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00:00:00we didn't do transplants, nor do we do transplants today, nor
00:00:03some very complex interventions and
00:00:06after my first stay where I was very confident that
00:00:10I knew everything, I went a second time after three or four years where the
00:00:14first six months were very difficult for me, but fortunately they knew me so they
00:00:17somewhat, let's say, let me
00:00:20adapt, and the second, the second period was really, really, really
00:00:24as it should be, considering that today you are the head of
00:00:28the department of... cardiothoracic surgery, i.e.,
00:00:31cardiothoracic surgery at the Institute for Mother and Child, obviously
00:00:34and a professor at the faculty, it is obvious that these
00:00:38challenges have become part of your practice, part of
00:00:41something, where we, uh, I'm not going to
00:00:44ask you where we are with, but I assume that
00:00:47from the time you were a young resident until
00:00:50today, uh, you experienced the transformation of medicine and
00:00:54cardiac surgery, that today more can be done
00:00:57than before, of course. What does that mean to a doctor,
00:01:01a surgeon, when you know, when you see something that
00:01:05perhaps couldn't be done 20 years ago, today you know you have
00:01:08a solution? Pediatric cardiac surgery is
00:01:11very dependent on technology, meaning
00:01:15of course all, all branches of medicine are dependent,
00:01:18but cardiac surgery is very dependent on technology,
00:01:21of course, and money, or funds. The more
00:01:25money, the better the supply, the better
00:01:28the continuity. That's what, in the past 20,
00:01:3230 years, or discontinuity,
00:01:35set us back. Staff is not a problem at all, you know.
00:01:38I mean, people, people, our many doctors
00:01:41and medical staff wouldn't succeed in the West if
00:01:45they hadn't gotten a good foundation here, you know. And
00:01:48so this story that our university is bad or
00:01:52that something, I don't agree with that. Of course, as everywhere,
00:01:56there are people who know more or less, but the very fact
00:02:00that our people adapt so well abroad, that's a sign that something
00:02:04is still good here and they are highly valued and
00:02:07then now, uh, as for that
00:02:10pediatric cardiac surgery of ours, uh, we had, you know,
00:02:14we are constantly in a sinusoid, sometimes down, sometimes up, sometimes down,
00:02:17sometimes up. In the last, let's say, ten years,
00:02:21I have to say 15, that kind of supply and
00:02:25what, what we have, the hardware we work with, is
00:02:28more or less stable, mhm, that doesn't
00:02:31depend on us doctors, it depends on everything, now of course, there is
00:02:34something, some things that don't depend on us, you have a lot of
00:02:38factories, i.e., manufacturers who don't
00:02:41find it profitable to make children's pediatric programs, because
00:02:44the needs are small, there are much fewer children than adults in
00:02:48that sense, uh, some things change, but
00:02:52cardiac surgery requires a constant,
00:02:54constant supply, because for example,
00:02:57uh, when you have adults, you want
00:03:01to replace a valve, you have many adults whose
00:03:04valves are replaced and you have on hand, as they say, 20
00:03:08different valves, that's routine, with children it's rare
00:03:12and then, for example, we have only one or two
00:03:15valves available, so the pediatric population differs in that sense
00:03:18that it is much better now, yes,
00:03:22fortunately I have very good and intelligent and ambitious
00:03:26young associates who eventually decided to work with
00:03:29me. "Uh, I still have a little more work to do,
00:03:33they will nicely inherit all of that, they adapted
00:03:36well and I think there is no fear that they will continue
00:03:40that program. I have to ask you something very
00:03:42sensitive, uh, besides doing the most important,
00:03:46most sensitive job in the world,
00:03:49uh, surgery is one part of
00:03:53the story, parents are the other part of the story, you certainly
00:03:56have contact with parents on how, uh,"
00:04:00that part of the story I assume is very difficult for
00:04:04you, because you doctors have to do
00:04:07that, to talk to parents, to
00:04:10calm them down, to comfort them,
00:04:13uh, what does your day look like, is it
00:04:17one day around one patient? Uh,
00:04:20cardiac surgery,
00:04:23has another more complex component, we as
00:04:26cardiac surgeons do not do diagnostics,
00:04:29uh, that is done by... cardiologists who then present the patient to us, and generally
00:04:33patients, i.e., parents of patients, are much more often in contact with
00:04:36cardiologists who, of course, do their part of
00:04:40the story and uh, I believe that
00:04:43they, or rather I don't believe, I know they tell
00:04:46them everything they need to know, the parents, however, you know,
00:04:50when it comes to surgery, they usually see me, or the surgeon who operates on them,
00:04:54for the first time.
00:04:57And... I as
00:05:00a surgeon or my colleagues, when I say I speak, we now come
00:05:04into a first very delicate situation
00:05:08to explain to them what
00:05:10can happen, what is happening to their child. The fact that I will open his chest
00:05:14bone, that I will stop the child's heart, that I will
00:05:17do this and that, that the operation is such
00:05:21an unpleasant part to tell them that there are risks for every
00:05:25surgical procedure that exists, they do not occur in the vast majority
00:05:28of cases, that part when I tell
00:05:31the parents, you know, the greatest
00:05:35risk is that your child will not survive the operation, that
00:05:38is such a critical moment in every conversation I have with
00:05:41parents. "I remember very well, I was
00:05:45much younger than now, when I operated on a girl
00:05:49with a relatively, i.e., one of the simpler defects,
00:05:53then, of course, you know, when you're a little younger then you're more
00:05:56confident so you speak from a certain perspective,
00:06:00uh, I said, you know, to the gentleman, I told the father,
00:06:03the risk that something will happen is 1%, that the child will not
00:06:06survive is 1%, and he told me this, you know,
00:06:10Doctor, if my child does not survive, your 1% is
00:06:13100% to me. And then I got a little goosebumps and
00:06:17simply since then I have
00:06:20a great, great, great obligation to present this to parents
00:06:24in such a way that I convince them, or rather convince them, to tell them that
00:06:28for their child this is the right path, to cure them,
00:06:31on the other hand, to warn them that nothing
00:06:35is routine, so
00:06:38that relationship with parents is very delicate.
00:06:42Secondly, we allow parents to come and see the child after
00:06:45the operation. Unfortunately, it often happens
00:06:49that these children after multi-hour operations look
00:06:53completely different than when they entered the operating
00:06:56room, because they are swollen, because they are, uh, simply
00:07:00a different color, exhausted, and so on. Not
00:07:04infrequently, it happens that parents want to collapse next to them. I'm
00:07:08talking about dramatic things now, but if you prepare
00:07:11them well, then... it's a little easier. We have a custom of bringing
00:07:14parents into the intensive care unit to see other children first, not their own, because
00:07:18it's easier to get used to it. I have to ask you now, and I always
00:07:22wondered about this when it comes to such delicate professions, you
00:07:25hold a child's heart, a child's life literally in your
00:07:29hands, and things go as they go,
00:07:33is, uh, that 1% risk
00:07:36still there? How do you cope with
00:07:39absorbing other people's feelings, your
00:07:42own feelings, situations that are
00:07:45never completely certain, again
00:07:49with the success that is ultimately the crown
00:07:52of the work?
00:07:54Listen, that's training, so the very fact that you,
00:07:58as a young cardiac surgeon, or rather, surgeon,
00:08:02immediately take on the responsibility of very large
00:08:05operations, for that reason cardiac surgery is delicate, but with
00:08:08the specialist exam you actually just start from the beginning.
00:08:13"You don't immediately go into the most difficult interventions, but simply go
00:08:16step by step, step by step, of course, you can never
00:08:20get used to failures, to bad outcomes,
00:08:23even though you are convinced within yourself that you absolutely
00:08:27couldn't have done anything more, that
00:08:30moment when you announce a bad outcome is something
00:08:33that
00:08:36how can I say, you can't, you simply can't. On the
00:08:40other hand, there are other things where it says: the situation is
00:08:43critical, where you can't, where you can't say left, nor
00:08:47right, nor up, nor down, that simply the postoperative
00:08:50course is complicated and then parents literally expect
00:08:54you to say something better every time they visit, but you can't, so
00:08:58there are different nuances to that, it's simply a
00:09:01part that you practice,
00:09:04uh, once you know, that's that level
00:09:08of excellence that has to be said, that you simply overcome
00:09:11within yourself. "all personal,
00:09:15personal, how should I say, personal feelings, you have to be
00:09:18a professional, because tomorrow you have another operation, the day after tomorrow
00:09:22a third, and you simply have to function, do
00:09:25you have some figuratively speaking place where those
00:09:29difficult feelings are poured out so that you can enter the operating room
00:09:32with full strength again, somewhere where
00:09:36you can give vent to what
00:09:39is certainly not easy, especially with age."
00:09:44"There are different moments, there are those moments that don't exist, you know, you can't
00:09:48always control yourself, but as I say, it's a training again, I personally like to
00:09:52go swimming where no one can disturb me in that
00:09:55pool, that is, I have to isolate myself, although it happens that
00:09:59I come out and see that they called me, well
00:10:02since it's a women's show, I have to tell you that often,
00:10:05maybe it's not popular, but I often find myself doing some housework when I come
00:10:09home, I just take this... mechanically
00:10:13to do something, not to be, not to sit and stare at the ceiling, but
00:10:17simply iron, scrub and so on, well, the professor
00:10:20of the university doesn't get
00:10:22anywhere, I'm glad. "Simply, I simply
00:10:26do something mechanically to
00:10:29overcome it, I can't read or watch to
00:10:32concentrate on something, on a movie, what can I
00:10:36tell you, there are different ones, each of us is
00:10:39different, so we overcome it in some way,
00:10:42now let's go back, I mean, on the one hand, it's wonderful
00:10:46that you exist, on the other hand, it's best for people to
00:10:50meet you like we did, to go
00:10:53somewhere and have coffee." to get to know each other and have a nice chat so that you
00:10:57don't encounter misfortune at your workplace, because whoever comes to that
00:11:01point is not having an easy time of it, trust me.
00:11:04We separate ourselves in a way over time
00:11:07from the emotions of parents, we have to
00:11:11, you know, just like not every lawyer can be emotionally invested in the tragic
00:11:15fate of their clients, so we have to
00:11:18function with a level, how
00:11:22can I say, and a small level of intimacy with the parent. On the other hand, as
00:11:25professionals, we simply always put ourselves in a situation where we are
00:11:29ready for that surgical procedure, but when you step back
00:11:33a little and meet those parents after
00:11:36a series of years or outside the hospital, then they tell you
00:11:40details that they remember, what everyone said in the rounds and so
00:11:44on, only then do you actually return to that reality of how
00:11:47difficult their stay in the hospital was and we return
00:11:50to the award, for what reason and how were you
00:11:54awarded so that I can tell these people
00:11:57that we have the pleasure and honor to be
00:12:00with a professor who wears
00:12:04the British Crown decoration, I mean, isn't that something? Uh,
00:12:07I must admit that it was a big surprise for me. Because of
00:12:11my contacts with
00:12:13Britain, and the contacts were such that at that
00:12:17time, and later, I managed to maintain relations with all
00:12:21colleagues there, with my mentors, that I have
00:12:25mentored, in some way, over 20 people. Not sponsored, mentored them to go
00:12:29there for a shorter or longer period,
00:12:31uh, it wasn't just cardiac surgery, I also sent
00:12:35some others through those acquaintances,
00:12:39uh, the first time
00:12:41in 2007, when we celebrated 25 years
00:12:45of our department, I tried, I had the
00:12:48idea to bring those top people from whom I learned to
00:12:51Belgrade, which is not easy, you know, they have their schedules and... how
00:12:55busy they are and so on. Then I organized
00:12:59everything for six months, and Professor
00:13:02Delevall Chang, a cardiologist and cardiac surgeon, I made
00:13:06a workshop and then they came to see what we applied from all
00:13:10that we learned and fortunately
00:13:12then it opened up a bit so Professor Eliot was also a guest
00:13:16lecturer at the faculty, and then relatively recently
00:13:20another colleague came who deals with tracheal surgery, mostly I established
00:13:24that two-way, two-way
00:13:27connection, which was somehow seen and lasts
00:13:31a long time, I must admit that it was in May
00:13:34when they called me to the British Embassy, after a reception,
00:13:38I didn't know why they were calling me again, I said I was there two or three days ago, why are they calling
00:13:42me again, when Mr. Ferguson, His
00:13:45Excellency, told me that he was offering
00:13:49me, do I agree to receive
00:13:52the British medal, I just... I didn't fall off my chair, you know,
00:13:56we were sitting in that
00:13:57residence,
00:14:01honestly, I don't know what
00:14:04I'll do, what I'll do, I have to say, I have to say,
00:14:08yes, uh, he is actually a very kind
00:14:11and helpful and nice man who presented it all
00:14:15like, you know, ha ha, then I delved
00:14:19into this story to see who got what, and I
00:14:22saw that a very small number of people got it and almost no one from medicine,
00:14:26and what can I tell you, well, I had to keep quiet for quite
00:14:29a long time until it was official, until I accepted it and it went to Britain
00:14:33and they recognized it, the best part is yet to come, the awarding
00:14:37of that medal, that will be at the end of the year, well,
00:14:41I don't think so, I don't think so, that's for British
00:14:44citizens, that's not for us, but I mean, how can I
00:14:47tell you, uh, this, I don't know if
00:14:50you get a title with it, but for us, unfortunately no, I would
00:14:54like to... but for us you are, for us you are already
00:14:58that, that's for British, that's for British citizens, the English
00:15:02as they are, you have there in that agreement, if
00:15:06you become a British citizen in the meantime that can be, but
00:15:10I think this is quite enough, more than enough, thank you very
00:15:13much, uh, for coming to us to
00:15:17talk, uh, about something, people don't like to
00:15:20talk about this because when we hear pediatric cardiac surgery,
00:15:24we move... we say: "ugh, God forbid", but actually it's very
00:15:28important that you exist, it's very important that you are so good
00:15:31and it's very important that you have young associates for whom you are
00:15:35sure that there will be someone to treat
00:15:38children in the future and follow global trends. And
00:15:42just a word about those challenges you mentioned,
00:15:46challenges were often here when people joined
00:15:49our team, stayed for a while, got trained a bit, then left, and
00:15:53you have a situation where your entire department can collapse
00:15:56due to one person, just when you train and organize
00:16:00them, so it's not just the doctor-patient relationship. For example, I have to
00:16:04tell you that the people who manage extracorporeal circulation
00:16:07are called perfusionists, very important, and now you educate one perfusionist
00:16:11who are otherwise in demand on the market, and if he just announces he's leaving, your whole
00:16:15department can work, everyone, but there's no perfusionist. I have
00:16:19truly been lucky and somehow I believe that this medal
00:16:22is a medal for all of us, that someone new always came, you know,
00:16:26someone always accepted my
00:16:30way of working and I think that
00:16:32now a team has been well formed over the last few
00:16:36years and there's no fear for those children that they
00:16:40will be able to work even without me when I stop
00:16:42working. It's a big thing, it's a big
00:16:46thing to know that there is and when something happens
00:16:49that I am most proud of, and if that medal is the culmination of something, then
00:16:53it is the culmination of my associates, all of them who work, thank you
00:16:57professor, uh, I don't know what to
00:17:00say to you, when you are at the ceremony, give us a call
00:17:04to simply share how it went. You'll never, thank
00:17:08God, find yourself in the gossip columns, unfortunately
00:17:11there won't be enough talk about how important that
00:17:14award is and how important the recognition is. Here, we always
00:17:18have, uh, a welcome and space to tell
00:17:22the world that we have real experts and someone whom
00:17:26the world recognizes as top-notch, it's not
00:17:29insignificant and it's not unimportant, thank you, thank you very much, I say, I'm
00:17:33watching, I don't always watch your show, but sometimes, sometimes
00:17:36I watch and... and I know that your shows are, well, they are
00:17:39legendary, look Ivana, when I was trying to, when arranging to
00:17:43explain to the professor, you know, we, she says, well
00:17:45I'm watching, it's enough for me, our hearts
00:17:49are full, our hearts are full, thank you for the
00:17:52invitation, I hope I will see you at that
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