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00:00:00the the noble thought of all the people that work in this field
00:00:05in to um being
00:00:07in able to create some sort of change in the
00:00:11future and i think you have to
00:00:13in really believe in this otherwise you would
00:00:16notum stand doing this kind of job for
00:00:20very long time um so this is my belief and i
00:00:24think bearing witness means two
00:00:27things like
00:00:29in me as a person as an individual seeing all
00:00:33of
00:00:33in this that is happening, being able to talk about
00:00:37it, to create an image about it and let
00:00:41other people um be part of that story and educate
00:00:45them if possible um and on the
00:00:49other hand of course as a photographer to to bear witness with my
00:00:53camera and take photos that
00:00:56will um outlive.
00:01:00of this generation and they will be
00:01:03shown um hopefully
00:01:05in a hundred years and will be taking example
00:01:09for the atrocities that war can can
00:01:12cause and i think it's always been the
00:01:16same as i said in the beginning um
00:01:20you always need people who
00:01:22a are there in this moments and
00:01:25show the world what is happening and how war looks like
00:01:29or how? conflict look like looks like, because this
00:01:33shapes our perspective on certain events, and
00:01:37if you don't have anyone bearing witness, um, anyone
00:01:41could come and create their
00:01:43own, yes,
00:01:46and the thing is, um,
00:01:47of course, in your photography, from what I've seen,
00:01:51um, you always try to um, provide
00:01:55of voice for the voiceless and you try to represent the
00:01:58minorities. those who are in trouble and like you said you just
00:02:02described as those who want to be photograph are the ones who
00:02:06need help most - how do you um
00:02:10do your job
00:02:11in a way to keep the subject of your
00:02:13photography a collaborator
00:02:17of in um designing the narrative that you
00:02:21are seeking and not just the subject in the
00:02:23photo um I
00:02:27think it's just um
00:02:30important to first show
00:02:34presence as a person and not as a
00:02:37of professional or as as a photographer, just be
00:02:40there, listen to
00:02:42of what people have to say and gain as much information is
00:02:46possible that is around, and if
00:02:50you feel accepted
00:02:51in a certain environment, then it's the moment
00:02:53I raise my camera and start taking photos. I think
00:02:57um, without any personal knowledge that... i that i
00:03:01um tried to gain beforehand, it would feel
00:03:05very wrong to go to a place and just take photos for the sake of
00:03:09of it,
00:03:09i just want to be educated myself about the certain
00:03:12situation before i start educating other
00:03:16people, and like you said you
00:03:19you you start with building the trust before actually
00:03:23getting on with your job, how do you what's your way
00:03:26of building trust with your
00:03:29of subjects? "I mean it depends on the situation, it can just be
00:03:33um a person in the streets somewhere
00:03:35in a country where I don't speak the
00:03:37in language or it can uh
00:03:41a of be very different different moments. Um, if it's possible, I would just try and
00:03:45talk to someone, show interest in their in their
00:03:49um in what they're doing right
00:03:52now, um, and then just
00:03:54من casually ask if they are okay if I take a photo, but I think in the
00:03:58end the best way is to just..." "be present,
00:04:01step into a certain situation, be
00:04:05seen and be recognized as um,
00:04:09a peaceful um intruder and not as a not
00:04:13as
00:04:13in a threat, and I think if some moments pass
00:04:17and people saw, "this person stands here, he might look a
00:04:21bit weird, but um, we accept him in our in our
00:04:25moment, um, then I mostly
00:04:28of of experience that people are okay with..." with um me taking photos of what
00:04:32they're doing or whatever, yeah, but if you're too fast and
00:04:36if you rush into a certain moment
00:04:39then I feel it's disrespectful and
00:04:42mostly it
00:04:43of it um doesn't lead to great photos right, so you're
00:04:47in a fan of planned photography and not just um
00:04:51instant photographies, but at the same time
00:04:54of um there are cases of instant photography in your journals of
00:04:57course when you're doing some sort of. of reporting, especially
00:05:01for news channel or for news outlets, what are the
00:05:04differences? um,
00:05:08of it's two totally different
00:05:11in disciplines. in photography, like um, as I said, if
00:05:15I
00:05:16just um, if I'm a
00:05:20interesting place, a new so
00:05:21city on, and I just like to walk around and get inspired and almost
00:05:25feel like a um state of
00:05:28meditation, just like being very aware of everything that is
00:05:32happening and um get drawn into some faces
00:05:36or some moments or whatever, and then I decide to to
00:05:40create some photos and sometimes... that just spent an
00:05:44hour or even longer a certain position to get
00:05:48good photo, so this is one thing, but on the other hand of
00:05:51course um, there might things be happening in
00:05:55front of you where you have to act very quickly and very
00:05:59fast to get some good shots and
00:06:03that's something totally different that I also enjoy doing,
00:06:06because um it's very unplanned and
00:06:09very um... the instincts that take
00:06:13over, yeah, right,
00:06:16and um, you've spoken about moments when
00:06:19you,
00:06:20you must overcome the instinct not
00:06:24to take a photo, especially in scenes of extreme
00:06:27suffering, um, tell me about those moments, the moments
00:06:31between deciding to go with the shotter or not at
00:06:34all,
00:06:36mean i just remember being in some
00:06:37um
00:06:41um everyone hospitals near frontlines or
00:06:44whatever and i saw some very very
00:06:48bad um things like bad injuries and very
00:06:52very horrible things that happened to to people's
00:06:55bodies or soldiers bodies and
00:06:59the first instinct of course would be to document it all
00:07:03and to take photos of everything
00:07:05that is happening but then on the other hand i feel there
00:07:08is a certain degree of um
00:07:15that doesn't have a positive impact anything, because i
00:07:18think you can show way more
00:07:22emotion and things that will create emotions in the
00:07:26viewer without showing a lag that
00:07:30is blown off, for example, so these are the
00:07:34moments that i would, i would um
00:07:37decide to not raise my camera, or
00:07:41i would take photos. but not publish the photos or just
00:07:45not like um give them to my editors or my agency or
00:07:48whatever yeah the ethical concerns in your job
00:07:52and and this brings me to one the moments
00:07:56that left a deep mark on you the supermarket strike in
00:07:59ukraine tell me about um that experience the burned bodies
00:08:03and um yeah that was that
00:08:06was terrible because we came
00:08:10back from an assignment somewhere close to to
00:08:14the city was, think in kramadorsk, um, the city in
00:08:18Dombas, and when we went back and we wanted to
00:08:21go to the apartment to just relax for the evening,
00:08:25we heard that the supermarket was bombed in the same city as
00:08:29we we stayed in, and I told
00:08:33my my driver, we need to go there, just drive me
00:08:37there, and when we arrived, it was like, I
00:08:41was one the the... first um um photographers
00:08:45or or journalists arrived there and it
00:08:49was literally burned bodies on one side the
00:08:52street and old ladies still um
00:08:56holding the the um the things that they
00:08:59bought looking in shock um to
00:09:03this this burning burning supermarket so that
00:09:06was absolutely terrible to see yeah
00:09:10like it's an extend.
00:09:13of of horror that is um yeah that is
00:09:17terrible indescribable yeah yes and um
00:09:21where do you draw the ethical line between necessary
00:09:24documentation of course when it comes to an experience as
00:09:28abhorent as this one and
00:09:31exploitation um has that line shifted over time you
00:09:35think it's a good question I
00:09:39think um the the line draws itself. off with
00:09:43the intention you have while taking the photo, because
00:09:47exploitation starts when i take the photo
00:09:50for my personal
00:09:53advantage, and i've witnessed it,
00:09:57witnessed that as well, that photographers, they
00:10:00they try to create certain situations
00:10:04because they know if they take this or that photo they will gain
00:10:07more um recognition among other photographers
00:10:11or whatever. but um that's something i don't
00:10:15really respect of course
00:10:17so it happens often like um it's a real scene
00:10:21but um there are photographers who stage it a way
00:10:25that it would get, it's absolute absolute no go and that's something
00:10:29you are never allowed to do and you should never do,
00:10:32not like even moving one single item that
00:10:36is in the scene, you should not do any any change
00:10:40in what you see, you should just take what is in front of your
00:10:44lens, but of course there's cases where where
00:10:48people, there was one case of i
00:10:50think um big protest somewhere and the...
00:10:55fer um was in the crowd and he he
00:10:59saw someone throwing something um against the
00:11:03policeman and he didn't um raise his camera fast enough so he
00:11:06went to this protest and said could you just do do it again so i can
00:11:10take the photo yes yes um and of course this is
00:11:14nogo and if this gets
00:11:18public then mostly these these people never
00:11:21get um booked again or no jobs um
00:11:25professional in this line, um, how much of
00:11:28mainstream media productions and the photography we see
00:11:32as um viewers of that kind of media is filled
00:11:36with that sort of staged photography? i
00:11:39think not too much, because
00:11:43um, mostly people who work in this field, they built
00:11:47reputation very very hard and through
00:11:50time and lot of work and lot of effort
00:11:54and... "nobody would risk um losing all of that
00:11:58by cheating or creating
00:12:01um false reality, so I
00:12:04hope um this is not the case, yeah it's
00:12:08mostly like it's mostly um people who want to gain
00:12:11attention quickly and they think they can get some
00:12:15shortcuts in their career or whatever, but um it
00:12:19mostly leads to nothing, yeah right, that's really good
00:12:22news um and much of..." um the work that you've done
00:12:26in Ukraine kind of balances brutality
00:12:30with resistance, why is it so important to
00:12:34you to um um picture both devastation
00:12:37and strength? because I think they can coexist together,
00:12:41like um lot of opposite feelings or
00:12:45emotions are found in places
00:12:48where you might not think you can find them
00:12:52like in the most um
00:12:55horrific environments, there is
00:12:58also joy and love and um
00:13:01emotions that you find elsewhere in the world,
00:13:05because I think that's what we human beings
00:13:09share all around the world in all the environments and
00:13:13times um we just carry the same things in us and
00:13:16certain
00:13:19environments they they don't change the need
00:13:22to to have um lot. every now and then
00:13:26or friendship or soft moments,
00:13:29yes,
00:13:31and um, when I look at your portfolio, it's a vast
00:13:34amount of experience, you've been doing photography in Ukraine,
00:13:38Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, and India, um, and
00:13:42and today in Iran, you are in the middle of a conflict, um,
00:13:46what common threats do you see in communities facing
00:13:50hardship? I mean, the most common
00:13:54threat for me, is that these communities don't
00:13:58get the attention that they deserve and they
00:14:02are portrayed a wrong way and that's why i think it's
00:14:05always important to go there in person and do your work by
00:14:09yourself and and see everything with
00:14:12your own eyes and um this is what i try to
00:14:16do like with the most honest
00:14:19and andraw way that is um possible for
00:14:22me to give. a
00:14:26voice to these people and to these communities and
00:14:29situations, so I think this is the biggest threat
00:14:33that exists, to be
00:14:36misunderstood or portrayed
00:14:38a be wrong way,
00:14:42and um, of course these sorts of jobs um do not come
00:14:46accidentally, and and um, it must be a
00:14:50subject of interest to you that you've been to all these,
00:14:53especially um... um brutalized communities and
00:14:57places, um, do you handpick the
00:15:00projects? sometimes I do, when I have the
00:15:04feeling that it's um global
00:15:07interest that is now like the
00:15:11light is on this certain event um or
00:15:15this this um crisis or whatever um
00:15:18but sometimes also the agency
00:15:22or some some newspapers or... media, they they
00:15:26contact me and want me to go there and there to
00:15:29cover certain stories, and I can imagine many these
00:15:33jobs come on very short notice exactly, so you should always...
00:15:37be ready to pack your bags and just leave, yeah, yeah, sometimes you
00:15:41get the call for the same
00:15:45day, yeah, to cover may be different
00:15:48events on the same day, right, also
00:15:51happened, lauren, you witness
00:15:54soldiers on frontlines, you witness grieving families at
00:15:58funerals, um, what have these experiences
00:16:02taught to you about human
00:16:04endurance, that people, "in
00:16:08most places that I've worked in are incredibly
00:16:11strong and resilient, and it's mostly the people that
00:16:15have nothing to do what is happening to them, and that
00:16:19is not fair, but
00:16:23it's also beautiful to see how
00:16:27strong human beings are in the
00:16:30worst moments you can imagine, and um, to
00:16:34be more specific, what compelled you to..." you travel to
00:16:38Iran at this particular moment, especially to places
00:16:42like the straight of Amoz, as I hear and
00:16:44Minab.
00:16:46I think it's just stories that um need to be
00:16:50covered and need to be
00:16:53heard by
00:16:54the whole world, I mean if a
00:16:58school of innocent children gets bombed and
00:17:02160 innocent lives are
00:17:05taken, um... "I feel there is
00:17:08nothing more important happening right now, and
00:17:11um, of course i want to to cover this and want
00:17:15to share this story, because
00:17:17yeah,
00:17:20the amount of devastation is
00:17:22is not possible to put in
00:17:25words, and you also talked, I assume,
00:17:29to the families of those little girls and
00:17:32um, did you find them like different
00:17:36from what you..." you perceived them to be
00:17:39like, um, did it look to you the way that
00:17:43you expected? i
00:17:47visited um three families
00:17:51and one these
00:17:55meetings um particularly
00:17:59sticks with me, because it was only the father
00:18:02of a girl that talked to us and i
00:18:06realized that he's tried to to
00:18:09give the impression of that he has everything together and he is
00:18:13strong and um he he can handle the
00:18:17situation about talking this about this topic and
00:18:21about his his child that he lost, but a
00:18:24certain point it just broke in him and like
00:18:28the tears came out and and it was
00:18:31sudden change of um behavior
00:18:35that was very... honest and very raw
00:18:39to see um what this father
00:18:43has to go through and that was very very um
00:18:46emotional of course to to witness
00:18:49also the the stories that has been
00:18:53shared with me and um the openness that these these
00:18:57families have um
00:19:00gave me um was
00:19:04incredible yeah right and um,
00:19:08as a photographer, of course, um, you're a
00:19:12professional, how do you handle so much
00:19:15mental pressure while working with these subjects, how do you keep
00:19:19distance, well at the same time building the trust that you need
00:19:23in order to get what you want from that scene, what and that
00:19:27character? i think it's very important to not
00:19:30um be distant
00:19:34and not like try. to build certain
00:19:38walls that don't let emotions um come
00:19:42close to you um i think the moment
00:19:46this happens when you lose your sensitiv
00:19:49sensitivity um or
00:19:52your um
00:19:54compassion or ability
00:19:58for emotional openness then you can't
00:20:01create um honest and meaningful
00:20:05photos anymore because you don't feel the emotions that you want evoke
00:20:09in the viewers um eye, so for me it's always very
00:20:13important despite all the things that is happening and all the things
00:20:17that might see and witness to still try to be as
00:20:21sensitive and open as possible to everything that comes around and
00:20:24not um being someone
00:20:28that just gets cold or cynical,
00:20:32yeah and before
00:20:34arriving, what perception did you? about everyone's
00:20:38post war reality, something you were about to face
00:20:41and did it stay the same or did it change
00:20:45when you arrived here and actually witnessed them? mean
00:20:49i have to admit that because of
00:20:52my uncle especially, he was in
00:20:55Iran lot of times and he always told me about his
00:20:58travels to to Iran and he always um um
00:21:02talked about his travels in the country in the highest of of
00:21:06um standards, so I had very
00:21:10high um standards already, but even these
00:21:13these um
00:21:15were
00:21:18exceeded um... so I i came here knowing
00:21:22that it is a cultural rich
00:21:26historical rich country with beautiful people
00:21:29with very
00:21:31very deep um
00:21:35um warm hearted um
00:21:37culture,
00:21:39but what I've witnessed was even more than that and seeing a
00:21:43country and the place and people like this facing so much
00:21:47hardship like Iran does. right now because the
00:21:51war is of course especially
00:21:54heartbreaking to see
00:21:56um
00:21:58so I witnessed
00:22:02um strong people that have endure a lot of
00:22:06hardship and suffering,
00:22:08but still they didn't lose their kindness and their um ability
00:22:12to to welcome strangers like me into the
00:22:15beautiful country with an open heart. wow that that is
00:22:19beautiful. and heartwming to hear from you and
00:22:23how would you describe the atmosphere that you've encountered here in
00:22:27your state in different cities that you visited, one of tension, one
00:22:31of resilience, one of fatigue, one of
00:22:34hope. I mean in some places of
00:22:38course you you see this cars on the streets
00:22:42or the the the houses or the faces the people
00:22:46still, I mean it's not long ago that these places had...
00:22:50witness um attacks, so
00:22:53um, I think it's it's
00:22:57different from place to place, um, in shiras
00:23:00I found, for example, I found moments of
00:23:03absolute tranquility and um peace
00:23:07and like everyday life happening as
00:23:10nothing, nothing comes in the way, but it
00:23:14depends on on the places that we that we that
00:23:18we've seen um... "it was different
00:23:21feelings and emotions everywhere that we that we went,
00:23:25right, and unfortunately some the world heritage sites in
00:23:29Iran have also been affected by the um strikes
00:23:33and either directly or indirectly, so I mean we've been
00:23:36to the pe police um and it was
00:23:40absolutely mindblowing to see um this
00:23:44beautiful amazing masterpiece of of
00:23:47history, but also it was very sad..." to see that there were no
00:23:51tourists or no one um who who who went
00:23:55there to to appreciate this this beauty and of course that's because the
00:23:59war indeed
00:24:00yes and um in Iran and your stay
00:24:04here what moments or encounters um do you
00:24:08think is going to stay with you most
00:24:10deeply
00:24:13I think of course meeting the
00:24:16families that lost their children in in these
00:24:20attacks
00:24:21on on the school and the sports complex,
00:24:25um, of course these were the most emotional,
00:24:28but all the other interactions that I had
00:24:31with with people, even if it's just a brief
00:24:34handshake, when someone came in the streets and said welcome to Iran
00:24:38or showed me some some
00:24:42um yeah, some respect as as
00:24:45a as foreigner in the in the
00:24:49in this country, um, I will, I will keep all
00:24:53these little and and big moments very
00:24:57close in my heart, and I will talk about
00:25:00it um with everyone in
00:25:03Europe, and I will share my experiences of
00:25:07course, and it's something cultural in
00:25:11Iran, people try to always um hide
00:25:15the sadness, the hide the misery and brave
00:25:19the situation. like put a brave face um, it's it's something
00:25:23cultural here, it's like they feel like it's
00:25:26a shame to talk about their suffering and their sadness
00:25:29always trying to come up and show a picture of resilience
00:25:33themselves and in your interactions with
00:25:36regular people on um ordinary people
00:25:40underground in the streets, I'm not sure if if you've been to some
00:25:44these rallies, nightly rallies that are held in major cities in
00:25:48Iran, what did you feel, what? you experience any interaction
00:25:52with ordinary people? no, i feel it's it's
00:25:55um, it's honest, like their way of
00:25:58of strength and resilience is is.
00:26:02honest and they um express their feelings in an
00:26:06honest way and i really respect that, so
00:26:09um that's also
00:26:11what i've seen in these gaterings in the evening um people are
00:26:14passionate and people show what they what they stand
00:26:18for and what they believe in and i think that's very important
00:26:22and um other people and other
00:26:25countries can can uh copy some of that behavior
00:26:28because um we miss this a lot of.
00:26:32places nowadays and um uh of course I
00:26:36wanted this conversation to go on for hours, but
00:26:39unfortunately for the sake of time we have to um um call
00:26:43it
00:26:43a
00:27:00day. At the end of every show I ask my guest to
00:27:04talk um for few moments with my audience directly to
00:27:08the camera right behind me, so take your time and share whatever you
00:27:11want with the audience that are now
00:27:14yours. so what i want to to
00:27:18say and what i want to share is that i really
00:27:21appreciate um that i had
00:27:25the chance to come here in
00:27:29this difficult time for this country.
00:27:32"and still being greeted and treated in this warm
00:27:36and respectful, loving
00:27:40way, and I feel I came here
00:27:43as a stranger, but I will leave in two days
00:27:47as someone who made lot of new friends here, and that
00:27:51is um, something very special to me,
00:27:54and I just wish the very
00:27:57best for the future, for all these beautiful people in this
00:28:01beautiful country." and peace be with
00:28:04you. Mr. Lauren Streelle, always a
00:28:08pleasure to have you here. It was indeed interesting. Thank
00:28:11you so much. Conversation and thank you for your time. Thank you.
00:28:15And to our dear viewers, thank you so much for staying with us on another stop. Remember
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00:28:26goodbye
00:28:27from me. Bahman Roy. Thank you for your
00:28:28attention.
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00:29:56اللا شيء
00:29:57شيء.
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