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00:00:00"heavily armed swat
00:00:01of teams, armored vehicles surrounding Margery Stoneman, Douglas High
00:00:05School, deadly school shooting in South Florida, the
00:00:09shooter walked down the hallway, I heard
00:00:12of young man
00:00:13of in crying for his mother, after 17 people were killed in a shooting
00:00:17at his high school in Parkland, Florida, people are going to keep saying it's
00:00:21of never going to happen to me, but when you don't take action, things like this
00:00:25eventually will happen to you. David Hog
00:00:28of dedicated his life to political..." activism.
00:00:32We will save lives. In
00:00:35of February of last year. How are we
00:00:36of doing, fellow Democrats? He became co-chair
00:00:42in of the DNC and led an effort to unseat democrats in primary elections who he
00:00:46said were asleep at the wheel. We are here to
00:00:50find the most effective young people in our country, truly generational leaders
00:00:54and replace people that are failing to meet the moment right
00:00:56of now. It's pretty unusual for top member of Democratic leadership.
00:01:00to openly plot to kick incumbants out of office, and yet that's what my guest
00:01:04today is doing. the move was not well received by party
00:01:08leaders and party elders. to go out and raise
00:01:12money
00:01:12of to defeat members
00:01:13of the same party. i think that's a jack ass rate
00:01:16of the highest level. after few months, hog resigned from the
00:01:20DNC, but he's continued fighting for generational
00:01:24of change in found me in my native habitat. i want
00:01:26to introduce David who has been working to engage younger voters.
00:01:30I'm here today because I want to feel hope in politics again.
00:01:33Hog is using his pack leaders we deserve to support young
00:01:37candidates to refuse to accept dark special interest
00:01:41money. Maybe the reason young people are not huge fans of
00:01:45democrats or politics in general is because politics doesn't give
00:01:49a shit about them. You guys ready to change that?
00:01:52Yes. Why was
00:01:57of there a need for what you're doing within the Democratic parties?
00:02:00infrastructure, have you seen
00:02:01the Democrats? I mean, if you look at Congress, I think it kind of speaks for
00:02:05itself. We have a government that is dominated and focused on
00:02:09people that are legislating that are not going to live to see the effects of many
00:02:12of the policies that they're passing. The reality is, we cannot continue to sell
00:02:16democracy to a
00:02:17of generation
00:02:18of that the system that we call democracy is not working for, and I
00:02:22think New
00:02:22of York City is actually one
00:02:23of the first places we did that, we were uh Zoran's largest funder in his primary, we spent
00:02:27$300,00 supporting him. Today he's.
00:02:32of
00:02:38and i approve this message because this campaign is about you, not me. can talk about
00:02:42you? like danny, valdez is
00:02:45democratic socialist. the sort of older generation
00:02:49that is afraid
00:02:51of the word socialist, that's not sticking with young
00:02:55people, right? it's true, and we see after poll after poll that democratic socialism is
00:02:59becoming more popular. kind of in every age group, but especially with young voters, and
00:03:03I think it's precisely because you like know, me,
00:03:05like so many people have worked low-wage jobs, felt like they had no career
00:03:09path, felt really
00:03:10a locked out of
00:03:11in home ownership and what we've traditionally thought of as the American dream,
00:03:14and we know that the system is the problem. Democratic Socialist
00:03:18Zoran Mamdani will be elected the next mayor of
00:03:22New York, New York. It's impossible not to feel a sense of hope for
00:03:26better tomorrow. Um, Danny's historic win. and
00:03:30success with an openly democratic
00:03:33of socialist platform shocked many within the Democratic
00:03:37party. I no longer have to prove that this kind
00:03:41of politics
00:03:42of works. I can just point the on. one communist on the
00:03:46faculty of one university as one communist too
00:03:49many. communism and
00:03:52of socialism have long been bad words in American politics
00:03:56dating back to the McCarty hearings and the cold...
00:04:00a of or america stood for capitalism, they use the word social
00:04:04democrat buse it sounds so nice, but it's really
00:04:08communism, you're talking about, but that is changing, you
00:04:12understand, I think rightly, this is social democracy, this is
00:04:15not golag socialism, this is not the Soviet Union
00:04:19socialism, socialism on the other hand, up like rocket, look at
00:04:23this, two and three democrats have favorable view of
00:04:26socialism, capitalism is even less popular. among young
00:04:30people, if politicians want to know how to get elected,
00:04:34it is not complicated, do your
00:04:37me job and represent the people, not the special interests buying
00:04:41out our elections. what i think a lot about is the
00:04:45fact that if
00:04:46of we do not start making our political system work for
00:04:50people that feel
00:04:51of like they are living
00:04:52in a broken promise, where they've done as a
00:04:57of generation everything we've been told average right? "we've gone to college at some
00:05:01of the highest rates of
00:05:02of anybody of any generation in American history, contrary to popular belief, we've
00:05:05actually voted at the highest rates of any generational cohort at our
00:05:09age in American history, consistently." " Often
00:05:13when belief
00:05:14in the system collapses, civil unrest and violence
00:05:18follow.
00:05:19The CEO of United Health Care
00:05:22was murdered this morning. Some young Americans
00:05:26celebrated the murder of healthcare CEO Brian
00:05:29Thompson. Unfortunately, I don't think that we really lost
00:05:33like that great of member of our society. How do you
00:05:35think Brian Tomson's family feels
00:05:39when he hears, when they hear that? Well, obviously. I'm not going to try to say something
00:05:43insensitive about his children, but I do want to kind of remind the
00:05:47people that he was also denying life saving care to hundreds if
00:05:51not thousands of families. How do you think their families feel when their loved
00:05:55ones are lost? How do you feel about that and and clearly as
00:05:59somebody who has survived gun violence in this
00:06:03country?
00:06:04it it I'll tell you it is the thing that keeps me up at night more than anything. And
00:06:08it's not just like that specific instance. There is a deep, deep...
00:06:12deep frustration with how our political system is not
00:06:16working for the people who need it most. if we do not start to make it work, people
00:06:20are going to find somebody who promises to do that, even if it's without
00:06:24democracy. we need to fight against a system
00:06:27design to keep us separated,
00:06:31divided, marginalized and oppressed. there is
00:06:35clearly an appetite for change, but democrats are
00:06:38divided on just how radical that change should be.
00:06:42"we say no more to the democratic collaborators
00:06:45too,
00:06:51i thought the big takeaway in
00:06:542024 was democrats need to go everywhere, wasn't that the
00:06:57takeaway? i'm shocked that we're seeing
00:07:01moderate center left democrats saying they're not even going to speak to
00:07:05Hassan Piker when we know that the
00:07:08best way to get message out is to go to places where they..." not
00:07:12otherwise hear
00:07:13it,
00:07:21oh thank you, thank you, thank you, we got to get
00:07:24picture, i appreciate you
00:07:27onmy, oh he's so
00:07:31cute, we also have with us mr
00:07:34hasan, piker, what's going
00:07:38on st louis, hasan piker has been traveling
00:07:42the country, leveraging his online fame to back progressive
00:07:46candidates and broadcasting their rallies to his 3 million
00:07:50twitch followers. we all know the republicans are corrupt, we
00:07:54all know that they're monsters, they're racist, they traffic in
00:07:57hatred, but we are here to
00:08:00say we are no longer going to vote for do nothing,
00:08:04democrats either, we're voting for democrats with a
00:08:07purpose. glory, glory,
00:08:11glory, glory. 'It feels like you're running.
00:08:14It's what people keep saying, but I'm not. Are you
00:08:17concerned that pushing the candidates that you're pushing, you might
00:08:21end up hurting the democrats nationally a general election? I've heard this
00:08:25concern a lot. They said my allegiance was Zaram was
00:08:29actually going to hurt his chances. Andrew Como tried to exploit that. He
00:08:33tried to to really hammer on this point that I was a dangerous
00:08:36radical and and and so was zoron by associating with
00:08:40me. I think for far too long because conventional wisdom in Washington
00:08:43was, don't respond to the needs the people, always
00:08:47focus test your messaging and try to find a moderate
00:08:51centrist vision, and we're finding out that the
00:08:55zoron style candidacy, the bernicrats are are
00:08:59rising up in popularity and and fighting against the
00:09:02establishment and and seeing tremendous
00:09:05success, tremendous
00:09:08success indeed,
00:09:12Story the summer is the far left success in New
00:09:16York, in Colorado, California,
00:09:20Pensilvania and New Jersey, and
00:09:24may God bless the United States of
00:09:26America,
00:09:32Mr. Carval, nice to meet you, I'm Donio
00:09:36Sullivan, one might think all the energy and
00:09:40excitement about new generation of candidates. might be cause for
00:09:43celebration within the Democratic Party. This is what I
00:09:47call a sign of an advanced
00:09:50civilization, but not for party veteran James
00:09:54Carvel. How are you feeling about the midterms? I feel
00:09:58very good. The only thing that can derail us, we
00:10:02could nominate some the wrong candidates in the wrong place and
00:10:06not be as successful as our hope. The wrong candidates,
00:10:10what you mean by that? All right, let's... take
00:10:14in Michigan, now Said is highly competent,
00:10:17but he's way left, I see
00:10:21challenges from the quote,
00:10:24aggressive left, unquote, and
00:10:28these people are too hot headed to know that they're not
00:10:32popular, people don't like them, and uh, but if
00:10:36you get a skewed turnout a
00:10:38primary, you might end up losing race
00:10:42that you should have never lost in the first place. when you say progressive left,
00:10:46you sort there's a tone of contempt there, yeah, yes, so you were
00:10:50very wise, hope the camera was able to pick up the
00:10:53content. this high definition, yeah, yes, they don't
00:10:57win elections, they never run against
00:11:00republicans, they just run against other
00:11:02democrats,
00:11:04and their only message
00:11:08is we're going to blow everything
00:11:10up, at this point you hadn't
00:11:14vetted grand platiner, you hadn't done a full scrub of who he is,
00:11:17how did you go about vetting him? thank you all very much, many the
00:11:21insurgent left candidates are unconventional, "if what
00:11:25the voters wanted were people who were grown in bats and
00:11:29had never done or said anything that they might regret their
00:11:33entire lives. we'd have very different country. flatner, who said he was
00:11:37unaware the tattoos nazi association, explained that it was the
00:11:40result of drunken night out 18 years ago, and
00:11:44some have generated lot of controversy. dora
00:11:48Lisa Avila Chavalier is now facing questions about deleted
00:11:52tweets saying that she's sympathetic to communism. to soviet
00:11:55figures, criticizing interracial relationships, saying black and arab men are
00:11:59both fetishizing ugly colonizer women, did not delete
00:12:03those uh tweets um because i was running for office, deleted my
00:12:07entire twitter account many years ago, would one
00:12:10accusation culminating in gram platiner ending his bid for
00:12:14seniness, did Grand Platner rape you
00:12:18by definition, yes, any accusation of
00:12:22non-consensual behavior is category.
00:12:25false back in Washington DC, it's not only the
00:12:29left-wing candidates that are making some democrats nervous, it's
00:12:33also their support from Hassan Piker. Jonathan
00:12:37Cohen runs the Democratic centrist group third
00:12:40way. Hasan Piquer is unknown
00:12:44to most Americans who determine elections. Swing
00:12:47independent voters have never heard of Hasan Piker. The ones you
00:12:51have wouldn't like him. He's known and popular. among
00:12:55a very small subset of young people who are
00:12:58super online and very radicalized, fine,
00:13:02have at it, that's how he makes a living. you mentioned, piker
00:13:06isn't that famous, but you wrote a wall
00:13:10street journal oped about him, why did you think was
00:13:13important to do that? we called him out because we wanted to
00:13:17warn mainstream democrats, not to associate
00:13:20with him, not to elevate him, not to put him on their platforms or...
00:13:25with him, because in fact that will drive away
00:13:29the swing independent and moderate voters that they need to
00:13:31win. on capital hill, democratic
00:13:34representative
00:13:36josh Gottheimer went so far as to co-author a resolution, condemning
00:13:40piker for what he described as anti-semitic hate
00:13:44speech. this is hate speech intended to inside
00:13:47violence.
00:13:49okay, are you surprised at
00:13:53just how big issue? israel has become, I'm kind of
00:13:56surprised how this issue has become almost a litmus test in
00:14:00primaries across the country, how do you think that's happened? sometimes
00:14:04these issues just uh, they they they get a mind their own.
00:14:08I don't even think when I talk to voters about it and say, well, you're screaming and yelling at me,
00:14:12what are you, what, what really are you upset about, and it's
00:14:16based on part, I think a lot of disinformation out there, I
00:14:19often don't really get answer, except,
00:14:21I don't, I saw something on TikTok, Hassan Piker, you...
00:14:25introduce resolution condemning him along with
00:14:28Kandason's correct for I think what you characterizees
00:14:32anti-semetic hate speech. Can you talk us true why was
00:14:35it important to single out Hassan
00:14:39Piker
00:14:40and and Kandasons in particular? Well when you start ignoring hatred and
00:14:44this is again look at history against any community in this you the hatred
00:14:48bubbles up and if you don't put it out if you don't extinguish the
00:14:51fire the flames just grow and Son Piker is
00:14:55not just some random guy walking down the street screaming something
00:14:59hate filled. He has millions of followers on his streaming
00:15:03platform. By
00:15:04the way, so does Candis Owens, right? Left and right,
00:15:07but still both filled with anger and and and spewing
00:15:11just not only disinformation, just lies and
00:15:15deceat, but ginning people up and targeting communities,
00:15:19including Jewish people. Hassan Piker the many
00:15:22controversial statements he has made, he... has disavowed
00:15:26some, he has said some have been taken out of context, but I mean
00:15:30ultimately he stands by statements in terms of broad support for
00:15:33Hezballah, broad support for Hamas, but there's also via
00:15:37clips of him a speech, think in Oxford in United
00:15:41Kingdom, talking about antisemitism and the plague that
00:15:44that is. anti-semitism is
00:15:46a canary in the coal mine of fascism. it's one the oldest
00:15:49bigotries that has caused those the Jewish faith a tremendous amount of
00:15:53pain. from paggrams to the holocaust, jews have always
00:15:57been singled out by those in power as a scape goat for
00:16:00instability and economic volatility. hasan
00:16:03Piker's argument is that he is anti-zionist.
00:16:08and not anti-semitic and that they are two very different
00:16:11things. if that's what he believes then he should probably practice
00:16:15that because he has done a very good job
00:16:19of of smooshing the two together. we have
00:16:23Bernie Sanders and and Aoc in the building. despite the
00:16:26controversies, there are prominent democrats who recognize Piker's
00:16:30influence and want his followers in the party. I'm going to do
00:16:34rapid fire now. for many on the left is...
00:16:37ending a litm test, calling Israel's
00:16:42aid has yeah, become to out genocide, Israel, yes, sanctioning Israel, yes, a free
00:16:46palestine, of course, but just how fine is the line
00:16:50between criticism of Israel, tolerated
00:16:54form of anti-semitism is
00:16:56anti-izanism. zyanism, as we just heard,
00:17:00is simply the the right the jews to self-determination in their
00:17:03historic homeland, an anti-semitic hate.
00:17:07what you're saying here about voting for Hamas? I'm not literally capable of voting
00:17:11for Hamas or Israel, but isn't that the point of though, right? like so why
00:17:15says?
00:17:21let's see how many phone calls we got today uh last number
00:17:25check was 60,000
00:17:28dials, keep pumping those phones, keep making those
00:17:32calls, keep smiling and dialing. Hassan Piker streams live for up to
00:17:3610 hours a day from his. home in Los Angeles, there's other
00:17:39opportunities to do phone banking uh leading into election day
00:17:43as well. Anyway, love you all, and I will
00:17:47see you tomorrow, same time,
00:17:51same place. For his critics, the 35-year-old has become a
00:17:55symbol the far left insurgency in the Democratic
00:17:58Party. All right, we're here, one that they say will lose
00:18:01general elections and hurt democrats chances of taking over
00:18:05the Senate in the midterms. "our community will be there every step
00:18:09the way. James Carville says, this is all
00:18:13going to implode at the general
00:18:15election. Yeah, as
00:18:19opposed to previous neoliberal democratic candidacies that have been
00:18:22spectacular successes so far. Hillary Rodam
00:18:26Clinton in 2016 and Camela Harris in
00:18:292024. I don't think I'm like exceptionally good
00:18:33at uh prostlatizing the gospel of socialism
00:18:36necessarily. i think
00:18:38there are a lot of people who are just like, this is not working, cost of living crisis is
00:18:42completely out of control, democrats haven't done anything about it, republicans haven't done
00:18:45anything about it, there has to be different
00:18:48alternative,
00:18:53piker became issue himself in
00:18:55the democratic party when he first campaigned with abdul el
00:18:59sayed who was running in the michigan democratic primary for us
00:19:02senate, that's a
00:19:06state that trump and Abdullah
00:19:09is my guy, there was a lot of controversy surrounding my
00:19:13affiliation with him, and there was a month of media
00:19:17coverage, and in the aftermath of that polls came out and
00:19:21it showed that Abdul had actually risen to the top, he was in third place before that
00:19:25happened, and he was in first place after it happened, what Josh and I are trying to
00:19:29do in putting this resolution forward is to say
00:19:33enough, the house resolution sponsored by congressman Gottheimer and
00:19:36Lawler. detail some of Piker's controversial
00:19:40statements with people like Owens and Piker and they're not welcome in our
00:19:43districts and and none of this language and is acceptable either
00:19:47pairing itself up while he has apologized for some of his comments and
00:19:51has said others were taken out a context he has continued to
00:19:55praise hamas you seen
00:19:59this yes I have house
00:20:02resolution that's never
00:20:05gonna get passed too. Hassan Piker, a prominent online streamer, has
00:20:09often used anti-semitic rhetoric, including expressing
00:20:13support for Hamas, designated foreign terrorist
00:20:17organization. Why do you express support from
00:20:20Hamas? Well, I wouldn't say I express support for
00:20:24uh all of Hamas's actions or anything. I do say that the Palestinian
00:20:28resistance largely does have an internationally
00:20:32recognized right to resist. Do they violate that sometimes with war crimes?
00:20:36Absolutely, and certainly has as well, but at the end the
00:20:39day Palestinians do have a right to resist militarily. When you say
00:20:43Hamas is a thousand times better, do you actually mean that or is
00:20:47that
00:20:47a rhetorical move or like a solidarity? signal like
00:20:50what what?
00:20:51mean it's all the above. do mean it. uh, i think it's a rhetorical move,
00:20:55because it frustrates lot of people. i've also said, i'm a harm reduction voter. i'm a lesser
00:20:59evil voter, and therefore i would vote for Hamas over Israel every single time. if you say
00:21:03you're voting for Hamas, you're voting
00:21:06for limited rights for women, you're voting
00:21:10for homophobia,
00:21:13but but like this is right, like when you say you're voting for Hamas.
00:21:17it's not an endorsement their domestic policies, but i don't think... anyone
00:21:20actually cares about their domestic b disease, i certainly don't every
00:21:24palestinian at the end the day, regardless their disagreements with
00:21:27hamas will always say that Israel is still the Israeli
00:21:31occupation is the greatest problem that they're facing, the most existential
00:21:35problem that they're facing. can you understand when when
00:21:37when just the regular
00:21:41American? of course, that's the reason when they see all this, well that's the purpose
00:21:45of that document, the purpose of that document is not to be like, this guy has spent the
00:21:49last. year is combatting far-right anti-semitism and far right
00:21:53radicalization and still continues to do so to this day, as someone who's an
00:21:57anti-fascist, i'm going to oppose zionism, which is fascist
00:22:00ideology. these guys can't defend that, so they have to attack
00:22:04its prominent critics. i will always always
00:22:08call out anti-semitism. it's gross, it's immoral, it is hate
00:22:12crime. there is no space for
00:22:15anti-semitism. hang around the progressive left
00:22:19for any amount. of time and you likely hear about
00:22:22apac. I'm speaking about Apac, apac funding. what makes apac
00:22:26unique is that the funded by billionaires? apac, the
00:22:30American Israel
00:22:31public affairs committee, is an American lobbing group that advocates for
00:22:35pro Israel policies in Washington DC. In the
00:22:39United States, our support for Israel is bipartisan, and that
00:22:43is how it should stay. For decades, politicians on both
00:22:47sides the isle have engaged with AP and
00:22:50spoken its annual conference in Washington, the largest
00:22:53apec gathering in history, and I feel like I am
00:22:57among family. In Michigan, the
00:23:01group has spent upwards of 30 million against Senate candidate
00:23:05Abdul El Saied who has been critical the Israeli government
00:23:09and actions Gaza,
00:23:09their in but in parts the Democratic
00:23:13Party, Apac is now deeply
00:23:16unpopular. Now is the time of monsters.
00:23:20These monsters take many forms in Apac, for whom the only thing
00:23:24more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course is an end to
00:23:27genocide Netanyahu's wars. Like other
00:23:31groups, they fund campaign supporting and opposing
00:23:34candidates. critics of politicians like Mam Dani say that the
00:23:38singling out of apac is anti-semitic. Something has
00:23:42happened when elected officials like our mayor in this
00:23:46city, gas lights Jews calling Apec and the people who...
00:23:50support it monsters Corey Bush lost her seat in
00:23:53Congress in 2024, she blames
00:23:57Apac. It was a coordinated effort because
00:24:00I was speaking about keeping our money here in this country and
00:24:04not bombing babies in another country. Another anti-Israel member of
00:24:08congress, Corey Bush, more than $7 million was spent to
00:24:12oppose Bush in 2024, a historically high
00:24:16amount for a congressional primary race. So-called squad.
00:24:20faced a fierce primary challenge from democratic opponent, Wesley
00:24:24Bell, that's after his campaign saw influx of cash from the Israel
00:24:27aligned
00:24:28toper pack a pack, the ads never said Israel, palestine,
00:24:32gaza, the ads said Cory is not a good
00:24:36democrat. Bush was good at getting headlines, but bad at actually
00:24:40accomplishing anything. More than 70% the spending against her
00:24:44was by a superpack affiliated with
00:24:46APAC. Now Bush is running to...
00:24:54the second most expensive congressional primary,
00:24:58that's what it took for Israel to subvert the
00:25:01democratic process, well an activist like piker puts the issue of
00:25:05Israel front and center in his campaigning, David Hogg's
00:25:08message is squarely focused on getting dark special
00:25:12interest money out of politics, there is no way of
00:25:16taking corporate money and just not being in bad with those special interests.
00:25:20right and rejecting the influence of ap he
00:25:23too brings up apac.
00:25:27let tell you story. when i first started working in DC, when i went from
00:25:31working on the outside of politics in the advocacy world to then working on the
00:25:35inside. one the first things that i was told when i got here was do not talk about
00:25:39apech, do not mention them, do
00:25:43not think about them, don't dare go against them. and the thing that was
00:25:47striking to me about that was how
00:26:02stand, this is the NRA, nobody's ever going to take them on, but we did, and
00:26:06we won, and we made that organization go from standing for the National Rifle
00:26:09association to standing for not relevant anymore, yeah, I think
00:26:13a lot of people watching this to hear
00:26:17you, a parkland
00:26:19survivor, talk about
00:26:23apac uh, in the same rat
00:26:26as NRA,
00:26:28will be
00:26:31surprising. "it shouldn't be, both
00:26:34are getting kids
00:26:36killed, and I don't
00:26:40draw line between whether it's kids in Parkland, kids
00:26:44any street in America, any community, or if it's kids in
00:26:47Palestine, it's not okay. when you first got here to
00:26:51DC and you were told whatever you do, don't talk about
00:26:55Apac, don't come after apac, big
00:26:59farmer puts a lot of money into this town,
00:27:02goil, whatever, why do you think it was
00:27:06apac? you were told to stay quiet about more so than anything else?
00:27:10there are few groups that had the winning streak that apack had, that's the reality, what
00:27:14people fear more than anything are people that they perceive to be strong
00:27:17winners that can be decisive in elections.
00:27:21apac did not make anyone available for an interview for this
00:27:24program, a statement, apac called hog's comments
00:27:27despicable and disgusting, ap said it
00:27:31is to support quote principal democrats who share our
00:27:35commitment to a partnership that is integral to America's national
00:27:39security. It also pointed out that many democrats it supports are
00:27:43winning their primaries. Boss, what
00:27:47does all of this mean for the mid-terms?
00:27:50Moderate democrats are the only
00:27:53ones. Who have delivered the House and the White
00:27:57House since Trump came on the scene in 2015. But
00:28:01in the Trump era. those centrest
00:28:03democrats have lost the white house twice and only
00:28:07one at once. true, that's true.
00:28:11today is the most popular Israel will be going
00:28:14forward. tomorrow Israel will be less popular than
00:28:17it is today. and yesterday Israel was more popular than it
00:28:21was today. it's
00:28:23done.
00:28:35"if we really are going to take a rising authoritarian right, that is
00:28:39going to be about having as many people as part of that movement as
00:28:42possible, even if that makes you uncomfortable. John
00:28:46Luves, John Fabro, and Tommy Vtor, all worked for
00:28:49President Barack Obama, and now host the hugely popular
00:28:53Pod Save America podcast. They say democrats need to
00:28:57talk everyone, including each other. John, you
00:29:01interviewed Hasan Pike." right, you heard about
00:29:03that, you got a lot of shit
00:29:06even for talking to him, clearly you don't buy into the
00:29:10idea that somebody like aassan piker should not be given a
00:29:14platform, how dare you platform someone with huge platform, right?
00:29:17yeah, whether you like this or not, um, hassan has lot of
00:29:21people who listen to him, i don't want to start going down the path
00:29:25uh, even as we headed to 2028 where i say, all right, if you if you're not with
00:29:29me on this issue, i don't want to listen to you, we had interviewed him,
00:29:32for um and it wasn't a big deal before. I think
00:29:36it's sort of what we started this to do, which
00:29:40was to have conversations with people who are involved in politics and let the
00:29:44audience decide um what to make of that. I think the Democratic Party's got to move away
00:29:48from this dumb debate about platforming. Let reasonable adults kind of sort
00:29:52out what they think about it. Mostly, I think it did enormous harm to the
00:29:55Democratic Party, to Democratic candidates that we refuse to go
00:29:59on other people's shows a purity test. roof is
00:30:03collapsing on the Democratic Party establishment tonight, with insurgent
00:30:07campaigns housing long-term incumbent Democrats, this
00:30:10primary face-off is what some are calling the democrat civil
00:30:14war. the growing divide over Israel is reshaping politics
00:30:18on the left, democratic socialists in New York were uh
00:30:22crazy, like outright really crazy.
00:30:25last June, it was not the end, it was
00:30:29the beginning. sides claim their
00:30:33candidates will be more electible in November. I want to talk about this
00:30:37idea of electibility. Let me be clear. The
00:30:41last people who have any right to lecture us about
00:30:44electibility are the establishment who lost the Donald
00:30:48Trump. Is the Democrat
00:30:51party having its its tea party movement to move to to the
00:30:55left? Even beyond Trump and before Trump, inequality in this country
00:30:59was.