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00:00:00"The pot got stirred, sometimes it stirs itself, then the topic came up like that, and
00:00:03we just focused on the ordinary civilian,
00:00:07specifically a refugee, a person without
00:00:10any prefix, whether they are of this religion, that race, to which
00:00:14ever national group they belong, we just
00:00:16focused on the person in war and the unit that suffers and
00:00:20that seeks a better place and seeks their peace. The third exhibition is dedicated to
00:00:24human rights defenders, women who, through their long-term
00:00:27work, contribute to the fight for equality. A dignified
00:00:30life, among them is the director and co-founder of the Cure Foundation,
00:00:34Jadranka Miličević. The Human Rights House Oslo, which
00:00:38covers, which in a way coordinates between human rights
00:00:41houses in Europe, chose from each human rights house
00:00:45one of the women who is recognized for her
00:00:48long-term work, for her some,
00:00:52I won't say really, but for the results she achieves
00:00:55within her daily work, and it's natural for me to
00:00:59be honored. I was honored when they chose, nominated me
00:01:03to be in the circle, along with all these other
00:01:05comrades. From personal experiences of women, through stories
00:01:09of war and displacement, to portraits of human rights defenders,
00:01:12this year's pitchvez brings different perspectives, but also
00:01:15a common need to speak, question, and act. Amila
00:01:19Mrkonja, N1,
00:01:21Sarajevo.
00:01:25And that was all we prepared for you today. A new gathering with
00:01:28new information. We'll schedule it for Monday, be well, goodbye.
00:07:08and this Friday, with us, journalist Senka
00:07:11Kurt, with whom we comment on all political and social
00:07:15current events in our country, and beyond, Senka,
00:07:19good day, welcome to the N1 program. Good day, nice to meet you. In the introduction
00:07:23of the show, I said that all
00:07:27these events that are happening after the death of the convicted
00:07:30war criminal Ratko Mladić have somehow overshadowed some other things that go under
00:07:34the radar in our country. So, I thought we should start,
00:07:38we will definitely touch upon those events, but let's start with these other
00:07:42things... It's been over half a year since we waited for any
00:07:46epilogue uh regarding the tram accident in which
00:07:49one person died, four people were injured, one of
00:07:52them seriously, and how
00:07:55do you actually comment on the fact that we
00:07:59only have an indictment against the driver, that many
00:08:02unanswered questions remain that were asked by
00:08:05both experts and journalists, and do you believe that the system will be
00:08:09acquitted of responsibility? I believe, let me tell you right away,
00:08:13the system is always acquitted here, so without diminishing the tragedy that
00:08:17happened in Sarajevo, we are talking about the tram
00:08:20tragedy, uh, so, do we have
00:08:23an epilogue to what happened in Jablanica
00:08:27two years ago, much longer ago than the tram accident? Do we
00:08:30have an epilogue to what happened
00:08:34in Tuzla with the pimping of girls also two
00:08:37years ago, besides "investigation is ongoing," "investigation is ongoing," in Jablanica the
00:08:40investigation is ongoing, tomorrow we will have... the finding is a quarry, it is not
00:08:44a quarry, really,
00:08:47I mean, you don't have to be too smart to
00:08:51say that we knew that the blame would fall when it comes to
00:08:55the tram accident, maybe like this, so,
00:08:58I'm doing an investigation, I don't have data,
00:09:01I don't have evidence, but we are actually
00:09:05only dealing with one thing here, that is the responsibility
00:09:09of the driver, or the company. We are not dealing with...
00:09:12"deeper analyses, that is that
00:09:15we established that a certain
00:09:18intimate of the current Minister
00:09:21of Transport, Mr. Štete, was
00:09:24responsible for some things that should have
00:09:27prevented such accidents on trams. We are not
00:09:31dealing with the fact that this investigation is ongoing, that we all
00:09:35somehow knew what the epilogue would be, that
00:09:39the weakest would actually suffer." The statement was brief,
00:09:42the last one was when it was announced that the indictment was filed only against
00:09:46the driver. So, it was not announced what more data they
00:09:50investigated, so they came to that data,
00:09:53right? On the other hand, we had earlier
00:09:56when colleagues from the detector at the moment when
00:10:00the tram accident happened, so they discovered, for example, that Gras on
00:10:04the tender for servicing magnetic brakes did not require previous
00:10:07experience, and the company that got the job did not return a single service
00:10:10within eight months. Serviced brake, Gras
00:10:14therefore never answered when those brakes were last serviced,
00:10:18but after the accident new tenders were announced, but
00:10:22this time previous experience was in...
00:10:26if I remember correctly, in the detector's text, which
00:10:29the detector also worked on a lot, they gave evidence to the prosecutors,
00:10:33asked questions, filed some complaints and so on
00:10:36and so forth. If I remember correctly, that company that had
00:10:40no experience, was actually
00:10:43also close to someone, as was this new one, and so on
00:10:47and so forth. I mean, I would
00:10:50generally say, and it's always on my
00:10:52mind, one word. In my head when we talk
00:10:56about such and similar events, that is
00:10:59force. So, it doesn't matter that it was like
00:11:02that, they'll just say, "we'll find a new company," and then they'll just
00:11:06do it like that, and it doesn't matter that a tragedy happened, so come on, we'll, we'll,
00:11:10how can I say, uh, take care of
00:11:13our own. So, I'm not surprised why the statement is brief.
00:11:16I don't know why the public is interested in
00:11:20a brief statement, on what basis and what evidence did
00:11:23you come to... "Maybe I'm not
00:11:26interested, but Erdogan's parents
00:11:29are interested, the child who is no longer here,
00:11:33and the girl, the girl who survived a
00:11:37terrible trauma and a terrible injury,
00:11:40so, first of all, they are interested, and then the public is interested,
00:11:43so it should also interest those responsible,
00:11:47however, here everything somehow goes past, and this picture behind you,
00:11:51well, it's a terrifying reminder that we had to
00:11:54do something..." However, now it's an election
00:11:57campaign, just look at the photos
00:12:00and videos from election rallies. We'll talk about that election
00:12:04campaign, but the voice of the people, so to speak,
00:12:08waned at that moment. What happened to those youth protests that were
00:12:12daily in the streets? It was mentioned that
00:12:15certain political pressure was exerted on them to withdraw from the
00:12:18streets. I don't know about that, but I know there was some pressure,
00:12:21at least when it comes to high school students in schools. And so
00:12:25on and so forth. Then they fabricated various
00:12:28affairs for those who had somehow
00:12:31emerged as leaders of those protests and so on
00:12:35and so forth. But I think when you say young
00:12:38people, well, simply here
00:12:41I adore our young people, I think they are talented, smart
00:12:45and educated as much as this
00:12:48system allows everything, but simply they are
00:12:52children who don't have the opportunity to go out into the street. They were out for five days,
00:12:55then they started blackmailing some people, threatening them and so on
00:12:59and so forth, and you know what, I
00:13:03always repeat this, and I've said it a hundred times to you,
00:13:06we are simply, first of all, a people with short memories, I mean all of us
00:13:10in Bosnia and Herzegovina, that's one thing, and the second thing,
00:13:14we don't have that need for public expression
00:13:18of our views because we are scared and because
00:13:21we are raised to be scared.
00:13:25People, are we scared or stifled by the enormous problems that bother citizens
00:13:29who are looking for, I don't know, a job, a life,
00:13:32it's not, no, citizens have
00:13:35jobs and they have them in state institutions, well, this, well, I mean, the other day
00:13:39we were on an interview and I would like our
00:13:41uh uh readers, your
00:13:45viewers to read that text, we presented data on how many
00:13:48voters work in state services multiplied by
00:13:52members of their families and so on and so forth. "We are people
00:13:56who are in slavery, we are people who, you can't vote
00:13:59against someone when you work in his cabinet, your aunt works
00:14:03there, and you feed your family, and you feed your parents from that, and so on
00:14:07and so forth, we multiply all that, we are just
00:14:10scared and blackmailed people and we are not stifled
00:14:14people, so it was shown
00:14:17when it comes to Sarajevo and those, I don't know, five, six days of protests, that
00:14:21we are not stifled people, it shows, well, I mean."
00:14:25"We are not stifled people when there is a marathon through Sarajevo, people
00:14:28run, so they have a need to express something, we are
00:14:32simply people who are blackmailed by this system, anywhere
00:14:36and at any level, and simply it's not
00:14:39worth it for you, I mean, you will lose your job if you rebel
00:14:42against the government. Well, I see that now, my colleague from Tuzla
00:14:46called me, he is a journalist for an independent portal, and a
00:14:50minister is threatening him because of a text that our colleague didn't
00:14:53write, in fact he didn't even..." because of a text, but because
00:14:56of a Facebook status, so they regularly check
00:15:00our we regularly witness such phenomena, it doesn't have to be published in the media,
00:15:04but on, is it they specialized in
00:15:07several things, that is corruption, that is
00:15:10nepotism, that is this stalking, I mean, I
00:15:14claimed four years ago and now I am completely sure,
00:15:18so there is, I stated that somewhere with you or with some
00:15:21colleagues, they only fought in their heads.
00:15:25Not all of them, but most of them, to take these, what is it
00:15:28called, services so they can control us, they
00:15:32have been doing that successfully for four years, so I am saying this
00:15:36very publicly. I am saying this with full, as I would say, material
00:15:39and moral responsibility, they
00:15:43monitor us, so you, me, who are
00:15:46media workers, nothing important, but they monitor those who
00:15:50could be an obstacle, you just said when we
00:15:53commented on this tram accident, that is
00:15:56force, the connection between the prosecutor's office and the government,
00:16:00well, here this force is demonstrated by the fact that we have a government that has resigned in the Canton
00:16:03of Sarajevo, which continues to function, we have a uh...
00:16:07the director of Gras, who has resigned, is still in that position,
00:16:11and actually is that the song
00:16:14"the system doesn't allow that"
00:16:15well,
00:16:18I mean, it was clear to all of us that
00:16:21nothing would come of that resignation,
00:16:24so the problem is not that they resigned and then, how can I say,
00:16:28didn't implement it, the problem is that they continued to work,
00:16:32or to work at the same pace as before,
00:16:36so spending money, entertainment,
00:16:39hiring, uh, as if nothing is happening, and
00:16:42yes, as if nothing is happening, and furthermore, in that technical
00:16:46mandate that has been going on for a long time, eight months
00:16:50probably, furthermore, they, so, no one
00:16:53will convince me, we'll see, you can call me after the elections and
00:16:57we'll see if I was right, if they
00:17:00are using state resources for their private campaigns,
00:17:04so, please, campaigns are everything." "Every
00:17:08day Tuzla, Sarajevo, Mostar, Bihać,
00:17:11Banja Luka, Zvornik, when do they arrive, do they go to work
00:17:15these days, I mean, some official, some politicians from
00:17:19Sarajevo will reach Gradačac, they must at least
00:17:22take two or three hours off their working time, well, everything has long since
00:17:25stopped in Bosnia and Herzegovina, they get paid for
00:17:28that, they get paid for these one month, do they use drivers
00:17:32that we two pay for, they use them, do they use gas,
00:17:35they use it, maybe I don't know..." do they pay the bills in the cafe privately
00:17:39for so many
00:17:44campaigns, so they are using our resources for
00:17:47their private promotion, because that political campaign is private
00:17:51promotion, so these are millions, how can I
00:17:55say, convertible marks that they will spend
00:17:58of our money, and
00:18:01again, nothing will happen. So, you know, Transparency International will react
00:18:04a little, the CEC will warn that it... should not be done
00:18:08and that's it, so, nothing
00:18:11is learned from previous ones, I mean, neither the current ones
00:18:15nor the previous ones learned anything from what their political
00:18:18enemies did, so it's done the same,
00:18:22more violently, worse, when I say, that it could be learned now, given that we
00:18:26constantly see the same characters on the political scene, these three
00:18:29parties claimed that they were coming to power to be
00:18:33different from the SDA. If they saw what... the SDA doesn't know
00:18:36how to work, why didn't they do it the right way?
00:18:40način?
00:18:42I mean, they could have corrected the mistakes that the SDA made. What would you,
00:18:46how would you actually rate, since we already started in that direction, but we will come back to these
00:18:50other things that we should comment on, and generally how do you rate
00:18:54the past mandate of the current government, what would you consider their greatest
00:18:58success and what their failure? I can't, I really, I mean, he will come
00:19:02here anyway and talk about his successes, nor
00:19:05will I talk about their failures. Even though that would actually
00:19:08be seen here by the ministers, and I don't know about those successes, but in
00:19:12the field, it's a completely different picture, so, uh, I
00:19:15repeat, when I come to you, when I talk about the European Union, did we
00:19:19touch upon the topic of the European Union every time, how many
00:19:23more then you tell me, well, he just said that
00:19:26it will be so, I told you that in my lifetime they will not
00:19:30do it, they now admit that they will not do it, so I can't
00:19:34remember a million problems that were
00:19:37before these authorities, that are not
00:19:40solvable, there are subjective and objective
00:19:43circumstances, I will not talk about their successes, because
00:19:47if you asked me to shed some light on it, I wouldn't know. I could only remember
00:19:50the Clinical Center and the appointment of Dr. Pilav as the head of the Clinical
00:19:54Center, because it was clear that something was being done there, well, when we talk about this
00:19:58state coalition that fell apart two years after the beginning of its mandate,
00:20:01it exists, it doesn't exist, so
00:20:04I just published a text in...
00:20:07"We are currently analyzing four
00:20:11years of party mandates and yesterday
00:20:14the HDZ came out, there's a subtitle that one
00:20:18should learn from Dragan Čović, today the
00:20:21SNSD came out, it says in the subtitle, if I
00:20:24remember correctly, and I think I will, only
00:20:28the naive (in brackets) and some from the Trojka (tripartite coalition)
00:20:31hoped that Milorad Dodik could change,
00:20:34so we knew that nothing would come
00:20:37of that coalition, that it wasn't even
00:20:41love, but mathematics. Here I see if
00:20:45the SDP has something, no, I thought it was DF, I thought it
00:20:49was some press conference. This abrupt to tell us what will be
00:20:52new - so we don't have a coalition
00:20:55at the state level, we have one, I wouldn't say a coalition,
00:20:58but that one mathematical love, that is HDZ, SNSD and
00:21:02it actually determines all directions in this country, and we have
00:21:06that mimicry of the Troika parties who pretend
00:21:10to be in power. Yesterday I saw how
00:21:13the minister, the state minister of communications, crosses
00:21:17the street and talks to some cars,
00:21:20cars that are speeding, so, stick to your
00:21:23department, cars
00:21:25are speeding, he, no, he doesn't stick to it, it's not the department
00:21:29of the Ministry of Communications to stand on a pedestrian crossing and say that
00:21:33cars should not speed, so he said, "And look
00:21:36at this car that just sped past,"
00:21:39so their mandate was not to salt
00:21:43the city, to clean this uh
00:21:47city, that was not the mandate of this...
00:21:51uh state representative Čudić, nor the federal
00:21:54minister
00:21:56of environment, nor Forte, nor
00:21:59PDG, so I'm talking about our side, so they
00:22:03engaged in bizarre populism
00:22:06and what offends me the most is that they underestimated
00:22:09us so much, they think we are
00:22:13stupid enough not to see, not to
00:22:16understand what they are doing, was that their attempt to? to
00:22:20actually, excuse me for interrupting, to cover up their awareness
00:22:24that they are not
00:22:27up to leaders like Dragan Čović
00:22:30and Milorad Dodik? Do you think they think that? They think,
00:22:34so, here we are talking about these three
00:22:37leaders of the Troika uh
00:22:41Konaković, Nikšić, and Mr.
00:22:44Čudić, they think they are more resourceful,
00:22:48smarter, more capable.
00:22:51Wiser than Čović and
00:22:55Dodik, at the same time they don't see the most important
00:22:58thing, everything that Milorad Dodik has envisioned
00:23:02so far, he has achieved it, one way or
00:23:05another. Yes, he is punished, he cannot run for election,
00:23:08but don't forget, SNSD
00:23:11is not Milorad Dodik, strong party
00:23:14infrastructure, employed people in companies,
00:23:17holds all companies, there are no more sanctions,
00:23:21right, with HDZ, it's the same, so they
00:23:24really think, they thought from the beginning that
00:23:28they could outsmart both Dodik and Čović. There wasn't much
00:23:31smart talk with Čović because he didn't cause so many
00:23:35problems, this about the dismantling of the state
00:23:38system, he personally didn't, but someone
00:23:41hid behind Milorad, and he did hide, but he
00:23:45wasn't so obvious in, and so then we
00:23:48used the matrix, now we will talk a little about
00:23:52something that is not good about SDA, we switched to the matrix, now
00:23:55we will talk about what Milorad Dodik is doing. We saw what
00:23:58Milorad Dodik is doing, we didn't need to be explained, we are not idiots, we didn't need
00:24:02to be explained, work, work, but no, they couldn't
00:24:06reach him, so now we have, I'm just curious what
00:24:10will happen if the situation in October is
00:24:13the same, even though do you believe it will be? I don't
00:24:16believe it will be, don't ask me what I believe because
00:24:20it would somehow be unprofessional on my part,
00:24:23but what will happen if the situation is the same, hypothetically, let's say
00:24:27and hypothetically, if it is, for example, what is the alternative
00:24:30to the Troika that is adequate and can challenge both Dodik and Čović? Is
00:24:34it the SDA, somewhere partially the SDP where it is mentioned that they could coalesce,
00:24:38like that, but if you remember how, for example,
00:24:41our party, as the saying
00:24:44goes, claimed, "we will never cooperate with
00:24:48HDZ and SNSD." And when the
00:24:51opportunity arose, Forte was exactly like this car
00:24:54that sped by, so the car runs down the street and
00:24:58Forte runs for power, and so on, and so easily one doesn't retract those
00:25:01words "never." If you had the chance to hear, whenever I asked any leader here,
00:25:05no one said "never," "never ever" lately, I mean, probably driven
00:25:09by that from before, because power and this
00:25:12little power they think they have are actually much
00:25:15more important than all principles
00:25:19they had and we must be
00:25:22very honest, so towards everyone, towards each one,
00:25:26especially towards ourselves. If you looked at what
00:25:29the party platforms are,
00:25:32any of those parties, so
00:25:35they don't differ by five grams, maybe with the exception of
00:25:39the SNSD and HDZ, there is always
00:25:42the mantra of the election law, maybe a new electoral unit,
00:25:46uh uh, I don't know, a program in Croatian. a change of stance
00:25:50and so on, but from here, I mean
00:25:53these nominally
00:25:57uh centrists, these a little left, then these a little
00:26:01right, including. That means in no way do they, in what way do they
00:26:04differ, just power, just power,
00:26:07let's employ our own. Somehow everything is the same from election cycle to election cycle, but let's
00:26:11see, when we look back at these past seven days of campaigning, how much has
00:26:15passed, what is it that struck you as a first
00:26:18impression, what left an impression
00:26:22on you, what did you see on the streets, what did you
00:26:25hear at these rallies? Populism
00:26:28and no restraint.
00:26:31So, they really understood that
00:26:34elections are won on social networks, and they are doing it. This morning I
00:26:38saw that obscure, I still
00:26:41hope someone will tell me after the show that it's not true, this
00:26:45pre-election ad for Haris Zahir,
00:26:48Haris Zahiregić, who kills dragons,
00:26:51so you can only emotionally participate, laugh
00:26:55inside. I'll be very open, so the guy kills
00:26:59dragons and plants the flag
00:27:02of Bosnia understand, he's the dragon of Bosnia, killing
00:27:06dragons of Bosnia and so on, this car is speeding past
00:27:09what's-his-name, uh,
00:27:12the car across the road, they appear like Jehovah's Witnesses at
00:27:16the door, carrying empty bags. My son brought
00:27:19me a bag, a piece of paper, and a pen
00:27:23the day before yesterday, and
00:27:26well, thank you, as they say, never look a gift horse in the mouth, but
00:27:30really, I mean, paper, hey. winter pencils
00:27:33and so, you can't even get over that. What I noticed is that a lot
00:27:37is being spent on these campaigns, going on buses, in columns,
00:27:40so that's a lot of money for jackets that are not cheap at all, so
00:27:44for those pre-election rallies where there are sound systems,
00:27:47posters, I saw that someone, that
00:27:50Mr. Bakir Izetbegović is running his campaign under
00:27:54the last name Izetbegović, first we could see
00:27:58those jackets with many parties on
00:28:01two or. not a few, not a few,
00:28:04not a few, I must tell you, but here, here's what
00:28:08I said, half of Mr. Bakir Izetbegović's head, does it say
00:28:11Izetbegović? Now I guess I should guess if he is Alija, Sabija
00:28:15or Bakir, one of those three, I mean, who is in
00:28:17the picture? Tell me who is in the picture? Then those
00:28:21obscure messages and phrases that make
00:28:24you sick, then dragons that
00:28:28fly, I just watch, really, I, I would now, for
00:28:32example... if I were to participate in a campaign, because I'm
00:28:35like that, I would answer Haris Zahirvić by riding a broom,
00:28:39because they haven't ridden brooms yet, they ride with
00:28:42dragons, they drive cultivators
00:28:46on tractors, planes and trucks, so
00:28:49it's a completely insane situation.
00:28:53I know this might be funny to our viewers,
00:28:57but I'm just trying to, you see
00:29:01how they laugh, and they also find it funny. I'm just trying
00:29:04to actually point out
00:29:14the conversation, but I would like us to reflect on
00:29:16the topic we always seem to
00:29:19return to, the participation of women in
00:29:23elections. How do you view that picture
00:29:26in this year's election process? As they say, "thank you for this
00:29:29question," that's what politicians say... I must say that this is
00:29:33an important topic for me. There are studies, in fact,
00:29:36we never speak idly and I really won't burden your
00:29:40viewers with numbers, but there are
00:29:43studies from democratic and successful countries where it has
00:29:47been proven how much the economy, healthcare,
00:29:50social care
00:29:53uh is more advanced when you have the right
00:29:57women in the right places. So, not politicians, but
00:29:59female politicians. To that end, actually, we... the
00:30:02Info House foundation, in cooperation with with the EED from Brussels,
00:30:06we are actually running a campaign now, we are trying to
00:30:09tell women, be smart, we are not saying vote
00:30:13for women, I mean, it's stupid to even now
00:30:17force someone, but think smart, and when
00:30:20you vote for women, vote for women who have something to offer, we
00:30:24have, through the last 30 years, great
00:30:28women who have done a lot of work, so I would
00:30:31say in this. date I could have perhaps joked a little with
00:30:35salt, I mean I am serious about
00:30:38that populism, but I think that Ms. Sabina
00:30:41Čudić is much, how would I say, more useful and
00:30:44more functional in politics than many
00:30:48men whom we know and who are now holding
00:30:51uh I recognize Ms. Vijanović as
00:30:55much uh more rational than
00:30:58Mr. Dodik.