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00:00:00This information first appeared in the Wall Street Journal that
00:00:03Ursula von der Leyen intends to offer this so-called
00:00:06associated membership, we still don't know the total
00:00:10scope of this. Then there was
00:00:13a lot of discussion about why all of a sudden, uh,
00:00:17it's being discussed and how it will affect the enlargement process and everything else. Then we heard
00:00:21that they are considering it even when it comes to uh
00:00:24Australia, and yesterday my colleague Amir Krivošija and I
00:00:27joked that the European Union is almost now looking like Eurovision
00:00:31with Israel and Australia
00:00:34as associated members, but this can be a good thing for uh
00:00:38Europeans, first because Canadians have
00:00:41certain products, certain capacities that they can
00:00:45place much better on the European market. They also
00:00:48have a very solid defense industry, which can
00:00:51be a good uh
00:00:54factor for Europeans at this moment, and for Canada, this
00:00:58can mean what I... this morning at our regional
00:01:01opening, someone said, we are too dependent on the United
00:01:05States, exactly that, to open a space to have something
00:01:09more uh sources and opportunities
00:01:12to cooperate with other people when they need their products and
00:01:16services? In the meantime, we got that
00:01:20answer, didn't we, from Washington regarding what is happening in
00:01:23Strasbourg. It's not much different from everything that is actually
00:01:27their answer lately, it's short and clear.
00:01:30Tariffs, what else would Donald Trump do, I mean, this
00:01:34has already become, so to speak, ridiculous,
00:01:37because for two years now, whatever happens, he
00:01:41says tariffs, and he thinks that those tariffs will scare someone,
00:01:44that they will intimidate someone more, he told the Chinese
00:01:48that they would pay, I don't know, hundreds of billions of US dollars
00:01:52to Americans, but they didn't pay, then he threatened
00:01:55Carney with these tariffs, then
00:01:58Carney said, "Fine... tariffs, you want tariffs, here you go, I'll just
00:02:02give you back your tariffs, as many as you imposed on us, we'll impose on you,
00:02:05let's see what you'll do now."
00:02:08the domestic public, given Then, for example, a few days ago there was a funny situation related to
00:02:12all this. Trump, during a speech, said something like,
00:02:15"We will ban the Canadian Bombardier from selling
00:02:19uh its planes uh in
00:02:22the United States," uh,
00:02:25precisely because of that trade war, and then from a federal state that is one
00:02:29of the key players for Republicans at
00:02:32of Republika Srpska, and kissed the cross on this moment before the elections in November, everyone jumped up and said, "No, no, no, don't touch
00:02:35Bombardier, don't cause us problems," because what we
00:02:39have at this moment is about 5,000 workers who produce engines, who
00:02:43produce parts and assemble those Bombardiers in
00:02:47uh the United States and then just transfer them
00:02:51- to Canada to uh be
00:02:54completed. Also, the automotive industry is already
00:02:57showing nervousness because of the fact that...
00:03:01a large number of parts for car production in the United
00:03:04States, several times
00:03:06could read and hear at during the production of one car cross the border between Canada and
00:03:10the United States. So what he
00:03:13is threatening with tariffs to both Europeans and Canadians, I think it will only
00:03:17help both of them to simply say, "Come on, let's
00:03:20forget about them for a while until this mandate ends, then we'll see what we'll do."
00:03:24But there are two years left until the end of the mandate, a lot can
00:03:27happen in the next two years, there can be... great damage to the United
00:03:31States. And this morning, just as almost
00:03:34every morning we reflect on Donald Trump's moves, we reflect on
00:03:38Iran, but I say this morning not on the situation
00:03:42caused by Donald Trump's moves, but actually on the state
00:03:45of human rights, which we often hear about from
00:03:50property. First of all, let's the Iranian Nobel laureate Mohammadi, who again used her time outside
00:03:53of prison to actually draw attention to the
00:03:56suffering of prisoners. That's what we
00:04:00found out this time, and what I have to say is that when
00:04:04I saw this report that my colleague from
00:04:08CNN prepared, or rather the interview with Narges Mohammadi, uh,
00:04:12I was positively surprised and I'm glad that we see her looking relatively
00:04:16well. We had a lot of information in the past period that her
00:04:19condition was critical, that she was in very poor health,
00:04:23that at one point it was even being
00:04:26discussed whether she had died in detention or in prison.
00:04:30Or, mm, no, mm, luckily no. Here
00:04:33we see mm her here in this clip,
00:04:37or rather mm a photograph from this interview. What
00:04:41she says here is that the regime
00:04:44implements very repressive measures against those who are in
00:04:48prison. For example, in her case, she already has 44, 45
00:04:51years of imprisonment sentences. Every subsequent activity
00:04:54leads to the addition of new
00:04:58indictments, new years. in prison, but she says that she would never
00:05:02change what she is doing at this moment in her life, now in
00:05:05memoirs that are coming out very soon, we have already announced them in our program, Narges
00:05:09Mohammadi talks about it.
00:05:12"What happens in prisons, what kind of torture, what kind of
00:05:16torment, mm, how executions are carried
00:05:19out without a court judgment, without
00:05:22the court's permission to do so, and what she did was,
00:05:26she says, I directly mention the names
00:05:29of those who committed it so it remains recorded that
00:05:33someday in the future they might be held accountable before justice for what
00:05:37they uh did. Also, in this
00:05:40photograph, we see there..." in the background
00:05:44Mahsa Amini, who I couldn't even believe it when my colleague Džamana
00:05:47Karače said that four
00:05:51years had passed since her death, it passed like that in a second,
00:05:55that is another devastating fact, and it seems
00:05:58to me that what is happening now in a geopolitical
00:06:02sense with Iran, with the United States, will only
00:06:05harm people like Narges Mohammadi even more,
00:06:09because the regime is becoming increasingly repressive towards those who disagree
00:06:13uh with the regime, but it's good that we have the opportunity
00:06:16to see her, that she is alive, healthy
00:06:20she is not, she is very
00:06:22sick, but she is alive at this moment, this
00:06:26comes as good news for her family that they can
00:06:29see her, because her family has been living in exile for many
00:06:32years, and her children who are
00:06:36some somewhat older teenagers, it's already been a decade or
00:06:40a decade and a half that they haven't
00:06:42you, seen her live, but only occasionally
00:06:44when she appears in public. Mhm, Esmire, thank
00:06:48we will most likely see each other later, with our
00:06:52next interlocutors, we will talk about the world again,
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00:12:13With our next two guests in the new day,
00:12:16we analyze messages from Strasbourg, but also
00:12:19messages from the United States of America sent to Bosnia and Herzegovina and the
00:12:23region, and the story we will... watch before that is just a brief
00:12:26introduction to part of what awaits us
00:12:29as a topic with our interlocutors. Here's a reminder of
00:12:33the reactions from Europe, but also, of course, from the United States of
00:12:37America, regarding the glorification of convicted war criminal Ratko
00:12:40Mladić. The picture that the state minister of foreign
00:12:44trade and economic relations himself published and praised in
00:12:48anticipation, as he says, of the resurrection of the dead, he laid
00:12:51a wreath on the grave of the convicted war criminal, a badge with the flag
00:12:57which the name and surname of Ratko Mladić are written. Condemnations that
00:13:00have been arriving in recent days from European parliamentarians and American
00:13:04congressmen who condemned the glorification of convicted
00:13:07war criminals, obviously did not bother
00:13:11Košarac. On the contrary, not only Mr. Košarac, but no one
00:13:14from either
00:13:17politicians in power or those in opposition, if
00:13:21we are talking about Republika Srpska. Just three or four
00:13:25days ago, the mayor of Banja Luka, Draško
00:13:29Stanivuković, announced that a memorial bust of
00:13:32Ratko Mladić would be built in the center of Banja Luka
00:13:35at the monument to fallen fighters, which best shows
00:13:39that absolutely no one cares about the stance
00:13:41of the international community. The President
00:13:45of the European Commission reiterated today that she was disgusted by the footage from the funeral
00:13:49of convicted war criminal Ratko Mladić in Belgrade last
00:13:52of the European Union in the European Parliament, she said that the glorification of war
00:13:55criminals simply has no place in the European
00:13:58Union. All victims of the wars in the former
00:14:00Yugoslavia deserve to be remembered, and all
00:14:04their families deserve our sympathy, because that is what
00:14:08we as a union stand for, for truth, justice,
00:14:12respect for our values. Similar statements could be heard
00:14:15from European parliamentarians the day before, but with direct condemnation of Serbia and
00:14:19officials from Republika Srpska. Many demanded concrete
00:14:22sanctions, but Lajen did not mention that. In Washington, criticism
00:14:26from American congressmen regarding Milorad Dodik, Serbia, and the policy that
00:14:30divides Bosnia and Herzegovina, is a unified stance: the glorification of war
00:14:33criminals must not be tolerated. However, after yesterday's debate in the American
00:14:37Congress, it is clear that Donald
00:14:41Trump's current administration considers the Dodik
00:14:43case
00:14:45What kind of messages are we sending when we talk about American
00:14:48interests? On the one hand, security interests and America's
00:14:52concerns regarding Russia were omitted from the strategic dialogue,
00:14:55and on the other hand, former convicts who lobby
00:14:58and the president's relatives are involved in the processes. What
00:15:02does that tell the people in
00:15:03the region?
00:15:07The decision to remove Dodik and those around him from the sanctioned list was
00:15:10linked to resolving and calming the deepest political
00:15:14crisis in Bosnia and Herzegovina in recent decades. As
00:15:17a result of American diplomacy, Milorad Dodik resigned from
00:15:21the position of President of Republika Srpska, and the legislature
00:15:25adopted laws that annulled the most
00:15:28anti-Dayton acts that were previously passed. Adnan
00:15:32Huskić comments, things could change if the Democrats
00:15:36win a majority in the American Congress in the upcoming elections
00:15:39in early November. However, Brussels' policy remains
00:15:42unchanged, there is no red card for Serbia in
00:15:46the European Union. However, what remains, that problematic part,
00:15:50is that the European Union still does not have a clear relationship
00:15:54with Bosnia and Herzegovina. Because, as we just heard, this is a red
00:15:57line, nothing has changed, so you essentially have
00:16:01no consequences
00:16:04for the authorities in of the European Commission previously announced a
00:16:08visit to the Western Balkan countries. It is not
00:16:11known at this moment whether she will bypass Serbia. Tina
00:16:14Jelindizdar N1.
00:16:31And what is changing today in American policy towards Bosnia
00:16:35and Herzegovina, how important could that change be
00:16:38for the future of our country? In the American Congress, a few
00:16:42days ago there was talk of lifting sanctions on Milorad Dodik, about
00:16:45the southern interconnection, state property, the future
00:16:49of the OHR. Some warn that the Trump administration, through these
00:16:53moves, politically strengthens Dodik and weakens the state
00:16:56institutions of Bosnia and Herzegovina, while his
00:16:59administration offers a completely different explanation, that the time
00:17:02of American imposition of solutions is over and that responsibility
00:17:06should be returned to local politicians. At the same time,
00:17:09today the candidate for the new US ambassador to Bosnia and
00:17:13Herzegovina comes before the Senate. What is actually happening in Washington and
00:17:17what is the new American calculation for Bosnia and Herzegovina?
00:17:39a few days ago, which certainly attracted a lot
00:17:42of attention in
00:17:46the still current topics in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Let's
00:17:49start with Milorad Dodik and the sanctions, given that
00:17:53we could very directly hear
00:17:56the explanation that his behavior after
00:17:59the sanctions has not changed. How do you interpret
00:18:03all that discussion, everything we heard, that is, on
00:18:07the one hand, a request for the return of those sanctions, and on the other
00:18:10hand, the justification of the Trump
00:18:13administration for their lifting.
00:18:26Several members of Congress stated
00:18:29that Dodik
00:18:31has already
00:18:34violated
00:18:38the principles for which
00:18:40these
00:18:43sanctions were imposed,
00:18:46and that there is a basis for them to be reimposed,
00:18:49however, this administration
00:18:53says that the sanctions were lifted because
00:18:57he withdrew the anti-Dayton
00:18:59laws last
00:19:02but
00:19:06since then, Dr. Dodik
00:19:08has, if not maintained, then even
00:19:12gone further in his rhetoric, so
00:19:15I don't think that there is
00:19:17convincing, sound logic
00:19:21behind the explanation of this new
00:19:25administration
00:19:26as to why
00:19:30the sanctions
00:19:33were lifted and why they will not eventually be reimposed.
00:19:36Uh, what Mr. Lawton said in Congress
00:19:39was not convincing to me,
00:19:43especially when they asked him if he would reimpose
00:19:46sanctions, Mr.
00:19:50Lawton
00:19:53did not commit that it was possible. On
00:19:57the other hand, congressmen reminded him of
00:20:00the law that Congress adopted at the end of 2025,
00:20:03which actually provided for sanctions for
00:20:06actors who threaten peace and stability in
00:20:09the Western Balkans. If that is the correct
00:20:13interpretation of that law, can it then happen that the executive
00:20:16branch in America, in the state where you come from,
00:20:20and Congress on the other hand, find themselves in a direct
00:20:24conflict over Dodik in
00:20:27the period that is ahead of us,
00:20:29it can happen that they are in
00:20:32conflict. I think there already
00:20:36is
00:20:39a difference of opinion which is
00:20:41obvious.
00:20:44And now, we will see
00:20:46today.
00:20:50When Mr. Johnson appears before
00:20:53Congress, will the same question arise before
00:20:56a larger number of congressmen regarding
00:21:00this issue? It should, but
00:21:03we will see.
00:21:06On the list of what needs to be done
00:21:08and
00:21:11about what they can
00:21:13conflict over in Congress, where they will
00:21:17potentially be more numerous.
00:21:20After these November elections,
00:21:23we will definitely hear this story again, it's just
00:21:27a question of how much the
00:21:31administration of the president
00:21:34will push its agenda.
00:21:38It is clear to me that this current
00:21:42administration does not want and will not reimpose
00:21:45sanctions on Dodik.
00:21:47Mhm, they said
00:21:51that instrument, that they will use it if
00:21:54they assess that someone has threatened either
00:21:58stability or American interests. Now, you are someone
00:22:02who certainly knows the situation in the United
00:22:05States of America very well, but also in Bosnia and Herzegovina, where you have lived for more
00:22:08than twenty years. What would
00:22:10you say, considering the
00:22:14situation in both countries, what action, if any, could
00:22:18either Dodik or any of the actors in Bosnia and Herzegovina take
00:22:22for American sanctions to be
00:22:24reconsidered?
00:22:31I think that Dodik currently feels
00:22:34untouchable,
00:22:36meaning that he will go unpunished,
00:22:40so I really don't know what would
00:22:42have to happen,
00:22:45um, or what anti-Dayton
00:22:49move he would have to make for
00:22:51whether he would eventually put police on
00:22:55the border between entities or declare
00:22:58independence, will that be the move that will
00:23:01reopen the discussion
00:23:04about imposing
00:23:06sanctions?
00:23:09Louis Kryscho, who is currently the acting
00:23:12High Representative,
00:23:15is a person who has only
00:23:18je osoba koja je samo.
00:23:20warned all sides
00:23:22uh
00:23:26in terms of the activities they
00:23:28undertake, but no sanction, no
00:23:32serious sanction that should be imposed for
00:23:36anti-Dayton actions, has been considered,
00:23:39as far as I know. Yes, the instrument
00:23:41exists,
00:23:46will the Treasury Department again
00:23:50impose know if they have red
00:23:53lines or if it
00:23:57is something for which they need to call the White House and get their
00:24:00approval before reimposing sanctions. Yes, uh,
00:24:04in the Democrats' report, Dodik was not much different
00:24:07from and
00:24:10from the energy projects that await
00:24:13us in that sense, certainly of American
00:24:17interests, we are talking about the southern
00:24:20interconnection, the continuation, and Keating
00:24:23warned of possible wider political trade,
00:24:26citing politically empowered Dodik, a weakened
00:24:29OHR, and American interest in the southern interconnection, as something
00:24:33that could create particular pressure on the authorities of Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:24:37regarding the issue of state
00:24:40address that, how serious do you think that scenario is?
00:24:44Mhm.
00:24:53I don't see a direct connection there.
00:24:56The southern
00:24:59interconnection should only pass through the
00:25:01federation. The law has been adopted, but as far
00:25:05as I know, the contract has not been signed,
00:25:09and it should have been signed
00:25:12at the same time when the amendments
00:25:15to the law were adopted. As far as I know, the contract
00:25:19with the contractor has also not been
00:25:23signed.
00:25:27I know that we also need to work with
00:25:30the Croatian side, but of course, state
00:25:34property must be utilized
00:25:37if we want to see, or if they want to see
00:25:41that pipeline built. But
00:25:45it has been clear for years that
00:25:48Milorad Dodik is focused
00:25:52on state property, that he
00:25:54also received Vučić's
00:25:57support, that his
00:25:59eyes are constantly
00:26:03fixed on state property, because he wants
00:26:06to dispose of it, eventually sell
00:26:10state property, and everyone wants to
00:26:13play, to be involved in this game, not just
00:26:17Dodik, but it seems that only Dodik would be
00:26:20at the top of that pyramid, but no, there are many
00:26:24others who want to invest
00:26:27to extract profit from Bosnia and Herzegovina
00:26:31based on solving the problem
00:26:33of state, under quotation marks, the problem of state
00:26:36property.
00:26:40In the Congress
00:26:44report, we said that this is a constitutional
00:26:47issue, and we said that the
00:26:515 + 2 condition for closing the OHR
00:26:53has always been a too low
00:26:57bar for closing the OHR, because in
00:27:00fact, if you remove... the EUFOR
00:27:03and the OHR, you no longer have instruments for
00:27:06implementing and ensuring
00:27:09the Dayton
00:27:13Agreement.
00:27:16If you don't have that, then you must have another operational
00:27:19system, so either state property
00:27:22will be left
00:27:25as state until
00:27:29the moment you don't have
00:27:33a democratic government and a more responsible government,
00:27:37Dodik wants that Pandora's Box to be opened, but he
00:27:40is certainly not the only one who
00:27:43wants it. There are domestic
00:27:47and foreign actors who see their interest there, who
00:27:51want to uh, have state
00:27:54property lowered to the entity level and even
00:27:57lower. And that is a cause for
00:28:01concern.
00:28:05I hope that the members
00:28:08of PIC and the European Union
00:28:11show a firm stance on this issue, but I haven't seen them
00:28:15do it so far. Yes, a lot of Congressmen
00:28:19talked about possible pressure even on
00:28:22the Bosniak member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina to
00:28:25accept a solution for that state property that will be in
00:28:29favor of what has been advocated for many years.
00:28:33Republika Srpska, but the issue of state property
00:28:36was not actually the only segment discussed and warned about
00:28:40when talking about the southern
00:28:43interconnection, when it comes to ties
00:28:47between the company and the Trump administration, what
00:28:51is it that is somehow most important that we could
00:29:06In Kitin's report, you
00:29:09the hearing
00:29:13that there is a lot
00:29:16of information that we publicly know
00:29:20that the company
00:29:23firma
00:29:25was founded right
00:29:28after it was announced.
00:29:32Whether America has an interest in making that
00:29:35interconnection for BiH
00:29:39gas to be excluded from that
00:29:43project with Bechtel, who was also
00:29:46interested in participating in that project, now it is no longer
00:29:49clear who will do what,
00:29:53but
00:29:57it was seen in the papers that there is a connection
00:30:01between Trump's interests and this
00:30:04project,
00:30:11but it is clear to me according to
00:30:14the report
00:30:16that at the core of the previous
00:30:19policy, this is a big
00:30:22deviation.
00:30:26The US has supported this
00:30:30project for some time.
00:30:33And from the beginning it was supposed
00:30:37to be part of the Adriatic
00:30:40gas pipeline, but it wasn't,
00:30:43so
00:30:47to move away from all that, to a company
00:30:50that was founded immediately
00:30:53after the adoption of the amendments to the law
00:30:57on gas.