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00:00:00Over the weekend, we expect occasional rain and then showers. Sara Botić
00:00:03has the details, and Sara, when exactly will the change
00:00:07arrive and how much cooler
00:00:09weather will it bring us?
00:00:12Nataša, for the next two to three days, it will remain warm with
00:00:16temperatures above average, i.e., around 30
00:00:19degrees. Then, next week, we expect real
00:00:22autumn weather, temperatures around 20, rain, and
00:00:25showers. Before that, this Thursday and Friday bring
00:00:29sunny weather with temperatures above average. Namely, today's
00:00:33temperature will be up to 31, while Friday will be the warmest
00:00:37day of this week with a temperature of up to 32 degrees.
00:00:40Due to these temperatures, which are above average values, the Republic
00:00:44Hydrometeorological Institute has activated a lower level of warning for
00:00:48today and tomorrow, a yellow weather alert in parts of Serbia where it will be
00:00:52warmest, that is in the south, southeast and east of Serbia.
00:00:55Temperatures will be highest today and tomorrow in Niš, over
00:00:5930 degrees. From Friday, there will be slightly
00:01:02more cloudiness. Tomorrow, there will be conditions for showers and
00:01:05thunderstorms across the country, while over the weekend, it will be mostly cloudy.
00:01:09In most parts of the country, there will be conditions for precipitation, but these are local
00:01:13precipitations, meaning many places will remain without
00:01:16rain. Next week, then, autumn weather. On
00:01:20Monday, it will be around 25 degrees, while from Tuesday, we expect
00:01:23a noticeable cooling and a temperature of only
00:01:2720 degrees, and that in the warmest part of the day. While nights
00:01:30will be noticeably cooler, so, two more days of summer
00:01:34temperatures, then next week we finally enter
00:01:37autumn. About the weather, that's all.
00:01:41Thank you, Sara. It's a new day, the third hour. Here's what
00:01:44you're watching.
00:01:47If the argument of the opposition parties that withdrew from the election
00:01:50race is to create a referendum atmosphere, then what is the argument
00:01:54for participating? The guest of the morning's topic is the leader of the European
00:01:57Serbia list, Zdravko Ponoš.
00:02:03The most important sports news is brought to us by Ilija
00:02:05Kovačić.
00:02:09Let's go to the latest news. We're watching Maja Đurić
00:02:12Avramov. She prepared them, and Maja, what news do we start with?
00:02:16Nataša, with news about the verdict that was delivered yesterday in The Hague.
00:02:19The Specialist Chambers of Kosovo in The Hague
00:02:22that I refer to handed down a first-instance verdict to the leader of the former KLA, Hashim Thaçi, and
00:02:25his closest associates Kadri Veseli, Rexhep Selimi, and
00:02:29Jakup Krasniqi. Thaçi and Krasniqi were sentenced to 25
00:02:32years in prison each, Veseli to 18, and Selimi to 13 years. Chief
00:02:36Prosecutor Kimber West welcomed the verdict, stating that it is
00:02:40important for the rule of law in Kosovo to deliver
00:02:43delayed justice for victims. Hashim Thaçi's lawyer, Pierre
00:02:47Prosper, said he was shocked by the verdict, stating that it was predetermined
00:02:50and that it only took into account the evidence presented by
00:02:54the prosecution. After the verdicts were handed down in The Hague, at the place where
00:02:58Kosovar Albanians had gathered, unrest broke out. Several people
00:03:02climbed onto police vehicles and hit them, and the police
00:03:05used water cannons to disperse the crowd. Most of
00:03:09the day in the afternoon was calm.
00:03:11miran.
00:03:14Albanian demonstrators again threw stones at the EULEX headquarters on the outskirts
00:03:18of Priština overnight. On the main square in that city,
00:03:21the gathering of supporters of the former KLA continued. Supporters of the former KLA and
00:03:25citizens carried Albanian flags of the organization, with the activation
00:03:29of smoke grenades and firecrackers, as reported by Koha Ditore. A small part
00:03:33of the roof of the EULEX building also caught fire. "Death to
00:03:36traitors, freedom to liberators," was heard
00:03:39several times among the demonstrators.
00:03:41The demonstrators are demanding that the government and parliament take a stand and
00:03:45plan what they will do next after the verdict for the four leaders
00:03:48of the former KLA. They announced that they will continue the protests and that citizens
00:03:52will not remain silent before the decision of the court in The Hague, which they consider
00:03:55unjust. The Kosovo police announced that two people were arrested.
00:04:02Lawyer and victims' representative Aleksandar Olenik believes that the
00:04:05prosecution will appeal, focusing on the length of the sentence, but also on
00:04:09the fact that Thaçi and others were acquitted of part of the indictment related
00:04:12to crimes against humanity.
00:04:16"That part, in my opinion, must be the subject of a second-instance procedure, and
00:04:20I think that this panel, i.e., the council that will
00:04:23deliberate on the appeals, will have to especially
00:04:27examine that part, because the evidence was fixed and
00:04:31presented many years before the trial itself.
00:04:34I will give you an example: the victims represented by my office, they were all
00:04:38in a camp for a long time, and KFOR
00:04:41liberated them. On that occasion, they came, took over,
00:04:45disarmed these KLA members, filmed everything, created evidence,
00:04:48took these people, of course, to the hospital in Bondsteel where they treated them, documented
00:04:52everything, and everything that happened in that
00:04:55camp has fixed evidence. That evidence was
00:04:57presented at this trial. One of them
00:05:01gave a statement before the court itself, others gave recorded statements that were
00:05:04recorded here, so everything was established
00:05:07there. The United States of America respects the verdict
00:05:10of the Specialist Chambers and calls on all parties to accept the court's decision,"
00:05:14Radio Free Europe reported. Washington also called for avoiding
00:05:18inflammatory rhetoric after the verdict was announced. "We call on all
00:05:22parties to respect the court's decision, avoid rhetoric that incites
00:05:25tensions, and continue to work for a peaceful, democratic
00:05:28future," the spokesperson stated. France
00:05:31announced that it had taken note of the verdict delivered by
00:05:34the Specialist Chambers of Kosovo in the case against Hashim
00:05:38Thaçi and others. The French Ministry for Europe and Foreign
00:05:41Affairs stated that they express support for that judicial
00:05:45institution and the fight against
00:05:47impunity.
00:05:57Representatives of the electoral list, the Party of Justice and Reconciliation of Usame Zukorlić,
00:06:00and the Movement for Unification, submitted to the Republican Electoral Commission a list of
00:06:04250 candidates for members of parliament, with about
00:06:077,000 collected signatures of citizen support. Zukorlić
00:06:10stated that the party's list of candidates includes more than
00:06:1450% women. He stated that he expects the SPP to be
00:06:17the strongest Bosniak party that will bring results to all
00:06:21parts of Serbia where national communities live and all
00:06:25who support the Party of Justice
00:06:27and Reconciliation.
00:06:30The Republican Electoral Commission discussed the complaints that were
00:06:34submitted regarding the proclamation of the Serbian Progressive Party's list. One
00:06:38of the complaints was submitted by the director of Birodi, Zoran Gavrilović, in
00:06:41his capacity as a voter. As he stated, the SNS list has
00:06:44a name that contains the name of the current president, Aleksandar Vučić,
00:06:48first on that list, who continues
00:06:52Gavrilović therefore assessed that the RIK illegally
00:06:55declared that list valid. Identical complaints were submitted by three
00:06:59other voters. All complaints were rejected as
00:07:01unfounded.
00:07:04The Romanian party announced that it will support the student list
00:07:07"Students Win" in the upcoming parliamentary elections on October 25.
00:07:11The party's presidency stated that
00:07:14it will make its organizational capacities available to students
00:07:18during the campaign, and calls on members of the Romanian national
00:07:21minority to support their list, as reported by TV
00:07:25Nova portal. They added that the decision represents a continuation of the agreement
00:07:29reached in May in Kovin with representatives
00:07:32of the student movement.
00:07:36Students blockading the University of Belgrade announced last night that
00:07:39police officers from the Economic Crime Sector came to their
00:07:43warehouse where promotional material for their future actions is stored. They
00:07:47claim that the police officers did not have a warrant for this and that they entered
00:07:50private property. "The timely reaction of lawyers, students, and
00:07:54citizens has once again shown that we will not give up, that
00:07:58they cannot intimidate us. Such cheap attempts at intimidation
00:08:01will not even scratch us," the students stated on the social
00:08:05network
00:08:05Instagram.
00:08:09The president of the New Democratic Party of Serbia and member of the police, Miloš
00:08:13Jovanović, assessed that this pre-election campaign will be worse than all
00:08:17previous ones when it comes to conditions and media pluralism. "The opposition
00:08:21public, created by two television stations,
00:08:24uncritically accepted the students' demand for elections without
00:08:27changing the conditions, and they are ahead of us. We are going into them with
00:08:31a clear ideology and political vision as the only ones from
00:08:34the right side of the political spectrum," Jovanović told
00:08:38the weekly Nin. He added that the country's relationship with the European Union
00:08:42has been decided, because the relationship with
00:08:45everything else depends on it, and that on this issue, as he stated,
00:08:49everyone must
00:08:49take a stand.
00:08:58The US House of Representatives passed a bill on sanctions and tariffs, whose
00:09:02aim is to increase economic pressure on Russia due to the invasion of
00:09:06Ukraine, sending the act to President Donald Trump
00:09:09for signature almost a year and a half after it was
00:09:13proposed by the late Senator Lindsey Graham, Reuters
00:09:16reports. The House of Representatives passed the bill with 262
00:09:20votes for and 159 against, after
00:09:2358 Democrats deviated from the party leadership's
00:09:26stance and joined Republicans in supporting the
00:09:30act. The proposal was passed in the Senate last month, and
00:09:33the law targets Russia's energy and defense
00:09:37industries, as well as its fleet and shadow fleet of
00:09:41tankers that circumvent existing sanctions, all with the aim of denying
00:09:45Moscow the funds it uses to finance the war in
00:09:48Ukraine. The proposal met with resistance because it authorizes Trump to
00:09:51impose high tariffs that can reach 100% on
00:09:55China, India, and other countries to reduce
00:09:58their dependence on Russian oil and gas, as
00:10:01well as to extend sanctions
00:10:03on Iran.
00:10:07The House of Representatives of the American Congress, for the third time, passed a resolution to
00:10:10stop the war in Iran. The number of ruling
00:10:14Republicans who sided with opposition Democrats also increased, giving
00:10:17them a majority to pass it. The resolution intends to prevent
00:10:21US President Donald Trump from waging war against Iran without the approval
00:10:25of the US Congress. This is the third such resolution this summer,
00:10:29but none has reached the President himself, who must sign it, and it is likely that Trump
00:10:32would veto it. Under
00:10:35circumstances of a very slim Republican majority, the opposition Democrats
00:10:39were given a majority for passing the resolution by four
00:10:42Republican representatives. All Democratic representatives voted
00:10:46for the resolution.
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00:17:06If the argument of the opposition parties that withdrew from the election
00:17:10race is to create a referendum atmosphere, then what is the argument
00:17:14for participating? What is the attitude towards the will of individual committees and officials
00:17:18who explicitly requested that the decision be reconsidered and then
00:17:21left the party? The guest of the morning's topic is the leader of the
00:17:25European Serbia list, Zdravko Ponoš from the Serbia Centre Party. Good
00:17:28morning and welcome. Good morning. So, the answer to what is probably
00:17:32my first question is currently on the X platform. Namely, you
00:17:35pitanje, naime, vi ste na...
00:17:38commented on an article titled "Will the heart change its decision and support
00:17:41the student list?" You said it won't, and that still stands today,
00:17:44I presume? Yes, nothing has changed. Was it a difficult
00:17:48decision? Did you have doubts, even for a moment,
00:17:51when the PSG left? When this
00:17:55"Narodna Srbija" stood with the students, when
00:17:59you saw those queues or the submission of the student list, was there
00:18:02a dilemma? You know, this
00:18:06conversation of ours begins with a "believe it or not" section,
00:18:10right? So I'm coming to the studio.
00:18:13I think your question is logical in this atmosphere. You didn't
00:18:16create it, but we have an atmosphere in which a question is posed to the head of an opposition
00:18:19party,
00:18:22the list leader, "Why are you going to the elections?" I didn't ask
00:18:25why, I just asked if you had, well, okay, "Why don't you
00:18:28withdraw from the elections?" I didn't even ask
00:18:31you that. Oh no, I don't expect you to explain the question to me, but I understand
00:18:35what you mean, that it's being asked.
00:18:39Parties are for going to elections, that's their job. Well, parties are not for
00:18:43going to elections for me, that's a normal
00:18:46thing. You should ask those who withdrew from the elections
00:18:50why they withdrew. Well, okay, but let me just explain
00:18:53at the beginning, there were elections that your party did not
00:18:57participate in, so when you say that they are for going to elections, it's not
00:19:01always the case, right? Well, then we calculated, but these were not such
00:19:05republican elections, those were some local elections. "For principled reasons,
00:19:09because we, well, let me finish, because we signed that paper that
00:19:13the proclamation gave us, that we agreed not to go
00:19:16to elections under such conditions. Some changed their minds for these
00:19:20elections. We decided at the level at
00:19:23which our party decides, that was in May at the main board meeting.
00:19:27At that time, we made that decision, and everything after that is just maintaining
00:19:31that trajectory. There's nothing new there, nothing has happened because
00:19:34of which we would give up that decision. The main board of the party
00:19:37defines the party's policy, which the presidency implements. Our presidency
00:19:41implements that policy, so there was no dilemma,
00:19:44even in this current surge, the last one. We, of course,
00:19:48listen, we listen to the atmosphere,
00:19:52we listen, not so much to what someone else from other
00:19:56parties will do, but we listen to the public's mood, and as we
00:19:59notice it, well, in the end, we have friends and family members who
00:20:03point out that this is not a normal situation, that we should
00:20:06consider whether the party will survive something like this.
00:20:10But you know, I think that what is now before us, these elections, are not just
00:20:14elections to get rid of this government of the SNS.
00:20:17These are elections to decide whether Serbia will have a multi-party
00:20:21parliamentary democracy or not. You know, if there are no parties
00:20:24in parliament, and the SNS is not a party but an organized criminal
00:20:28group with its satellites, and if there is some student list, whatever
00:20:31it may be, but that is not a party, that is no longer
00:20:34multi-party. In this society, this country, generations
00:20:38fought for Serbia to become a multi-party parliamentary democracy.
00:20:41Some ended up in prison for it, and that's why it's now incredibly, almost scandalous,
00:20:45that some who now, it seems to me,
00:20:48unworthily bear the banner of democratic parties are fighting
00:20:52against multi-partyism. You know, once upon a time, people who founded that party
00:20:56had serious problems, went to prison because they fought for
00:21:00Šešelj's right to say what he thinks, for everyone to say what they think, and
00:21:04for there to be multi-partyism in Serbia.
00:21:07Unanimity is not a referendum atmosphere. Yes, but I
00:21:11understand your criticism, but this question about participating in the elections
00:21:15didn't just come from outside, but also from within your
00:21:18party, for example, the Užice board that was disbanded. Then
00:21:22you have appeals from Leskovac and Kruševac, these are your
00:21:25people, I assume they are well-intentioned people. How did you
00:21:28take that? Did you talk to them? Yes, that is certainly
00:21:32well-intentioned and part of party democracy, but let me
00:21:35clarify, the Užice board was not dissolved.
00:21:38People there resigned because they believed that in this
00:21:42atmosphere in Užice, it was not acceptable to
00:21:46conduct a party campaign. That was their
00:21:49decision, they did not leave the party, nor were they expelled, nor did we
00:21:52dissolve the board. Uh, these boards that
00:21:56contacted us, or trusteeships, which are a lower housing organization, of course, that
00:22:00addressed us with a public letter, none
00:22:02of them were sanctioned either. These are people who did not leave the party, only
00:22:06the trustee from Vrnjačka Banja left. These people remained in the party.
00:22:10That's their way of choosing to address the party leadership,
00:22:13but you know, it still shows in some way how the party functions,
00:22:17that it's possible with us. Let me compare again. "You, too, as
00:22:21a house, are going through similar turbulences. You know, this
00:22:25conversation you had the other day with your news director about the
00:22:28situation in your house in front of the public was also extremely unusual.
00:22:31We had that conversation, it didn't hurt you for now. Few
00:22:35television stations could afford that kind of conversation. I think that's your
00:22:39strength. Well, there's a small difference, we won't go to the elections, and our
00:22:43decisions don't depend on whether
00:22:46we'll meet the threshold or not, and a lot
00:22:50depends on what will happen with this television station, just as
00:22:54a lot has depended so far. You know, I wish you good health because
00:22:57this is a symbol of media freedom, one of the few remaining ones, and
00:23:01we all care very much what will happen with this, just as we all care very much
00:23:05what will happen tomorrow in the Serbian parliament, whether it will be a multi-
00:23:09party parliamentary democracy or not. So what is your key argument, what
00:23:13is the plan to begin with, how is the collection
00:23:16of signatures going, when is the list being submitted? The collection
00:23:19of signatures is going as we projected. My prediction
00:23:23was that we would need seven days, but we will need slightly less. In this situation,
00:23:26it is quite expected that it will proceed at that pace. This is not a large
00:23:30coalition; this is a coalition that has two parties and one
00:23:33movement. Uh, we are, we need to finish this today, of course, we need to
00:23:37collect a few more due to the reserve. We saw what happened
00:23:40to some who stumbled on administrative
00:23:44issues. So we will submit it over the weekend.
00:23:47We are realistically already in a way in the campaign,
00:23:51as much as that is possible when the list has not yet been declared. So
00:23:54everything is going regularly. Part of that campaign is also what
00:23:58we are promoting, what we think is important, which also carries
00:24:01the name of our coalition, European Serbia. That is what we
00:24:05propose. As I said, I don't think these elections
00:24:08will be decided by whether we will be for Europe or not
00:24:12for Europe, but there is a part of Serbian citizens for whom that is an important issue and who
00:24:16will not go to the elections if it is not on offer. We told
00:24:20that main board in May that this is a large field and that everyone should
00:24:23plow their own patch of land. It
00:24:27had to be set up that way. You know, why, if the question of a
00:24:31referendum atmosphere arises, why it exists or doesn't exist, whether we are destroying it or
00:24:34not. The referendum atmosphere died at
00:24:37birth. We already gave it a year's memorial. So, from the moment
00:24:41you don't think it's a referendum atmosphere, well, unfortunately, not in
00:24:44the sense that we have one opposition political actor. That would be
00:24:48a referendum atmosphere, an attempt to create
00:24:51referendum, this is now agitation for a one-party system, which some people are doing,
00:24:55I was never for a one-party system, nor am I now, I am for us to
00:24:59get rid of this government, to preserve the multi-party system in
00:25:02Serbia, the referendum atmosphere could have been
00:25:05created last year when the student
00:25:08list decided that it was no longer enough, that is, when the students said, we can no longer
00:25:12wait for this kind of government to resolve our demands, that obviously
00:25:16won't happen, we have to enter politics and that was a big step,
00:25:20and important and good, but at the same time they said that they would not go with opposition
00:25:23parties, it followed that the new DSS said that it would not go with those who
00:25:27are for Serbia's entry into the European Union, from that moment we no longer have
00:25:31a referendum atmosphere in that formal way, so that we have
00:25:34one actor on the opposition scene, what remained
00:25:37was to create such a front that cumulatively
00:25:41gives us 50 plus one, or something less, and then when it is
00:25:44recalculated, it turns out that we will defeat this government, that we will get these
00:25:47results, those who advocate in the end that the student
00:25:51list, that it is a done deal, that a stone can be placed on a cabbage,
00:25:55that it is irresponsible, dishonest, fueling
00:25:58unrealistic expectations is harmful and I think that those people should
00:26:01look in the mirror on the 26th, we still have time to
00:26:05do a great job, but what is being done is irresponsible, but
00:26:08what is your operational campaign plan, here
00:26:11you have shown this, so you are somewhere between two
00:26:15actors, one is the state with all its
00:26:18resources, with machinery, with money like never
00:26:21before, and the other are students who are
00:26:24riding the wave of these obstructions, on the wave of that,
00:26:27they entered the campaign, submitted the list, today bicycles, so
00:26:31what is your operational campaign plan? Well, of course I won't
00:26:35present our operational campaign plan in the middle of the show, because I think, well, no, but
00:26:38it's completely absurd for me to tell you when we will go, I don't know, to Sombor, when we will go to
00:26:42Novi Sad, that, that, that is it, we will certainly not
00:26:45pay for expensive commercials on RTS,
00:26:48we don't have money for that, it's pointless, we will use every opportunity when
00:26:52we get the chance to appear on television, to
00:26:55be active on social media, travel around Serbia, so that
00:26:59people can see what we are presenting, because it's important to see
00:27:02what the political offer is, you know, that fueling some conflict
00:27:06between us and the student list, I haven't
00:27:09heard anyone from the student side who attacked
00:27:13the opposition, some people who are
00:27:16worn out mouthpieces of some parties that have failed or they have failed in those
00:27:20parties or gone through several metamorphoses, then they
00:27:23act as if in the name of students attacking the opposition, I haven't seen anyone
00:27:27from that student list which was finally published who said anything
00:27:30bad, just as nothing bad came from this side, I think what
00:27:34Professor Fric, if I remember the
00:27:37name correctly, said about how she sees the time after
00:27:40the elections, that's what we need, we should
00:27:43think that way, we have to finish this job side
00:27:46by side, what do you mean by this on Nova television, when she
00:27:50guested and then she said that after those elections we should talk
00:27:54about what kind of government we will form and how we will organize it,
00:27:57she said in front of the public, it can be any way, and what is your stance on
00:28:01that, it can be. I have no secrets as far as I'm concerned, what I'm
00:28:05telling you, I'm telling our presidency, I'm talking about it at home with
00:28:08my wife, I have no problem talking about it with
00:28:12professors or representatives of the student list tomorrow after
00:28:15the elections, yes, when you talk about no attacks, that
00:28:18no one is attacking anyone there, there is one
00:28:22and one piece of information, that is
00:28:24the research of the International Republican Institute which says that
00:28:2861% of those who support the student
00:28:31list want to join the European Union, there are many
00:28:35who are concerned that your participation will take
00:28:39votes from that electorate and not
00:28:42from SNS. Well, we don't
00:28:45take those votes home, you know,
00:28:48uh research also showed that we
00:28:52conducted it, we didn't make these decisions in affect or out of personal
00:28:55whim, this is risky for every party,
00:28:59first of all for the party president, because if it's a success, everyone's
00:29:02success is a failure, the president's failure, we based our decisions
00:29:06on research that showed us that
00:29:09we are passing as a coalition in this composition,
00:29:124.8%, that was the percentage at that moment, that's one
00:29:16thing, another thing is that there is a base of votes that
00:29:20will not be in the student basket if there is no
00:29:23alternative that is for the European Union, just like there are those who are
00:29:27on the right side, that people simply won't go to the polls, that's
00:29:30how it is, it's clearly seen from what is the factor for elections in Serbia, that's Aleksandar
00:29:34Vučić, and he calculated, if the SPS is on his list,
00:29:38that it brings him less, if he goes separately, it will bring more, that's
00:29:41what our research showed, which was also done for them, so we
00:29:45saw how it looks, so 4.8%, you say
00:29:48that you have SSP,
00:29:50solidarity, not at that moment, PSG was also
00:29:54there, that was a few weeks ago in the end, I mean, we announced our decisions
00:29:58even though we as a party made them earlier
00:30:02that... We had the opportunity at the presidency
00:30:06to analyze those results, of course we took that into account, but
00:30:10in the meantime, it happened that PSG left
00:30:13and it happened that this student campaign was launched
00:30:16which, it seems, changed the atmosphere. Do you
00:30:20think that PSG left and Solidarity and Ješić came?
00:30:24Well, do you think that the circumstances
00:30:28are such that voter turnout will be high,
00:30:31that high turnout for parties that are close to the census
00:30:35that it is a risk for you? Well, of course it is
00:30:38a risk, but you know,
00:30:41you have two ways to go through life, one is to hide
00:30:45under the eaves for every rain and wait for it to pass, and the other is to
00:30:49go and get where you started, I have always gone through life
00:30:52like this as I tell you, this is not just my decision,
00:30:55of course, uh, we can hide behind the fact that
00:30:59it's...
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