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00:04:02on Link News, following the session of the Supreme Court
00:04:05that will define whether Alexandre de Moraes
00:04:09will be investigated by the Court? Let's follow the
00:04:12compartmentalization of information, it could be nothing,
00:04:15but something robust
00:04:18could come, I understand, making a prior
00:04:21value judgment that it did not come
00:04:23in relation to the Attorney General
00:04:27and I did so based
00:04:30on two provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the judge of
00:04:34guarantees,
00:04:37the judge of guarantees that we judged in this plenary of the
00:04:40Supreme Federal Court, he
00:04:44says article 3a
00:04:47of
00:04:54the judge of
00:04:55guarantees,
00:04:59sorry.
00:05:04Article 3A, it ended up having a
00:05:08conform interpretation with the Constitution, in the
00:05:11judgment. that we deliberated in this
00:05:15Supreme Federal Court, essentially saying that
00:05:19the fact that it
00:05:22was foreseen that the accusatory model must be respected,
00:05:26this does not prevent the judge from
00:05:29making requests or requesting diligence
00:05:32and article 3b, item
00:05:3610 expressly
00:05:38states
00:05:41that the judge... In the analysis of his, in the
00:05:45performance of his responsibility, the
00:05:48judge of guarantees is responsible for the
00:05:51legality control of the criminal investigation and
00:05:54for safeguarding individual rights, whose
00:05:58franchise has been reserved for prior authorization of the
00:06:01judiciary, being competent, especially, item
00:06:0510, to request documents
00:06:08and reports and information from the police
00:06:11chief. about the progress of
00:06:14the investigations and it was strictly this that
00:06:18I asked, strictly this, at
00:06:22least Minister Alexandre himself, Minister Flávio
00:06:25Dino, and Minister Cristiano
00:06:29Zanin, said in their
00:06:32pronouncements so far, we don't have a clear
00:06:35procedure,
00:06:38we don't exactly know how to proceed, what was the
00:06:42only... security I had was to follow the Supreme's precedent
00:06:45regarding the judges of guarantees,
00:06:48not because of Minister Alexandre, but because
00:06:51of a situation that could, in theory,
00:06:55implicate or not, the Attorney General of the
00:06:57Republic, I strictly
00:07:00complied with the Supreme Court's
00:07:03precedent, until recently
00:07:07in these discussions
00:07:10there was.
00:07:12an announcement of an article signed by three great
00:07:15lawyers and associated jurists of
00:07:19IASP, Dr. Toron,
00:07:22Dr. Hamilton Dias de Souza, Dr. and
00:07:26professor at USP, Renato de Melo, Jorge
00:07:28Silveira, in this article
00:07:32published,
00:07:35if I'm not mistaken, in Folha de São Paulo,
00:07:38yes, in Folha de São Paulo.
00:07:42Eminent jurists say: it can be argued that once
00:07:45identified, once the interlocutor is identified, the
00:07:48investigation should have ceased, but the
00:07:51contrary thesis is serious, an
00:07:54isolated communication can be misleading and requires context, that's what
00:07:58was needed, what is the context of this conversation? who is the
00:08:01interlocutor, is it a lawyer, is it a third party? I
00:08:05myself was surprised during these issues with a
00:08:08lawyer, in quotes, selling
00:08:11influence. I had gone to buy a suit, I had to present a receipt,
00:08:15I had to present my
00:08:18credit card bill from 2 years ago that I had to look
00:08:22for to say: no, I paid for my
00:08:26clothes, out of context
00:08:29statements can generate
00:08:32pretexts, and we cannot have
00:08:35pretexts, for example, I understand that
00:08:39there would be pretext
00:08:43the Attorney General, from the elements that I have, it would be a
00:08:46pretext,
00:08:49very clear, there is none, oh,
00:08:53participated in an event, okay, this is something that,
00:08:56in quotes, all of us, to some extent, are in social
00:09:00situations, now what I
00:09:04imagined would be in relation
00:09:07to the people who had the identification there, comes
00:09:10a... more abundant
00:09:13argumentation that we need to analyze
00:09:17and in fact I made no value
00:09:20judgment, I forwarded and should
00:09:23forward, that's
00:09:26why
00:09:29I understand that we are here to analyze this
00:09:32question, now
00:09:35a procedure was adopted based on the
00:09:38precedents and in a situation
00:09:42of... a fact that was not in the documents, in any
00:09:46specific document, an
00:09:48express reference to Minister
00:09:51Alexandre,
00:09:54thank you, before the break and before the Attorney General, it's the last
00:09:57statement, I just checked the time, maybe we should
00:10:01continue, because at this point to take a
00:10:04break and there are two votes left to be
00:10:08cast, the statement of Dr. Paulo
00:10:10that I already announced for the third time.
00:10:14President, look, the debates show more and more the
00:10:18connection, the need for everything to be
00:10:21properly investigated together. Minister.
00:10:25André said, open quotes, my
00:10:28advisors brought two messages without
00:10:31identification, pardon Minister
00:10:34brought, let's go, they brought information from the
00:10:37information, this from the
00:10:40documents, analyze if there's anything pending for us
00:10:43to evaluate, and this President and uh shows
00:10:46the selectivity, because all of them allow me
00:10:50to continue, I listened with full attention to your Excellency, your Excellency has
00:10:54the floor to speak. This, this confirms President
00:10:57report
00:11:01uh stated and here I repeat the need to hear
00:11:05who spoke the differentiated treatment between authorities of equal
00:11:08situation, different from what was stated when the advancement
00:11:12of lines related to different authorities reached by the
00:11:16complicity operation zero, despite
00:11:19similarity of stage of elements. As for Minister
00:11:22Alexandre de Moraes, the rapporteur's speech. denotes
00:11:25interest in the beginning of a formal investigation against
00:11:28him, having requested more than once that the
00:11:32investigation team forward some
00:11:35provocation to him in this regard, since no
00:11:39provocation was forwarded, because there was
00:11:41nothing, neither from the police nor from the Attorney
00:11:44General, my advisors brought,
00:11:48that is, an investigation ex officio here,
00:11:51Mr. President, before handing over to your Excellency,
00:11:55look,
00:11:57just look at the IPJ and understand a little
00:12:01about technology, there is no
00:12:04message that refers to Paulo and Andrei,
00:12:08there is a text of notes in the notepad
00:12:11that by inference is inferred to have
00:12:15become a message, there is no message
00:12:18on the seized cell phone and we are
00:12:22now uh with the cell phone too, thank you.
00:12:25President, President, I need, excuse me, I know time,
00:12:28sorry, Dr. Paulo, I propose, of course I will grant your
00:12:32Excellency the floor, but as we are deciding here, I know that the topics
00:12:36end up being intertwined, I will hear your Excellency, then the
00:12:40Attorney General of the Republic with the permission of the other colleagues, who makes
00:12:44a preliminary analysis of the issues that are in the processes are the advisors, the
00:12:47minister doesn't have time to keep
00:12:50analyzing, no one went to look for information, we
00:12:53have the documents. we have the records and we have to analyze the
00:12:56records, that's what we
00:12:59have, the IPJs do make
00:13:02references, forgive me, Dr. Paulo,
00:13:06but they make express references to your Excellency's name, to Andrei
00:13:10Rodrigues' name, it says that it probably
00:13:13would be Your Excellency and Andrei
00:13:16Rodrigues, but they do it in the notepad, there
00:13:20is no, there is no screenshot of the message,
00:13:24it doesn't exist. not in the screenshot, Minister Alexandre, let me get here
00:13:28from the notepad, just read the IPJ calmly, I'll get
00:13:32it later while my colleagues vote, I'll bring your thank you very much
00:13:35Of course, Dr. Paulo, although your Excellency did not make the
00:13:39statement, but I believe the statement is important
00:13:43especially since your Excellency is the Attorney General of the Republic, thank
00:13:47you very much, Mr. President, Mrs.
00:13:49Minister Carmem Lúcia, gentlemen Ministers, gentlemen lawyers.
00:13:53given uh I would like to make a
00:13:57point here that seems very
00:14:00important to me, in view of the mention of my
00:14:03name to the position of Attorney General of the Republic,
00:14:07also the Attorney General of the Republic can only be
00:14:10investigated after the
00:14:14authorization of the proper body of the
00:14:17Federal Public Ministry,
00:14:21but I am happy that Minister André
00:14:25Mendonza has recognized. that there was nothing
00:14:28in what was collected that could
00:14:31induce any illicit practice by the
00:14:35Attorney General of the Republic, I would like to make this clear
00:14:37to avoid uh misunderstandings,
00:14:41if objective, there
00:14:44is none, nor did I have a close
00:14:48relationship with Mr. Vorcaro, the
00:14:52only meeting I had with Mr. Vorcaro took place with
00:14:55several authorities in April
00:14:582024, the only
00:15:01call intermediated by
00:15:04a lawyer was very brief and
00:15:07trivial,
00:15:09ah, in fact,
00:15:12the result of the IPJ only points to
00:15:16messages without any legal
00:15:18relevance, ah, before and
00:15:21after the action of the Federal Public Ministry. in
00:15:25the first instance and in the Supreme Federal Court,
00:15:28it was always for the total
00:15:31clarification of the facts for the success of the
00:15:35criminal prosecution. whoever
00:15:37analyzes the facts without bias, will see that the Public
00:15:41Ministry, in exercising its role as holder of the criminal
00:15:44action, was precise and
00:15:47was correct,
00:15:50thanking once again Minister André Mendonça for the
00:15:53reference that he
00:15:56made to me regarding the absence of any doubt that
00:15:59Your Excellency has about the integrity of the work of the
00:16:03Attorney General of the Republic, I thank you for the floor,
00:16:06thank you. Mr. President, just to make a reference, Dr. Paulo, I
00:16:10try to be fair, no one would want to be
00:16:15duty,
00:16:18and so, we can even evaluate if oh, I shouldn't have done that,
00:16:21maybe today knowing the facts, it's impressive, Mr. President, that a
00:16:25person, uh, of the stature of
00:16:28Paulo, of Paulo
00:16:31Gonê suffers this type of inference, that,
00:16:35that indeed is recklessness. That indeed is
00:16:38recklessness, the subject invested with a
00:16:42police sentiment along with
00:16:45his del, now that I have the floor, he has no right, Gilmar,
00:16:48I ask your Excellency it's impressive
00:16:52it's impressive the brazenness of this subject, the
00:16:56brazenness of your Excellency, Minister
00:16:58André, respect, Minister André, it's not a joke, I'm not
00:17:02crying, there's no crying here, Minister
00:17:06respect, Minister. if your Excellency with all due
00:17:09respect, doesn't take action, I'm going to ask for
00:17:13a view, no, I just need to clarify, it's
00:17:16impossible Minister
00:17:19Faquim, please, the police power
00:17:23of the session is up to your Excellency, it's true, we
00:17:27are speaking in terms that degrade the image of the
00:17:30court, if so
00:17:32in these
00:17:34terms, Mr. President, they are not, Minister, your Excellency. trying
00:17:38to calm down, your Excellency has been watching this for
00:17:41hours, for hours on my part,
00:17:44Minister Dino, your Excellency has been
00:17:47watching for hours that is transforming the
00:17:50supreme, in the coming weeks,
00:17:54that is months in this
00:17:56debate, if your Excellency is going to watch
00:18:00this, I am not, because I am a
00:18:03public servant of this country and I have respect for it, so...
00:18:07President, I make once again an appeal, what your
00:18:11Excellency, your Excellency's conduct is
00:18:15leading to this debate that Your Excellency has just
00:18:18witnessed, being prolonged for
00:18:20months, months, your
00:18:24Excellency witnesses that I have conducted
00:18:27as much as possible, and this
00:18:30situation that is set derives from your Excellency's
00:18:34conduct, it is your Excellency's conclusion, I am
00:18:37informing your Excellency that your Excellency is leading the supreme to
00:18:41remain in this degrading way from a technical and
00:18:45ethical point of view for months, I only make this patriotic
00:18:49and fraternal remembrance to your Excellency, it is your
00:18:52Excellency's conclusion, your Excellency requested a
00:18:55view, no, I just wanted to finish before he evaluates, I am
00:18:58asking for a view to present,
00:19:01I have to interrupt this situation
00:19:04because we have a point of order, we do not have... conditions
00:19:07to deliberate, the climate is only getting worse,
00:19:11society watching, contrary to the rite that the law
00:19:15commands, Mr. President, with all due
00:19:17respect, I don't care if there will be on my Instagram
00:19:21or on my Facebook thousands of
00:19:24messages saying of impunity, of corruption, I have
00:19:28responsibility with this country and 15
00:19:31days before an election, the
00:19:34court exposed itself and see without a period.
00:19:38finally, Mr. President, I think your Excellency did not realize
00:19:41this, because your Excellency, in addition to scheduling this disastrous
00:19:44session, also scheduled it for next
00:19:47week, and in the coming weeks, your Excellency
00:19:50is condemned to schedule dozens of
00:19:54similar sessions and why
00:19:57Minister President,
00:20:00the messages from Minister
00:20:03Fux, the messages from Minister Cássio,
00:20:07regarding Minister André, where are we going to stop?
00:20:11I imagined that your Excellency had
00:20:14thought about this, there is no message
00:20:17regarding, there is no message with me,
00:20:21no, sir, there is none,
00:20:25someone, I had never seen that citizen in my life, I never
00:20:29had a relationship with him, no, your Excellency in one fell swoop
00:20:32your Excellency is basing on these inquiries that arise from
00:20:35nothing. no, I can only
00:20:39clarify, it will have to clarify in due
00:20:43course, unfortunately the mention,
00:20:46unfortunately, thank you, then we will be weeks. thing
00:20:50we will be weeks debating this,
00:20:52so, I reiterate my request for
00:20:56a view, sorry, I
00:20:58record my request for a view,
00:21:01well, so uh, these
00:21:05circumstances being set
00:21:08forth and the request for a view
00:21:10deduced,
00:21:12uh, would your Excellencies like to
00:21:16comment on this formal question? Well then, uh,
00:21:20since there is a request for a view, but even so I will grant the
00:21:23floor and I urge my eminent peers
00:21:27that we can hear the two votes,
00:21:30conclude the two votes and proclaim the
00:21:34provisional result with the request for a view attributed to Minister Fux, I
00:21:38thank you, Mr. President, Minister Luiz Fux, how does your
00:21:41Excellency vote? Mr. President,
00:21:45this question, first of all, it reveals
00:21:49that... there is no provision in
00:21:52the internal rules for this question and
00:21:55thus it is that in omitted cases the presidency
00:21:59of the court should
00:22:02wording of the internal rules. in omitted cases, as it was alleged here that
00:22:06there is no precedent, in omitted cases the
00:22:10president of the court decides. on the other hand,
00:22:13Mr. President, I understand that there is no longer a tenuous
00:22:16connection between these two
00:22:19petitions. one alleges abuse of
00:22:22authority, the other alleges allegedly
00:22:26illicit
00:22:30acts practiced by a member of the
00:22:33court, so there is no longer time and possibility of
00:22:35contradictory decisions,
00:22:38one thing is abuse of authority, another thing is this
00:22:41investigation, on the other hand
00:22:45the connection continence that is spoken
00:22:48presupposes. criminal cases that are at
00:22:52stake, there are no criminal cases, there is
00:22:56no criminal process, it is not
00:22:59an inquiry,
00:23:02what there is is an information that was we continue here with the
00:23:04coverage, here we are already following the session at the
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00:27:51session that will define if Alexandre de Moraes will be
00:27:55investigated by the court, we will follow only by the theme that
00:27:58brings us here that it would have been the a... to
00:28:02be decided, but because this Federal Supreme
00:28:06Court, guardian of the constitution, by determination
00:28:09expressly stated therein, provoked,
00:28:12I think, a civic discomfort in all
00:28:16Brazilian citizens in these last
00:28:19days, I feel and I am speaking
00:28:22only for myself, who speaks for the Supreme Court is Your Excellency,
00:28:26President, I feel a little ashamed,
00:28:29president, at a moment when Brazil
00:28:32is less than 20 days from the election, everyone
00:28:36is focused on issues of the Supreme Court, which are
00:28:40procedural issues in part, with
00:28:43much, eh, much
00:28:46expression and with very serious issues,
00:28:50but we did not guarantee the rigor and serenity that in my
00:28:53role as a citizen and judge I should have perhaps
00:28:57helped more to promote, the judiciary exists to reassure
00:29:01the people and we... generated unease,
00:29:04I think, and this is my perception, I think
00:29:07we ourselves in this Supreme Court
00:29:11intoxicated the feeling of justice of Brazilian citizens
00:29:14in these last days, I
00:29:16these days said to one of my colleagues, I spoke with
00:29:20Minister Alexandre de Moraes, several times,
00:29:23I spoke with Minister André, I spoke with some with Your
00:29:26Excellency, eh I am linked by relations of
00:29:30friendship to some, of collegiality to... others,
00:29:33but I said that I
00:29:37drank from Clarice Lispector's lesson,
00:29:40I did not get lost, but I experienced perdition,
00:29:44because in this sense that
00:29:47the Brazilian people should be concerned,
00:29:51busy, focused on seeing
00:29:54what the general election is, what their destiny is that they
00:29:57want, the only subject I heard in the places where I went into a
00:30:01pharmacy, a bakery... or on the news
00:30:04was always what was happening here and that was not a pretty
00:30:07picture, therefore I wanted, if I eh
00:30:10was remiss, I already said this, to Minister Alexandre, I already said this, to Minister André,
00:30:14I am repeating to Your Excellency, if I
00:30:17as a judge of this house should have
00:30:21acted perhaps with a different posture to have helped more to
00:30:24avoid this, I am apologizing to Your Excellency,
00:30:28apologizing to all my colleagues for not having helped us to...
00:30:32overcome all this more quickly, I apologize to the Brazilian
00:30:36people for perhaps having expected a different posture from me,
00:30:39but I think all of us here wanted the same thing, which was
00:30:43to try to resolve and the issues were not resolved and grew
00:30:47too much, therefore I am apologizing to the
00:30:50president of the Supreme Court, all my colleagues, but to the Brazilian people,
00:30:54because I really wanted to have been better in being able to have helped to
00:30:58calm things down.