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00:03:42The most important topics from today's press are commented on by the journalist, writer Rade
00:03:46Radovanović, who is a guest on the new day, but someone who was a reporter for
00:03:49Radio Free Europe during the bombing. Good morning, welcome.
00:03:53Good morning, good day. I'm saying this because of yesterday's, because
00:03:56of yesterday's verdict. And here it is on the front pages.
00:04:00Today, it says Thaçi and others for KLA crimes,
00:04:0381 years in prison. The newspaper Nova
00:04:07also has it, 81 years.
00:04:10Let me ask you, after so many years, after everything,
00:04:14is yesterday's verdict a surprise to you?
00:04:17Did you expect it? I'm not a lawyer,
00:04:20but to be honest,
00:04:24I didn't expect it. It seemed to me, it seems to me now, that
00:04:28these are quite high sentences. I mean, these 80, how many
00:04:31years did people get?
00:04:34Two accused, Thaçi and Veseli, right?
00:04:3825 years each. This
00:04:41is not the end of the proceedings, but it
00:04:44seems very, very high sentences. We saw
00:04:47the reaction of Albanians both in The Hague and in
00:04:51Kosovo. There will probably be some reactions in Albania itself, I think,
00:04:54but that's exactly what I want to see, what it brought to the
00:04:58region, because in Kosovo, they say it's
00:05:01unfair. We saw stones thrown at the government building.
00:05:05Yesterday, my colleague Tanja Lazarević explained the atmosphere there,
00:05:09complete mobilization, that there is not a single voice that would
00:05:12critically re-examine what the KLA did. So,
00:05:16we have that, and here we have these headlines, so that they were
00:05:20acquitted for the mass persecution of Serbs, that it was not
00:05:23a verdict but a farce. So, what is too much there, here is
00:05:26too little. What did it bring to the region? Uh, those
00:05:29exaggerations, actually, those drastic attitudes, let me say,
00:05:32precisely speak about the state of affairs in our
00:05:36in our in in this reality of ours, as
00:05:40it is. Serbs in this situation
00:05:43expect, and want, it doesn't matter, but as many
00:05:47sentences as possible, considering these people, we are talking about these
00:05:51four, right, as
00:05:54accomplished, or proven criminals and so on. And Albanians in
00:05:58Kosovo, uh, judging by the reaction
00:06:01of the President of Albania,
00:06:04mhm, there will be similar reactions
00:06:07in Albania, they are simply, I think the bewilderment and
00:06:11shock of the Albanian public, of Albanians, is greater
00:06:14than that of Serbs. Serbs are silent for understandable
00:06:18reasons, they don't know what will happen tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and so
00:06:21on, but they know, they don't know to what extent Albanian
00:06:24nationalism will certainly be raised, I mean because of that whole
00:06:28uh, that whole event of the sentencing
00:06:32of these verdicts. So, uh, what will happen, how it will
00:06:36happen, we don't know that yet, or rather, because it's a first
00:06:40instance decision. Yes. The procedure
00:06:43allows for everything, we have examples from the Hague court and
00:06:46tribunal, and this is not the Hague court, I think that needs
00:06:50to be emphasized, people simply know, this is
00:06:53uh, formally, let me say, but essentially, uh,
00:06:57a court, or a panel, that are part of the Kosovo judicial
00:07:01system. Uh, however, they judged according to criteria,
00:07:04international criteria. I don't know if those are indeed the criteria of the Hague
00:07:08Tribunal, or I assume Kosovan ones, just to...
00:07:12It's a specialized panel, a specialized panel
00:07:15and in this appeals process
00:07:19we'll see what else is possible, but in various processes, as far as
00:07:22The Hague is concerned, some of these processes concerned
00:07:26our, primarily our accused, I mean, accused from Serbia and
00:07:30so on were drastic in the sense of 27
00:07:33years, and then an acquittal. I mean, we still don't know
00:07:37what will definitively happen with those sentences, but
00:07:41in terms of atmosphere. "Later, Professor Marko
00:07:45Milanović will speak to our Danica about
00:07:48both political and legal aspects, but in terms
00:07:51of atmosphere, after all these years, after all the verdicts, somehow
00:07:55this September took us back to the 90s with the burial of Ratko
00:07:58Mladić. So, that feeling, it's good when
00:08:02their person is convicted, it's bad when ours is. 30 years
00:08:05later, that tribunal justice, what has
00:08:08it achieved? We must know some facts that are conscious here."
00:08:13No, not suppressing, but hiding, and the facts say
00:08:16that during two years of war, conflicts in
00:08:19Kosovo from '99 and '98
00:08:22were two years of war, uh,
00:08:2613,500 people died, how we want, 13,500 something
00:08:30people, those something are also people, of those
00:08:3313,500 uh almost 11.
00:08:3610,800 something people are Albanians,
00:08:392,200 something more.
00:08:51Roma, or whoever lived there, no longer
00:08:54lives there. So, those numbers need to be known. So, there was
00:08:58terrible suffering, terrible crimes, and for those
00:09:01crimes, uh, it is just and
00:09:05civilized that one is held accountable. Now,
00:09:08someone will say, "Oh, but let's see here, there are 11 dead Albanians."
00:09:12"And there are 2,000 something dead Serbs." That is a wrong
00:09:16approach. But if the civilized principle is accepted that for
00:09:19crimes, uh, one must be held accountable, then we have what
00:09:23is now on the scene, although already more than
00:09:2725, almost three decades after
00:09:30the end of that war by the end of 1999,
00:09:33but as we know, as we see
00:09:37in the context of our elections,
00:09:40absolutely uh... not a glimmer, let me
00:09:44say, not an end, but the establishment
00:09:48of normal interpersonal civilized relations
00:09:52between uh
00:09:54Serbia and uh Kosovo,
00:09:58I think that implies, I consider it entirely logical that Kosovo is another
00:10:01new, new, I mean, independent state, and
00:10:04the facts show that it is so, we are
00:10:08somewhere there, now you will end up in a tabloid
00:10:10or something, but... uh, yes, let's
00:10:14move on when you said in the context
00:10:17of our elections, so we entered
00:10:20the election campaign with the funeral of Ratko
00:10:23Mladić, but how does it seem to you that the other side, that is,
00:10:27if the morning shows the day, as they say, what will
00:10:30this campaign be like? Student cyclists are setting off today
00:10:34across Serbia, in two directions. What awaits us until
00:10:37October 25th?
00:10:41Well, I think that, uh, not even the President
00:10:44of the country with his staff knows, if that staff even
00:10:48exists. I mean, do you think it doesn't? Well, I think
00:10:51the question is whether it exists. I'm really not joking, but what I
00:10:55hear from various informed
00:10:59sources, uh, there is, let me say,
00:11:02disarray, but quite a bit, I mean, in those concentric circles
00:11:06around the President, but in those staffs and
00:11:10in that part that takes care of elections and so on,
00:11:14what I hear is that the President is terribly
00:11:17dissatisfied with how his, uh,
00:11:20his members, his, I don't know, supporters,
00:11:24non-supporters?" "How they react, how they
00:11:27show themselves, unlike the opposing side, I'm looking from the President's
00:11:30perspective, where uh, what they are doing, I don't
00:11:34know if he calls them blockaders or whatever, but it looks like weddings, what
00:11:38you are doing approximately, by chance,
00:11:41I quote the President, he says everything looks like a funeral, quite
00:11:45an interesting context. I'm not claiming that it's 100% true,
00:11:49but when we look at some parallel events, like, for
00:11:52example, this statement from two days ago, from the 200-
00:11:56page high public prosecutor, it simply
00:11:59looks completely astonishing and
00:12:02terrifying. I think, I think we will, upon
00:12:05the introduction, well, I can't say of a legal order, but
00:12:09of the rule of law in this country of ours, as
00:12:12it is, we will have various uh topics
00:12:16in terms of, I mean, is it possible that this was
00:12:19the prosecution, that these people were doing their job? I mean, these Marković
00:12:23and others who were saying to us, who are talking about what,
00:12:27and you put it in the context of the election campaign, that it's because they
00:12:30came out, I have no doubt, with what Aleksandar Vučić
00:12:33demanded, that now you have to do this, that, they come out with
00:12:37something that is both so extensive and so
00:12:41senseless. There was no sonic cannon, and whoever
00:12:44mentions it, I mean, if you mention it, you are subject to, I
00:12:48don't know, what kind of responsibilities with some extremely
00:12:52interesting, but quite insane explanations
00:12:55for why more than
00:12:58a few, 2-3 people, sought medical help
00:13:01after those 19 hours and 11 minutes
00:13:05of last year's March 15th, uh, during
00:13:09those largest demonstrations that were held in
00:13:12Belgrade after the use of the sonic
00:13:16cannon. We have, on the one hand, what you put in the context
00:13:19of the election campaign, the higher public prosecutor's message that everyone
00:13:23will be prosecuted.
00:13:25But besides that, is the fact that the SNS
00:13:29submitted a list with 200,000 signatures, the first one,
00:13:33but this time, even before, excuse me, even before
00:13:36the collection of signatures began, that
00:13:39requires a separate topic, but the fact that it did not
00:13:43come out as a coalition, it absorbed all
00:13:46parties into itself and came out as a party. What
00:13:49does that tell you? Does it speak of nervousness and fear, or does it speak
00:13:53of... based on the principle, uh,
00:13:57"the state, that's me," a well-known principle, not to mention
00:14:00whose and so on, but from that principle, the president
00:14:03escalated
00:14:06to, uh, a party whose president I am not, but I am, I don't know
00:14:09what kind of member, I am also me. Therefore, those of you who
00:14:12will be in a coalition, you will be subsequently informed depending
00:14:15on how many votes you got, whether you crossed
00:14:18the census or not. But such behavior, I'm waiting for this, we
00:14:22don't see anywhere the truck with which he should do something... to go around Serbia and
00:14:26say something new to the citizens of Serbia, and so on. I see these other
00:14:29manifestations, really, as for the beginning of the
00:14:33campaign, the campaign of election participants, but I don't
00:14:36see, I don't see anywhere actually those
00:14:39demonstrators uh of the ruling party
00:14:42and their list holder. We
00:14:46have 25 also,
00:14:49what does it mean? It means that he is dissatisfied
00:14:52with, I guess, that organization of preparations.
00:14:55performance, uh, Vučić himself gives some ideas
00:14:59what and how to do, and then we will only see how it looks
00:15:02and what else we will have to endure, both from
00:15:05trucks and, I don't know, uh, from various
00:15:09other means of transport, including bicycles, and if we
00:15:12look through the press, we see that
00:15:15uh Dragan Mirić, he called on the entire opposition to
00:15:19support the student list. A good part of it, and
00:15:22Branko Ružić says it is possible that they will participate in
00:15:25the elections, but mhm, no, he does
00:15:29not explain how, but do you have understanding for this, for
00:15:32pro-European parties that are running in the elections? Dragan Đilas says
00:15:36in Nova, he says that the goal is to be bigger than
00:15:39the SPS and at that moment after the elections to help
00:15:43students form
00:15:46a majority. I am one of those who
00:15:50is thrilled, really thrilled with so many
00:15:54many uh moves, uh,
00:15:57lucidity and courage of our students,
00:16:00and I am one, if it's not immodest to say, I am
00:16:03one of the open critics of their various.
00:16:16is one of the biggest mistakes that students have made so far. I will not talk
00:16:19about that anymore because I don't want to talk about the mistakes of students, because that
00:16:23attitude towards the opposition, towards opposition parties, and
00:16:26so on, by the way, I am not in any
00:16:30party, but uh, for me,
00:16:33the relationship is unacceptable when it comes to the sonic parade, that you say to the
00:16:37opposition, "you showed what you have, you have nothing," and so on. That is not
00:16:41good, that is not, not even
00:16:45uh, it is not acceptable. For these
00:16:48reasons and so on, I will, after this conversation of ours and
00:16:51everything else, among other things, go to give my signature for
00:16:54this signature collection for registering the list of precisely
00:16:58this coalition that you mentioned, uh, for European
00:17:01Serbia, right? Uh, yes, because I consider it, for
00:17:05very practical, concrete reasons, firstly... I
00:17:07have generally, most of my life I have been
00:17:11against uh all all and against those some
00:17:14whatever their ideas, but in essence totalitarian
00:17:18commitments. I don't think that totalitarianism
00:17:21is committing to students, by no means, but
00:17:24to deny uh a priori the right of anyone
00:17:28else to participate as they see fit, I am against that
00:17:31energetically. For these reasons, I think it is not only from
00:17:35principled reasons, I will support this coalition. But I think
00:17:38we can come, I hope some of the students, especially those I
00:17:42am in contact with, hear me now. One can get into
00:17:45a dangerous situation, because this one I was talking about, who was not
00:17:49satisfied and so on, I have no doubt that his teams and
00:17:52his advisors and all those who work
00:17:56on those elections according to his criteria do
00:18:00not perform various actions that will lead to, I don't know, what
00:18:03kind of results, and then with those results it is possible that...
00:18:07"There is no doubt, I am for changing that regime,
00:18:11I mean, and so on, it can be missing one,
00:18:15two, three percent, then it will be a bit late and
00:18:18a bit, well, stupid, as it repeats in our regions, to
00:18:22regret after certain activities, let me
00:18:25say nothing else. Well, there are still questions that I will not ask you, but after
00:18:29you comes uh Zdravko Pološ, Mr. Zdravko, so I will
00:18:32continue that topic with him, but..." Uh,
00:18:36an interesting moment happened. After
00:18:3915 years that he hadn't had that challenge for a TV
00:18:43debate, the president wants to have
00:18:46a debate with the list
00:18:48leader. He says, I mean, I think
00:18:52he says, uh, he said that in a very, uh,
00:18:55stylistically, completely inclusive way, as far as
00:18:58the complete student campaign and so on are concerned.
00:19:01Mhm. Roughly, you are not authorized to be in a dialogue
00:19:05with us, in a dialogue with me, but... "Here, Andrej Vanji
00:19:09thought about that topic and he suggests, so
00:19:12I want to ask you, he suggests that
00:19:16Professor Stadranović accept, but under certain conditions, starting from
00:19:19Vučić's resignation, so that they have limited
00:19:23time, then time for rebuttal, then to the fact that there are two
00:19:26moderators, one for each
00:19:29speaker's choice, asking
00:19:32questions, because that's how it is, right, two moderators, but
00:19:35it raises the question of whether..." would, would Vučić agree
00:19:39to a dialogue on equal terms? What
00:19:43do you think, is that a question or a rhetorical question? I know
00:19:46a little, still for a few more days, the President of Serbia,
00:19:49already from the 27th, he will only be a citizen
00:19:53who is in the race for the best possible placement of his uh
00:19:57coalition, if it is a coalition, and for, I mean,
00:20:01winning the prime minister's position, right? But
00:20:04really, not even the closest circle of
00:20:08Aleksandar Vučić probably doesn't know, if you were
00:20:11to ask them, if we were to ask them how he would behave, how Vučić
00:20:15would behave in such a situation,
00:20:17uh, I don't know, we know, I mean,
00:20:20that who knows that the stylistic peculiarity
00:20:24of Aleksandar Vučić is to say one thing today, another in two or three
00:20:27days. Do you think, let me be mild, that he tells
00:20:31untruths, or that what he says are not truths?
00:20:35Then when it's so obvious, he then finds some explanation, like
00:20:38the other day he said that Thaçi would be, he would get something
00:20:42tralala, roughly because of obstructing the court, I mean, Thaçi
00:20:46got 25 years. Whatever that means, we know
00:20:50what that actually can mean. After that, he says,
00:20:53he further relativizes and says, yes, but it's legally binding,
00:20:56not legally binding, but again Serbs will be to blame, Serbs are always to
00:21:00blame. That Chimera syndrome which has passed
00:21:03until now, I hope it will no longer pass
00:21:07in this situation, this campaign of ours for the elections, and
00:21:10I, I liked that position of uh Dr.
00:21:13Milija Zrdanović. Indeed, we
00:21:17have nothing to talk about. You had, you have so much that if
00:21:21you had something to talk about, you should be polite. And it is really
00:21:24impolite to prevent, to forbid all other
00:21:28political, non-political experts in this country from appearing
00:21:32on what are state televisions,
00:21:35that is, under the personal and state control
00:21:38of Aleksandar Vučić, and that is the situation.
00:21:41That is the situation. We stop here. Thank you for being
00:21:45a guest on the new day, a guest on the press review was journalist Rade
00:21:48Radovanović. You stay with us.
00:21:57And we talked about it just now, students have announced a big cycling tour
00:22:01all over Serbia, it will last 10 days and during it
00:22:05two groups of cyclists will visit cities from
00:22:08Subotica to Vranje. One group starts from Republic Square, our
00:22:11Tamara Ogjanović is there and Tamara, how are these
00:22:15two tours conceived?
00:22:18Someone told me that...
00:22:20Well, we will check that with the students who organized
00:22:24this cycling tour, who are some of the participants. Let's just say
00:22:28that this tour starts from Republic Square. At
00:22:32this moment, cyclists are still gathering. As they
00:22:36told us, the start of the ride will be a bit late compared to the announced time
00:22:39of 9 o'clock, since they are still waiting for the rest of the participants
00:22:43to join this bike tour. I am talking to
00:22:47Laura Živić and Mihajlo Jovanović. Thank you for your time. You took out
00:22:50for 1:1 before the start of this bike tour. So
00:22:54let's start by explaining why you decided specifically
00:22:57on a cycling tour. We know that this tour to
00:23:01Strasbourg was extremely popular, it was covered by the media, it was
00:23:05very popular on social networks, you also had other cycling tours
00:23:08in Serbia, uh,
00:23:11but why did you decide on this action now?
00:23:14That's right, yes, the tour to Strasbourg was very well
00:23:18covered by the media, but today we will not...
00:23:20focus on it, today the focus is on this tour, why did we decide
00:23:24on a cycling tour, not maybe a walking tour,
00:23:27this is because for logistical reasons
00:23:31we move fastest, we have the opportunity through these 10
00:23:35days that we will be going, to pass through almost all places
00:23:38in Serbia to cover as much of this
00:23:42area as possible, so that as many citizens
00:23:45as possible hear about us, but not only hear, but see us, so that they can
00:23:49greet us. with us to gain
00:23:52hope in the sense that they see that we really exist, that we
00:23:56are not just some kids from Instagram, some kids
00:24:00from television and so on, but we are really people
00:24:03here, students who are ready to make changes in this
00:24:06country. And when we talk about the route, which cities
00:24:10will you be visiting? We said you are going in two directions, north and
00:24:13south of Serbia. Do you want to tell us more about that? That's right, so we have
00:24:17two different uh cycling tours, as Mihajlo
00:24:21said, to cover as large a region
00:24:24of Serbia as possible. One tour goes through western and southern Serbia, while
00:24:28the other tour goes through Vojvodina and Mačva. I
00:24:31specifically drive that tour through Vojvodina and Mačva, so I can tell you the places we
00:24:35pass through: Vršac, Zrenjanin, Kikinda, Subotica,
00:24:38Sombor, Novi Sad, Šabac, Loznica, Lazarevac, and finally
00:24:42Kragujevac, where we symbolically meet with the other group,
00:24:46that is, with the southern tour. Why Kragujevac? Because that is where
00:24:50the first Serbian constitution was adopted. As guardians of the constitution, as
00:24:54this cycling tour itself is called, we felt that
00:24:57that is the best place for that symbolic
00:25:00big gathering, because, as in every
00:25:04uh legal state, the constitution
00:25:07should be respected and all citizens should be enabled to truly
00:25:10have some basic and elementary rights which, unfortunately, are constantly
00:25:14violated under this government. We believe the constitution
00:25:18should really be something that...
00:25:20uh, what is written in it should be made available to all citizens of that
00:25:23state. So, the tour is called the Guardians of the Constitution, and
00:25:27you will carry with you three copies of the constitution.
00:25:30Why three? Well, because we are number three, that is, the student list
00:25:34is number three. So we will symbolically have three constitutions which
00:25:38will be presented today and then will be
00:25:41handed over in Kragujevac at the end of the tours
00:25:45themselves. So, that's why it's number three. Today it will be presented
00:25:48to the participants. Yes, it will be presented, I didn't say it well, to the participants
00:25:52of the tour who will carry those constitutions with them for the next 10 days and
00:25:56finally it will be symbolically handed over in Kragujevac.
00:26:00Mihajlo, to whom is this? message? Uh, with
00:26:03the Constitution addressed to all citizens, the essence is
00:26:07that the Constitution, which has been constantly violated until now,
00:26:11will go through all of Serbia, everyone will have the opportunity to
00:26:15see that Constitution, for the Constitution to reach their
00:26:18places, and then
00:26:21finally reach the place where that first Constitution
00:26:25was made. How else did you envision this tour, that is, what
00:26:29activities will you have at certain points where you will be staying?
00:26:32Did you foresee talks with citizens and any other
00:26:35actions? Of course, it is certainly planned that in
00:26:38a
00:26:40large number of places we stop, to talk to
00:26:44citizens, precisely for the reason, as I said earlier, so that citizens would have
00:26:48the opportunity to really see us again, we are not just some people who
00:26:52ran through, that is, drove through, this, but
00:26:55that we are really someone who stopped, someone who talked to them,
00:26:59then we continue to do
00:27:02the same. In the next place, in the next, and in the next, and in the next, until we
00:27:05go through our entire country. And Laura, let's
00:27:09just clarify, so, uh,
00:27:12how many participants are expected today and how will this
00:27:15tour function in the coming days? Well,
00:27:18in terms of participants, people will join in certain cities, not everyone starts from here today, right?
00:27:22That's right, just as you said, considering that the tour lasts 10 days,
00:27:26we have two tours, so there will not be a constant
00:27:29number of participants every day. Many
00:27:33citizens will join us along the way, but approximately
00:27:36the estimated number of people we expect is about 250 people.
00:27:40Uh, so we will see in the coming days, that number will probably increase even more
00:27:44when other students and other citizens join, but we
00:27:47hope there will be as many of us as possible in Kragujevac. We invite all
00:27:51citizens to come to that big gathering on the 26th
00:27:53in Kragujevac. You were participants in cycling tours
00:27:56before, you went to Strasbourg, we see your jersey, you
00:28:00went through Vojvodina, right?
00:28:02What do you expect from this
00:28:05ten-day important
00:28:08bike tour? Well, first and foremost, we expect a lot of good
00:28:12energy, we expect a lot,
00:28:14a lot of energy that will, uh,
00:28:17prevail both within us, within the group that will be riding, and among
00:28:21the citizens who will welcome us, who will prepare
00:28:24to welcome us, to pass
00:28:28by us, yes,
00:28:30we also expect that once again, before a very important date, that is,
00:28:34before October 25th, we will show all of Serbia
00:28:37that change is coming, that indeed
00:28:41with joint forces we can fight for a fairer and better
00:28:44country. Thank you very much for speaking
00:28:48to N1, have a safe trip. So, students are leaving
00:28:51today from the center of Belgrade for this cycling tour which will last
00:28:5510 days, to two sides of Serbia, and will finally
00:28:59meet in Kragujevac. They are inviting
00:29:02citizens who wish to join them.
00:29:06Thank you, this was Tamara Ovjanović.
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