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00:00:00of the presidency of this court or of the plenary of this
00:00:04court and
00:00:06this
00:00:09defense, both the defense and the report, I asked
00:00:12Your Excellency, I myself asked Your Excellency to
00:00:16forward it to all the eminent colleagues.
00:00:20All the eminent colleagues had access to the full
00:00:23report, the full text of my defense, that I had
00:00:26the opportunity to express myself in...
00:00:30a meeting with all the colleagues present in Your Excellency's
00:00:33office on
00:00:36that date, Mr. President, by
00:00:40suggestion of Minister Flávio Dino, after
00:00:43the statement of all colleagues, a large, the vast
00:00:46majority understanding that there was
00:00:48no existence of anything that
00:00:52would lead to my suspicion, but
00:00:55accepting the suggestion made by the eminent Minister Flávio
00:00:58Dino that... that from the
00:01:02point of view of preserving the court,
00:01:06due to the repercussions that
00:01:08occurred because of that report,
00:01:12that I voluntarily recused myself from the rapporteurship,
00:01:16so I did, this was
00:01:20recorded in a note, signed by all
00:01:2310 ministers of the Supreme Federal Court, this note
00:01:27is published on the website of the... federal
00:01:30court, then Your Excellency ordered the
00:01:34archiving of the report and this
00:01:38report is archived by Your Excellency's decision
00:01:42with final judgment, with the Attorney General's Office
00:01:45having acknowledged
00:01:49it and expressed its
00:01:52order refer to appeal, although
00:01:56no formal
00:02:00allegation of suspicion was accepted, quite the contrary,
00:02:03when the judgments
00:02:07began to occur in
00:02:10the second panel, already under the rapporteurship
00:02:14of the drawn rapporteur, Minister André
00:02:17Mendonça, I felt
00:02:19an obligation also to
00:02:23preserve the Court and to declare
00:02:26my suspicion for reasons of intimate forum.
00:02:30Not an impediment for reasons of intimate
00:02:33forum, so as not to embarrass, not to have
00:02:37any kind of bias of
00:02:40embarrassment to the court, accepting
00:02:43the wise suggestion of Minister Flávio
00:02:46Dino. Therefore, Mr. President, maintaining consistency with what
00:02:50I have done in the panel, I do not
00:02:54feel, therefore, for the
00:02:56preservation of the good progress of the work.
00:03:01No, before Your Excellency concludes, a very brief point, since Your
00:03:04Excellency honored me with the correct citation, Minister
00:03:07Flávio, I would like to agree in this session that the floor will always be
00:03:11requested from the presidency, if you allow me, Mr. President, I
00:03:15will follow the internal rules of the court which
00:03:17rapporteurship for say that the floor is requested from the presidency, this interjection is directed to the rapporteur, not
00:03:21Your Excellency asking for the floor from the presidency, that's what I'm
00:03:24telling you, Mr. President, I will follow the internal rules of the, well Your
00:03:27Excellency will have the floor.
00:03:30Internal rules of the court, Mr. President, and
00:03:33I greet Your Excellency, I greet the eminent ministers, I greet the
00:03:37Public Prosecutor's Office, the legal profession, all
00:03:40those present. First of all, Mr. President, I want to salute
00:03:43the wise decision of Minister Cássio
00:03:46and I think that Your Excellency's reasoning is very
00:03:50relevant, uh, to honor him,
00:03:53therefore, for understanding the magnitude of the function of President
00:03:57of the TSE, at a time when ... as Your
00:04:00Excellency said at the beginning, it is necessary to preserve
00:04:03deliberation, temperance, balance, this applies
00:04:07to everyone, including Your Excellency, exactly, including to follow the
00:04:10rules, eh, including for Your Excellency, eh, in
00:04:14relation, therefore to
00:04:17the declaration of Minister Cássio, just this reference, in relation
00:04:21to what Minister Tófoli said, just to underline and
00:04:25emphasize, eh, and for that I asked him to interrupt,
00:04:28the record. Your Excellency's record is absolutely
00:04:32fair, let's remember, there was
00:04:35an offer of a report from the federal
00:04:37police, this report was never appreciated by the
00:04:41collegiate body,
00:04:45there was an informal meeting, convened
00:04:48by the president and this
00:04:51informal meeting resulted exactly in this atmosphere, it
00:04:54is important to clarify this, because many versions came out,
00:04:58unfortunately false. In the subsequent days, until
00:05:01today false
00:05:05versions are still coming out about this meeting. In that meeting
00:05:08I made, as is my style, this thoughtful speech.
00:05:13About the preservation of the image of the court
00:05:17and I therefore made a suggestion that Your Excellency accepted and I want to once
00:05:20again thank you for the removal from the conduct of the
00:05:24case, now these are
00:05:27two distinct things, one thing is what was there, another
00:05:30thing is the report, this report never, I
00:05:33explain Mr. President, this fact because this will be in my vote
00:05:37shortly when it is
00:05:40my turn to vote. This Federal Police report
00:05:44was never considered by the collegiate, it
00:05:47is important to emphasize this, because shortly,
00:05:51when I give my vote, I will bring up this
00:05:54fact, eh, therefore, there was a monocratic archiving by
00:05:58the eminent minister Fakim, he archived
00:06:01it and, therefore, eh, at some
00:06:04point, perhaps the collegiate needs to consider this
00:06:07circumstance, just for Minister Tóffle
00:06:10to agree with Your Excellency. Regarding the facts as
00:06:14they occurred, thank you very much. Minister Dino, allow me to read
00:06:18just so we can agree on the best
00:06:21interpretation, because I might be mistaken about article
00:06:24133 of the rules. Each minister
00:06:27may speak twice on the matter under discussion and
00:06:31more than once, if necessary, to explain the modification of the
00:06:34vote. No one shall speak without the authorization of the
00:06:38president, nor interrupt whoever is
00:06:41speaking. Except for interjections when requested and
00:06:45granted. Your Excellency understands that this final part refers to the
00:06:48rapporteur. Mr. President, I understand, as has always been understood in
00:06:52the court, that an interjection is directed to whoever has the floor, right?
00:06:55It could be, of course, that at some point we change the rules, but for
00:06:59now, it's this. I now understand Your
00:07:02Excellency's position. Thank you, Mr. President. You're welcome,
00:07:06Minister, I ask for permission to withdraw. You're welcome, Your
00:07:09Excellency, please feel free, thank you. Your Excellency. Especially since Your Excellency has
00:07:13an election, right? Minister Toffle, Your
00:07:17Excellency granted the interjection to Minister Flávio Dino,
00:07:21you're welcome, I just reiterate to Minister Flávio Dino that
00:07:24the report was archived
00:07:27as soon as it was received by the presidency due to
00:07:30the absence of evidence of
00:07:34any illicit event, and this
00:07:37archiving, it, to the extent that Your
00:07:41Excellency determined the distribution
00:07:44exclusively by allegation of
00:07:47suspicion, it is because no
00:07:51type of illicit act was found, and in this sense, it was
00:07:54indeed analyzed, even if in an
00:07:57informal meeting, there is a note from the 10 ministers and
00:08:00signed by the 10 ministers, stating that
00:08:04in the elements contained in the report published on the website of the
00:08:07Supreme Federal Court, no evidence was
00:08:11found of the need
00:08:14for suspicion, but
00:08:17given the attitude of Minister Dias Toffoli,
00:08:21including, if my memory serves me right, the note cited the
00:08:23greatness of the attitude,
00:08:27he withdrew from the
00:08:30redistribution, the presidency archives the
00:08:33report, notifies the Attorney General's
00:08:36Office, which declares itself informed and that it will not
00:08:40file an appeal, so... from a technical,
00:08:44formal point of view, this report is res judicata,
00:08:47besides the fact that there would be several issues,
00:08:50evidently of nullities, because that was
00:08:54a completely apocryphal investigation, outside of
00:08:57the records, done, not
00:09:00as findings within an existing process, but
00:09:04as a true illicit
00:09:07investigation, Mr. President and
00:09:11in view of this, "I understand that,
00:09:14as I have expressed in the panel, for
00:09:18suspicion, not and I reinforce
00:09:21not because I feel
00:09:25impeded, but for suspicion for intimate
00:09:28forum, for the preservation of the court in view of eventual
00:09:32speculations, even knowing about the final judgment,
00:09:35I declare my suspension to
00:09:39participate in this judgment
00:09:42and..." "I will not withdraw, because I have the right
00:09:45to follow the session and stay
00:09:48here following the session and
00:09:51also, if necessary, to make use of
00:09:55the floor, I will do so, you're welcome,
00:09:57Minister, therefore, Your Excellency will not participate in the
00:10:01judgment of, will not participate as
00:10:04a participating minister of the quorum for appreciation
00:10:07and deliberation, as for the content of what Your Excellency says,
00:10:11I understand that it is not..." It is exactly this matter that we are
00:10:15debating here at this moment. Minister Gilmar
00:10:18Mendes asks for the floor. Mr. President, I
00:10:21received, you sent, Your Excellency.
00:10:25an official letter from
00:10:28Minister Flávio Dino, eh, through
00:10:31the electronic system, and I'm now distributing
00:10:35it
00:10:38eh to Your Excellency to the ministers Gilmar
00:10:41Mendes is speaking at this moment, we will now take the mandatory break, then you will
00:10:45continue following this historic judgment, see you
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00:16:03we're back, we continue our coverage of this historic judgment in the
00:16:07Supreme... Federal Court. At this moment, Minister Gilmar
00:16:10Mendes is speaking. We remind you that Ministers Cássio Nunes Marques
00:16:14and Dias Toffoli said they will not
00:16:17participate in the vote. Nunes Marques said the reason
00:16:21would be because he is president of the Superior Electoral Court. Toffoli, on the other hand, says the reason is
00:16:24personal, but he will
00:16:28follow the session in person
00:16:32and may even speak.
00:16:35Nunes has already left the session and
00:16:39of course we continue to follow, the expectation is whether
00:16:42more ministers will declare themselves fit
00:16:46or not to vote. We also followed a bit earlier
00:16:50the report, right, presented by the minister
00:16:53also rapporteur of the case Edson Faquim, so let's remember here
00:16:57right, how the process happens, the report has already been
00:17:00read by the rapporteur, Minister Edson Faquim, and
00:17:04we may also have soon, right after.
00:17:37it started a little after the time we had said, right, that it would start a
00:17:41little after 10 a.m., the first to speak was the
00:17:44President of the Supreme Federal Court, who is the rapporteur
00:17:48of this case being analyzed today, Minister Edson Faquim,
00:17:52he began by reminding that there is not an easy path to resolve
00:17:55this situation, that it is necessary to follow the
00:17:58constitution, respect the institution,
00:18:02the Supreme Federal Court, including for those who
00:18:05preceded them and those who will
00:18:07succeed them here in the Supreme Court, then he read
00:18:11the report, a summary of the report
00:18:15of this case. Subsequently, Kelly, after
00:18:18presenting this summary of the case, some ministers asked
00:18:22for the floor. The first to ask was Minister Nunes
00:18:25Marques. He declared himself impeded from voting in this
00:18:29case, alleging that he is president of the Superior Electoral
00:18:33Court at this moment, at this pre-election moment, so he declared
00:18:36himself impeded. Subsequently, the next to ask for the floor was
00:18:40Minister Dias Toffoli, who has already been
00:18:42investigated for suspicions of involvement between
00:18:46him and the banker Daniel Vorcaro, so he said he
00:18:50would declare himself suspicious for personal reasons, he said
00:18:54it's not an impediment, but suspicion for personal reasons. Minister
00:18:57Diastoffoli declared this, but remains in the plenary
00:19:00following the session, following the session. Minister
00:19:04Cássio Nunes Marques left the plenary of the
00:19:07Supreme Federal Court, remembering that at this moment, the Court, which
00:19:11normally has 11 members, at this
00:19:13moment, has only 10 members, because at
00:19:17the end of last year, Minister Luiz Roberto Barroso left the
00:19:21court and this vacancy is open, it has been open
00:19:25for almost a year, so there are 10
00:19:28ministers currently here at
00:19:31the STF, in the Supreme Court, before the start of the
00:19:34judgment there was an expectation
00:19:37whether ministers Alexandre de Moraes and André Mendonça would sit close because their
00:19:41chairs in the plenary are next to each other, there was this
00:19:45expectation whether today there would be a change of place so that they would not
00:19:49be so close to each other, but they remain in
00:19:52the session in the place they always occupy, sitting
00:19:56next to each other, we continue to follow
00:19:59this session that Kelly, there is no time prediction
00:20:03for this session, the reading of the report did not have an expectation of
00:20:07how long it would last, after the ministers speak, as Minister Gilmar
00:20:11Mendes is now speaking, after they speak,
00:20:14it should be the turn of the Attorney General of the Republic, there is also
00:20:17no delimited time for this exposition, for this
00:20:20explanation, after the positioning of the Attorney
00:20:24General's Office, then the president
00:20:28and rapporteur of this case, Minister Edson Faquim, returns to
00:20:31read his vote and only then, the ministers
00:20:34should vote in this case. A curiosity, Kelly, is that
00:20:38normally on Tuesdays, at 7 p.m., a
00:20:42session of the TSE, of the Superior Electoral Court, is held. This session is
00:20:46scheduled for today, inclusive, and generally, on Tuesdays. The
00:20:50plenary session of the STF ends
00:20:52around late afternoon so as not to clash with the time
00:20:56of the TSE session, but today there is no such
00:20:59prediction of when this STF session should end,
00:21:03Kelly? That's right, we continue following, it's a historic moment,
00:21:07right? We are here broadcasting everything in real time. Lívia, thank you very much
00:21:10for the information, good work, any news just call. And
00:21:14Minister Gilmar Mendes continues speaking, let's hear a snippet, please.
00:21:18Impartiality. as an indispensable
00:21:21attribute to the legitimacy of
00:21:23jurisdiction. In this sense, by obstructing the
00:21:27choice of the judging body, the constitutional text not only prohibited
00:21:31the assumption of a case in progress before another court,
00:21:35but also forbade the assumption of the
00:21:38process distributed to
00:21:41the chosen
00:21:43rapporteur. It could not be otherwise, as the
00:21:46distribution by lottery constitutes an instrument by which the
00:21:50abstract jurisdiction of the
00:21:53court is converted into the concrete jurisdiction of a specific
00:21:56judge. It is the lottery that within the court
00:22:00realizes the guarantee of the natural judge,
00:22:03making it impossible for anyone to choose who
00:22:05will judge. At this point, a reflection is
00:22:08imposed.
00:22:11If the 1988 Constitution repudiated the avocatory action, even when
00:22:14exercised by this Supreme Court, in relation to
00:22:18different courts and tribunals, with much greater reason
00:22:22it should repudiate the displacement operated without any normative
00:22:25support within the court itself. It is well
00:22:28true, I
00:22:31must say this with full transparency, Minister
00:22:35Joaquim, that through official letter 003,
00:22:38MGM, I suggested to Your Excellency that you attract PET
00:22:421662
00:22:45to the presidency, with the purpose of delimiting the
00:22:49object of the judgment. I also recommended the consolidation of
00:22:52the processes, PET 1662
00:22:56and PET 16 704, in
00:22:59the form of article 82 of the Code of Criminal
00:23:02Procedure. The suggestion mentioned, however,
00:23:05did not aim for Your
00:23:08Excellency to definitively assume the
00:23:12rapporteurship of such procedure, but merely
00:23:14to consolidate it with that one conveyed
00:23:18in PET 167. 304 for joint instruction and
00:23:21judgment, all through a
00:23:25preliminary
00:23:28order. As for that point, I emphasize, in this sense, the
00:23:31natural consequence of these premises is to
00:23:34advance on the path already initiated by the presidency, which
00:23:38is,
00:23:39to define
00:23:42that before any judgment, related cases must be consolidated and organized,
00:23:46as well as necessary
00:23:50evidentiary measures concluded.
00:23:52Only then, through adequate and rational preliminary
00:23:56proceedings, would the elements for appreciation by
00:23:59the plenary be precisely delimited. This is in my official letter
00:24:03003 and we also had conversations
00:24:07regarding this matter. It can thus be seen that
00:24:10at no time did I consider that the president of this court should
00:24:13permanently assume the rapporteurship of PEP
00:24:171662.
00:24:20He could not do so, precisely because the internal rules of this Supreme
00:24:23Court determine the distribution of cases that arrive at this Court,
00:24:27with the exception of the exhaustive hypotheses of
00:24:30registration with the presidency. The official letter I
00:24:33sent to the presidency aimed at the adequate
00:24:36instruction of PET 16
00:24:38662 with the designation of joint
00:24:42judgment with PET 16704,
00:24:46with the distribution to be made by
00:24:48lottery among the members of the court for both
00:24:51cases, all in accordance with the rules. Thus, the
00:24:55initiation of a process and the determination of its registration with
00:24:58the presidency, outside the hypotheses outlined exhaustively
00:25:02by the rules of this Court, evidences the
00:25:05adoption of a procedure incompatible, in my view, with
00:25:09the echo and distance that the judge must maintain from a case
00:25:12subject to his jurisdiction. In
00:25:15effect, the presidency ordered ex officio the institution
00:25:19of PET. 6 704, a procedure in which
00:25:22not only elements extracted from these very
00:25:25records are discussed, but also issues raised in Inquiry
00:25:284.781, PET
00:25:3216704 thus bears a relationship of
00:25:35continence with the present PET
00:25:381662, from which it extracts
00:25:41a portion of its own object. In this relationship of
00:25:45continence there is an unavoidable
00:25:48consequence. "the presiding minister is part of the
00:25:51process and also has his decision questioned now
00:25:54in this document brought by Minister Flávio Dino,
00:25:58Minister, your Excellency grants a part, Mr. President, your Excellency
00:26:01authorizes Minister Vilmar to grant me the part, the irony
00:26:05is between the lines, without a doubt, your Excellency, I thank the President, the
00:26:09irony serves to lighten the atmosphere, your Excellency knows
00:26:12that, Aristotle. Mr. President, again I greet your
00:26:16Excellency and everyone,
00:26:19and to make two explanations, the first is why I
00:26:23addressed this communication to
00:26:26the senior minister, it's because of the rules,
00:26:29eh, as I explained just now, justice
00:26:33can only be realized
00:26:36according to due process of law, every
00:26:40time we deviate from that, Brazil witnesses
00:26:43disasters, from the mudslide of
00:26:471954, the false accusations against Juscelino
00:26:50Kubitschek, the coup of
00:26:5364 and other disasters, so
00:26:57moderation, prudence, I say this in the
00:27:00communication as republican virtues
00:27:03extolled again by
00:27:06Aristotle, with the law as
00:27:08a guide, the norm as
00:27:11a reference, and that's what distinguishes
00:27:15a judge from a vigilante,
00:27:19a judgment from a massacre, look, at this
00:27:23point someone, uh, thinking
00:27:26only with a key that is not legal, the
00:27:30dual key would be like this:
00:27:33no, it's either a massacre or it's
00:27:36impunity, our mission is
00:27:39precisely to show that there is a civilized
00:27:42path,
00:27:45without which there is no legitimate state activity,
00:27:49why, Mr. President, I raised the point of order to the senior minister,
00:27:52because points of
00:27:55your Excellency's actions, because with
00:27:59due respect, they are not provided for
00:28:03in the Constitution, nor in the Code of Criminal Procedure, nor in the Organic Law of the Public Prosecution Service, nor in the
00:28:06rules, this creates a
00:28:10paradoxical situation, we
00:28:14are a court, guardian of
00:28:17the law, and that's why we cannot judge
00:28:20anyone, whether any of those present
00:28:23here who tomorrow may be in that situation or a
00:28:26citizen, if it is not in the terms of
00:28:29the law,
00:28:31of course, your Excellency is the author of the acts I
00:28:34challenge, Minister Alexandre
00:28:38is a party to the cases, following,
00:28:41therefore, the rules, Mr. President,
00:28:43Vice-Dean,
00:28:45I submitted to the Dean, Mr. President, because I myself reasoned with your
00:28:49Excellency, we have a complex situation,
00:28:53as Minister Juma just described,
00:28:56so complex that the agenda,
00:29:00the agenda we received from the court's secretariat,
00:29:04the published agenda
00:29:06brings as rapporteur Minister André, it
00:29:09says, rapporteur Minister André Mendonça, it's
00:29:13here, there was no
00:29:15redistribution, there was no, there was no
00:29:18publication of an agenda with the redistribution made, so much so that the
00:29:22agenda that is here, delivered by your
00:29:25Excellency, says that the rapporteur is Minister André, when
00:29:29I here I thought he was going to make the report and that... I mean,
00:29:32Mr. President, that in my opinion it had to be him
00:29:35indeed, that's the
00:29:38point, your Excellency took over five
00:29:41processes,
00:29:44three of André's, and one of
00:29:48Alexandre's,
00:29:50it happens, Minister Gilmar is here, Minister Carmen, Minister
00:29:54Fucs, it's that avocation was
00:29:57banned among us since the
00:30:00Constitution. there is avocation,
00:30:04avocation among equals, your Excellency's robe
00:30:06is equal to mine, your Excellency is the president, I am
00:30:10more modern, therefore, of lower symbolic
00:30:13hierarchy, but your Excellency's robe is
00:30:15equal, why is it equal? Because this is a court of
00:30:19equals, being a court of equals, we have to
00:30:23follow the rule that governs the relationship between
00:30:26equals, what does this rule say? In
00:30:30no court in the country, none, not only in the
00:30:33Supreme Court, can a president remove a
00:30:37rapporteur,
00:30:39because if he does, Mr. President, see the responsibility of
00:30:43whoever wears a robe and
00:30:46I know all sides, this is not a place for those who seek
00:30:50applause, this is not a place for those who seek
00:30:53popularity, this is not a place, my friend Nelson
00:30:57Jobim used to say, to make a biography, this is a place to do
00:31:01justice, justice due for