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00:00:00people who have been
00:00:02of killed and injured,
00:00:04of ultimately the truth will triumph. i am
00:00:07100% sure of this. it's
00:00:11right. thank you so much, mr. gumsi, i'm going to come back to
00:00:15you. mr. wanted to
00:00:17of put the same question to you, if a journalist like naga homit is
00:00:21detained in this
00:00:21a way without any given reason whatsoever, what
00:00:25legal
00:00:26of mechanisms order to challenge that detention?
00:00:31I
00:00:32of think there is no way to stop this type of
00:00:35detention, whether the arbitrary
00:00:38detention, the administrative detention or
00:00:42of the sentences
00:00:43of from the Israeli government, by the way, two days ago the Israeli government
00:00:47sentenced the journalist for
00:00:5148 months under text
00:00:55of inciting against the Israeli army, the
00:00:59of Israeli government.
00:01:01of has a plan, has a policy against the journalists
00:01:04and which put which puts
00:01:08a big question mark about the
00:01:12stance
00:01:13of the international community, the institutions about the
00:01:16real will from the international community to stop this violation, to stop
00:01:20this aggression against the palestinians
00:01:24including the journalists, what is the point
00:01:27of the United Nations charter, if it does this...
00:01:30prevent the these violations from the Israel
00:01:33army, we saw
00:01:36of the the case of we saw many cases inside
00:01:40gaza, we
00:01:41of saw the sing
00:01:44arresting campaigns against the journalists in the west
00:01:47bank with no
00:01:50of insight
00:01:54of of without of accountability from the international community, because of that i don't turn out that this government will
00:01:58take more ' steps against
00:02:00of the Palestinians especially the journalists to
00:02:04intimidate people here, to put more pressure on the internal
00:02:07front to hide their stories, to hide
00:02:10their agony
00:02:14and to give the settlers more time,
00:02:18more space to intensify
00:02:21their attacks and their projects by confiscating
00:02:24land, burning properties
00:02:27of and establishing more illegal settlements.
00:02:32and Mr. Alg, what do you think the international uh
00:02:36press freedom organization should be doing right now and also the
00:02:39governments?
00:02:43I'm starting to be the question, the the question was about uh the
00:02:47authorities, one
00:02:48of them is international press freedom organization and also the
00:02:51governments, um, what do you think they should be doing as of
00:02:55this moment? they should
00:02:58us - Nothing by the
00:03:02way, I told you we we have
00:03:05hundreds of journalists inside the Israel jails, we
00:03:09have tens of journalists were
00:03:13killed by the Israeli army and settlers in the gaza
00:03:16strip during the disturbation and in the west
00:03:19of bank by the Israeli s attacks without
00:03:22investigations without files without
00:03:27of any issue weather inside. the
00:03:30ICJ or inside the
00:03:34parliaments around the world or the
00:03:36in inside the United Nations institutions, there is
00:03:40nothing, I
00:03:41of think we have collusion here, we have
00:03:44conspiracy against the
00:03:47of Palestinians, against the journalists to prevent them from
00:03:51covering the truth or delivering the truth or delivering the
00:03:55voice of people under these reincubation, and I think this is the
00:03:59main policy. from the Israeli
00:04:01of government against the Palestinians to b the way for the settlers on their
00:04:05attacks, we the Israeli army by the way
00:04:08prevented tens of outlets in the
00:04:12west
00:04:13of bank from being as
00:04:15offices in many
00:04:18of cities in the west bank closed these offices
00:04:21and
00:04:24told
00:04:25of themries there the correspondents there don't
00:04:29cover. any news on the
00:04:32ground, risks against our army, this is the
00:04:36risks against our army, this is the pretext
00:04:38of the Israeli army to arrest journalists, to
00:04:42prevent them from coverage coverage and to pay the way for the
00:04:46settlers tax, this is the real
00:04:50story here, unfortunately, without
00:04:53of accountability, without real will from
00:04:56the international community, i think israel
00:05:00took that as a green
00:05:02in light to go through its plan instead of
00:05:05stopping its aggression against the journalists. i think
00:05:09Israel
00:05:11of understood these bad. signs from the international community as a green
00:05:14light to go through their satanic
00:05:17plans. Mr. um,
00:05:20we also have been covering how some European countries are
00:05:24changing their course when
00:05:26it comes to their treatment
00:05:28to this routi regime. One them has been the UK. Do you
00:05:32think those moves are going to change this regime
00:05:36in any possible way? No, we saw
00:05:40the the UK by the way. give us gives
00:05:43us service about the settlements, about the settlers
00:05:47in the west bank, they didn't prevent any
00:05:50institution or organization in UK
00:05:54from supporting the settlements financially and politically and
00:05:58militally by the way, they
00:05:59didn't call the ambassador
00:06:03of Israel to ask him about
00:06:07the the the closure of consultat in Jerusalem, they
00:06:10didn't remove. the citizenship
00:06:14the UK from any settler in the west
00:06:17bank, as they told us, they refused the
00:06:21settlements in the west bank, okay, if you have a
00:06:25real stance, you have
00:06:29to to ask the settlers in the west bank, if you
00:06:32want to stay in the west bank, you have to
00:06:36abandon the UK citizenship or we will remove it,
00:06:40but when you see the... the reality,
00:06:44they didn't do any real action
00:06:47against the settlers and the settlements, by the way the
00:06:51settlements and the settlers became
00:06:54larger and the hostilities
00:06:58became huge
00:07:01after the declaration the UK, they
00:07:05just gave us lip service, there is
00:07:07no reaction on the ground to stop the
00:07:11sat or... the Israeli army,
00:07:14Israel continued its policies
00:07:18against the Palestinians by targeting journalists,
00:07:21targeting people, confiscating water springs,
00:07:25establishing more illegal to distract the
00:07:28Palestinian daily life, and they did by the way, and
00:07:32we saw their last action against the journalists, they
00:07:35arrested as a
00:07:39way, as a tool to put more pressure on. the palestinians
00:07:43and especially on journalists to intimidate
00:07:46them. mr. you also
00:07:49heard um Mr. Mazen Rumsia's analysis on
00:07:53my last question in which he said that this is a sign of
00:07:57desperation when it comes to this regime, it means the end of this occupation um
00:08:01is actually much nearer than we
00:08:05thought. um, would you agree with that assessment that this is
00:08:09a sign of desperation by this really regime?
00:08:17I'm sorry, the question, yeah, sure thing,
00:08:20Mr., I just said that you heard
00:08:24Mr. Gumsia's analysis and my last question, that
00:08:27this is actually a sign of desperation byidary
00:08:31regime, when it comes to uh detaining journalists, would you
00:08:35agree with that assessment? By the way,
00:08:39I will be precise here, and from my point of view, when the... Israeli
00:08:42army and the Israeli intelligence target
00:08:46targets the journalists
00:08:49that a bad
00:08:53sign from them and that will
00:08:57reflect negatively on their image in front the international community
00:09:01and their society, why you are chasing the
00:09:05journalists, because they exposed you,
00:09:09this is an important point for the Palestinians and Israelis by the
00:09:13way in front the international community, i
00:09:17will crify something here, the Israeli army and the
00:09:20Israel intelligence, all the israeli
00:09:24sectors, security sectors, they are
00:09:28trying to keep their
00:09:32narrative as main narrative without
00:09:35hesitation, without reaction from the palestinians, when you
00:09:39see their aggression, the
00:09:43journalists, against the writers, against the
00:09:46outlets, this is the point here, when it
00:09:49comes to the Palestinians, they will arrest them,
00:09:53they will kill them, they will chase them, when it comes to the
00:09:57Israeli journalists, they just will ask them
00:10:01to stop or to keep them away, but
00:10:05indeed this is racism
00:10:08policy, and this is the
00:10:12sign, that the Israeli government a big
00:10:14dilemma to pass its narrative or
00:10:18to spread its narrative, this is an obvious
00:10:22point that Israel failed in,
00:10:25renewing or renovating its image in front
00:10:29the international community after its massacres and genocides
00:10:33salvation and aggression against the palestinians and the neighbor
00:10:36countries. this is also the case, mr. when it comes to
00:10:40israely journalists in other countries, i
00:10:42right? yeah, when it comes to the Israeli journalists, they
00:10:46will deal with them smoothly, they will
00:10:50according, they will dealing with
00:10:54them. to the Israeli institution, rules,
00:10:57laws, but about the palestinians, they will go
00:11:01through sharp laws,
00:11:04sharp actions by arresting
00:11:08them, beating them, killing them, as we
00:11:12saw, this is the racism policy,
00:11:15and Israel has justifications for everything,
00:11:19Israel wanted to create an enemy in every era,
00:11:23every time, every place to... justify or to
00:11:26convince the international community of its
00:11:29sacrifice as victim as a skill to emerge as
00:11:33escape goat, we have threats from
00:11:36journalists, they are covering the
00:11:40they are making some risks
00:11:44against settlers, against soldiers who
00:11:48has weapons, journalists all
00:11:51this is real, that's right, now let me bring
00:11:55back Press TV's political correspondent Homeira
00:11:58Ahad, are there according to the same thing that
00:12:02Mr. Alqiq, our other guest was just saying, shouldn't
00:12:06there be more protections for the journalists in
00:12:10the occupied West bank territory, as we have been
00:12:13saying, more than two years
00:12:16the aggression against the occupied Westbank territory
00:12:20against the its journalists and your thoughts on what should the
00:12:24international. press Freedom organization should be doing as of
00:12:27now? yeah, you absolutely right, there should be more
00:12:31protection for the journalists who have been working in the occupied territories, because for the
00:12:35last few years we have seen how the Israeli
00:12:39occupied territories are the most dangerous place for
00:12:43journalists, they specifically mentioned Gaza that's the most dangerous place
00:12:47for journalists to function, then we had ICJ, rsf and all these
00:12:51organizations which are journalist organizing.
00:12:55talking about the thats that are
00:12:59being faced by journalists working in the occupied territories,
00:13:03we also them, we also had them issuing statements time and again, we had
00:13:07statements from RSF, journalist, syndicate from even different
00:13:11media houses, be be them in the region
00:13:15or the international media houses, but what we have been
00:13:18seeing on ground is that nothing substantial has happened,
00:13:22still the journalists work. in the occupied
00:13:26territories are facing threats every day, they are being persecuted, they
00:13:30are being killed, they are being tortured, they are families are being
00:13:34harassed, their houses are being destroyed, these
00:13:38organizations are meant to protect journalists, they are,
00:13:42they have not been made to just give the numbers of how many journalists have
00:13:46been killed or how many journalists are behind the bars
00:13:49in the so-called administrative detention the
00:13:53Israeli regime, they should be bring something on the ground when their main
00:13:57primary function is safeguard the
00:14:00journalists working a conflict zones, but as
00:14:04all the organizations the world, as the United
00:14:07Nations, as the international court of justice have
00:14:11failed to deliver anything on ground, similarly these organizations
00:14:15which have safeguard the security of
00:14:18journalists have also failed to do something on the ground, but
00:14:22now if they are serious about the security of
00:14:26journalists who are risking their lives specifically in
00:14:30the occupied territories to show to the world
00:14:33the uh the horrific face of Israeli crimes being committed
00:14:36in the occupied territories then these organizations would
00:14:40have to do something substantial all
00:14:42the substantial on the ground they can buycott the Israeli regime it's
00:14:46already pehraya state being regarded by the world
00:14:50population so byyoting them would not be something difficult it is a substantial
00:14:54step. that can be taken by these organizations, they can
00:14:58stop the journalists from Israel from
00:15:01covering international events, and through these
00:15:05steps and through this bicott they can
00:15:09maybe do something on the ground where these
00:15:12atrocities which are being committed against the Palestinian journalists
00:15:16would come to the four, the people the world would be able to know
00:15:20what the Israeli regime is doing to the journalists in the occupied
00:15:23territories. Thank
00:15:26you, Mr.
00:15:29Mr. before he left us, he was talking
00:15:33about different cases and the occupied west bank of people
00:15:37being... with no justification or reason
00:15:40whatsoever for more than six months, which
00:15:43is totally possible to be renewed, six months,
00:15:47six months and then another one, and it can go on as long as
00:15:51therey officials want. the question that i have, what should
00:15:55the family of hammed be looking? it depends on the
00:15:59cost of things and it depends on the course of things and the
00:16:02transformations about the investigation, the the
00:16:06Israel government. has two polices against the
00:16:10palestinians to by charging
00:16:13them or to give them
00:16:16charges or by
00:16:20accusing them the security actions against the
00:16:24Israel army settlers and after that they will transfer
00:16:27transfer them to administrative
00:16:31detention arbitrary detention without charges without
00:16:34trial just because the... secret
00:16:38information that they took against
00:16:42the prisoner and after that they will transfer him to
00:16:46the administrative detention for six year
00:16:49months or four months or three months and they have a
00:16:53right to renew
00:16:56these these
00:16:59months depends on their
00:17:02security informations and their coordination with the
00:17:06judge. judge inside the court, the they
00:17:10call kingaro court, they have kingaro court with the
00:17:13military judge by the way against the Palestinians,
00:17:17now the main charge for the Israeli
00:17:21government is incitement, incidement against their army,
00:17:25against their settlers, under this title they
00:17:28will transfer you to the administrative intention or
00:17:32to charge you and transfer
00:17:36you to the trial, these
00:17:40steps will depends on the
00:17:43transformation or the course of things inside
00:17:47the trial or investigation session or
00:17:51the recommendations from the intelligence office
00:17:54against the correspondent or anyone
00:17:58inside under their
00:18:01arrest and again mr alq
00:18:05as there was an incidement by the settlers and
00:18:08then the arrest ofmed correct me from wrong there, but there is
00:18:12a link between the settler incidement and violence and then
00:18:16an arrestment of a palestinian journalist
00:18:20by the
00:18:20IOF,
00:18:24Naqa has a US citizenship,
00:18:28maybe that will accelerate the majors
00:18:31in in her case to release
00:18:35her with conditions to... prevent her from cover
00:18:38coverage, to prevent her from travelling, to prevent her
00:18:42from going outside her home, it depends on the recommendations
00:18:46from the intelligence office, but I think
00:18:49recently they ignored the US
00:18:53citizenship, and we saw the the
00:18:56ambassador the US Hakavi when he
00:18:59visited, he declared it and
00:19:03he made it clear that he supports the...
00:19:08and he against the violence from the
00:19:12teenagers settlers, it's silly to think about
00:19:16this point, but with his principles, with
00:19:19his promises to to the Israeli entity, he
00:19:23declared these points and he didn't care about the
00:19:26citizens who hold who holdings
00:19:30holding the citizenship, the us
00:19:33citizenship, he didn't care about them and he asked them to
00:19:39without hesitation and he
00:19:42calls for coexistence with the settlers
00:19:46and he didn't ask about the
00:19:49citizenship them and their
00:19:52rights and
00:19:56who who who is a prisoner who is
00:19:58released, this is the pattern
00:20:02the us in the west bank when when it comes to the
00:20:05Israeli. relations, but they will
00:20:09give us sleep service as UK as other
00:20:13European countries to num us to mislead the
00:20:17international community that they are caring about the
00:20:21about holding the US citizenship, but holding the
00:20:25US citizenship, but in on
00:20:28on the field or the reality, they have
00:20:32nothing to do to save or to
00:20:35protect with it. with her citizenship, this is the
00:20:39point here, but let's see the that is my question
00:20:43investigation session
00:20:47and the recommendation the Israeli intelligent.
00:20:51don't forget that these resettlers incited
00:20:53against two weeks ago and they
00:20:57asked this real army to arrest her, but with the
00:21:01hair us citizenship, i think maybe they will
00:21:05release her with conditions to prevent her from
00:21:09coverage, to prevent her from travelling or to
00:21:12stay at her home
00:21:14for some period, sometime
00:21:18month or two months. but it depends on the recommendations
00:21:22the Israeli intelligence during the
00:21:25investigation sessions, if they have no
00:21:28charges, i think if they have no evidence by the
00:21:32way, i think they will go through another theory
00:21:36to transfer her to administrative detention under the text
00:21:40of having security informations against information against her
00:21:43or to release her with
00:21:46conditions, well definitely see a about that,
00:21:50Mr., I'm going to come back to you.
00:21:53Homira, the question that I wanted to ask you is, is
00:21:57Naga's case right here, an isolated incident,
00:22:01or does it fit into a broader pattern that we have been
00:22:04saying in nearly three years right now? It's not
00:22:07an isolated case obviously, as far as
00:22:11our analyst was talking about the US teasonship that Naka holds
00:22:15and that may help her, he is much more
00:22:19aware about. procedurees that the Israeli regime exercises and
00:22:23all that, but we have examples of Shirin Obu Akle
00:22:27and then we also have example of James Miller, both
00:22:31them were wester,
00:22:33I know Shireen had a US passport and James
00:22:37was a British citizen, but both them were
00:22:40killed by the Israeli army and it was
00:22:44deliberate killing, it was not something which was a misfire, they
00:22:48deliberately killed. both them as
00:22:52far as pattern goes for the last few years at least since
00:22:562023 uh we have been seeing
00:22:59how Israel has people has been persecuting
00:23:03the palestinian journalists the two cases i mentioned of shiren and
00:23:07james they were they were much before 2023 so if somebody
00:23:11think but after 2023 we have seen a manifold
00:23:15increase where now gaza and now
00:23:19west bank also has been declared as the most dangerous place
00:23:23for journalists to operate, july was
00:23:26the most dangerous month for journalists in the west bank
00:23:30where at least 108 journalists
00:23:34faced attacks from either settlers or from the
00:23:38Israeli army, so this the case of
00:23:42naka fits into the equation where hundreds of
00:23:45journalists are being attacked by settlers or by
00:23:49the Israeli army, they are being arrested, they are being interrogated,
00:23:53their press equipment is being destroyed and
00:23:57in the worst case they
00:23:59are even being killed, so it is not an isolated
00:24:02incident where our press tv colleague has been arrested, it
00:24:06is it is something which we have been
00:24:09seeing for the last three years, at least first we
00:24:13were seeing that in Gaza every day we had reports of journalists being
00:24:17killed every day, two or three journalists were killed.
00:24:20"and now we are have in
00:24:24the last few months been seeing this in the west bank also when the violence has
00:24:28increased in the west bank, the attacks on journalists
00:24:31have also increased. that's right,
00:24:35mr. it was natonyahu a couple of weeks
00:24:39ago that uh told the iof according to different reports that they should
00:24:43get ready um for waging a war
00:24:47on the occupied west bank ' the detention of journalists
00:24:51and um increase when it comes to the settler
00:24:55violence, the e1 settlement project, and
00:24:59also the tension that Israel regime is going through with some
00:25:02European countries, you can correct me uh if I'm wrong any of
00:25:06those points, your thoughts on all
00:25:08these, with the last detention,
00:25:12I think the Israely government showed us
00:25:16that it will go through more escalation.
00:25:20against the west bank and it will use the
00:25:23settlers to conduct
00:25:26more attacks, more violation
00:25:30to intimidate people and to scare them, to
00:25:34push them to leave their land, to install or to
00:25:38establish more illegal settlements to confiscate more land, this
00:25:42is a golden time, golden opportunity
00:25:46for the settlers and the Israeli coalition here we are talking about
00:25:51and their promises before the elections, this is
00:25:54the electoral campaigns to
00:25:58to to gain more votes
00:26:02to... more popularity at the expense the
00:26:04palestinians, by the way, the Israeli
00:26:08army who arrest, arrested, the Israeli
00:26:12army took support from the US
00:26:15administration, which
00:26:19naqa pays the taxes for, it's unbelievable, this
00:26:23is, this is critical point here
00:26:26that the taxes for the administration the us
00:26:29and after that the us supports the
00:26:33Israeli army to by
00:26:37giving them vehicles, weapons and now they are
00:26:41arresting naka who holds the citizenship
00:26:45the US in their vehicle that
00:26:47they took from the
00:26:50US. mr. in
00:26:54your previous response you also talked about um the it
00:26:58depends on the investigation by the isi regime, the question that i
00:27:02had is if there is genuine security concern
00:27:06against the case of hammed shouldn't have we
00:27:10seen at
00:27:11minor? i think they will
00:27:15intensify the investigation
00:27:18sessions to to to push her
00:27:21to admit of something
00:27:25about relations with the outlets from Iran
00:27:28or coverage that brought.
00:27:32more risks against the soldiers or settlers to
00:27:36to at least to convince the international community
00:27:39their detention, their policy, their
00:27:43operation against to b the way
00:27:46for put her on trial,
00:27:49this is their policy by the way against people to
00:27:53intimidate them, to raise the seading
00:27:56their charges to
00:28:00to to to put her under pressure under
00:28:04concerns to isolate her from
00:28:07the the world to think about her life, these ways,
00:28:11these tools that the Israeli government, the Israeli
00:28:14intelligence used against the
00:28:17Palestinians, day, day and night, time and
00:28:21again by the way, and now we will see their
00:28:24investigation, and I think her family called
00:28:27the embassy the US in Jerusalem
00:28:31to, make reaction to call the
00:28:35Israeli lazan office to
00:28:39to discuss this issue, but I think the Israeli
00:28:42government wanted to intimidate the journalists, wanted to send message to
00:28:46Iran that there is no way to
00:28:50to to to to give you any
00:28:53space to cover the field on
00:28:57the according to the incitement from the
00:29:00settlers, all these...
00:29:05all these choices on the table now or all these expectations on the
00:29:08table, but think it depends on the
00:29:11investigation sessions and
00:29:14what will tell them, what will
00:29:18admit, what will refuse, all
00:29:22these choices as told you on the
00:29:25table, and i think they will put more
00:29:29pressure on her to take some.
00:29:32information to to cover their
00:29:36detention, to cover their operation against her, to go to say,