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00:00:00"are becoming new hotspots, the other thing is,
00:00:03the media is discovering and citizens are reporting various
00:00:06landfills throughout Croatia, this also tells the story further, so
00:00:10let's go back to Istria Našice, these are perhaps the most blatant examples because there
00:00:14are 300 tons divided into two
00:00:16cement plants, mm in Istria it had a serious effect, at
00:00:21the fact that 3:30 on Tuesday there was a protest in Raša, it's a strange
00:00:24time, but it managed to gather between 500 and 700 people, that's no small feat,
00:00:28if it was a different time, surely the..." turnout would be higher, after
00:00:32"The fundamental documents on all, it's not a big place, it's not a big place, but ok, Labin is
00:00:35close, there are now a lot of people from Labin and
00:00:50actually we have, well, how do the citizens feel when you already
00:00:53know them? They are very dissatisfied, very dissatisfied because they have the feeling that
00:00:57actually, I mean, generally, around Holcim and cement plants, there are many more relationships. problems and projects that drag on
00:01:01in that local community. This was actually the drop that spilled the beans,
00:01:12that the tension continues in Istria, an extraordinary session of
00:01:16the Istria County Assembly was convened, meaning there are consequences for political relations
00:01:19within the county, so it will be very interesting to watch all these dynamics,
00:01:23we will see what will happen in Našice on Saturday, and what do the citizens say? They
00:01:26simply don't want that to happen there, they, they more.
00:01:30Actually, I think the common denominator is distrust.
00:01:33Even rational citizens whom I've seen in Vox Populi and read
00:01:37comments uh, simply no longer have
00:01:40trust in these institutions that tell them about that waste. On the
00:01:44other hand, there is no communication or openness from
00:01:47Holcim to calm this situation down,
00:01:51to present studies, to hold a town hall meeting like in America or Great
00:01:54Britain, where you actually answer citizens' concerns at a public
00:01:58forum. And they somehow retreated into
00:02:01a defensive position, leaving an empty space for
00:02:05defense, we saw those the reinterpretation of everything and anything, leading to an increase in worries and fears.
00:02:08No one is addressing this, and in my opinion, this is a crucial communication problem. What about
00:02:11the relations between HDZ and IDS? That is also interesting,
00:02:15because we all know that IDS was divided between two
00:02:19representatives, Dalibor Paus was removed from the position of
00:02:22president of the club of representatives due to his views precisely on
00:02:25Gospić, so we will see how that party, which was clearly divided between
00:02:29a faction that would cooperate more with HDZ and a faction that does not see cooperation with
00:02:32HDZ as something good for Istria, will behave. Regarding that civic
00:02:36participation, if I may call it that, to translate
00:02:39what you said about Anglo-Saxon culture.
00:02:43We are missing that, uh, it seems that it was missing
00:02:46there in Gospić itself when let's leave aside the opposition and
00:02:50the ruling party, citizens wanted to ask some questions, uh,
00:02:54it seems that this distrust between citizens and
00:02:58government stakeholders is growing, regardless of the party, regardless of the party
00:03:01affiliation. Did we fail
00:03:04to build in the meantime, when something
00:03:07happens, that those whom we pay at
00:03:09said boils down to the state or local level sit down and answer questions directly, not
00:03:13necessarily through the media, uh, I agree that
00:03:16we haven't, especially politicians haven't built enough of these bridges,
00:03:20modes of communication that are direct, besides being unpleasant,
00:03:23but they are unpleasant, but that's the point of democracy,
00:03:27to listen, to communicate and most importantly, to participate, but we all
00:03:31have to take responsibility for ourselves. If we don't participate in
00:03:34democracy, there will be nothing left of democracy, from the fight
00:03:37for one's own park, from the fight for one's
00:03:40municipality, all the way to the fight for some local national issues, as
00:03:44the Gospić, Our Home initiative did. That's how you participate
00:03:47in democracy, that's how you solve some things that are important to people
00:03:51in the local community. And that's why I really commend it, I hope that
00:03:55all others who get involved in political processes will be
00:03:58much more engaged, and see how things can truly move
00:04:02forward from a standstill. Do you agree with some of your colleagues who claim that there is a sense
00:04:06of nervousness within the ruling party, precisely because of
00:04:09this case that we are now discussing here, because not
00:04:13everyone is satisfied with the way it is being handled? Well, I think there's no dilemma
00:04:16here, because off-the-record briefings in various portals with various
00:04:20views on the political situation are
00:04:22the same, uh, we have a problem, we have to solve it, so the admissions are
00:04:26open. On the other hand, Branko Bačić now, and Marija Vučić,
00:04:30who started changing the tone of
00:04:33communication, started acknowledging citizens' concerns and
00:04:37the slow reaction in the entire process. So I think
00:04:41we can all learn something from this, especially
00:04:44the ruling coalition. They are addressing, in
00:04:48their communication, the people who did this, but they are not addressing
00:04:51whether the system is set up in a way that minimizes
00:04:55the possibility of something like this happening,
00:04:58Wilson does not mince words, at and that, it seems to me, is what has been swept under the rug
00:05:00all this time. The system definitely needs to be reformed, there's no doubt about that, from
00:05:04the State Inspectorate, which obviously needs to undergo some internal procedures that need
00:05:07to be changed, because this level of corruption at
00:05:10the highest level should not be possible in a systematic
00:05:14waste management solution, and
00:05:17I think there is shared responsibility here, and counties
00:05:21and cities have their role in this. Not everything can depend on
00:05:24communal wardens who will see something and not see something on the ground, but it seems
00:05:27that on the ground, the situation is everyone is responsible, but
00:05:31no one is. When the system is set up like that, then it's a
00:05:34big problem, but that's actually what we are looking for,
00:05:37decentralization. On the other hand, then we have the problem
00:05:40of implementation, but it should be known who is responsible for what. Yes, but that
00:05:44decentralization is, it's not, everything can't come from the state, no one can, but
00:05:47decentralization requires
00:06:05permits were issued by local self-government units,
00:06:08the biggest mistake was definitely made by state institutions in the
00:06:12control process. Yes, from entering across
00:06:14the border to arriving, and what is ultimately done with it, where
00:06:18it ends up. Now we will see how this situation will be resolved. Now it is important, I think,
00:06:22first, to stop it. I mean, I am not an expert in
00:06:25that topic, but I follow it, so I can express my opinion. It is important to
00:06:28cover that waste so that it doesn't further seep into the soil, so that it doesn't further
00:06:32pollute. But I, for example, like, after all, I heard
00:06:36in your meter, the ideas to use the runway at Željava
00:06:40or that, actually,
00:06:43former, uh, it's not a factory, but it
00:06:46was actually an airport
00:06:49that was in the mountains and could be used for disposal or at least sorting
00:06:53of that waste in the first phase of remediation. I think these are some
00:06:57objective things that should be used, because there are no people there, and the concrete could
00:07:00block further dispersal of that waste.
00:07:04the opposition, in your opinion,
00:07:08how did it go through this? Most seems to have done
00:07:12well. "Considering that they really have that representative who
00:07:15pushed that story and comes here to me, we talked many times about
00:07:19Gospić, when it was definitely not a state story,
00:07:22uh, what about the others, what about SDP
00:07:25can we? Well, if we look at the first snapshot of the ratings, most
00:07:29and we can gained the most. SDP was even
00:07:33on a downward trend, now we will see, I think it will be a much better measurement, interesting, yes,
00:07:37a much better measurement will be, in my opinion, in the next
00:07:40month when everything calms down a bit, when..." people take a firmer stance,
00:07:44then we'll see what the situation is and what the trends are,
00:07:48but I think the opposition did part of the story
00:07:51very well and part not
00:07:54Troskot should be congratulated for his discipline, for getting
00:07:58information from citizens, helping them to promote this topic, but on the other
00:08:01hand, the expression "ecoterrorism," calling the Prime Minister
00:08:04an ecoterrorist, is simply not factually correct and does not
00:08:07contribute to any situation except increasing, increasing
00:08:11one's own visibility. This political communication, with which we
00:08:15started, thus gives the government
00:08:18the right to say that it is cheap populism and politicking, because in that part,
00:08:21everything good you've done is actually thrown
00:08:25aside, and that, in my opinion, is the lack of measure in the opposition
00:08:28often, but they go all the way so that some personal
00:08:32animosities are actually resolved by members of parliament or
00:08:35through microphones, then it actually becomes clear how toxic that is for
00:08:39the entire environment, how many
00:08:57you this: Ursula von der Leyen's speech, many
00:09:01beautiful words, few concrete plans, dates and solutions.
00:09:05Does the European Union have answers to the crises we are
00:09:07facing?
00:09:10The announcement of Canadian-European rapprochement provoked a fierce response from the White House,
00:09:14Trump threatens the European Union with high
00:09:16tariffs.
00:09:19Zoran Milanović at a diplomatic harvest, will he speak
00:09:22about events in the country?
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00:12:41Towards the end of her speech, Ursula von der Leyen referred to
00:12:44Serbia, more precisely to the state honors at the funeral of Ratko Mladić in
00:12:48Belgrade. It seems that the half-hearted condemnation did not satisfy
00:12:51anyone except perhaps Aleksandar Vučić whom she did not even
00:12:55mention.
00:12:58Ursula von der Leyen, only after pressure from Zagreb and Sarajevo,
00:13:02finally spoke out with a message on social media, how
00:13:05horrified she was by the glorification of Ratko Mladić with state honors in
00:13:08Belgrade. In her State of the Union speech, she finally
00:13:12says it
00:13:12out loud.
00:13:20Unfortunately, essentially it doesn't go even a step further. The only difference is
00:13:24stormy.
00:13:36These words suffer from the same lack, warns the Croatian
00:13:40MEP. It is about, I would say, an ambivalent
00:13:44statement that there is no place in the European Union for glorifying war
00:13:47criminals like Mladić, so it was not said that there is no place for Serbia or those
00:13:51who glorify and support it, but that there is no place for glorification itself. This can now be interpreted
00:13:55in different ways. As Elmedin Konaković, the Minister of Foreign
00:13:58Affairs of BiH, already publicly criticized before,
00:14:01von der Leyen again decided not to mention the name behind
00:14:05everything, Aleksandar Vučić. No
00:14:08hint of sanctions against Serbia, and the European Parliament's rapporteur
00:14:12for Serbia proposed an end to accession
00:14:15negotiations. A much more serious question is what the European Union
00:14:18simply intends to do after convincing itself that it is a
00:14:22regime that glorifies war
00:14:25crimes. Should negotiations continue with
00:14:28such a government? Will any
00:14:31measures be introduced that will simply send a sufficiently strong,
00:14:35not only political, but also
00:14:37financial message to the authorities in Belgrade? We did not actually hear
00:14:41that today from Ursula von der Leyen. It's a wasted effort if Vučić can
00:14:45at such a moment pop over to Paris and hug
00:14:48Macron, points out another former foreign minister. The
00:14:52idea is to attract Serbia regardless of
00:14:55the government. Of course, many, and perhaps even Mrs.
00:14:59von der Leyen, would intimately prefer a student list, but the goal is to
00:15:02win over Serbia regardless of Vučić, preferably without him,
00:15:06isn't it? But with him, but look again,
00:15:09the question is what the government in Serbia wants, does the government in
00:15:13Serbia want it that way or does it want to continue
00:15:16dancing at multiple weddings? Influential American
00:15:19Republican Congressman Joe
00:15:23a congressional hearing he warns: "Vučić is preparing another electoral
00:15:27rigging, he says the largest Serbian oil and gas company
00:15:30is owned by Russia. Vučić has also bought and integrated
00:15:34Chinese military surveillance technology."
00:15:37sent a delegation to the funeral of dictator uh Komeni and
00:15:41Tehran alongside the delegations of Russia
00:15:44and China. These are actions that do not show
00:15:47a uh effort to uh to be
00:15:51part of western civilization, at the same time another
00:15:54award comes to Vučić for sitting on two chairs.
00:15:57Aleksandar Čeferin announces: "UEFA has officially made
00:16:01a decision, Belgrade will be the host of the UEFA
00:16:04European League final in 2029. On
00:16:07the not yet completed national stadium in Surčin. Ivan
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00:16:15Božo Kovačević is waiting for us this time in London for a comment
00:16:30Ursula von der Leyen's speech. Many have already
00:16:33commented on it, yesterday Mirjana sat with me in the studio for a long time.
00:16:38and many of them are on the same track, it's a list of beautiful
00:16:41wishes, a lot of things from which nothing concrete can be
00:16:45read, concrete plans, concrete
00:16:48dates, uh, the way in which the
00:16:52European Union will actually deal with a whole range of challenges, someone
00:16:55commented, if those who vote for, I don't know,
00:16:59AFD or Le Pen listen to this, they immediately raised their percentage,
00:17:02because uh these speeches are those in which
00:17:06many citizens of the European Union have
00:17:08long been disappointed.
00:17:12That is true, but it shows the true
00:17:15state of relations between individual institutions
00:17:19of the European Union, although the President of the
00:17:22European Commission, the main executive body of the European
00:17:25Union, Ursula von der Leyen, is not in
00:17:28the position of a classic prime minister in relation to
00:17:31Parliament, because actually the scope
00:17:35of what she can promise
00:17:38uh greatly depends on what
00:17:42the members of the European Council think, i.e.
00:17:45the representatives of the states. And
00:17:48uh, she has warned several times that due to
00:17:51the lack of unity in the European Union, some
00:17:55policies cannot be implemented. She was most explicit
00:17:59in that regard when she mentioned Israel,
00:18:02because she
00:18:06mentioned that she... had proposed something, but
00:18:09that Europe failed to take a common position
00:18:12on Israel, and therefore she
00:18:16stuck to describing what
00:18:20is known to everyone and about which
00:18:23there will be no disagreements. Then she
00:18:26resorted to some, let's say, populist
00:18:30moves, inviting those entrepreneurs, that
00:18:33wounded little girl from Ukraine, as if...
00:18:37their presence
00:18:40would increase the efficiency of the policies
00:18:42of the European Union.
00:18:45She announced various
00:18:48initiatives about which agreement has probably already
00:18:51been reached within the European
00:18:55Council, which is the increase of demographic
00:18:58democratic resilience,
00:19:01then these initiatives for
00:19:04strengthening cybersecurity, which is all already
00:19:07actually part of normal practice.
00:19:10Yes, what about this part where she
00:19:14talks about Canada? A speech by
00:19:17the Canadian Prime Minister is expected today, so we are very
00:19:21interested in what he will say, but that idea of associated
00:19:24membership has already caused a whole series of reactions. Donald Trump also spoke out,
00:19:28saying that if it is something directed against the USA, I
00:19:31will impose large and high tariffs on the European Union.
00:19:35tariffs. Yes, that's an expected
00:19:39reaction from President Trump, given that he wants to annex
00:19:42the entire Canada. Here it
00:19:46was actually shown that
00:19:49what Ursula von der Leyen said in the initial part
00:19:53of her speech about
00:19:55the strategic autonomy of the European Union,
00:19:59that is finally coming to the fore. At one point she
00:20:03did not mention the United States as some
00:20:06rival or... God forbid, enemy,
00:20:09but she uh uh said that the European Union
00:20:13opposes uh threats to democracy,
00:20:17whether those threats come from
00:20:19the West or from the East, and that is
00:20:22actually a surprisingly clear
00:20:26message to President Trump. As for Canada's
00:20:30associated membership, uh it is clear
00:20:33that uh it is not possible under current...
00:20:38uh documents, under the Lisbon Treaties,
00:20:40to take a country into such
00:20:44a status, because these documents do not
00:20:47provide for it, but this is connected with... yet another
00:20:51paradox. Nominally, uh
00:20:54Canada's sovereign is uh
00:20:58the English king. We know that the United Kingdom
00:21:01left the European Union. Now a country
00:21:05that is under the sovereignty of the European king should somehow
00:21:08join the European Union. This is
00:21:12certainly uh both a Canadian and a European message
00:21:16to America that Europe will
00:21:19help Canada in an attempt, in case the
00:21:22United States tries to carry out a violent
00:21:26annexation of Canada, that is the only way it can be understood. How do
00:21:30you view this Security Council in which members of the European
00:21:34Union, Canada, Ukraine,
00:21:37uh, stood together? There was talk of a kind of
00:21:40counterpart to
00:21:42Article Four of NATO, that is perhaps the most accurate way
00:21:46to describe it. How does it
00:21:50look to you? Well, that reference to
00:21:54Article 4 of the NATO Alliance Charter, uh, should be
00:21:58viewed in the context of uh those
00:22:01security threats. That
00:22:04Article 4, uh, gives every
00:22:07NATO member state, and in the future this should apply
00:22:11to all members uh of the European Union, the right
00:22:14to request urgent consultations in
00:22:17case they are exposed to - direct
00:22:20danger. Actually, there is no reason
00:22:24for the European Union not
00:22:28to decide to apply Article 5, because the
00:22:31European Union uh also gives
00:22:34verbal guarantees uh to every member state that
00:22:38is attacked, the entire European
00:22:41Union will protect it, but these are so far
00:22:44all uh just words
00:22:48without real basis "in reality,
00:22:51because the European Union, and this is evident from
00:22:55a good part of Ursula von der Leyen's speech, is not
00:22:58yet sufficiently capable of
00:23:01independently
00:23:03reacting to these threats, but this is
00:23:06an announcement of what has been discussed for
00:23:10the past ten years since President
00:23:13Trump's first term, so
00:23:17work continues on establishing strategic
00:23:21autonomy. Biden's term was actually, as
00:23:25far as this aspect of the European Union's
00:23:28actions is concerned, a failure, because Europeans
00:23:32believed that Trump would not return to power and that relations between
00:23:35Europe and the United States would be
00:23:39more or less as they were before. However, that did not
00:23:43happen. Now it is uh a necessity that
00:23:46the European Union, if it wants to be an autonomous player in the
00:23:50system of international relations, must be able
00:23:54to defend itself. All of what Ursula von der Leyen
00:23:59the fact that the European Union might
00:24:02do everything necessary if all
00:24:06member states agree on it. She even said at
00:24:09one point that the European Union's decision-making process, I'm paraphrasing now,
00:24:13was not designed for the times we live in, as you and many others
00:24:17have said. "It's simply
00:24:20clear as day, however what was missing was, okay,
00:24:24so what now? Because when she spoke, do you remember
00:24:28that part about Israel and about Palestine,
00:24:31there remains this part where, yes, we said so, but all member
00:24:35states did not go in that direction.
00:24:38So, how to try to
00:24:42make certain decisions and thereby
00:24:44be a player on this world
00:24:47stage? Well, she said
00:24:51that administration needs to be reduced, that
00:24:53the decision-making process needs to be accelerated,
00:24:57all of this can be implemented
00:25:01if all
00:25:04member states agree, and
00:25:07uh, it seems to me that there is uh another
00:25:10dimension here, that is the coalition of the willing.
00:25:13The coalition of the willing manages to make decisions because
00:25:17there are no clearly defined procedures for
00:25:20decision-making and the rights of each of
00:25:24the members of that coalition. The coalition of the willing is,
00:25:27at least when it comes to relations with Russia,
00:25:31a step ahead of the European
00:25:33Union. Uh, and it seems to me
00:25:36that the coalition of the willing is trying to create
00:25:40circumstances in which the European Union will
00:25:43be forced to make the decisions that
00:25:47the coalition of the willing wants.
00:25:50Ursula von der Leyen did not explicitly say this, but in
00:25:54the context of relations with Russia, she mentioned countries that
00:25:58are not members of the European unions, with which the European
00:26:01Union is very successful. cooperates. This is again
00:26:04a paradox, within the European Union it is
00:26:07not possible to quickly make decisions, but the European
00:26:10Union, together with countries that are not members of the European
00:26:14Union, manages to make quick
00:26:16decisions, so we are faced with a series of paradoxes
00:26:20that all boil down to
00:26:23if the European Union wants
00:26:27to become an autonomous player in the system of international relations.
00:26:30sustavu međunarodnih odnosa.
00:26:35which the European Union was established, these are the Lisbon
00:26:38Treaties, had to be changed,
00:26:42uh, they would have to be changed so that
00:26:45this associated membership could be achieved, so if
00:26:49that change for associated membership starts, maybe
00:26:52it would be good to undertake
00:26:56other changes that will enable the central
00:26:59bodies of the European Union to, in the name of..." The European
00:27:02Union makes and implements decisions. We
00:27:06saw what happened recently when
00:27:10the President of the European Council tried
00:27:13to create conditions for the establishment
00:27:16of diplomatic contacts between Russia and the European
00:27:20Union. He was immediately attacked by the leaders of France, Germany and
00:27:24Poland. He must not do that. When
00:27:28Kaja Kallas announced the establishment
00:27:31of an advisory body that
00:27:34would advise the European Union on
00:27:37defense and security issues, she had
00:27:41to give up due to pressure from certain
00:27:44member states, and in fact, it is noticeable that in
00:27:48yesterday's entire speech, uh, Ursula
00:27:51von der Leyen, there was not a single paragraph for which
00:27:54we could say with certainty that
00:27:57the inclusion of that paragraph was proposed by Kaja Kallas, while
00:28:00for what concerns the Mediterranean, what
00:28:04concerns
00:28:07commissioners, members of the European Commission who
00:28:11were giving those inputs,
00:28:13and all that
00:28:16together indicates
00:28:20that, uh, the position
00:28:23of the President of the Commission is not easy and
00:28:25that Ursula von der Leyen
00:28:28spoke about what she believed the representatives
00:28:31of the member states wanted to hear,
00:28:35that the members of the European
00:28:38Parliament wanted to hear, and she made
00:28:41promises for which she hopes to get
00:28:44an offer, yes, now two more things I would like to comment
00:28:48with you, one is Hungary and
00:28:51the emphasis on that April 12th as the day when Hungarians
00:28:55actually returned to democracy, that is, a clear
00:28:58recognition that there was no democracy for a very long time.
00:29:03Then there is the funeral of Ratko Mladić, maybe you can
00:29:06link that, maybe not, I am interested in your
00:29:09interpretation. Well, she
00:29:13attributed to the European Union the credit
00:29:17for the change in Hungary, which
00:29:20is partially true, because there was a
00:29:24suspension of payments to Hungary from
00:29:27funds from the European budget
00:29:30and in the end, it did
00:29:34work. As for her reaction
00:29:38to the funeral of Ratko
00:29:41Mladić, it
00:29:44had already been announced before, because Marta Kos had already
00:29:48commented on it, the President of the European Council and Ursula von der Leyen
00:29:52had also commented, obviously there
00:29:55is an agreement regarding
00:29:58that. You are allowed to be horrified by what Vučić's regime
00:30:03did, what kind of staging of Mladić's
00:30:06funeral it did, but what
00:30:09could be expected from the President of the European
00:30:13Commission was missing, what the Commission will do
00:30:16in that regard. Based
00:30:20on what she said in the European Union,
00:30:24there is no place for those who glorify war
00:30:28criminals, this can
00:30:30be understood in two ways: that there is no
00:30:33place for Vučić and his government that organized
00:30:37that funeral, or
00:30:40that there is no place for Serbia if its citizens
00:30:44support Vučić in the next parliamentary
00:30:48elections. In that rather strained
00:30:51interpretation, we could understand her
00:30:54words as an expression of support
00:30:58for this student list.