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00:02:04Good afternoon, I'm Dušan Mlađenović. You're watching the special N1
00:02:07direct broadcast regarding the visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr
00:02:11Zelensky. This is his first visit to Serbia. At this
00:02:14moment, meetings of delegations are underway. Previously,
00:02:18a ceremonial reception was organized in front of the Palace of Serbia.
00:02:21Last night, Volodymyr Zelensky stated on his X account that the main topics would be economic
00:02:25relations, relations with the European Union, and all other
00:02:28issues that could improve relations between the two countries, including
00:02:32security. Although the delivery of weapons is never
00:02:35officially discussed, there are indications that military cooperation
00:02:39will be discussed. Zelensky and Vučić had a bilateral meeting last night.
00:02:42In the next two hours, we will analyze this
00:02:46visit, the military and political relations between the two countries,
00:02:49and potential reactions from Brussels and Moscow. We will also
00:02:53follow the addresses of the two presidents from the Palace of Serbia.
00:02:56That's where we're going at the beginning of the show, where...
00:03:00colleague Aleksandra
00:03:01Godfroa.
00:03:04Aleksandra, how did the ceremonial reception go, and what
00:03:08is expected from the meeting of delegations, the meeting of the two
00:03:12presidents? We know what some of the announced
00:03:16topics are, but what could be the topics that haven't been
00:03:19announced?
00:03:23Dušan, so the meeting took place
00:03:26with understandably heightened security measures, including
00:03:30the presence of helicopters, as we saw in the footage.
00:03:33The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, arrived and was
00:03:37received by the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vučić.
00:03:40The Ukrainian anthem was played, followed by the Serbian anthem.
00:03:43Then, an inspection of the honor guard was carried out. There was
00:03:47no honorary salute this time. As for flags
00:03:51around the city, yes, there were Ukrainian flags, but
00:03:55far more modest, perhaps more discreet than was the
00:03:58case during visits by delegations from
00:04:01some other countries. The composition of the delegation suggests
00:04:05that the main topic of discussion will actually be
00:04:08economic cooperation, specifically joint cooperation in
00:04:12European integration, which is the proclaimed goal of both
00:04:15countries, both Serbia and Ukraine. It will also be discussed
00:04:19about food security, and the only
00:04:22memorandum announced to be signed concerns precisely
00:04:25food security. Such a visit,
00:04:29for the first time since he became president, for the first time since
00:04:32the large-scale war began in Ukraine, for the Ukrainian
00:04:36president to come to Serbia, of course, signing such a
00:04:39memorandum is not
00:04:42too big of a task or reason for the
00:04:46Ukrainian president, a wartime president, to come to
00:04:49our country, but there must still be something that will be
00:04:53signed. I mentioned the composition of the delegations, so there is the
00:04:56Minister of Energy, the Minister of Trade. No, there is the Minister of
00:04:59Agriculture from our side. From the Ukrainian side, there are no ministers, but
00:05:03there are members of the cabinet of Ukrainian President Volodymyr
00:05:06Zelensky. There is experienced diplomat Serhiy
00:05:10Kyslytsia, who knows these regions very well.
00:05:13Then there is Oleksiy Sobolev, who was Minister of
00:05:17Economy and is now in the President's cabinet, recently, after these
00:05:20latest changes in
00:05:22the Ukrainian, Ukrainian government, and there is Ihor
00:05:26Zhovkva, also a cabinet member who is in charge
00:05:29of European integration.
00:05:32So, yes, there is interest from the Ukrainian
00:05:36side for greater economic cooperation, which
00:05:39is currently somewhere on our side, on Serbia's
00:05:42side, I think it's about 345
00:05:46million dollars in the first half of 2006.
00:05:49We know that Ukrainians want to sign a free trade
00:05:53agreement with Serbia, which has not existed all these
00:05:57years since Ukraine became an independent state
00:06:00in '91. And of course, that is the question of all
00:06:03questions, a question that has never been officially confirmed,
00:06:07that is the question of armaments. We know
00:06:10from indirect sources, from reporting by, for example, the Financial Times
00:06:13in 2024, that by then, armaments worth
00:06:17between 800 million and
00:06:21one billion dollars had ended up on the Ukrainian
00:06:23battlefield from Serbia. So, this is about multi-barrel launchers,
00:06:27it's actually about Soviet-caliber
00:06:30weapons that Ukraine used a lot of
00:06:33at the very beginning of the war. Now, some Ukrainian
00:06:37analysts, military analysts, say that there is not such a great
00:06:40need for that type of armament, given that the
00:06:44method of warfare has changed, shifting to drone warfare,
00:06:47and Ukraine at this moment is the absolute leader in
00:06:51Europe in the production
00:06:53of various types of drones and innovations
00:06:57in that sphere, and that is what was mentioned in
00:07:01a comprehensive article by journalist Michael
00:07:04Martens from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, who again referred to
00:07:07Christopher Hill, otherwise a former ambassador here in Serbia, who was the first
00:07:11to officially confirm that Serbia has indeed, through third parties,
00:07:14of course, massively exported armaments to
00:07:17Ukraine. So, that article suggests that there could be
00:07:21talk about
00:07:24joint drone production or some kind of agreement
00:07:27in that sense, where, for example, Serbia could gain
00:07:31know-how, and we know from some previous visits of Zelensky to other countries in
00:07:35Europe, but also in the Middle East, that Ukraine can actually
00:07:38sell its technology and
00:07:41is interested... ultimately, above all in Europe, to
00:07:45form a common defense. How Serbia
00:07:48fits into this is a big question. The official composition
00:07:52of the delegation does not indicate that this
00:07:55would be the primary topic, because, for example, there is no
00:07:59Pavlo Pavlyshyn here, who is a brigadier general who participated
00:08:02in the battle for Bakhmut. His presence, for
00:08:05example, would indicate that the primary topic is common
00:08:09defense. But that doesn't mean that topic isn't being discussed. That doesn't mean that
00:08:13that topic, for example, wasn't discussed yesterday during the gala dinner
00:08:17at Villa Mir, which the Serbian president hosted
00:08:21in honor of the Ukrainian president.
00:08:24As you mentioned, the composition of the delegations indicates
00:08:28that the announced topics will be discussed.
00:08:31Uh, I assume then that the two presidents
00:08:35discussed that. How common is it, in fact, to
00:08:39discuss these, shall we say, most important
00:08:42and most sensitive issues at the highest level, in this case,
00:08:46uh, for the two presidents to discuss them,
00:08:50especially knowing that
00:08:53Volodymyr Zelensky often has meetings with European
00:08:57leaders with whom he precisely discusses these most sensitive
00:09:00matters?
00:09:04It is usual, we live in unusual times, so yes, it is usual,
00:09:08of course, in such situations there must be contacts
00:09:11before, after, and during between
00:09:15experts, between delegations, but yes,
00:09:18so what we have seen for at least the last
00:09:21year is that there is an accelerated
00:09:24need in Europe as a continent, meaning European
00:09:27countries, to form a defense, to arm themselves, to
00:09:31raise the level of arms production, a lot of that has already
00:09:34been used up on the battlefield in Ukraine, and also the change in
00:09:38Washington, that is, the election
00:09:41of Donald Trump as President of the United States has largely
00:09:44left Europe to fend for itself,
00:09:48and Ukraine must also, to some extent, fend for itself
00:09:52together with Europe. So yes, it would be customary
00:09:55for two presidents to discuss and agree on
00:09:59such a level of cooperation, extremely sensitive
00:10:02cooperation. It would also be customary, given the
00:10:05position that Serbia holds, that
00:10:09this should not actually be publicly discussed. So,
00:10:13from the very beginning, Serbia condemned the Russian aggression against
00:10:16Ukraine, it says so openly, publicly, President Aleksandar
00:10:20Vučić says it every time that it respects the territorial
00:10:23integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. So that
00:10:27means it does not recognize Crimea, it does not recognize the four regions that
00:10:30Russia additionally annexed in
00:10:332022, but at the same time, it does not want to impose sanctions.
00:10:36So there is a proclaimed military neutrality in such a situation.
00:10:40Unless politics changes
00:10:43on topics of military cooperation in terms of drone production, for
00:10:47example, or direct arms sales,
00:10:50it is therefore not officially expected that
00:10:54any of the participants in such talks would publicly
00:10:57state it. After all, when that was happening at the very beginning of the war,
00:11:01and when images and photographs of missiles produced in
00:11:05Krušik with dates, i.e., serial numbers,
00:11:08indicating that they were newly produced, meaning not some old stock,
00:11:11were arriving, it was denied, until at one point
00:11:15President Aleksandar Vučić said
00:11:19that we don't know where it ends up, we regularly
00:11:22sold it, for example, to the Czech Republic and the United
00:11:26States, which do not use that caliber in their army at all, and where
00:11:30it eventually ended up, that is actually not
00:11:33our concern. Aleksandra, thank you very much.
00:11:37Aleksandra continues to follow Volodymyr Zelensky's
00:11:40visit, and we'll see her a bit later. Now
00:11:43we're going to our Anđela Čolanić,
00:11:47who is in front of the Palace of Serbia. Anđela, unlike some
00:11:50other visits when the flags of countries, as Aleksandar
00:11:54said, from where the guests came, were displayed all the
00:11:58way from the airport to the city center, this time that is not the case, but for
00:12:02example, a flag was displayed on
00:12:05the Kula Beograd, the flag of Ukraine. So, what does the city
00:12:08look like, and what do people in Belgrade say about Zelensky's
00:12:11visit?
00:12:15Uh, that's right, now it's uh calm in front of the Palace of Serbia
00:12:19where we are currently located. A little over half
00:12:22an hour ago, the Ukrainian president was
00:12:25welcomed in front of the Palace
00:12:28of Serbia with the anthem of Ukraine, and then
00:12:32the anthem Bože Pravde, or
00:12:34the anthem of Serbia. After the
00:12:38Ukrainian and Serbian presidents entered the Palace of Serbia where they will
00:12:42continue the rest of the program and
00:12:44discussions, the choir, or rather the orchestra
00:12:48of the Serbian Army, the guard, and the rest of
00:12:51the members of the Serbian Army withdrew from the palace plateau.
00:12:55Police officers remained to patrol in
00:12:59the surrounding streets near the Palace of Serbia where
00:13:02security measures are still heightened, where they are still heightened.
00:13:06At the very moment when the Ukrainian president was arriving, it was not
00:13:10possible to walk even on the sidewalk
00:13:12near the Palace of Serbia.
00:13:15In the surrounding streets, police officers directed citizens
00:13:19to other streets. Traffic was also suspended for
00:13:23about half an hour.
00:13:25And it is now flowing undisturbed in all directions and in the surrounding
00:13:29streets around the Palace of Serbia.
00:13:32Given the complex relations between Ukraine,
00:13:36Serbia, and Russia, we spoke with citizens yesterday,
00:13:39and we asked them what they expect from the arrival of
00:13:43the Ukrainian president, how they view him, and
00:13:46I suggest we listen to what they told us. How do you
00:13:50view this visit? Well, negatively.
00:13:52Why? Well, because of everything that's
00:13:55happening. In what context is the visit negative for you?
00:13:58Because I think we have better friends. Who are our better
00:14:02friends? Well, you know who. He is a
00:14:05persona non grata for Belgrade. Well, he came, he came, I don't see
00:14:09any problem. And why this visit at this
00:14:12moment? He goes everywhere, from what I watch on
00:14:16TV, he goes everywhere he can, to get any
00:14:20help. And should Serbia now send humanitarian
00:14:23aid to Ukraine? What? Well, I'll tell you, all countries that are
00:14:27attacked, this, that are defending themselves from an aggressor,
00:14:30should be on their side in principle, this, what form of
00:14:34aid that is, each country should determine. What will this bring to our
00:14:37politics? Well, it depends, it depends on how much weaponry
00:14:40we sell.
00:14:44So, the citizens we spoke with generally
00:14:47believe that Serbia should remain neutral
00:14:50in the Ukraine-Russia relationship.
00:14:54And... and 100 public figures, including
00:14:57professors and cultural workers, yesterday
00:15:00signed a letter of protest, or rather a statement
00:15:03of protest, opposing the arrival
00:15:07of the Ukrainian president for the first time
00:15:11since the beginning of the war in Russia and
00:15:14Ukraine to visit Serbia. Uh,
00:15:17on the other hand, Ukrainians and Russians united
00:15:21against the war for Radio Free
00:15:25Europe yesterday commented
00:15:27that they hope this visit will actually lead to an
00:15:31improvement in relations between Ukraine and Serbia, which
00:15:35Aleksandra also mentioned. It is that
00:15:38today, the Ukrainian and Serbian presidents will
00:15:40discuss three topics, three key
00:15:44topics. On the topic of security, among other things,
00:15:46President Vučić mentioned that energy will be discussed.
00:15:50They will discuss Euro-integration, given
00:15:53that both states have similar
00:15:56problems on the path to joining
00:15:59the European Union. What is also important to
00:16:03mention is that this is the first visit of the Ukrainian
00:16:06president. In many ways, as you mentioned at the beginning, we can
00:16:10conclude that he is visiting Serbia. Our
00:16:14team this morning passed through the city. We
00:16:17noticed only here,
00:16:20immediately near the Palace of Serbia, and in the streets
00:16:24of Anti-Fascist Struggle and Spanish Fighters, that Ukrainian
00:16:27flags were displayed, while they
00:16:30can hardly be seen anywhere else in the city.
00:16:33Last night, the Ukrainian flag was displayed on the Tower.
00:16:37You mentioned that, and there are also Russian symbols around the city. We
00:16:41managed to notice that yesterday. With that, there is still
00:16:44Gazprom's billboard that says "Together," and it
00:16:48refers to Serbia and
00:16:50Russia. The negotiations, or rather the discussions,
00:16:54between the Ukrainian and Serbian presidents will last until around
00:16:5712 o'clock. At 12:05,
00:17:00they are expected to address the
00:17:03media together. In front of the palace, it is currently calm. What is important for all citizens
00:17:07who are heading to Novi Belgrade is that traffic is currently
00:17:10flowing smoothly.
00:17:13Thank you, Anđela. Anđela Čolanić is monitoring the situation
00:17:16in front of the Palace of Serbia. Yes, as Anđela said, the first
00:17:20image that Volodymyr Zelensky saw upon entering
00:17:24Belgrade was that Gazprom billboard on which
00:17:27the Russian and Serbian flags are combined,
00:17:31on which it says "Together." So, a meeting
00:17:34of delegations is underway in the Palace
00:17:37of Serbia. It is expected that at 12:00, the two
00:17:41presidents will address the media. We will follow all of that, and
00:17:45now we return after a short break.
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00:24:49You are watching N1 direct, which is dedicated to the visit
00:24:52of Volodymyr Zelensky to Serbia. We continue
00:24:56the analysis of this visit. I am now talking to Oleksandr
00:25:00Levchenko, who is the former consul of Ukraine in Belgrade, as well as
00:25:04the former ambassador of Ukraine in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.
00:25:07Mr. Levchenko, thank you for speaking to N1.
00:25:10Thank you for the invitation. Respect
00:25:14to you and the viewers. How do you view this visit,
00:25:18the topics that have been announced? We assume, and we have
00:25:21talked about this in previous minutes, that there will be
00:25:24some unannounced topics, primarily military cooperation.
00:25:28How do you assess this
00:25:31visit? Very well. After
00:25:35nine years, our president has not been to Serbia. It is time
00:25:38for Zelensky to come to
00:25:42Belgrade. President Vučić was already
00:25:46twice in Ukraine last year in Odesa.
00:26:02of Eastern Europe, so now
00:26:05this is a very important visit
00:26:08to the Republic of Serbia, and I believe that all
00:26:12topics that the presidents will discuss
00:26:14are of mutual interest for the two
00:26:18nations that have their
00:26:21long history of connecting
00:26:25cultural ties, economic cooperation,
00:26:28and human contacts.
00:26:34those meetings, especially this year in Ukraine.
00:26:38However, Aleksandar Vučić is the only European leader
00:26:42who has not
00:26:45those declarations, especially the one in Kyiv, meaning he has not
00:26:49joined the condemnations of
00:26:52Russia. However, Zelensky comes
00:26:55to such a leader. What kind of
00:26:58message does Zelensky send
00:27:02then? And why does he then come to
00:27:04Belgrade if it is known what kind
00:27:08of relationship Belgrade has with Moscow?
00:27:11Well, Belgrade has its relations with Moscow,
00:27:14and Belgrade has its relations with Ukraine. That should not
00:27:18be mixed. It is important that these relations are in
00:27:22the interest of our two countries. We have
00:27:26things to discuss regarding our European path,
00:27:29meaning Ukraine and Serbia are moving
00:27:33towards joining the European Union. That is important, and
00:27:36we have somewhat similar
00:27:38views on negotiations with our European
00:27:41partners and how difficult it is to open chapters,
00:27:45and even more difficult to close negotiating chapters.
00:27:49we always have communication,
00:27:53cooperation, we are slowly moving
00:27:56towards signing a free trade zone agreement, that's already more.
00:28:00It's been years of negotiations,
00:28:04but that would be a big step
00:28:08in our economic ties and
00:28:12finally it's clear that the world is entering
00:28:16difficult times, unfortunately
00:28:19work has become a fact
00:28:22for European life and look at these topics
00:28:25that will be not only visible
00:28:29but also important for discussion because of the politics
00:28:32conducted by official Moscow, it is unfortunately
00:28:36aggressive, made not only against
00:28:38Ukraine, but also Ukraine and Europe feel
00:28:42the danger of future Russian
00:28:45aggression and in any case some things
00:28:48need to be agreed upon, discussed
00:28:51and resolved at the level of heads of state, that would be
00:28:54good, a study
00:28:57uh uh of the topics we heard that will be uh uh
00:29:00officially here and what is unofficially mentioned
00:29:04is that military cooperation, German media
00:29:07say that Ukraine would perhaps even
00:29:11like to open a drone factory with Serbia,
00:29:14we also heard these allegations from Frankfurter
00:29:18Allgemeine Zeitung uh that Kristoffer Hill, former
00:29:21Ambassador of the United States to Serbia was
00:29:24a mediator in relations between Kyiv uh and
00:29:27Belgrade, how do you see that
00:29:30possibility, namely military. For now there is of course no
00:29:34confirmation of direct trade, but Belgrade
00:29:38admitted that it is possible for weapons to end up in Ukraine via third countries,
00:29:41well, we'll see, we'll see
00:29:45what we can do and how directly or
00:29:49indirectly, in any case you mentioned drones,
00:29:53I don't know if this will be a topic, but Americans
00:29:56are building a factory for the production of Ukrainian drones, so
00:30:00imagine if that's in Serbia's interest.
00:30:02"If Americans want that, I think it would be
00:30:06good, in any case and
00:30:09Gulf countries, they have already
00:30:12bought huge quantities of Ukrainian drones
00:30:16which help them to repel these
00:30:19attacks by Iranian drones, in any case
00:30:22European countries, many European countries are looking for
00:30:26Ukrainian drones which are very effective, which
00:30:29have somewhat reversed this..." this short
00:30:33and in any case they
00:30:36help us to fight now
00:30:4090% of Russian losses are from drones, meaning
00:30:44Ukrainian drones, and Russia has already lost one million and
00:30:48500 thousand soldiers, one million
00:30:505 thousand soldiers,
00:30:5312,250 tanks,
00:30:5725,100.