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00:00:08I don't know if the question refers to a political campaign, we need regulation to prevent dark posts, you use a political opponent, you take Marcelo speaking and manipulate
00:00:11his voice, make him say something he didn't say, this is a serious crime and there must be
00:00:15some kind of regulation, quickly, increased taxation
00:00:19of bets, yes, I think bets should be prohibited because they have
00:00:23caused a lot of harm to people's mental health, not just taxing, but limiting
00:00:27their operation because it is too harmful to Brazilian
00:00:30families, candidate, there's one minute left, your final considerations,
00:00:33well, thank you, Bianca and Marcelo, it's a shame that time is so
00:00:37short for everyone, we can't talk much, but I'm happy for the opportunity, for the space
00:00:41and even happier to be able to once again compete for an
00:00:44important position, the position of senator of the republic, representing the
00:00:48state of Ceará, there will undoubtedly not only enhance my
00:00:51resume, but also allow me to continue my history, a clean record councilman,
00:00:55clean record state deputy, clean record federal deputy as well,
00:00:59I want to be not just a... clean record senator, but an extremely
00:01:02responsible senator to fight for resources for the state of Ceará, a
00:01:06senator who has the courage to confront and toughen
00:01:08legislation against factions, and above all, a
00:01:12senator who has the courage to confront those
00:01:16STF ministers who have abused power, who have used their
00:01:19strength, even to commit crimes, imagining that
00:01:22they will never be punished, that's why I ask for your vote on October 4th
00:01:26for governor Ciro Gomes 45, my brother senator.
00:01:29Fernandes 222 and Captain Wagner, senator also
00:01:32445.
00:01:38And residents of Jardim Pantanal in the east zone of São
00:01:41Paulo have been suffering for two days with floods after
00:01:45a weekend of heavy rain in the capital of São Paulo.
00:01:49Jardim Pantanal is located in a floodplain
00:01:52area of the Tietê river. That's why it is constantly
00:01:56affected by the rains. When the water volume of the river
00:02:00increases, it can overflow and reach the region.
00:02:04The problem usually increases in summer and is not so
00:02:08live with the common in September, as the neighborhood is in a lower
00:02:11area, the water has difficulty draining and ends up
00:02:14causing the floods. According to
00:02:17residents, the neighborhood underwent work in
00:02:20August this year, but the
00:02:23intervention was not enough to solve the
00:02:26problem. In a note, the São Paulo city hall informed that
00:02:30since December of last year,
00:02:32789 families have already been
00:02:36removed from risk areas. The municipal
00:02:39administration also states that the region receives almost
00:02:43R$ 60 million in drainage,
00:02:47paving and containment works for the
00:02:49Tietê River. The city hall also says that teams are
00:02:53pumping water from the streets and that
00:02:56the roads will be cleaned after drainage.
00:03:05Time for international affairs with Gabriela Torre who is already here in the studio
00:03:09with us, welcome Gabriel. Well, I'm going to start by talking about
00:03:13a passenger ferry that sank during a
00:03:16storm in the Java Sea which is in Indonesia. Rescue
00:03:19teams are looking for 129 people who
00:03:23are missing at the moment. So far,
00:03:26108 have been rescued, six have died. In total
00:03:30243 people were on board this vessel that we are going to
00:03:34show, called Virgo Transport 8, which then
00:03:37traveled between Surabaya, which is on the island of
00:03:41Java, to Banjar Mazin, which is in
00:03:44Borneo, when contact with the
00:03:47vessel was completely lost around
00:03:502 am local time, the captain had
00:03:53reported moments earlier a very
00:03:57rough sea, with waves of up to 3 meters
00:04:00high and said that the ship was not great, that it was
00:04:03a little unstable, so the searches began immediately
00:04:07with boats, helicopters, including these
00:04:10images we are seeing are images from a helicopter, mainly from the rescue
00:04:14teams who have already captured that impressive image,
00:04:18the boat, the vessel completely
00:04:21shipwrecked, so the specialized teams started to move to the
00:04:25last known position,
00:04:28which was known there moments before they lost that
00:04:32communication, it's about 150
00:04:35km from the coast, and the
00:04:38tugboats, other rescue teams, vessels that
00:04:41were in the region also began to help remove these
00:04:45survivors from the water, including these images we can see some
00:04:48boats, including these
00:04:51teams that managed to rescue all these people alive,
00:04:55without serious injuries, it is indeed a video that
00:04:59we can see that... it is showing all these people who were
00:05:02there, anyway, they went through first aid there, if
00:05:05they had any kind of
00:05:09injury, but anyway they were fine, right? without
00:05:12serious injuries, so the authorities are now trying to understand
00:05:16exactly what might have caused this shipwreck and
00:05:19are also maintaining all the search and
00:05:23rescue operations in the region. The accident once again draws a lot of attention
00:05:27to the risk of maritime transport, especially when we
00:05:30talk about that part of Asia, right, Indonesia and all that. This
00:05:34is because with over 17 thousand islands, the country relies on
00:05:37ferries to connect different regions, but registers
00:05:41accidents much more frequently than we see,
00:05:44so even when we talk mainly about fires and
00:05:48shipwrecks associated with adverse weather conditions
00:05:51and also problems in complying with safety
00:05:54standards, and this tragedy that we just talked about, this
00:05:58ferry in Indonesia happens just days after we even talked last
00:06:02week here on Link News about another serious
00:06:06accident that happened in the region, right, a passenger ferry caught fire
00:06:09there in the Philippines, which is near... leaving at least
00:06:1376 dead, so
00:06:16all these teams continue working
00:06:20against time, right, to find the missing
00:06:23and also to increase the number of
00:06:31Barbican conservatory, located in London, United
00:06:35Kingdom, became for one day a kind of maternity ward for
00:06:38plants, hundreds of people participated in a different event.
00:06:42There in the region, surrounded by adoption, they
00:06:46were also able to take home some seedlings grown within this
00:06:49very winter garden before the space closed for a
00:06:53major renovation that will take a long time, but it's not enough
00:06:56to just choose the most beautiful plant there, this event chooses
00:07:00the future plant parents, as people jokingly say
00:07:04here in Brazil, they actually had to fill
00:07:07out a form to explain or even
00:07:10draw for these people who were choosing, where
00:07:14this seedling would stay in their house, of these
00:07:17people, it was also necessary to commit to
00:07:21taking care of it, with guidance on water, humidity,
00:07:24amount of light,
00:07:27all very correct for this plant to survive, in total
00:07:30500 seedlings were prepared there for adoption, among them
00:07:34were species like Monstera Deliciosa, spider plant and even
00:07:37Sagittaria, which are very famous known species, and each
00:07:41one got a new name, especially when
00:07:45it comes to a new home, so the idea was created in
00:07:48partnership with an organization called Wayward
00:07:51Plants, which formed all this removal of the
00:07:55seedlings, including all in experience and care
00:07:59and also connection, so instead of
00:08:02simply selling, the event proposed that people create a
00:08:06kind of relationship with that small piece of the place that
00:08:09is on top of a brutalist complex, we say brutalist because
00:08:13it's full of stone, so you rarely see
00:08:16any vegetation or plants, a green area
00:08:20like this, it brings together about 800 species
00:08:23in this place that is really full, it looks
00:08:27like when we see it, it's some green place in the middle of the
00:08:30stone city, right, it's the same thing there, including some
00:08:33endangered species among all these
00:08:36species, the space is also one of the most beloved spots by
00:08:40Londoners, so people gather there to have a coffee. to chat, right,
00:08:44including this image we're seeing of one of the people who managed to get one of these seedlings
00:08:47and already put it in her house in a very pretty
00:08:51and pleasant way, but this urban jungle also feels the
00:08:54effects of climate change, it's worth remembering that during the summer some
00:08:58installations suffered from intense heat, in addition to the
00:09:01limitations of an old infrastructure, now the
00:09:05conservatory will undergo a major renovation, it will take
00:09:08some time to be ready, but now the parents
00:09:12and... plants, they took home a small souvenir of this iconic
00:09:16place, so for those who live there, the relationship is even more
00:09:19special, especially when we talk about one of the residents who
00:09:23said she can now look at the plant
00:09:27and see it growing little by little, while the
00:09:30complex undergoes renovations, it's as if for her
00:09:34it's taking a piece of the Barbican home,
00:09:36so while the garden prepares to
00:09:39return renewed, with some
00:09:43of its plants already starting a new
00:09:47life, especially when we talk about these people who
00:09:51decided to continue their planting, especially when
00:09:54we talk about those
00:12:19to a quick break and will be
00:12:21right back.
00:12:25Hello, the advance of the decree that deals with bio-inputs is one of the highlights
00:12:29of this Tuesday's Record News Rural. Brazil is even a reference in
00:12:33its use, and there's news. The federal government has finished the draft
00:12:36regulation of the law that reorganizes the regulatory framework for
00:12:40biological products used in Brazilian agriculture. About this, I
00:12:43talk to economist Ricardo Buso. We also talk about
00:12:47how the rains favor the sowing of soybeans and sustain
00:12:51prices here in the country. Don't miss it, Record News Rural airs
00:12:55at 6 and 7:30 in the morning, I'll wait for you, see
00:12:58you there.
00:13:05I call Gustavo Toledo back to participate in Link News, hi
00:13:08Gustavo, good evening to
00:13:10you.
00:13:16Good evening, Isa, good evening to everyone who follows Link News, which continues
00:13:19talking about elections, today we talk to Márcio França
00:13:23from PSB, candidate for vice-governor in São Paulo
00:13:27on the ticket headed by Fernando Haddad. França was
00:13:30vice-governor to Geraldo Alcom and took over Palácio dos Bandeirantes in
00:13:342018, after Alcomin's resignation to run for president of the
00:13:38Republic. Between 2023 and 2026, he was minister of
00:13:42entrepreneurship, of micro and small
00:13:45businesses in Lula's government. The interview will be 30
00:13:48minutes long, with 29 for questions and answers and the last minute
00:13:52for final considerations. First of
00:13:55all, candidate, a great evening, thank you for participating
00:13:59here with us on Record News. Thank you for the opportunity, it's
00:14:03always good to come back to Record and now with Record
00:14:06News we have the opportunity to talk to people. Candidate, I will now start
00:14:10the 29 minutes of our interview and I start by
00:14:14asking you: the position of vice-governor does not have a
00:14:17fixed function, eh, besides succeeding the
00:14:20incumbent. In a possible Haddad administration, what role do
00:14:23you intend to take? a portfolio, a specific mission, did
00:14:27you talk to Haddad about what your
00:14:31concrete attribution would be in this possible
00:14:34government? No, I did not talk,
00:14:36because yes, I have already been vice-governor and governor,
00:14:40right? We have a certain,
00:14:43same age, I think he is the same age as
00:14:47me, but I have the advantage of having already had
00:14:51this opportunity, right? So I was secretary of
00:14:54different passes, so I lived here with the
00:14:57government of São Paulo, which is a fabulous machine, a cool
00:15:00state, by the way I take this
00:15:04chance that you give us, you
00:15:07here to note to the
00:15:11viewer that both Governor
00:15:14Tarciso and Vice Felício have
00:15:18avoided going to any debate or any interview,
00:15:21a style that in my opinion is
00:15:25mistaken, because whoever goes there, shows what they did, the way they
00:15:29did it, is better than not
00:15:32talking, right, so it's always important to go and let
00:15:36people eh... question you.
00:15:39Candidate, you spoke about your time at the
00:15:42palace, eh, you built a good part of your career alongside
00:15:46Geraldo Alkmin, in the former base of the PSDB, today
00:15:49you are part of a PT ticket with Haddad. How do you explain
00:15:53this convergence to the voter? What brought your São
00:15:57Paulo project closer to Haddad's project? In
00:16:01our case, at least for me, I only had one party in my
00:16:04life, which was the PSB, I've been a member here since I was 18, so
00:16:08you see it's almost 40, 45 years
00:16:12of affiliation, my only party, we've always been
00:16:15a certain amalgam between positions linked to
00:16:18the PSDB style, with a bit of
00:16:21PT, we used to make this
00:16:24intermediate thing, I used to tell the PT that one day they
00:16:28would regret hindering
00:16:31or speaking so badly of Alkmin, anyway, because Alcomin is a person
00:16:34of a very strong character, very
00:16:38serious and at the same time very dedicated, right, and it was a
00:16:42surprise for many people, but when there was that
00:16:45passage where Doria practically helped
00:16:48destroy and end the party in São Paulo, Geraldo
00:16:52ended up accepting the invitation, he came to join the PSB,
00:16:56I suggested to President Lula that he accept a
00:16:59novelty, which was a novelty, someone who
00:17:02thought differently from what they think in some
00:17:05things, but has a fundamental mark. Which is the mark
00:17:08of the question of respect for democratic
00:17:11decisions, this is what basically unites
00:17:15us, right? I mean, Lula lost the election, won the
00:17:18election, I also lost the election, won the election, but you respect the
00:17:22result, right? We always say that imagine if
00:17:26Bolsonaro lost the election, those guys had the
00:17:29audacity to go there and break things in Brasília, if
00:17:33they had won, then they would have set the world on fire, right? So this thing.
00:17:37It's about respecting the result, it's a
00:17:40prerequisite, you won't win all of them, right? You have to learn to
00:17:46diversity that others win the elections, and I think
00:17:49they did that very well, it became concave and convex there,
00:17:53because although they have very different styles, today
00:17:57Lula and Alcomin get along very well and I think this partnership has been important
00:18:00and now renewed, right? That is,
00:18:04the proposal for renewal of the two again, Lula is
00:18:08older than Alcomin, he is more experienced, 10 years
00:18:11older, but Alcomin also has the experience of having been
00:18:14governor of São Paulo four times, which is a record that hardly
00:18:18anyone will beat, right? Speaking
00:18:21now about the city of São Paulo, or rather, about the state of São Paulo,
00:18:24security is, of course, the greatest anguish of the Paulistas
00:18:28and is a constitutional competence of the state. What is
00:18:31the security model that your ticket proposes, how does it
00:18:35differ in practice from the policy adopted by the current
00:18:39administration? And the current administration, I would say
00:18:42that Tarciso, first, he doesn't, he
00:18:46has a military background because he was in the army,
00:18:49anyway, but the military of the armed forces have little
00:18:53relationship with public security
00:18:56because they live in a different environment that is not a war preparation environment,
00:19:00it is not the same day-to-day environment of a military police officer, of a
00:19:04civil police officer, anyway, and in my opinion he did very badly
00:19:07in security, the feeling of insecurity in São Paulo is
00:19:11very strong, a young woman today doesn't leave home, she's afraid, all
00:19:15the time people feel insecure, cell phone thefts, all the numbers
00:19:19practically dropped, we don't even trust the
00:19:22numbers, because part of these numbers are not openly
00:19:26disclosed, right? He had an initial
00:19:29placement which was that attempt, as soon as he took over the government of
00:19:33São Paulo, Tarcísio, he carried out an operation on the coast of Santos, next to me,
00:19:36which ended up creating a mark for him, in quotation marks,
00:19:40positive, but which in my view is a misguided
00:19:44vision, you go there, set fire, kill 15, 20,
00:19:4750, eh, the next
00:19:51day another 50 appear, the great
00:19:54solution for public security, Haddad adopted this
00:19:57as a system, it's a program that allows young people at
00:20:0118 years old to enlist in the armed forces and be
00:20:05discharged, which is the vast majority, you recruit
00:20:08this person for civil public enlistment, I did this
00:20:12when I was mayor, I did this when I was governor in those
00:20:15few months, with over 20,000 young people
00:20:18and automatically you compete with criminal
00:20:22factions, the young man who is
00:20:25in doubt at 17, 18 years old, he doesn't know
00:20:29eh, well, he needs some things financially, he sees everyone having
00:20:33things, he doesn't have them, so he comes to work with us for a year, he is
00:20:37obliged to go back to study, do a technical course and
00:20:40have a life path, it's a much more social program
00:20:44than a police one, but in practice it
00:20:48involves a lot of people, so for example here in the state... of São Paulo, we could easily reach
00:20:51over 100,000 young people, for you to have an idea, São Paulo military police
00:20:55has 80,000 men, so if you take the
00:20:59men who are in the military police and cut them, because they have to work 12 on,
00:21:0236 off, all the time there aren't many people on
00:21:06the street, because you can't have a person on every corner, right, the
00:21:09young people, in fact, we keep bailing out water, because
00:21:13this production of young people who don't have adequate guidance, who often
00:21:17don't have a father at home, who don't have a religion, who are behind in
00:21:20school, this vulnerable young man, he is a
00:21:24full plate of options for the wrong
00:21:27side, we compete for this young man, this gave a result, in
00:21:31my case in the city of São Vicente, a big city, it was the most violent city
00:21:34in the state of São Paulo, in one year it passed, it wasn't even
00:21:38among the top 100, so you see that this has an immediate
00:21:42impact, right, but it's a completely different logic, and our political
00:21:46field has a lot of divergence because people think, oh, but you're
00:21:49going to... make a military school, so this is military school, this
00:21:53is a, it's a silly debate, because we don't have to
00:21:56defend anyone's wrong things, right, and of course, no one
00:22:00will like to see the boys being recruited, recruited by
00:22:03organized crime, they are recruited because they have no
00:22:06opportunity, I want to talk now, you spoke about the military police, about
00:22:10precisely the body cameras that are pointed out as responsible for
00:22:14reducing police lethality by more than
00:22:1660%. But the recording is now activated
00:22:20manually in this administration, in a government, a possible Haddad
00:22:23and França government, what would be your policy for the military
00:22:27police cameras? The camera must be electronically activated,
00:22:30Haddad has already said this and I think it is correct, it is necessary that
00:22:34we also do not make the camera the solution for everything,
00:22:38because in some details the camera can
00:22:42create embarrassment, for example, a female military
00:22:45police officer who goes to the toilet, the camera is
00:22:49on, she is not obliged to be exposed there with the camera on
00:22:52evidently, so there must be some mechanism of activation,
00:22:56right, but the camera anyway served to
00:22:58decrease this eagerness, but believe
00:23:02me, when you have the command that has authority that you
00:23:06can make people feel
00:23:09useful, it improves without needing so much violence, it's just that
00:23:12there was an orientation from the government itself, look, go there, shoot
00:23:16in the head, kill I don't know what, the people down there...
00:23:20will accumulate these functions, then in the
00:23:23end it's the military police officer who suffers, because whoever will
00:23:27answer the process is him, whoever will be arrested is him, because you never see a commander
00:23:30afterwards, or the other, anyway, and for the first time the São Paulo military police
00:23:34is so on the bottom of everything, together with the civil police,
00:23:38correctional police, because they have
00:23:42the lowest salaries in Brazil and do not have
00:23:45minimal recognition from the government itself, meaning they managed
00:23:49to make... Yes, even this connection of
00:23:53criminal factions into the commands of
00:23:56these corporations ended up being something that in São Paulo is a novelty, it never
00:24:00happened that people from the high echelons of the police
00:24:04were involved with organized crime. Tarcisio brought
00:24:08this here too, it was another inauguration of the things he managed
00:24:11to bring to São Paulo. You talked about criminal organizations, I wanted to talk then
00:24:14precisely about the PCC that was born and strengthened here in the prisons
00:24:18of São Paulo. The PEC of public security approved in the chamber and
00:24:22advancing in the senate, creates then this tougher penal regime
00:24:25for faction leaders, maximum security prison, confiscation
00:24:29of assets, in short, of benefits, among other points of the
00:24:33PEC, I wanted your evaluation, do you support this
00:24:36hardening as a candidate for vice in the state that is precisely the birthplace
00:24:40of the PCC, what does your ticket offer
00:24:43that goes beyond filling prisons that the faction itself
00:24:47will then use precisely to recruit? "if
00:24:50we win the election Haddad implements
00:24:54civil enlistment with force, which is
00:24:57really what suffocates the
00:25:00faction, eh, it not having the vulnerable workforce of
00:25:04young people, eh, you directly enter, young people aged
00:25:0718, 17, 19, are the boys
00:25:11who are in that crucial decision of life,
00:25:15if they go this way, or that way, if he doesn't have
00:25:18opportunity, he ends up being..."
00:25:20chosen, so it's a real dispute and we are the state, we will not lose,
00:25:24we are the state, now eh, that's not what
00:25:27is done, you people have the feeling that they will do this eh
00:25:31by doing eh eliminating people, you can't eliminate
00:25:34all people, we have 200,000 prisoners in the state of São Paulo, right,
00:25:38the United States has 2 million prisoners, we are going to arrest everyone
00:25:42everywhere, eh, we have to make these people
00:25:45have other life options and in this special case I am in favor
00:25:49of... hardening the relations with the penalties, right, just
00:25:53now there's a case where that guy, the park maniac,
00:25:56is now va his term to be
00:25:59released has arrived, right, there are people who shouldn't be... released ever
00:26:03because they have psychiatric problems that will not have
00:26:07a solution for them, right, probably, I'm not a doctor, but
00:26:10probably there will be no solution. If he does it once, twice, three times, 50 times, it will
00:26:14not have a solution. But it's different for a 15, 16, 17 year old kid who
00:26:18sometimes goes to a party, thinks he's being super cool, goes with
00:26:22friends, then finds himself in the middle of a huge mess, then you
00:26:25know, many people go to these police stations and
00:26:29go to these prisons, then my friend, there it's a... billion of
00:26:33confusions, there's no one to give you the minimum attention and
00:26:36not even minimally your correct defense, so
00:26:39it's like this, it's a door to
00:26:43hell that opens and just so you have an idea,
00:26:47a young man today who goes to Fundação Casa, he
00:26:51consumes from us, from me, from you, from everyone, from you
00:26:53viewer, more than R$ 20,000 per month for
00:26:57him to be there. If we had spent 100 on
00:27:00him, when he was 17, 18 years old, for him to have a job, he wouldn't
00:27:04spend 20 later on, right? So it's the type of money, besides
00:27:08everything, stupid, it's money that you use and in reality it's
00:27:12just eh wiping up this spilled water. To close this
00:27:15security topic, I wanted to talk precisely about how the United States decided to treat
00:27:19the PCC, right, as a terrorist organization. There are those who
00:27:22defend that Brazil should do the same, I wanted to know your assessment
00:27:25about treating the PCC here in Brazil as
00:27:29terrorist under Brazilian law. It's
00:27:32like... it's much more of a media thing from
00:27:35Trump, because there are several American
00:27:38groups, American tigers, several American groups,
00:27:42it would be exactly like the PCC here. Are you going to treat the Italian
00:27:45mafia as terrorist?
00:27:48So it's more for media effect than for solution,
00:27:51now who has to decide this is Brazil, not Trump, right? I mean,
00:27:55we have an autonomous country,
00:27:58independent, we are the ones who decide, right? They are the ones who have to be careful with
00:28:01terrorists. who several times had terrorist attacks
00:28:05within the United States, right? Today they are committing enormous injustices against
00:28:09Brazilians and against South Americans, against Latinos who for
00:28:12no reason are being arrested, put in jails and
00:28:16expelled from the United States. Remember, the United States is a country
00:28:19formed by a mountain of people who also came from outside, just like
00:28:23us. So, these people helped build American wealth,
00:28:27didn't they? Eh, sooner or later Trump will end up
00:28:31being arrested. You can write that down today, then later you can hold me accountable. Let's
00:28:35talk now about the privatization of SabesP carried out by the Tarcísio
00:28:39government. I wanted to understand how, or know how
00:28:42you view this privatization and, going further,
00:28:46of course, how your government would ensure the
00:28:49universalization of sanitation necessary for the water
00:28:52bill to serve precisely all families in
00:28:55the state of São Paulo. First, Gustavo, it's important
00:28:59to remember the open statement of the governor of São Paulo
00:29:02Tarcisio de Freitas, he gave his word, "by
00:29:06my honor, I guarantee that the water
00:29:09bill will not go up," he said. "I guarantee, I guarantee," then the water
00:29:13bill went up. So, it's a bit of his profile, saying
00:29:17things that he later can't deliver,
00:29:20he ends up deceiving people in a way that, in
00:29:24my view, is very strong. He knew it wasn't true, and it wasn't
00:29:28true that the increase happened. The way the
00:29:31privatization was done, do you think it's possible that the owner of Record
00:29:34here would decide to sell Record, and then whoever bought Record, at the time
00:29:38of opening a tender, only one competitor enters who
00:29:42offers R$ 10,000 for Record, and then
00:29:45Record is sold? It doesn't make sense. Sabesp
00:29:48was sold for a price that eh Sabesp was worth
00:29:51100 billion. The state of São Paulo had 50 billion of these 100
00:29:55billion. It was sold to a single competitor for 13
00:29:58billion. This same competitor in
00:30:02two hours later, the price was already 18 billion, 19
00:30:05billion, and this has an aggravating factor, Gustavo, you
00:30:09who are listening to me at home, if it was sold for 13 billion,
00:30:13each of us had a right to R$ 300 here in the state of São Paulo, there are 40 million
00:30:16inhabitants, where are the 300, my 300,
00:30:20my wife's 300, my children's, your 300, because no one received
00:30:23any of this money, this money ended up going into the state's
00:30:26coffers, he then used it to indemnify the highway
00:30:30concessionaires for these toll businesses, the
00:30:34metro delays, the money was gone. So we
00:30:37lost the company that was a super
00:30:40robust company, the second largest company in the world and that made a
00:30:44profit of 3 to 4 billion reais every semester,
00:30:48so it was a very bad sale, it's not about
00:30:51privatizing, it's about selling badly. Tarcisio sold
00:30:54Congonhas airport and I was, I was minister of that part, then I
00:30:58took over in his place.