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00:00:01we have to keep in mind certain structural
00:00:03issues, um, there may be
00:00:06significant agreements announced on the
00:00:08in margins
00:00:09of the UN general assembly meeting,
00:00:13there may not be, there may be very important discussions that take
00:00:17place that initiate processes that only result in
00:00:21significant announcements
00:00:22in of progress, weeks or months later, so we won't see them
00:00:26of this week, at the same time, there are going to be "there are
00:00:30negative headlines that have already been pre-written in newsrooms around the
00:00:34world, there are going to be stories about about President
00:00:37She
00:00:38of choosing to skip this event, although he's just
00:00:42200 miles down the road in in Washington and
00:00:46could very easily attend and and give address. um, there are
00:00:50certainly going to be stories about President
00:00:53Trump's presentation, whatever that may be, but I'm guessing
00:00:57that that is not going to be good news for the..." UN um,
00:01:01but at the same time, to the extent that there's there's positive
00:01:05progress,
00:01:05in we may not see it immediately this week. On
00:01:09AI, um, I'm very
00:01:11skeptical that significant progress can be reached in
00:01:15light
00:01:16of of the the very extreme and erratic public
00:01:20of position that's been taken over the past week by the president
00:01:24of the United States opposing virtually any
00:01:27sort of guard rails on the text. analogy,
00:01:31but again, I'm I'm prepared to be positively
00:01:34surprised,
00:01:38in but let me go to Stephanie and I'll come back to you. Stephanie, with the
00:01:41UN facing questions, do you think that there is
00:01:44space for other bodies, for
00:01:47example,
00:01:49you know,
00:01:49or or you know space for for perhaps something to
00:01:53replace, a
00:01:56you more know, effective,
00:01:57or let become me, let me phrase it that way, a more effective sort
00:02:00of body because we are looking at you know so many issues
00:02:04at this time, so many conflicts at this time, and
00:02:07you know where of course we are looking at students of law, questioning
00:02:11might is right, questioning whether there's any real role for international
00:02:15a law or these kind of systems, if I can say
00:02:19that, do you think that there is space for something
00:02:23else, perhaps to to
00:02:26a to of you, body that can become more effective, have better...
00:02:30schools
00:02:30a have better systems, do you think that what are your thoughts on
00:02:34that? i think it's a very important
00:02:37question,
00:02:38in because it is tendency that we're already seeing, so
00:02:42we are seeing countries prioritizing like
00:02:46minded venues that might have
00:02:49of a smaller membership, but that might be easier to
00:02:53navigate for them when
00:02:55a it come to multilateralism. the problem with that is
00:02:58that the united nation is the only venue that
00:03:02really has this convening powers of 193
00:03:06countries, so as much as the United Nations has its flaws
00:03:10and it we are seeing that there is lot that it's
00:03:14unable to do a lot of crisis, and we've even seen other
00:03:17of platforms being more successful than the UN at solving
00:03:21of some issues, the UN remains the only place
00:03:25where diplomats from all over the world can meet,
00:03:28and so for example,
00:03:30a "there's a tendency, experts have been saying that
00:03:34leaders from India, for example, China, they they
00:03:37appear content with what they they've achieved at the Bricks meeting,
00:03:41so
00:03:42of maybe that is why they're not attending the UN general assembly
00:03:45of at the highest level, um, and that is fair,
00:03:49maybe that is tendency that we're seeing, but that being
00:03:52said, on some other issues, even if they're not there
00:03:56at the
00:03:57of higher level, that doesn't mean that the meetings that these - representatives
00:04:01are taking, they're not achieve, they're not achieving
00:04:04on important topics, they're not being successful, so
00:04:08I think the UN is
00:04:10has has that convening power on so much more than just peace and
00:04:14security, if we're talking about climate, if we're talking about space, if we're talking
00:04:17about again AI, um, so ultimately, while
00:04:21the UN is failing um on peace and
00:04:25security, um, it is still a
00:04:28of venue that has an offering that is unique
00:04:31diplomatically. Right, thank you, thank you for being with us,
00:04:35of Stephanie, of
00:04:35a
00:04:35of thank you for your very valuable input. Paul, when
00:04:39at European and
00:04:41a Geneva based diplomatic perspective, what role can
00:04:45countries that are not directly party to these
00:04:48in conflicts play in
00:04:51of facilitating dialogue and deescalation under the umbrella for example of even
00:04:55the UN, well countries who are not
00:04:59party to... conflicts often play an essential role
00:05:03in trying to promote dialogue, conflict
00:05:06resolution and reconciliation, we've seen this in
00:05:10the case
00:05:11of the conflict between
00:05:12the United states and and Iran, um, we've
00:05:15seen Oman play a role prior to the conflict in in
00:05:19trying to facilitate a nuclear agreement, we've seen Pakistan play a
00:05:22role in trying to broker cease
00:05:26fire and and a lasting peace deal, but very
00:05:30often um countries that are
00:05:33are not directly involved um can serve as honest brokers
00:05:37and and can uh provide forum and and facilitate
00:05:41dialogue. fair enough, let me also
00:05:45include Alan Ayer, who is the distinguished
00:05:48diplomatic fellow middle east institute, former state department, senior
00:05:52policy maker joining us, and from a
00:05:56former US policy makers perspective,
00:06:00what can UN diplomacy realistically accomplish in your
00:06:03opinion, when we're looking at Washington and other major
00:06:07powers, for example have competing strategic
00:06:10interests. Well, normally UN general
00:06:14assemblies can potentially accomplish lot. I think
00:06:18this time with this in US administration, probably lot
00:06:22less, because this US administration is not used to,
00:06:26nor particularly good at uh doing diplomacy and
00:06:29multilateral fora, it prefers bilateral
00:06:32relations, but in terms of conflicting national
00:06:35interests, um, in this case, pretty much
00:06:39the whole world is unified. that this war
00:06:43needs to stop, so competing national
00:06:47interest is not as prominent in the case of trying to find
00:06:51a way to end this Iran war so that the straight
00:06:55of hormos and the babal mandab are fully
00:06:58open. Right, fair enough, let me let me go
00:07:02to Paul and then I'll come back to you. Paul, do you agree with
00:07:06what allen is saying, when we look at you,
00:07:10overall the kind of response. that you of course we would
00:07:14like the kind of effectiveness as we earlier spoke we would like, but when we look
00:07:18at UN realistically accomplishing anything, do you
00:07:22think that there is, what is it going to take for the
00:07:25US and other other powers to turn to middle east for
00:07:29example and you know move towards
00:07:32deescalation? well, I think that's a key
00:07:35question, and I think again, we have to
00:07:39distinguish between what can be accomplished at the UN. GA and
00:07:43what can be accomplished by the UNGA? I think the
00:07:47forum is there, the right actors are there to engage in
00:07:50dialogue on the margins, but ultimately the question
00:07:54is always going to be whether the United States and Iran um
00:07:58can come to some sort of mutual
00:08:01understanding that results an end to this
00:08:04conflict. um, we thought we were
00:08:08close to that with the Islamabad memorandum of understanding
00:08:12that... brokered by Pakistan, but it turned out that the two
00:08:15sides um had fundamentally different understandings of what they had
00:08:18agreed to uh so um in some respects we're
00:08:22farther apart now than we were then, but uh
00:08:26certainly the general assembly uh
00:08:29provides uh a good forum where
00:08:33um enough the key players are there uh that this
00:08:37there can be attempt to push dialogue
00:08:39forward right let me come back to
00:08:43um, Mr. Are looking back at the intense
00:08:47geopolitical gridlock between Washington and
00:08:50Tehran, um, that that leading up to
00:08:532010, long before of course a formalized
00:08:57digital, negotiated framework was even on the
00:09:00table, how can diplomacy realistically serve,
00:09:04do you think it can serve at all as a
00:09:07you know primary vehicle for this kind of a strategic breakthrough, because there's a
00:09:10host of history. "and
00:09:13you know, in in and and of course it's a deeply rooted
00:09:16conflict. well, what I always say is not
00:09:20everything can be solved with diplomacy, but nothing can be solved
00:09:24without it. it's not a magic wand. for example, at this
00:09:27point, I think given what's happened in the last year and a half,
00:09:31it's going to be very hard, even for a US
00:09:34administration, which is good at diplomacy, which this administration
00:09:38is not, to use diplomacy to find a solution."
00:09:42It's too late for that, had it started earlier with more
00:09:46vigor in seeking diplomatic solution with Iran, that
00:09:50might not have been the case, so as I said, diplomacy is
00:09:54limited at this point, I think the president
00:09:58Trump and the US administration will be a listening
00:10:01mode, and I think it's up to the rest the world to include and perhaps
00:10:05especially the countries in the region, the
00:10:09GCC countries to find a way to stop the...
00:10:25will either say yes or no, how
00:10:28should the international community really approach the Gaza question if
00:10:32the objective is a durable political
00:10:36settlement of course rather than any kind of a temporary
00:10:39pause? the Gaza problem is not soluble,
00:10:43it's again you talk about it being too late, the first step
00:10:47any attempt to to put bandade
00:10:51on the massive strategic mess that is gaz.
00:10:55is to get Israel to stand down and back off, not just in
00:10:58Gaza, but in the west bank, and this US
00:11:02administration isn't going to do that, so
00:11:05we'll have to wait until the elections happen in Israel, I
00:11:09assume whoever wins in the as prime minister
00:11:13will by and large continue the same
00:11:16policies, but absent US pressure on
00:11:19Gaza, nothing is going to change for the better, I
00:11:23mean US pressure on Israel. "nothing is going to change for the better, pardon
00:11:26me. Paul to agree with what
00:11:30uh, Allan is saying, is it as
00:11:34as mystic, I mean, of course, or or is this the only
00:11:38realistic view to take at this time? I, I do
00:11:42agree very much so, and particularly in light the fact that the
00:11:46Gaza problem is no longer just a Gaza problem, it's a West Bank problem,
00:11:50it's a southern Lebanon problem, um, and in the
00:11:53run up to..." Israeli elections next month, I don't
00:11:57think that there's much prospect for compromise coming from
00:12:01the Israeli side. So I think these are
00:12:05issues that are going to be very much still with
00:12:09us after the Israeli elections after the US elections in
00:12:12November. Fair enough. Thank you so much
00:12:16Paul, thank you for joining
00:12:17us. Alan, what
00:12:21are the principal obstacles to reviving a credible?
00:12:25two state political pathway at this
00:12:28stage? well, one problem: israel, Israel has
00:12:32given up on the two state solution, it was traumatized by
00:12:36October 7th, much like the US was after
00:12:389/11 and is now bent on on destroying whatever
00:12:42it sees is opposition, and unfortunately that includes
00:12:46Palestinians and West Bank and Gaza, so the two state
00:12:49solution, I don't even know if the US administration has used
00:12:53that phrase, this current. US administration,
00:12:57so the two state solution was something that people
00:13:01talked about in the US, though they really didn't believe it,
00:13:05and at this point, given that so few people actually believe it's
00:13:08possible, given current Israeli politics,
00:13:12I don't think, I
00:13:12mean it's certainly not a staple the US regional
00:13:16policy at this point, but can
00:13:20UN even play a meaningful role in your opinion or or do you think
00:13:24that, as far as as stabilization,
00:13:27reconstruction is concerned, or or that, like you also
00:13:31said that ultimately it will depend on the major powers and of
00:13:35course the regional states also. I think the UN
00:13:39can play a role in the sense that the United States in the last
00:13:43couple of years has forfitted its desire,
00:13:47given up its desire to work collaboratively with
00:13:50traditional allies and multilateral fora, and so US
00:13:54global... leadership is absent, and even worse, it's
00:13:58inconsistency, this administration
00:14:01sides with Russia, with China has turned its back on
00:14:05traditional allies such as NATO, so I think
00:14:08unfortunately, the rest the global community is
00:14:12trying to envision a world where they cannot look to the
00:14:15US for responsible, stable,
00:14:19sustained leadership, it's a transitional phase, and
00:14:23so I think places like the U.S. where world leaders can get
00:14:26together and try to find a new, different and better path
00:14:30forward, seems to be the option, and in the US
00:14:34case again, this administration has taken
00:14:37this principle of America first and made it
00:14:41America alone, and that's not going to work for the US or for the
00:14:45world. when you
00:14:48look at, you mentioned this
00:14:51administration, the current administration the US, do you think that? "you no,
00:14:55this is perhaps unique to this
00:14:57administration and and things may change in the
00:15:01future when we look at you know how the US
00:15:05reacts or or chooses to take
00:15:08part in the UN, considering that
00:15:12you know we've seen a lot of lot more
00:15:15perhaps you know blatant remarks come like
00:15:19you said also at times there is lot of
00:15:23erratic commentary also. so so you know in that
00:15:26sense you think that that is a temporary phase possibly?
00:15:30well things always changed and certainly this administration is unique,
00:15:34you know what I've said is
00:15:36not a partisan comment, "I worked in the government for 40 years for Republicans and
00:15:40Democrats. All previous
00:15:42administrations believed in diplomacy,
00:15:45believed in furthering the national interest in a collaborative manner, cooperative
00:15:49manner with our allies. Um, this one
00:15:52doesn't, and will that change? One would hope so, I as a
00:15:56US citizen hope so, but whatever happens
00:16:00in the next administration, whatever happens in the
00:16:04midterms, what this administration has shown..." is
00:16:08that America can do things like
00:16:11this, can go sideways, can go off the rails, can adapt
00:16:15a totally new foreign policy, 180
00:16:19degrees opposed to previous administrations, so
00:16:23that essence of us
00:16:26stability throughout administrations has been
00:16:30sundered, has been broken, so yeah, things can get better with
00:16:33subsequent administrations, but this administration has
00:16:37committed what, many have called superpower
00:16:40suicide, and that's going to be hard to undo in terms
00:16:44of getting back to where we were before, but we can indefinitely
00:16:48improve the situation over the way
00:16:50it is now.
00:16:52so so if if like you to use your word, superpower
00:16:55suicide, do you think that there is there is a way back in the sense that you think there
00:16:59is going to be some kind of a calculated move
00:17:03towards sort of checking superpowers in the future?
00:17:07future there can be, you think mechanisms, you
00:17:11think
00:17:11that there is at least some kind of talk about divising these kind
00:17:15of mechanisms possibly? i don't think so.
00:17:18international law is almost an oxy mororon, it's much
00:17:22weaker now that it was years ago. i think that we're not going to get
00:17:26back to the way it was before this administration. this
00:17:29administration has essentially broken a complex
00:17:33system in the middle east with the Iran war and in terms.
00:17:37the US alliances, and though, as I've said, things can get
00:17:41better, and one hopes they will, you can't go back to the
00:17:45way it was before. Now, if you're asking, will new
00:17:48regional and international alliances get
00:17:52stronger as result of this administration? I think so, we're
00:17:55already seeing it. You know, will the situation in the Middle
00:17:59East, where our Gulf allies realized that the US
00:18:02security umbrella has holes in it, will that change? It
00:18:06already has. as result of this war, so things
00:18:10can get better, they just can't return to where they were before
00:18:14February 28th, and a larger sense before the
00:18:18events of October 7th, 2023, with the terrorist Hamas
00:18:22attack and Israel's response, which
00:18:26destabilized, ongoing response, destabilized the whole
00:18:28region. As far as the interests of for example,
00:18:32Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states are concerned, where do they intersect with
00:18:36Washington's? approach to regional
00:18:39deescalation? i think obviously the
00:18:43GCC countries to include the kingdom and the Emirates didn't want this war
00:18:47to happen, once it started, they were hopeful that since the US
00:18:51had started this, they could finish it and get rid the
00:18:55threat, the regional threat, the very real regional threat that
00:18:59Iran poses to the GCC countries and to
00:19:02Israel, but I think it's clear now to the Saudis and to
00:19:05others that the U.S. cannot
00:19:09engage in regime change and bring about a more
00:19:13benign, more user-friendly Iranian regime, nor can
00:19:17it defang or or get rid the threat that
00:19:20Iran poses. I think the best possible case right now
00:19:24for the region is that the straight of hormose be reopened as
00:19:28much as possible, as quickly as possible, because not just the
00:19:32constrained straight of hormos, but also the boble mandad is causing
00:19:36serious economic and...
00:20:07because it's not their products that are being bottled up and can
00:20:10either go out the straight or go out the boble
00:20:13mandab, but in terms of diplomatic
00:20:17channels, could they realistically reduce tensions
00:20:21between when we look at Iran and the US, I mean I know
00:20:24that countries like Pakistan also and other countries have tried and we've
00:20:28seen the mediatory efforts, we've seen a lot of back door diplomacy, but what
00:20:32are your thoughts on the success of that kind of
00:20:36diplomacy? I know you've mentioned what your thoughts on
00:20:40generally diplomatic uh the success of diplomatic
00:20:44efforts is, but at this point when we see the kind of commentary that
00:20:48happens between the US and Iran "do you think that the chances of getting
00:20:52back on the table are still rampant? i think there's
00:20:56still a chance. i think that the US administration has a large sense
00:20:59outsourced its diplomacy, which would have been traditionally done
00:21:03by experienced high-level advisers to the
00:21:07president, has outsourced
00:21:08it to countries like Pakistan or to Qatar or to the other countries
00:21:12in the region, and seeing if they can find a solution, but at the end
00:21:16the day, communication is not a problem." "the
00:21:20problem is the US has certain red lines, has certain
00:21:23minimal demands of Iran, Iran has certain minimal
00:21:27demands the United States and there's
00:21:30a lot of distance between the two. when we did the nuclear agreement with
00:21:33Iran from 2010 to 2015, we were able to find
00:21:37an intersection set, something where both sides
00:21:41could agree to work within, where Iran accepted constraints
00:21:45its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions
00:21:48relief." That hasn't happened yet
00:21:52with this with Iran and this administration.
00:21:56Do you think it's a correct statement to make that the red
00:21:59lines, that the US red lines continually
00:22:02change, or you know, when we look at of course what the
00:22:06president the US has been saying in terms of what the goals
00:22:10are, and what they hope to achieve and what it started with,
00:22:13as far as Iran is concerned. Well, certainly
00:22:17the reasons for starting the war. have changed
00:22:20continuously, we might not ever know why the US
00:22:24decided
00:22:25to attack Iran, certainly it wasn't because Iran was any
00:22:29way an imminent threat, but the red lines that the
00:22:33US has still seem to be the same,
00:22:37which is Iran must not be allowed to enrich
00:22:40uranium its own soil, it must export
00:22:44all 440 kilograms of its highly enriched
00:22:47uranium, now it must reopen the street
00:22:51without Iranian administrative control the way it was before February
00:22:5528, those seemed to be the key red lines, so there could be other
00:22:59red lines like dismantling its whole nuclear
00:23:02program, not supporting proxies, getting rid of
00:23:06its missiles even more maximalist, but those
00:23:10US red lines, I just mentioned the straight of hormose, no indigenous
00:23:14enrichment, getting rid the HEU, the highly enrich eranium, they haven't
00:23:17changed since the war started, and Iran still unwilling to
00:23:21accept any of those. um,
00:23:25just one last question, if we look beyond this year's
00:23:29speeches, what concrete diplomatic
00:23:32outcomes, are there any that you can expect from the
00:23:36UNGA81, and that would convince the international
00:23:39community that, perhaps they are closer to reaching
00:23:43some kind of resolution on the main conflicts the world is
00:23:47at this time facing? well, I think that again as I
00:23:51think you this US administration really doesn't put lot of effort
00:23:55into these general assemblies much like they used to, not a lot of state department people
00:23:59going there. President Trump's speech will mostly be for the domestic US
00:24:03audience leading up to the mid-terms, but I think countries like China,
00:24:06and there'll be a bilateral summit between the head of China and then President
00:24:10Trump later this week, um, they
00:24:14can not put pressure, but make
00:24:17clear to President Trump and the key people. 'who who go with
00:24:21him, the stab, the stakes involved here in
00:24:25terms of how bad the US economy is,
00:24:28how bad
00:24:29the global economy is in terms of loss of resilience and the adverse
00:24:33consequences of letting this war drag on, or even
00:24:36worse escalating, because we are seeing signs
00:24:40that the US might actually escalate militarily in the near future,
00:24:44so again, I think if the rest the world are the key
00:24:48countries that
00:24:49are at least countries president Trump listens
00:24:53to, stress this main point, that might be successful
00:24:57outcome
00:25:00for this. right, thank you so much, thank
00:25:01you for joining us, thank you for being with us, it was an absolute pleasure as far as the
00:25:05UN is concerned, perhaps it's time to reflect on whether it's
00:25:09still important in today's
00:25:12landscape of conflicts and can this years UNGA
00:25:16actually help resolve major wars and
00:25:20difference to the international disputes
00:25:22that that face the world faces, the human cost these
00:25:26conflicts that the people today
00:25:31redundant of of phase, or whether it's it's concept or or perhaps just a
00:25:34place of meeting
00:25:37and
00:25:38you know speeches. thank you so much for joining us today on
00:25:41perspective.
00:26:11Modi regime is employing strong arm tactics to stifle free
00:26:15media in occupied Jammu and Kashmir.
00:26:19Journalists in occupied region are harassed and booked in
00:26:22fabricated cases for reporting truth. The
00:26:26victimization of journalists in occupied Jammu and Kashmir has
00:26:29increased manifold since 5th August.
00:26:322019. Modi regime is using
00:26:36notorious agencies like Nia and Sia to raid
00:26:39journalists homes in occupied Jammu and
00:26:42Kashmir. International community must act to
00:26:46protect independent media in occupied Jammu and
00:26:49Kashmir.
00:27:05good evening and welcome to the school. how is barbarazam supposed to cats a team like that?
00:27:09i think personally Barbarazim should look back at himself and look back at him as a
00:27:13player and be focusing on how he himself is going to score runs.
00:27:17but it shouldn't be a mismatch in the way that it's playing out. i think that's been very
00:27:20frustrating to watch on the pitch to see these players we know are capable of
00:27:24so much more. razal as a primer example that there's so much raw talent in
00:27:28Pakistan. mean you know the way he played the way he's b.
00:27:32coming on, suddenly flying into the country, not being used to these conditions, taking
00:27:36four wickets, as I was able to carry Pakistan flag for
00:27:40almost, yeah 20 years there, and uh hopefully
00:27:43inshallah now being the president can see some
00:27:47Pakistani representing Pakistan in the near future at the open as well again
00:27:50inshallah and we'll show the fans that we are in control and we are making
00:27:54big decisions um, but this this is
00:27:57this is not a positive thing for Pakistan cricket, it's amazing things
00:28:00on and off the beach. shown respect, he has shown
00:28:04resilience, he has shown excellence, just for voting
00:28:08for him, which is pure corruption at
00:28:11the, but it doesn't have to be like this, it have to be more rules into it,
00:28:15explain it to ethical matter, leak by arsenal
00:28:19through
00:28:20michel teta, but again it was luck last season whereby the they
00:28:23secured their victory and the tried to change and i
00:28:27have
00:28:28no more knowledge than referee who's older than me who's supposed to judge my fight, come
00:28:31on It's supposed to educate you as well at the same time, exactly, he's supposed to keep me
00:28:35safe,
00:28:42before the whistle blows, before the final bell, there is the
00:28:45conversation, it's a language understood by every
00:28:49stadium on every street corner, it's a moment your
00:28:52heartbeats with million others,
00:28:56it's a roar of crowd, the silence of
00:28:59anticipation, it's a trimeful cry. of a
00:29:02champion, it's more than a game, it's a
00:29:06connection
00:29:12speaks to the
00:29:13world, before
00:29:17the whistle blows, before the final bell, there is the
00:29:20conversation, it's a language understood by every
00:29:24stadium on every street corner, it's a moment, your
00:29:27heartbeats with million others, it's
00:29:31a roar of... for crowd, the silence of
00:29:34anticipation.
00:30:07Hello good morning and welcome to Pakistan TV with the news of this hour, I'm
00:30:11Zenab Bukhari, let's have look at the
00:30:12headlines.
00:30:25Security forces skill eight Indian sponsored Kavarage and hangu
00:30:29operation, to officers and four soldiers imprace. shahat
00:30:33during intense fire
00:30:34exchange.
00:30:42World leaders gather in New York this week for the in general assembly
00:30:46to discuss the middle east war. Russia, ukraine conflict, artificial intelligence
00:30:50and other major clarable issues on the
00:30:52agenda.
00:30:57Pakistan's un envoy Assim says.