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00:00:00That's a new thing, imagine if it's in Serbia's interest, if the Americans
00:00:03want it, I think it would be
00:00:06good, in any case, the
00:00:10Gulf countries have already
00:00:12bought huge quantities of Ukrainian drones that
00:00:16help them repel these
00:00:19attacks by Iranian drones. In any case,
00:00:22European countries, full of European countries, are looking for
00:00:26Ukrainian drones which are very effective and which have...
00:00:32very interesting, they will point out and have turned the tide of this war and in any
00:00:35case they help us to
00:00:42possibly an aggressor again, so that and that they will certainly touch upon this fight now. 90% of Russian losses are from drones, meaning Ukrainian drones, and
00:00:46Russia has already lost 1 million and 500 thousand
00:00:49soldiers, 1 million 5000
00:00:52soldiers,
00:00:5312,250 tanks,
00:00:5725,100.
00:01:00Armored
00:01:07artillery systems, and drones have done
00:01:10a great job so that
00:01:13this is not done not only against
00:01:16Ukraine but also against Europe. If 1.5 million
00:01:20went through Poland to Germany and beyond, and
00:01:24another 800 combat aircraft were shot down, and
00:01:28helicopters, Ukraine. "actually saved
00:01:31Europe from
00:01:33Schwarzkopf Gliss, my hair affects a quick Russian invasion, so now the Russians
00:01:36are preparing for a longer journey, but they still
00:01:40haven't given up aggressive plans
00:01:43towards Europe. Studio, mhm, yes, uh, this
00:01:47visit is happening at a time of increasingly fierce and stronger
00:01:50attacks by Moscow. We saw uh an attack a few
00:01:54days ago in Kyiv when more than 17 people were
00:01:57killed, uh Ukrainian President
00:02:00said before coming to Belgrade that Ukraine
00:02:03needs uh defense against Russian attacks, that
00:02:06they need uh anti-aircraft missiles, anti-
00:02:10ballistic uh missiles, uh,
00:02:13President Zelensky also posted photos this morning of a new
00:02:17attack uh on Ukraine, uh, so, what
00:02:21is it that Ukraine needs most at this moment in terms of
00:02:25weapons? Yes, anti-ballistic
00:02:28is needed, I am in Kyiv. Meaning, we remember every
00:02:32other day these attacks with ballistic missiles, but Serbia's anti-ballistic
00:02:36I'm not sure if it has these
00:02:38missiles, certainly not, but in any case, from
00:02:42some of our friends in European
00:02:46Union countries, we are asking for
00:02:48that
00:02:50so that they can protect our peaceful cities from these
00:02:53barbaric attacks, in any case
00:02:57this is number one, secondly... secondly
00:03:00we also want to develop our own missile
00:03:03program, that's modern warfare, when you don't produce missiles and
00:03:07are ballistic, you have to produce missiles so that you can
00:03:10counter them, so some technologies we also
00:03:14use from our Western partners
00:03:17and they somehow
00:03:20help us with that, but mostly we do it ourselves. For cruise missiles
00:03:24the program is already ready, they have started
00:03:27production, such...
00:04:00you will see what kind of impact it has on the front line, then
00:04:03it is important to have a reserve to use it
00:04:07to protect your territory, to reclaim
00:04:10territory that was already
00:04:23Volodimir Zelensky's visit, in the studio
00:04:25I'm talking to Marko Savković from the ISAC Fund, and Mr.
00:04:29Savković. "Thank you for being uh for being here, how do you
00:04:33assess this visit, as we discussed with Mr. Lovčenko,
00:04:37it comes at a time of increasingly strong, increasingly
00:04:40intense Russian attacks on Ukraine. Well, it's an important
00:04:44visit, so it's certainly been several
00:04:47months since it was speculated that Zelensky would come to Belgrade, symbolically
00:04:51very important, uh, we know how Serbia is viewed
00:04:54in many European Union countries and in Europe, it is said that
00:04:58it is one of the last alliances." if not the last that
00:05:01Russia has in this part
00:05:04of Europe, that can still be debated,
00:05:07but it is certainly
00:05:11a very important visit. And we will see now at the press conference,
00:05:15among other things, what are the messages that the two presidents
00:05:18will send, mhm, most of the discussion is actually about these topics, we heard
00:05:22what is official, that is economic cooperation,
00:05:25it is interesting that Volodimir Zelensky also said that they will discuss
00:05:29all other topics that can improve relations between the two countries, as well as the
00:05:33issue of uh security, of course, as
00:05:36we discussed with Mr. Levchenko, officially they never
00:05:39talk about these weapons and... military
00:05:43cooperation, but we assume that it was
00:05:46a topic, perhaps last night's talks between Zelensky and Vučić
00:05:52topic today. So, very possible, at one point
00:05:55it was announced that
00:05:59deliveries to all countries would be stopped,
00:06:02so that was a kind of indirect admission, so
00:06:06that ammunition did end up on
00:06:09the battlefield in Ukraine through intermediaries, mhm. Uh,
00:06:13Serbia's defense industry essentially produces what Ukraine desperately needs
00:06:16at this moment, and the previous speaker
00:06:20pointed this out. Likewise, there are some
00:06:23limitations, but Ukraine has meanwhile,
00:06:26simply forced by circumstances, developed an
00:06:30exceptional defense industry that is highly adaptable, that
00:06:34somewhat follows the trends that we see now in
00:06:37modern warfare and I think that their focus
00:06:41is now on the development
00:06:44of ballistic missiles, various systems, I'm not sure if we
00:06:48really have expertise there, this with
00:06:50drones is quite interesting, but that is an
00:06:54announcement and there are several other countries that
00:06:57are very interested, they would like to get involved, we must not
00:07:00lose sight, the previous speaker put it very well, very well
00:07:04pointed out, from the perspective of countries
00:07:08of the European Union, EU member states that are let's say directly
00:07:11next to Ukraine. or simply somewhere they assume that they
00:07:15could be tomorrow the next target of Russia,
00:07:18Ukraine is on the rampart of the European
00:07:21Union, the war it is fighting, in a way it is also fighting for
00:07:24the European Union, so
00:07:28uh for a long time now, there has been thinking
00:07:31about ways to integrate both Ukraine's
00:07:35defense system and its defense industry into what
00:07:39is already happening in the European Union, which is an attempt to integrate. defense
00:07:43capabilities, you mentioned drones, uh,
00:07:47Israel is also interested in drone production, United
00:07:50Arab Emirates, these are on the other hand all allies of the United
00:07:54States of America, is this then a, let's say,
00:07:57win-win situation for the Serbian defense
00:08:00industry? Look, yes, with the difference
00:08:04that you mentioned Hill several times in the
00:08:07introduction and so on, that was America under
00:08:11Biden. "This is now America under Trump, I think there are differences,
00:08:14in America under Biden clear
00:08:18instructions were given, so to find ways to help Ukraine, hence
00:08:22the quick understanding that
00:08:25Serbia has something that can help Ukraine in
00:08:29resisting Russia, but
00:08:32uh the idea that all efforts will now somehow
00:08:35suddenly be put, here one must
00:08:38still be careful, because Serbia still."
00:08:42counts on maintaining a relationship with
00:08:45Russia, uh, I think that it has not been
00:08:49a partnership for a long time, not even an alliance,
00:08:52interests with Russia coincide on
00:08:56several issues, but now the room for maneuver has
00:08:59also narrowed significantly, Zelensky's visit is, after all, proof of that,
00:09:03because it perhaps could not have happened a year or two ago,
00:09:07but now it has,
00:09:10Russia's ability to somehow
00:09:13punish Serbia for hosting Zelensky is now, I
00:09:17would say, very very limited, uh, and
00:09:20how will the public that is pro-Russian
00:09:23oriented react to all this that you have said?
00:09:28perhaps even a majority, we heard
00:09:32in the poll uh our people who say that Zelensky
00:09:35should even be persona non grata, so how to
00:09:39explain to that part of the public that Serbia is
00:09:42moving away in a way from Russia and explain this
00:09:46visit of Zelensky? Well, that's
00:09:48one interlocutor who follows more carefully,
00:09:52Serbia has been moving away from Russia for a longer
00:09:56time, so those relations are, I would say, far from good, there
00:10:00is no great breakthrough, visits are not at that
00:10:03level, there is no ambition for cooperation as it would be if Russia were under
00:10:07such a system of sanctions that Serbia cannot
00:10:10avoid, and when it tries to, it is under the scrutiny of
00:10:14uh Western international public opinion, it gets
00:10:18into big trouble, uh, I think that
00:10:21citizens who are, let's say, pro-Russian, I think they
00:10:25will certainly not like this visit by Zelensky, it somehow doesn't fit into, let's
00:10:29say, that way of looking at our
00:10:33reality, but uh
00:10:36the government has such dominance over the media that there are several, let's say,
00:10:40ways in which they will be able to justify or cover up
00:10:44this visit, and they will point out that
00:10:47Serbia and Ukraine share problems of territorial
00:10:51integrity, while not saying how they share them, that is, that is
00:10:57that Ukraine is simply being helped from a
00:11:00humanitarian point
00:11:03without commenting on the entire discussion about arms
00:11:06exports, yes that's a position that
00:11:10will be awkward for the authorities, but I think
00:11:13that simply when we look at the speed at which events are unfolding,
00:11:17I think they will find a way to, let's say, justify and cover themselves both before
00:11:20their voters and in the end, I am not sure
00:11:23that the voters were so, we are talking about
00:11:27the voters of the ruling party, that their, let's say,
00:11:31pro-Russian orientation is what predominantly
00:11:34defines them when it comes to supporting the ruling party, I think that is
00:11:37much uh, that the motivation is still somewhere
00:11:41else, it concerns uh some
00:11:44standard of living, it concerns expected certain
00:11:47benefits uh and however much this entire international
00:11:50situation uh was, let's
00:11:53say, uh... interesting for
00:11:56commenting and people like to talk about it,
00:12:00one doesn't live off this, and we talked about the fact that
00:12:04support for Russia, that is relations with Russia are not as they were
00:12:07before, however Serbia is not joining the foreign
00:12:11policy of the European Union, it is at the lowest level of alignment of all
00:12:15candidate countries, uh,
00:12:18so uh, how then to
00:12:21interpret this, Serbia remains principled on this issue that...
00:12:25it does not impose sanctions, that it does not join international
00:12:28initiatives that condemn Moscow and so
00:12:31on, well, there are several, let's
00:12:34say, parts of the answer, the first is, let's remember
00:12:38the very beginning of the war, uh, so, not
00:12:41the conflict, but, so the war in '22
00:12:44when Serbia condemned it in the United Nations, so it was
00:12:48also under a kind of pressure, it was clearly said, you must condemn it, and
00:12:52Serbia then condemned it, there were also several organiz
00:12:55organizations, institutions in which it, let's say, sided
00:12:58sided with that side, later
00:13:01with this never confirmed, is it or that public secret, so
00:13:05about the export of ammunition,
00:13:09it practically bought, the government bought itself time, it bought in
00:13:12a small part international support, enough to
00:13:15uh the fact that it does not
00:13:18align in every report is stated, it
00:13:21is somehow communicated to the Serbian side, uh the Serbian... side
00:13:25then points to some other things it has done,
00:13:28however, there are countries that, here I am primarily thinking of
00:13:31the three Baltic republics, but there are some other countries
00:13:35that uh no longer understand
00:13:39that position, they view
00:13:41the overall, let's say, behavior of Serbia
00:13:45in the international arena, uh, and this is now,
00:13:49this visit will now somehow
00:13:52provide an argument for them, probably. not enough, trust has been
00:13:56damaged, uh, we as the ISAC Fund have pointed this out
00:14:00many times, uh, but uh, from their
00:14:03perspective, where everything is viewed through
00:14:07the current war with Russia, perhaps some future war
00:14:10with Russia, that is what is most important.
00:14:14Uh, when it comes to the European Union, there is now an
00:14:17interesting, interesting methodology, let's say, uh,
00:14:21of accession to the European Union, this was discussed in
00:14:24Tivt. Ukraine was particularly emphasized here,
00:14:27which the European Union wants to bring closer to
00:14:30itself, what kind of model, behold,
00:14:34the President of Serbia also said that it would not be deserved for Ukraine to join
00:14:37the European Union before Serbia, what does such
00:14:41a model mean for both countries that
00:14:44are trying to join the European Union, Ukraine perhaps
00:14:47more intensely than Serbia, well, Ukraine has been offered something
00:14:51that certainly is not even
00:14:55a sufficient replacement for NATO, i.e., NATO membership, but that is
00:14:59something that was originally desired, since it is
00:15:02clear, again, I say, given the circumstances, NATO
00:15:05membership remains unattainable for Ukraine,
00:15:09we have, uh, so membership in the European Union, however
00:15:12improbable it may seem, uh,
00:15:15to me, my colleagues who have been following this issue for years,
00:15:18it is possible to find a way
00:15:21for Ukraine to join within a
00:15:25realistic timeframe, I'm not sure when it comes
00:15:28to methodology, it's very difficult to apply a methodology to a country that is in
00:15:32open war, uh, but we'll see, as for
00:15:35Serbia, I think the situation is clear. "She didn't get cluster
00:15:393 opened now, a lot was said, putting her in the same basket
00:15:43as Ukraine, as Moldova, uh, now seems like
00:15:47a reality, but Serbia can change its situation regarding
00:15:50EU membership relatively quickly, I don't
00:15:54believe it wants to, but it can, with Ukraine things are different,
00:15:57its expansion and entry
00:16:00of Ukraine and maybe Moldova, probably
00:16:03Moldova, is certainly a geopolitical expansion as it is
00:16:07said, because the European Union needs to, in quotation marks, close its eastern
00:16:11border towards Russia which is seen as a
00:16:15problem, as an adversary, as tomorrow
00:16:20eastern border is closed mhm uh as for
00:16:23Belgrade, it seems that Belgrade would do anything to
00:16:27open cluster three which refers to competitiveness,
00:16:31education, science uh on the other hand
00:16:34we heard MEPs who say how can... there be
00:16:38any progress if there is regression in cluster one which refers
00:16:41to the rule of law, so do
00:16:45you think that Belgrade is now trying to buy
00:16:47Brussels, possibly with this visit, convince those
00:16:51countries, which are not few, that opposed uh
00:16:55uh the opening of the cluster uh for it to still
00:16:58happen, which would be a big point for them before
00:17:01the elections, uh you are right on one and on the other
00:17:04question, the timing is, after all, very very
00:17:07indicative, uh, I don't know if, I don't
00:17:11know if this will be enough, uh, but the government is doing
00:17:15everything to be in a position for that cluster 3
00:17:18to be opened in autumn and to say, well, we are still on that
00:17:21European integration train, but the implications
00:17:24of this visit are, how would I say, uh, also
00:17:28a little broader than that, because they indicate, I mean,
00:17:31in a way, they signal, well, maybe we
00:17:35can take more concrete steps,
00:17:38not only when it comes to European integration, but also about what actually
00:17:42bothers, I would say, uh, perhaps an even
00:17:45larger number of members, that is the question of our strategic
00:17:48commitment, mhm, uh, because, let's
00:17:52be realistic, the mere benefit of partnership and alliance with
00:17:55Russia, and I'm surprised that somewhere, uh,
00:17:59citizens who are pro-Russian oriented,
00:18:01realize, uh, in this world, as it is
00:18:05now, it's getting smaller.
00:18:07"Mhm, and it could be even smaller if Nis
00:18:11is really sold, well, maybe that's one of
00:18:14the reasons why that whole
00:18:17sale has been dragging on
00:18:19for so long.
00:18:49it's unlikely that 12:05 will be the precise time when
00:18:53the two presidents will make statements to the media, and they said
00:18:56they would answer a few questions. Namely, the meeting
00:19:00Teta Tet, between Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelensky and Serbian President
00:19:04Aleksandar Vučić, has been going on for an hour now. I remind you, it was
00:19:07planned that the conversation would last half an hour, and then the two
00:19:11presidents would join their delegations,
00:19:14so then a conversation between the two delegations would take place, then
00:19:18the signing of a memorandum
00:19:20of understanding concerning the food safety protocol
00:19:24should follow, and then the two presidents would give statements
00:19:28to the media, however it seems that things are moving and that
00:19:31the meeting between Volodimir Zelensky and Aleksandar
00:19:34Vučić is ongoing, well, at this moment it's already
00:19:38an hour, what could that mean, so,
00:19:41why is the meeting lasting longer, it's hard to say and
00:19:45it's really ungrateful to speculate about what they are
00:19:49discussing at this moment for an hour instead of the planned half
00:19:52an hour. Dušan, Aleksandra, on social
00:19:56networks uh, Michael Martens, whom you mentioned
00:19:59earlier, posted a picture from the entrance to the Palace of Serbia, where he
00:20:03said that there was great interest,
00:20:07media interest and world media all
00:20:11how do you perceive that turnout, journalistic turnout
00:20:15at this press conference, which was, let's say,
00:20:18hastily organized, it was only announced
00:20:21yesterday, of course, the time, we assume for security
00:20:24reasons,
00:20:28that's right, Dušan, the fact that the schedule was only announced yesterday is nothing
00:20:31unusual, let's remember, so this is a wartime president of a country that is at
00:20:35war, it often happens that...
00:20:37Zelensky's visits are not announced, it's only found out in the morning that he is, for example,
00:20:41in Paris or London or some
00:20:44other country, so that moment is actually not
00:20:47unusual, media interest is huge. "And
00:20:50all domestic media and foreign media, there are several
00:20:54Ukrainian television crews who follow the activities
00:20:57of the Ukrainian president, this interest should not be surprising,
00:21:01so we are talking about this being the first time that a Ukrainian president has come
00:21:04to Serbia, he was elected president in 2019,
00:21:08he is still an absolutely legitimate president,
00:21:11considering that Ukraine is in a state of war and its constitution and
00:21:15three laws do not allow elections, I mention this because there are groups of
00:21:19politicians. "in Serbia who repeat that Russian
00:21:23narrative of Zelensky's illegitimacy, so he is a completely legitimate
00:21:26president who has not been in this country since he was elected in
00:21:292019, and his predecessor
00:21:32Petro Poroshenko was here only
00:21:36once, also the interest is great because of
00:21:39the specific position, let's say,
00:21:42of Serbia, the way Serbia is perceived, primarily in the Western
00:21:46world, we all know that it is perceived
00:21:50as one of the last allies or close
00:21:53collaborators of Russia in Europe, so
00:21:57the interest should absolutely not surprise anyone
00:22:01of course what interests everyone the most is what the two
00:22:04presidents discussed, why this meeting at
00:22:08this moment in August,
00:22:11so we know, economic cooperation, energy, possible
00:22:14armaments, possible defense,
00:22:18Ukrainian sources, that is...
00:22:20diplomats told Ukrainian media that this is a way
00:22:23to slap the Kremlin and show
00:22:27that the Ukrainian president can come to the country and talk
00:22:31to the president of a country that is, I say, perceived as
00:22:35one of Russia's close allies, as a country
00:22:38that has not imposed sanctions on Russia,
00:22:42if I'm not mistaken, the entry of cameramen actually means that
00:22:45the meeting of expanded delegations has begun, which
00:22:49are attended by presidents, Serbian President
00:22:52Aleksandar Vučić and Ukrainian
00:30:54moments for you and highlight what
00:30:57is really important, comment.