might not do the
00:14:56same, well I mean that's the conversation people having right, frankly
00:15:00sort of if regulation is is only applied in a certain jurisdiction or a certain
00:15:03country, it's it's sort of huge opportunity for others to kind of catch
00:15:07up or even exceed the ability, so really I think what's needed is a
00:15:10sort of multilateral international sort of way of of
00:15:14of coordinating this, we do have an AI safety institute here in
00:15:20the world leaders, but I guess are we now a point
00:15:23where it's wishful...
00:15:26to expect that that UK
00:15:29difference in this? yeah, the AI
00:15:32security institute has been incredibly influential and one of the world
00:15:36class institutes in this. space, but I do think that we're in a position where it's no longer
00:15:40clear if we can fully rely on this voluntary excess, right? I think it's also fair to say
00:15:43that ac has primarily worked with the US laps and in a world where more and
00:15:47more models are being provided by more and more institutions, it's not necessarily
00:15:50clear whether one single institution can completely scale,
00:15:54so I do think we need something that goes beyond a single kind of countries institution, and
00:15:57something like ac a more multilateral international basis would certainly be very
00:16:00valuable. Bring us back to where we started and and the scale of the
00:16:04risk that you that you think that... we
00:16:07as as society face from AI and if
00:16:11it's not 10% chance of total wipe out, is it
00:16:14underpice in the way that we talk about it in terms of
00:16:18significant risks to society? yeah, mean i personally
00:16:21think that we are um, i think this 10% figure is something that's very difficult
00:16:25to sort of assess, right? it's more like a gut feeling than a proper sort of populistic
00:16:28measure, but do imagine that the kind of systematic rs like the
00:16:32power, describe the sort of economic impacts and so those are almost
00:16:35certain to be happening, mean there's already... sort of situation w arguably AI
00:16:39developers are are making sort of large judgments on what human values
00:16:42are uh sort of decisions that usually happen through the political process right and
00:16:46this is already happening and it's kind of troubling that people like me or my
00:16:50colleagues get to decide what model should be saying on sort of some of the most contested issues in the
00:16:54world right and sometimes i believe that the extinction debate is important but
00:16:57there's lots of other kind of debates here that are kind of falling a little bit by the wayside
00:17:01um is what if people
00:17:05a process of technological and innovation uh
00:17:09and law makers and regulators
00:17:12will catch up and there'll always be a sort of balance that that
00:17:16evolves over time. yeah, i would i would say that's probably mistaken. mean, if we look at
00:17:20past technologies, comparison, people like to make this industrial
00:17:23revolution that sort of ran over 80 years in in a limited number
00:17:27of sectors and already there the consequences were quite dire for many people
00:17:31until some of the benefits were to be seen. think in the internet sort of
00:17:34more recent example, lot of the predictions of how things. turn out ended up being
00:17:38true, I think the level of uncertainty and the scale in speed of things is just different this
00:17:42time. um, Jonathan, thanks so much for joining us, we really appreciate it. Jonathan,
00:17:45Richard Schwartz from Imperial.
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00:30:27Marina Fratucan. From elections for local communities to the protection
00:30:31of human rights of minority groups and
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