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00:00:21Hello and welcome, you're watching Pakistan TV, I
00:00:23am Ahmed Shah and these are the
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00:00:38of Deputy prime minister and foreign
00:00:41minister depart Islamabad for New York where he will accompany Prime Minister
00:00:45Sharif from the 21st to the 25th of September for the high level
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00:01:00Iran sets conditions for reviving negotiations with the United States including an
00:01:04end to the war, release of frozen funds and an end to the naval
00:01:07blockade.
00:01:15of of CIA Director John Radcliff meets Egyptian President Abd Fatih
00:01:19of CC in Cairo to discuss regional conflicts and maritime
00:01:22security.
00:01:31Saudi Arabia says it has intercepted and destroyed a ballistic missile
00:01:35launched by huti militia towards Riyadh while thouting other
00:01:39attacks targeting
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00:01:49Qatar, Jordan and Bahrain condemn Houti
00:01:51in Militia missile attack targeting Riyadh the capital of Saudi Arabia as
00:01:55well as reported attempts to target civilian areas
00:01:58of and facilities in the cities of Bish.
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00:02:07Russian strike on Keyev region kills four including three
00:02:11children. Ukraine launches mass drone attack on
00:02:14Russia.
00:02:20Security forces killed five terrorists belonging to Fitnal Hindustan and
00:02:24recover 23 abducties during an operation near Kalat in
00:02:28Balochistan. Large quantity of. weapons, ammunition and
00:02:31explosives also recovered from the killed
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00:02:50of well that is all for the our for more news, keep watching Pakistan
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00:03:22From the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia from the turbulent middle
00:03:26east and North Africa to the power corridors
00:03:28of the west. I
00:03:29a think "the proxy
00:03:31of situation
00:03:32of is very problematic uh
00:03:35for the US, for Israel, for
00:03:39Iran, the Gulf states, for the
00:03:42world at large, this conflict could
00:03:45a expand, that's what Pakistan and Khather are trying to
00:03:49prevent. Israel wants the land of Palestine
00:03:53without the Palestinian people, and that is why
00:03:56of we see the situation in Gaza.
00:04:00being uh getting getting worse, field mar and
00:04:04Oman have have kept the channel
00:04:05a open when nothing else was working and that matters, and of course the cease fire came
00:04:09through Islamabad. Gender persecution is already a crime
00:04:13against humanity under the Rome statute, and the
00:04:17international criminal court has issued arrest
00:04:19of warrants for the two top taliban
00:04:22leaders: and Shekha Khani who is the
00:04:26chief justice. I suspect that the Canadians are... going
00:04:30to pressure on areas that will cause lot of
00:04:33discomfort to the Americans as they're coming into the midterm
00:04:37elections in November.
00:04:39of Iran's
00:04:40a declaration that it does not intend to produce a nuclear
00:04:43weapon is politically relevant, but declarations
00:04:47alone cannot resolve the security dilemma. Iran has always
00:04:51said it's prepared to continue the conflict, but it's clear that this preferences for
00:04:55this war to end, the US and the Trump administration I think is the same, so there
00:04:59is... alignment, but obviously the problem has been, how we get
00:05:03there.
00:05:19you about about the Pakistani
00:05:23role, pakistan, thank you, how have the Iranian leadership
00:05:26rule been so by, i think they
00:05:30mean
00:05:32the reason leadership
00:05:34and i have
00:05:37no second thought about the fact that
00:05:41the man of...
00:05:42Beasts.
00:06:57There is no longer any blind approval for Israeli
00:07:00policy, because the Americans have paid, American soldiers have died,
00:07:04hundreds have been injured and hurts,
00:07:06for what,
00:07:07for nothing. The military conflict
00:07:11came to draw. "nobody want, neither side really
00:07:15wants to re-engage militarily, so it has
00:07:18evolved into economic
00:07:22conflict. as society, we do stand a chance when it comes to platform
00:07:25accountability and specifically protecting our children all right. the innocent
00:07:29people of Afghanistan are the biggest victim of this
00:07:32application. they do not exist, let's be very frank, they do not
00:07:36exist in their mind, they do not exist in their
00:07:39policies.
00:07:49From the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia from the turbulent
00:07:52middle east and North
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00:08:01I happened to be shahazad Istan Khan and with me I'm really lucky I've been joined by my
00:08:04wonderful colleague happens to be Isha Rehan. There are couple of stories
00:08:08that I brought and then there are couple of stories which I sha brought we have.
00:08:13done um some research projects since the 80, then
00:08:17in 2010, 2012
00:08:20onward to a big Pakistan that
00:08:24program, the the plants were here, we are familiar with the word
00:08:28kahu, the ko word was used for the olives which were
00:08:32not fruiting, a partner like UNICEF is so
00:08:35crucial to us, because they have tremendous
00:08:39programs, tremendous understanding of how to make difference.
00:08:43in these particular areas with newborns and maternity
00:08:47care, i've
00:08:57like daughter and sister straight off the b. when we speak about healthy
00:09:01eating and keeping up with your health, what is your thought on
00:09:04that? i just eat healthy, i don't like fissy drinks or like
00:09:08stuff like that.
00:09:40Good evening, you're watching views at seven with man.
00:09:43from the skies
00:09:43over the Saudi Arabia to artificial intelligence
00:09:46to gender based violence in South Africa, three different realities are
00:09:50unfolding in different parts the world, but raising simple question that
00:09:54are we going with the main governance issue, are we
00:09:58working with that, are we allying with that or are we going with
00:10:02that speed as or neighboring countries are doing that? wel
00:10:05discuss about that, wel discuss about the security situation in the middle
00:10:09eastern conflict that is unfolding. day by day as
00:10:13heies targeted
00:10:16riyadh and the conflict of middle east started from Iran to the
00:10:20middle eastern countries where American facilities the military facilities
00:10:24were in stock called the conflict unfolded day by
00:10:28days since months, we have been covering that from ideological warfare to
00:10:32military warfare economic warfare economic sanctions and then Lebanon
00:10:36to Yemen to Saudi Arabia, the conflict is
00:10:39actually becoming so complex, wel try to unfold different aspect of this conflict
00:10:43and then we'll discuss about another issue that is considered
00:10:47as I must say that it is considered as
00:10:50something that is complementing our daily routine, it is considered as something that is
00:10:54target. or man force,
00:10:56it is something that is one way or other considering as source of income, the
00:11:00artificial intelligence, but are we going with the same speed
00:11:04as or artificial intelligence is working or unfolding day by day or not? wel
00:11:08discuss about that, and then another crisis, since decades, since
00:11:12centuries, this crisis is there in the world, and we
00:11:16are unfolding, we are discussing, we are waiting people, we are
00:11:19spreading awareness, we are discussing the reasons behind that, that
00:11:23is the gender based. violence: once again, gender based
00:11:27violence in South Africa has raised lot of question, in one
00:11:31way we are moving forward towards the artificial intelligence towards the emerging
00:11:34technologies, latest technologies, but on the other hand, the main issues, the bone of
00:11:38contentions remain same, that is the gender based violence, the violence which we have
00:11:42been witnessing since long, since decades, since
00:11:46centuries, we'll discuss about that, but we'll start with the middle eastern
00:11:50crisis as Riyad faced its first director
00:11:53arial threat since the... latest relations with Yaman hoti is begin in July,
00:11:57so these defense authorities issued already, they have
00:12:01issued the alert warning the residence of potential areal danger in
00:12:05riyadh explosions have heard across the city and we
00:12:09have seen that it was a large bloom of smoke was
00:12:12reported there, the king Khalid international airport where fire fighters
00:12:16responded to the blaze involving a fuel tank at the nearby
00:12:20Ramco facilities, the hoties claimed at this time that they
00:12:24targeted this sensitive site in Riyadh and Anaramko
00:12:28facility in Yambu while the Saudi Lad coalition said it
00:12:31intercepted the missil headed towards the capital and thaward the attacks
00:12:35on other locations as well. The incident, this incident, this
00:12:39latest development in the middle eastern crisis comes at the conflict
00:12:42is expanding beyond Yemen's border. With the tags affecting
00:12:46the sodi cities, energy infrastructure there, the red ship, red
00:12:50sea shipping roots there, the sea lanes there, the UN security
00:12:54council. has condemned the hotis attack
00:12:57in Saudi Arabia and called for an end of military
00:13:01escalation. to discuss about that
00:13:03we are joined by pool of panelist to discuss the reasons behind that what
00:13:07needs to be done because this conflict is unfolding expending day by day
00:13:11including new actors, new stakeholders, new effectters. to discuss
00:13:15about that. we are joined by Mr. inart dension, he is a senior
00:13:18fellow at center for international governance innovation and he is a
00:13:22chairman of Asia narratives, he has joined us from Beijing and then we are
00:13:26having the founder of narrative shapers from Raad
00:13:29Mr. Alex swallow, welcome you both in program views at 7, I'll start with
00:13:33you. What do you think does the reported targeting of Raad in the
00:13:37Saudi energy infrastructure indicate that the Yemen
00:13:41conflict is entering a fundamentally new
00:13:44phase? They have
00:13:47sent bistic miss before, but this is getting very close to
00:13:51Riad, obviously this represents escalation. they're
00:13:55in bolden, I believe, because the successes of Iran who is
00:13:59now insisting that they will set the terms for sease
00:14:02fire. So this is not going in the right direction,
00:14:06peace is not attainable when you have extremists
00:14:10who are intent topling governments
00:14:13and neighboring
00:14:14governments. Well taken, well
00:14:18taken, moving forward towards you, Alex, what do you think that
00:14:22how significant or alarming? or threatening this condition
00:14:26is that the reported attack near the king Khalid international airport for the
00:14:30Saudi Arabia's air defense preparedness and especially the protection of
00:14:34its critical infrastructure. so the
00:14:38the conflict between the kingdom and the hoothies has been there for over
00:14:42decade now, the essentially the
00:14:46engagement broke out 2015,
00:14:482016, there was a period
00:14:51of um arial warfare '
00:14:55by
00:14:55the the kingdom targeting the hoothis in northern Yemen, plus
00:14:59as well there were there were conflicts on the ground between the hoothis
00:15:03and the the Yemeni government and also other forces in
00:15:07the south of Yemen, there have been hoothi attacks on Saudi cities
00:15:11before, jedda and also Riyad in 2020,
00:15:15but the difference is uh this time previously they
00:15:19used drones, this time they are claiming to have used ballistic missiles, so
00:15:23from the perspective of technology, it is a shift up because
00:15:27it is much harder to defend against ballistic missiles than it
00:15:30is against drones coming in, they're much slower, they
00:15:34normally have smaller warheads as well. "the question is
00:15:38going to be what happens next, um, how do we
00:15:41de-escalate, how do we get the the hutis to
00:15:45essentially stand down, but also as well, one thing which we haven't looked
00:15:49at yet, is what is going to happen in terms of babil mandib with the hoothis
00:15:53having taken mod mocha and the surrounding area, which basically
00:15:57means that they can target any shipping which traverses the
00:16:01red sea and either up to sewers or down from the
00:16:04sewers. all right, so the whole..."
00:16:07says that they as a retaliation for sodi actions in yemen,
00:16:11so can continued military escalation would create a cycle of
00:16:15this such kind of attacks and then justification of such kind of attacks
00:16:19and then one way or other directly or indirectly attacking each
00:16:23other because it has started directly and after that they
00:16:26they they just give reason behind that that
00:16:29it is in retaliation to this thing,
00:16:31so would it create a cycle or or a circle in which all other
00:16:35countries, the neighboring countries? who are not even um
00:16:39interested to be directly involved, will be directly
00:16:41involved, given the import
00:16:45of shipping from the red sea, um, straight of homeos is
00:16:49closed, most the saudi oil was being pumped from the east the
00:16:53country to yambu in the west and was then exting
00:16:56from b, it is vital for the the global
00:16:59economy that that stays open for the
00:17:02oil to keep flowing, especially to to Asia,
00:17:06um, we have seen other countries step in, obviously the kingdom
00:17:10signed an agreement with Pakistan and Turkey, the the Mecca
00:17:13accords uh recently, so there is also a
00:17:17connection here with other countries as well, and we've even seen the
00:17:20UN come in and condemn it and basically say there needs to be descalation, so the
00:17:24question is what happens next, what are we going to see from both parties
00:17:28and how we going to be able to step this down um so that it doesn't
00:17:31escalate, doesn't go - doesn't go beyond what is what has already
00:17:35happened, you know we've seen a couple of days ago as well, a drone which was shot down just
00:17:39outside of Mecca, so this is a conflict which needs to be
00:17:43deescalated and very quickly. all right, all
00:17:46right, well taken. so what do you think in our with the hoti's targeting, the Saudi
00:17:50cities, energy facilities, red sea shipping, how serious is this emerging
00:17:54threat to the regional and the global energy security, to the
00:17:57global sea lanes, it has started from state of Amos to the
00:18:01other states and now they are controlling the
00:18:04sealains as well, the choke points as well so... do you think about that? is it
00:18:08creating another aspect of warfare or another direction of
00:18:12warfare in the middle eastern countries? i think
00:18:16it's another direction. i think this this is directly an expansion
00:18:20the attack by the US that led to the Iranian
00:18:23situation. obviously the hoothis are
00:18:27very very well connected to him though iran says they do
00:18:31not uh supply them weapons. that is, but
00:18:34lied by the fact that they if you look at the weapons. use they have
00:18:38Iranian parts, so they're either allowing them
00:18:41or they're not being very careful either, marks the same thing given that it's
00:18:45Iran, I doubt that they are just exporting
00:18:49ammunition and
00:18:51weapons randomly,
00:18:55so this is not going to end unless
00:18:59Iran pulls back, and what's going
00:19:01to be necessary for that is Donald Trump to climb down from his
00:19:05demands that... "the Iranians give up all their
00:19:09nuclear materials, also the ballistic missiles, this is
00:19:13a non-starter, so we're in for a long ride,
00:19:17obviously if Iran does make some sort of
00:19:21peace, then they could rain in the
00:19:24hoothies who without their support, I doubt could continue this
00:19:28war, remain disrupted, so
00:19:32could the increased pressure on red sea route create additional vulnerability
00:19:36to the gulf?" " export as
00:19:38well, not so much the general golf
00:19:42oil, remember it's mainly the
00:19:45the Saudies who are able to have this
00:19:49pipeline and generally pumps about five million barrels a
00:19:53day, it can get up to seven million barrels a day, represents about
00:19:567% the world's oil
00:20:00use during a one
00:20:01day period uh, this does not cut them off if in
00:20:05fact their terminal there, is is is able to
00:20:09operate and be repaired obviously was damaged uh they can
00:20:13go out through the suez canal but the suez has
00:20:16sues max that's about million barrels uh per
00:20:20ship uh the others were the VLC's very large
00:20:23carriers they could carry two million and obviously they're not going to go
00:20:27through uh the areas controlled by the hoothies what is
00:20:31surprising here and I'm surprised you haven't mentioned
00:20:33it is that the United States appears to have made deal with
00:20:38the idea that you do not make deals with terrorists, guess is
00:20:42off the table, fact that the saudis have asked the united
00:20:46states to weigh in because that was the pact. was
00:20:50the basis of the oil petro
00:20:53dollar that Saudi Arabia would continue to
00:20:57buy weapons from the US and also use the dollar in exchange for
00:21:01protection. Obviously that protection is not forthcoming. It's
00:21:05understandable, Trump does not want to draw himself into an expanded
00:21:09war, although he started it, he may be concerned about
00:21:13the amount of munitions he has. This is going to have a
00:21:17global effect in terms of country. is deciding whether or
00:21:21not the United States is in fact reliable
00:21:23ally. well taken, well taken. so moving forward
00:21:27towards you Alex, what do you think, what does the first reported uh
00:21:31you know we have seen that direct threat to Riyadh
00:21:35since the latest Hothi's attack there? tell us about the
00:21:39geographical expansion as NR has mentioned
00:21:43that
00:21:43it is not the direction, it is the expansion of this war. this expansion tell
00:21:47us about the conflict, what is what is? "the reason behind
00:21:51that this conflict is moving towards another, I must see a direction or
00:21:54expansion which was not
00:21:57you know discussed before or it was not analysed
00:22:00before, well the conflict has
00:22:04been a longstanding one in Yemen, ever since
00:22:08the death the former president Ali Abdullah Salih who held the country
00:22:12together after the Arab spring, now the
00:22:15Huties of play their cards very well, um, they decided one"
00:22:20wanted to enter and how they wanted to engage. um,
00:22:23there are a lot of questions asked at the beginning as to when they
00:22:26would um take part in the
00:22:29war. um, they have chosen their
00:22:32timing, i think for maximum effect, and essentially
00:22:36what they want to see is, i think, unlike,
00:22:40with a way similar to around, they they want to find a deal
00:22:44which which gives them the most benefit um in terms
00:22:48their situation. in terms of legitimacy, in
00:22:51terms the expansion as well, which we've seen, um, towards Bab
00:22:55Mandib, so for them, it's essentially what can
00:22:58they get out of all the different parties um, to make
00:23:02them go back to the cease fire which was there in 2022,
00:23:06um, it's simple as that for the Hutis, I think you know, we
00:23:10we often play up the link between the Huthis and Iran, but I
00:23:14think you in terms of real politic, it's all about how they can
00:23:18benefit directly. so Alex, the UN security council has
00:23:21condemned the attack on the civilians and energy infrastructure there, what
00:23:25practical diplomatic mechanism can now prevent the further
00:23:29escalation, condamination is enough, what do you
00:23:32think? practically
00:23:35speaking, we we see lot of lot
00:23:38of edicts coming out the UN security council,
00:23:42lot of resolutions, but on the ground we've got to look at the actors who have the most
00:23:46influence from the hoothi side uh that is clearly
00:23:50they can influence to an extent, they have
00:23:54advisors, they supply them with with weapons as
00:23:57well, um, in terms of other players in the
00:24:01region, we have obviously the kingdom's agreement with
00:24:05with Pakistan and Turkey, how will that come into play, we don't know,
00:24:08Turkey does have military bases in the vicinity,
00:24:12but then also you've got other players on the global stage such as
00:24:16China are very keen to see the oil. supply
00:24:20stabilized towards Asia, so you there are different
00:24:24players, they're all effectively, trying to push in the one
00:24:27direction, and it is going to come down to what is
00:24:31going to be agreed between
00:24:32the different parties to to try and end this cycle of
00:24:35violence, the different powers including us have
00:24:38have tried, essentially waging
00:24:42war against the huties through areal campaigns, given the geography of
00:24:46northern Yemen, mountainous, it it's a... very very
00:24:50difficult to dislodge them, that's been tried for for years a
00:24:53time, i think there will be realization that we need to
00:24:57again do deal and ensure that we go back to a cease
00:25:00fire where the effective the oil can flow
00:25:03again, well taken well taken, so thank you so
00:25:07much alex for joining in views at seven interviews with us, we were joined by mr
00:25:11alex molf, he is the founder of narrative chambers and he has joined us from
00:25:15rad, we were discussing and unfolding different aspects of this middle
00:25:19eastern conf' so moving forward towards you in our uh what do you
00:25:23think when it comes to attacks or when it comes to protection so the
00:25:27are has already signed deals with the regional
00:25:30countries for its protection, but how can saudi arabia
00:25:33strengthen its air defense capacity while avoiding
00:25:37voiding to step in directly into conflict across the region and what
00:25:40role can the regional states, particularly pakistan, turkey, plane
00:25:44preventing the conflict in developing into a wider regional
00:25:48confrontation, what needs to be done in this regard by the mediators and what needs to be done in
00:25:52this regard by Saudi Arabia to protect itself, to do a preventive
00:25:55mayor, to secure its air defense
00:25:59mechanism. I'll go back to my... this
00:26:02answer, you're looking at the wrong end the horse, until
00:26:06Iran the Iranian situation is solved, there's really no
00:26:10help hope of pulling the hoothis off, they are
00:26:14now in boldened, they are holding the world hostage,
00:26:18they have an extreme ideology, and they're insisting, they're
00:26:22not going to insist on just a little bit, they're going to be insisting on
00:26:26more than just the seasfire, I have to disagree with my colleague on
00:26:29that, they are bound in term. to spread their
00:26:33ideology, which they believe is the only one, it's an expansive
00:26:37one, they believe that this is the only ideology for all
00:26:40the arabs in the middle east, they're not, not arabs,
00:26:44mean that is the only religion for all
00:26:48muslims, so it's going to be very, very hard to reign them even
00:26:52once the situation with Iran is
00:26:55solved, assuming that can be done in
00:26:59the next two and a half years, it's not clear. having
00:27:03tasted this kind of victory and seen
00:27:07the successes of what they've done,
00:27:09that they will be easily brought back.
00:27:13okay, okay, well taken, well taken, stay with us, in our moving forward
00:27:17towards another expert to talk about this issue, we are joined by Mr. Kara
00:27:21Hussen who is a non-resident fellow at middle east and North
00:27:25Africa program, the Stimson center, he has joined us from Brussels,
00:27:29Mr. Cavasan, welcome to program use at7, considering
00:27:31the current situation. to avoid the expansion of this middle eastern
00:27:35conflict, what do you think that what role the mediators could play,
00:27:39especially the mediators like Pakistan, mediators like Turkey who
00:27:43are not directly involved in it, but trying their heart to resolve the issue
00:27:47when it initiated in middle east between US and Iran, but
00:27:51what needs to be done in this regard, because it's not about
00:27:54the two countries who are involved, it is the multiple countries, it expanded to the
00:27:58Middle Eastern countries where US military installations were
00:28:02uh and then we have seen that how Lebanon
00:28:06or Yemen or Saudi Arabia is dragged into
00:28:09this conflict, it means that all the you
00:28:13know borders or all the sea lanes are just one
00:28:17way or other in in this conflict, what needs to be done in this regard by
00:28:21the
00:28:21mediators?
00:28:40meanwhile, i'll i'll toss this question to enar tan, what do
00:28:43you think anar? as i have already asked you about the role of mediators, but what needs to
00:28:47be done or what is the responsibility the regional countries who are
00:28:50not directly involved yet in this
00:28:53conflict, because it is not about the conflict the countries
00:28:57the middle eastern countries, but it is about the governance of sea lanes
00:29:01and more and more sea lanes are being involved in it, what do you think, what
00:29:05needs to be done in this regard when it comes to the international community, when it comes to the
00:29:09international law, when it comes to the international courts to jump in to
00:29:13discuss about the governance of sea lanes, because it cannot be controlled by one
00:29:17party or one non-state actor or why two or three parties, what needs
00:29:21to be done? you keep asking what needs
00:29:25to be done, but the question is is there anything that can be done?
00:29:28remember the sudis did not attack around the...
00:29:32actually had negotiated a somewhat tenuous peace or at least a
00:29:36stansal agreement that was pushed along by
00:29:40China.
00:29:41the hoothis attacking the saudis and making them the center of this when it's the United
00:29:45States that started the action in Iran is an
00:29:49expansion. so talking about this in terms
00:29:52of until you talk about this in terms of how you end the
00:29:56Iranian thought you can't do anything in terms the
00:29:59negotiate negotiations or mediat. whatever you want to call
00:30:03them, the fact is there was something called the mecca courts,
00:30:07which you referenced, that said, attack on one country is
00:30:11attack on three countries, and right now what we hear
00:30:15is that there are some noises coming from Turkey saying
00:30:18that, we as you point out they have bases there, maybe they
00:30:22will take some action. pakistan is retreated back to this idea that
00:30:26it will be mediator, and you're expressing that very
00:30:29clearly, but that is at odds. the mecca
00:30:33accords, so right now
00:30:36it is not, i agree, it does not make sense for pakistan
00:30:39or anybody else, turkey etc. to
00:30:43wait in militarily, all you do is have lot of body
00:30:46bags, but collectively with the other
00:30:49countries around there, there could be imposed some
00:30:53sort of embargo where you basically cut
00:30:56off their supplies.