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00:01:00Everyone has a bit of this, comparatively, it is that
00:01:03some of our people are more emotional, they quickly come on social media.
00:01:06There has been a complete consensus on this, there have been two or three rounds of
00:01:10consultations. And the meaning of September
00:01:13was only that if you have to do so much logistical exercise for September,
00:01:17to bring 50, 60 thousand, one lakh people
00:01:21to Islamabad for a protest, for a long march,
00:01:25to highlight the equal rights of non-Muslim for a sit-in, then if you do it in August, then in August
00:01:28it will be difficult for people.
00:01:32that even now we talk about November 26,
00:01:35thing we downplay everywhere
00:03:25came with full
00:03:56these things will not move forward. We all
00:04:00they can adopt the same recipe again to get a new result.
00:04:03And secondly, Sheri Arbab Sahib, regarding the National Government, you mentioned Barrister Gohor Sahib,
00:04:07who is the Chairman of the party, Summer Sahib.
00:04:11He said, "National Government," so National Government, look, National
00:04:14Government, if it comes for some
00:04:17time.
00:04:22It hasn't happened in history for this purpose, okay? But it's not
00:04:26like it's someone's personality or some institution's
00:05:00Sahib, who was the Chief Minister, he also came. What are your comments on the Peshawar rally
00:05:03and this word that
00:05:06Sheri Arbab Sahib used about the PTI juggernaut? What would
00:05:10you say? I disagree with PTI in this regard because when
00:05:13I listen to their conversation from their social media account, they
00:05:17are not at all forgiving this announcement that these people have given a very distant date.
00:05:20Thank you
00:05:22very much. Arbab Sher Ali Sahib
00:05:26is
00:05:28a well-groomed political person
00:05:32and he himself said that
00:05:35the 2018 election was also not transparent,
00:05:39we admit it. And he also said about his own party
00:05:42that emotional people quickly come on social media.
00:05:46Yes, they come quickly. Basically, it seems like the party
00:05:49is run by social media people.
00:05:52Yes, because there is no doubt that Barrister Gohar Khan Sahib,
00:05:56the way he is doing politics,
00:05:59he talks about negotiations,
00:06:02he says that we are not confrontational.
00:06:06It
00:06:09was Aleema Khan Sahiba who came and said
00:06:16that these things are there within the party.
00:06:20However, this "ifs and buts" thing
00:06:22has come up. Arab Sahib is saying that if there is
00:06:26a one-point agenda, we are ready for negotiations.
00:06:30In the Peshawar rally, it was said that the preconditions you also
00:06:33mentioned were that Khan Sahib should be given access.
00:06:36And that petition should
00:06:40be filed. But there is one thing, we journalists
00:06:44say that there are differences in PTI, PTI is divided.
00:06:47But everyone is united on Khan Sahib's orders,
00:06:50whether they are social media people, whether they are
00:06:54party organization, political committee
00:06:57people, or those other
00:07:00committees, whenever Khan Sahib's order comes,
00:07:04they will all be united. So I never buy this argument
00:07:08that there are differences in PTI, it has broken down.
00:07:11Yes, I have always disagreed with their political
00:07:14strategy or their own people
00:07:17keep disagreeing, let's say. Well, we are journalists,
00:07:21what disagreement do we have to keep or not keep?
00:07:25Their own party people disagree
00:07:28with the political strategy. For example, they boycotted
00:07:31the Azad Kashmir elections. In my own
00:07:34program, whoever I invited, most people said that we were against
00:07:38the boycott. Then who said what? This is on record.
00:07:47things are in my ear, they didn't whisper to me that there are differences on this matter, the boycott happened, everyone said so, but they immediately say that
00:07:51personally we were in favor that political parties should not
00:07:55leave the field. The lesson that political parties learned from 1985
00:07:58is still resonating today.
00:08:02That's why now, regarding the September 27th thing, Arbab Sahib
00:08:06himself has given the
00:08:09explanation that logistics.
00:08:12And there is no doubt that if you bring such a large gathering,
00:08:16you should form committees. Your transport committee should be there, your
00:08:20food committee should be there, your mobilization committee should be there.
00:08:23You should hold corner meetings, at least in your province. Nothing is visible yet.
00:08:27Gundapur Sahib's thing was that whenever he came
00:08:31towards Islamabad, he brought a long march.
00:08:34He thunder.
00:08:38He came with his army.
00:08:42And he also left a footprint, negatively
00:08:45and positively. Fortunately
00:08:48and unfortunately, but what happened on November 26th, that was
00:08:52unfortunate, but Ali Amin Khan left a footprint.
00:08:54I am
00:08:57saying negative and positive because his own party also started saying that
00:09:01Gundapur Sahib should have stayed, but he said that
00:09:04"Okay, you have come, congratulations, let's go back." Now
00:09:08Arbab Sahib used these three terms that there will be a sit-in.
00:09:13Or there will be a sit-in or we will protest there.
00:09:16These things, I think with the passage of time, PTI
00:09:19will consolidate on them that
00:09:23we are only coming for a one-day long march, plus
00:09:26plus, those from before November 26th,
00:09:29those from Sangjani, who said that they would sit in Sangjani,
00:09:33Khan Sahib would be released and shifted there. Barrister Saif
00:09:37Sahib was there, others were also there.
00:09:41If such a scenario happened once in their
00:09:44own long march movement, then what would happen if it happened again?
00:09:48Therefore, as Arbab Sahib is saying, there are still
00:09:52many ifs and buts because there is still a lot of time. Okay.
00:09:55Very fairly put. Summer Sahiba, I think
00:09:59you are saying that the meeting that took place, the Speaker Sahib has clarified this.
00:10:02If Sher Ali Arbab Sahib, but he also expressed some
00:10:05annoyance that "I am tired of saying it, maybe they don't
00:10:09want to negotiate." So since I
00:11:25no harm should come to the public, roads should not be blocked, school-going children, college- going children, dignitaries come,
00:11:29routes are set. It's a capital city, isn't it? So we will
00:11:32make our preparations. They should first introspect that Junaid Akbar
00:11:36Sahib had said that people have earned billions of rupees
00:11:39in Imran Khan Sahib's name.
00:11:43So first they should cooperate with us, so first they
00:11:47should give us a review of this transparency, because we are saying that there
00:11:51is corruption happening there. Junaid Akbar Sahib should tell that they are in.
00:13:36Regarding the September 27th date, although you
00:13:40obviously amplify the message of the people or Khan Sahib,
00:13:43but many people, including you, also get dragged into it.
00:13:47So what is your reaction? Look, social
00:13:51media has its own impact. When
00:14:25such an event happens, a week before, Punjab Police
00:14:28presses the accelerator, raids happen everywhere,
00:14:32people are picked up. Just give them three days' breathing space. In Punjab,
00:14:35the police are not used for political purposes.
00:14:39See how Punjab doesn't come out. But our advantage is that
00:14:43we have a government here. Sher Ali Arbab is a colorful.
00:14:46Look, if there is no scope, the real thing is to show
00:14:50up there.
00:14:50No,
00:14:54look. People came out in Lahore, people came out
00:14:58in Karachi. I
00:15:01will show you our.
00:15:04How many came out,
00:15:06I said?
00:15:11You can estimate people's turnout only when there is an environment
00:15:15there. If special branch and police and all these people are lying around,
00:15:18then what do you think?
00:15:22What do you think? Your People's Party, do you remember? When there were crackdowns
00:15:26there, this is what used to happen. What do you think, will they welcome you? Will they
00:15:29give you open roads?
00:15:33Now will you give me a minute, please, please, please. This is the People's Party's
00:17:09we talk about November 24. One
00:17:13is what you said in the beginning of the program that through the courts,
00:17:17Khan has been convicted by the trial courts.
00:17:20Until now, in many places in the High Courts, in many places,
00:17:24he has been acquitted. In many places, his dates are not being given
00:17:27yet. Okay. Important, Shaukat Sahib, I will take your closing comments. But they are saying
00:17:31that we are not allowed to hold a rally in Lahore, we are not getting political space.
00:17:35So what are our options then? So this is
00:18:07that our colleagues with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
00:18:11they should come, sit at the table, present all their problems.
00:18:14Listen to the other side too. The other side also has a lot of grievances. There
00:18:18are many things there too. Come, sit, listen, and see.
00:18:22They repeatedly feel that the civilians have
00:18:26no power. But we will empower
00:18:29each other. If they sit with us, we will be empowered.
00:18:32And we will solve their problem, no one else will. Tomorrow, we will
00:18:36get stuck.
00:19:07You can also see this, regarding the record, as I said, Farasha Sahib only
00:19:11picked 2018. I have mentioned 2018 before.
00:19:15The flood
00:19:19of 2013. So these things, until politicians
00:19:22step back from these things,
00:19:26politicians will only do politics, and they will tell others
00:19:30that enough is enough. Until then,
00:19:34make up stories. Okay, sir ji. Mr. Paracha, sir, I agree
00:19:37with what you said that politicians have to find a solution to this. Mr. Paracha, please close.
00:19:41Mr.
00:19:44Shaukat, this is ideal. Ideal is
00:19:48not practical. It means it is ideal.
00:19:51But
00:19:54it's not happening, that's why I'm saying so.
00:19:58Yes, this is the idea. Politicians should
00:20:01sit today. They should sit tonight.
00:20:04And I would say they should sit with muscle,
00:20:07until they reach a final course of action,
00:20:11until they reach a conclusion, until they reach a result.
00:20:15I would say they should sit now. I mean, I am
00:20:18not at all that type of insolent person who would provoke
00:20:22them and say, "No, stand firm, you should flex your muscles
00:20:26completely." No, we have always said that
00:20:30they should sit and talk. Politicians should sit
00:20:33with politicians. Even when this government was being formed,
00:20:37the current N-League one, the People's Party was also looking towards
00:20:41PTI. These things are on record. But PTI
00:20:45said that we will not sit with anyone. And the People's
00:20:48Party had to sit with the N-League, and they were
00:20:52taunting each other. Or when
00:20:55Arbab Sahib also talked about the 45-47 form,
00:20:58they are taunting it, but they say
00:21:02that no, we will follow this democratic process,
00:21:05whatever weak this process could
00:21:08be. But only the democratic system
00:21:12has to move forward, and no one will come from outside
00:21:15to cleanse it. Politicians have to sit and make decisions
00:21:19themselves.