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00:00:04Defense of Islamic and national values, preservation of
00:00:07independence, national sovereignty, territorial integrity,
00:00:11and providing better security is our national
00:00:14and Islamic mission.
00:00:44In the name of God, the Great and Exalted, dear viewers, welcome to the Kavosh program with me, Karimullah Ibrahimi. Russia and
00:00:48China at the UN Security Council meeting
00:00:51emphasized the importance of interaction and constructive dialogue with
00:00:54Afghanistan. This shows that some
00:00:58important members of the Security Council consider political
00:01:01and economic interaction as one of the ways to advance the issue
00:01:05of Afghanistan. The representative of Russia
00:01:09called for dialogue based on trust and without
00:01:12pressure and threats, and emphasized that there is no
00:01:16alternative for real and practical interaction with Afghanistan.
00:01:19On the other hand, China also emphasized
00:01:22continuing talks, showing goodwill, and
00:01:26adopting a patient approach, and
00:01:29called for the release of frozen assets of Afghanistan,
00:01:32lifting unilateral sanctions, and resuming
00:01:35aid. We will talk more about this topic
00:01:39here in the program. Fortunately, we are joined
00:01:43here in the studio by Mr. Roman
00:01:46Shirzad, a political analyst, who is present here in the studio.
00:01:49Mr. Shirzad, welcome to the program and don't be tired. Well, Mr. Shirzad,
00:01:53you heard the introduction and
00:01:55you are also aware of such statements from Russia and China.
00:01:59هستین.
00:03:00The great project and
00:03:01also
00:03:04oil wells in the north and
00:03:07various mines in Badakhshan and other places.
00:03:11And on the international stage and in every forum,
00:03:14China has politically and morally defended Afghanistan,
00:03:18and has invited the people to interaction.
00:03:22And this is something that even Pakistan should be forced to interact with us.
00:03:26Other countries do not recognize us.
00:04:00In that forum and in that assembly where Pakistan always
00:04:04defames Afghanistan and on every stage
00:04:08portrays Afghanistan as dangerous, that God forbid it is in these proxy
00:04:12groups and how and why and every action that takes place in Pakistan
00:04:15is blamed on us, there, two
00:04:18countries that also have veto power, which are China and Russia,
00:04:21defend us well. People then call it lobbying,
00:04:24that the countries of China and Russia
00:04:27are with the government of Afghanistan.
00:05:00It suggests that other countries might instigate them. However, for China,
00:05:03the policy of the Islamic Emirate is very
00:05:07moderate, economy-
00:05:08oriented,
00:05:11inclusive of the region and the world. Because China
00:05:15is confident, China has no fear of us, of our government, of our ruling power, of
00:05:19our people, no kind of disruption.
00:05:21On the contrary, it defends our security. This
00:05:25is a pleasing thing. Our relationship with China
00:05:28has economic benefits,
00:05:32security benefits, and also inter-state
00:05:35relations, and internal relations
00:05:39between us. And also, Muslims
00:05:43breathe a sigh of relief. Other countries that are still,
00:05:47despite their efforts, not ready to interact with Afghanistan and the Islamic Emirate,
00:05:50what do you think they are afraid of?
00:05:54You said that powers like China and Russia
00:05:57no longer have fear from Afghanistan. What fear do other countries have? For example,
00:06:01they don't have independence. If they do, China is an
00:06:04independent country and the world's leading economy. Russia is an independent
00:06:08country. You saw, Mr. Ibrahimi, that
00:06:11Russia, despite dangerous pressures
00:06:14from Europe, America, and
00:06:16the West, as a very brave
00:06:20and courageous neighbor, recognized us without
00:06:23any hesitation.
00:06:26Recognition might have led to Russia facing
00:06:29more pressure. And it did. You
00:06:33saw with Bulgaria and Poland
00:06:37there was an incident.
00:06:40A dangerous war in Ukraine.
00:07:12You saw the war between Houthis and Saudi Arabia, and
00:07:16secretly America and Israel, and
00:07:18on the other side Iran is involved, and it is a war of interests,
00:07:22not a religious war. If we say that between Saudi
00:07:25Arabia and Houthis, it might have a religious aspect, because
00:07:29the Houthis, God forbid,
00:07:32might intend to seize the Kaaba, since the time of Abraha.
00:07:35However, the point here is why Russia interacted with us.
00:07:39Russia has a strategic thought that
00:07:43the future of Afghanistan is important in global events. Now
00:07:47you saw that the senior intelligence
00:07:50representatives of Turkey and Qatar came to Kabul.
00:07:53This in itself is a retreat, and this is another great achievement.
00:07:57And you saw that
00:08:00Pakistan's negative propaganda, which defamed
00:08:04Afghanistan in every international forum, has almost failed, and
00:08:07it is a miracle that Pakistan
00:08:10is forced to return to us in its triple
00:08:14alliance with Turkey and Saudi Arabia, because that alliance is incomplete
00:08:18without the existence of Afghanistan. It is incomplete.
00:08:21And also, they say,
00:08:24he who has nothing himself, what can he give to others?
00:08:28For example, if you don't have a single rupee in your pocket, what can you give to others?
00:08:32This is the point, that praise be to God, Afghanistan is moving towards
00:08:36betterment. But the problems we have internally,
00:08:39with our shortcomings, we are human.
00:08:43We should fix them, deal with poverty and hunger, deal with unemployment,
00:08:47so that the enemies of Islam and the country do not
00:08:51misuse our youth and our people.
00:08:54Perhaps some of
00:08:58the soldiers of our old army or
00:09:01Arbakia or Blackwater or the zero and two
00:09:04plot, I'm not saying all of them. Pakistan uses them.
00:09:07For example, we saw in the media, we saw in something else
00:09:11that in Chaghi Balochistan and its surroundings,
00:09:14the Pakistanis themselves did not file a complaint against them, and the martyr
00:09:17(witness) from their own people, they themselves said that
00:09:20these are some Afghan soldiers who search Pakistanis,
00:09:24harass them, and they want to use
00:09:27these soldiers on two fronts. That's the point.
00:09:31We are not promoting what they say, either against us
00:09:34or against the Baloch people who are fighting for their freedom.
00:09:38Yes, professor, you said in your speech that
00:09:42at least Russia has a correct understanding of the region or of Afghanistan.
00:09:46Russia has correctly understood what the realities within Afghanistan
00:09:50or outside of it have been over the past five years. Now the fundamental
00:09:53question is why at least
00:09:57Western countries and Western powers like America have not reached
00:10:00a similar understanding to Moscow.
00:10:02America is hiding behind the scenes.
00:10:06In Pashto, we say its heart is pounding.
00:10:10Its heart is like this, you might have a saying
00:10:12that its heart wants it.
00:10:16It says, "My heart and my desire." The arrival of Zalmay Khalilzad
00:10:20about a week or a week and a half ago is a clear message.
00:10:24The statements of the then
00:10:27Secretary of Defense, who said that there should be interaction with Afghanistan,
00:10:31is another witness. And the statements of that
00:10:35Afghan-American representative, that woman,
00:10:38Wahab Ayesha, Wahabla,
00:10:41is another good news that she said there should be interaction with Afghanistan.
00:10:45Even a representative from the US State Department
00:10:48also came to Kabul recently. The Russian representative
00:10:51was heard in your news in
00:10:55the United Nations. Russia said
00:10:57that the withdrawal of the unarmed America
00:11:01from Afghanistan is responsible for all these crises
00:11:04that are happening. For example, we are under a cruel Western siege.
00:11:08For five years, the unilateral Western
00:11:11siege has been imposed on us, and it has not yielded results.
00:11:15Even if they continue for 50 years, the Islamic Emirate
00:11:18will not surrender to such Western demands,
00:11:21for example, to give me Bagram or Shindan.
00:11:55The Islamic Emirate has semi-official
00:11:58relations and interactions with a hundred countries, which make up
00:12:02half of the world, with 8 billion people, of whom 2
00:12:06billion are us. It has no problem. They are the address
00:12:09of the problem. America does not say it
00:12:12in words, but in practice it has agreed to interact.
00:12:16Well, what is the reason for this subtlety that you mentioned, that it is still not ready
00:12:19to declare or take practical steps? What is the reason?
00:12:23Because events...
00:12:55We say you respect our interests, we respect your interests.
00:12:59There should be balance. And in politics, it is very
00:13:02important to give something and take something.
00:13:06Give me half, I'll give you half.
00:13:10We have proven to the world with this moderate interaction
00:13:13that these countries are not willing.
00:13:17Well, why did the special representative of Turkish intelligence come?
00:13:20This is also a type of interaction.
00:13:55Two subtle issues remain: one is external, one is internal. The internal
00:13:59issue is that we Afghans should tolerate each other. Even someone who is an opponent
00:14:02should see the system, and it has opened its doors,
00:14:06and it should open them more. For a council or
00:14:09a meeting, let's say, even if it's not official,
00:14:13it should be under the leadership of the Islamic Emirate, under the approval of Amir al-Mu'minin,
00:14:16may God protect him. A council should be held to consult
00:14:19on strategic matters and other Afghans should feel
00:14:23that we are also here.
00:14:25We have all tribes and ethnicities in our system.
00:14:29One internal issue is to eliminate poverty and unemployment.
00:14:33Security should be a priority. Alongside
00:14:35security, food security, bread, and
00:14:39water must be provided. This Kabul will face
00:14:42a major water crisis and other issues
00:14:45in 3 years. We must prepare for that. The river
00:14:49bringing water to Kabul from Panjshir is another issue.
00:14:52Iran and Pakistan should pay close attention to this.
00:15:25It seems that every year, when the issue of Afghanistan is discussed
00:15:28in the UN Security Council, we witness that a meeting
00:15:32is held every year.
00:15:35However, it seems that some countries or powers do not
00:15:38rely much on Russia and China within the Security Council
00:15:42and the United Nations in all the meetings that are held about Afghanistan.
00:15:46Their perspective is not similar to that of China and Russia,
00:15:49and overall,
00:15:52some countries
00:15:55like America do not rely much on such
00:15:58statements from Russia and China.
00:16:02Ibrahim, here there are two points. One is that America is afraid
00:16:05that we might become a strategic
00:16:08friend and ally of Russia and China.
00:16:12If we do, this will be very bad news for the neighbor and
00:16:16America and others. We should understand
00:16:19our internal politics. The other point is that
00:16:23the presence of China and Russia in the Security Council, Mr. Ibrahimi, what benefit
00:16:26does it have? That every protocol and
00:16:30decision and decree that is issued from it, if it is against us,
00:16:33they veto it. This is a great document.
00:16:36If even the presence of China and
00:16:39Russia does not lead to our recognition, the fact that their presence
00:16:43provides a strong global, political, and diplomatic
00:16:46defense, this is a great gain. Without us spending
00:16:50a single cent, a single cent of our
00:16:53money, two great countries
00:16:56are at our service for the international credibility
00:17:00of Afghanistan. There, Pakistan does
00:17:03all its wickedness against us every day.
00:18:07The demands of the nation. Listen carefully,
00:18:10day and night, this is a great jihad. May God reward
00:18:14you, for this country was saved first by the help of
00:18:17God, then by your jihad, from the Americans
00:18:21and NATO. Let's
00:18:24export these workers abroad. The Qatari government
00:18:27last year asked us for 6,000 workers.
00:18:31Is 6,000 little? We should send 600,000, 6 million.
00:18:35We should send technicians as well. These are the things that build a
00:18:38country. Yes, let's not starve. Starvation
00:18:42after occupation is the most dangerous thing that threatens us.
00:18:46Sir, at the beginning of your speech, you mentioned one
00:18:48point, you talked about Russia and China and said that, first,
00:18:52regarding the importance of Afghanistan's geography, you said that
00:18:56because there is a greater dependence of most regional countries like Russia and China,
00:18:59it makes more dependencies for China and Russia within
00:19:03Afghanistan, stemming from geographical importance.
00:19:06Now,
00:19:08the question is, do Western countries and Western powers also have such dependencies
00:19:12within Afghanistan internationally, meaning such dependencies, or are we only dependent
00:19:16on other countries to come and interact with Afghanistan?
00:19:20Absolutely, the dependence is two-sided.
00:19:23وابستگی دو طرفه است
00:19:26For example, what we give, we take.
00:19:29This is trade. We say interaction.
00:19:33The Prophet says that religion is a transaction.
00:19:36This transaction has two meanings. One
00:19:39meaning is that we must have interaction with each other.
00:19:42Even a Muslim can trade with a Jew. There is no problem with this.
00:19:46And one transaction is the ethics of a Muslim.
00:19:49When a Muslim interacts, they should interact ethically.
00:19:53This speech we have with the nation, with our security organs, we
00:19:57who are you, you should have good interaction with your people. This interaction.
00:20:01America to the extent that if we need
00:20:04America 60 percent, America
00:20:07needs 40 percent.
00:20:11If we need Russia 80 percent, Russia needs
00:20:1490 percent, 80 percent, 70 percent. Why Russia?
00:20:18Because we have raw materials. A country that has untapped
00:20:21mines is needed by America, Russia, and China.
00:20:25Let's interact. The current system in
00:20:28Afghanistan, which is under the Islamic Emirate,
00:20:32is an independent system. It is human,
00:20:34and it has its shortcomings. It is going well
00:20:38in the initial stages. It is very good. There are minor issues that
00:20:42we need to address internally and
00:20:45another issue that is related to foreign countries.
00:20:48If the demands of foreign countries
00:20:51do not contradict the great values
00:20:54of Islam and the nation, we, as a nation,
00:20:58ask the Islamic Emirate to compromise a little
00:21:02in that case. It's not a problem.
00:21:05Give me half, take half. We take it, and
00:21:09then we don't even disagree.
00:21:12Some considerations that foreign
00:21:15countries have, we should study them.
00:21:18The considerations that we have, we should boldly tell
00:21:22our neighbors and the world that we also have considerations.
00:21:25If you are not sure of your security,
00:21:28we are not sure of our food security, our health security,
00:21:32our defense security, our international and diplomatic
00:21:35security. You are unsure about one thing, we are unsure about a hundred things.
00:21:39Let's sit down and have a dialogue,
00:21:42present our points. We tell America,
00:21:45America should understand that we fought a very honorable
00:21:49war against it. It was our right,
00:21:52whether in international law, whether in Islamic
00:21:55law, whether in human rights.
00:21:59Today, it is about interaction. If China can come,
00:22:03why can't America come? If
00:22:05why
00:22:08do we respect the interests of China and Russia? Because our closest
00:22:11northern neighbor is Russia, it is completely intertwined with us.
00:22:15And our Islam does not prevent us from interacting with
00:22:18neighbors, whether they are Jews or Christians, whether they are Orthodox
00:22:22and Catholic and Christian
00:22:24and Protestant and Buddhist and Zoroastrian and whatever
00:22:28they are, Islam does not say that we should not have human interaction
00:22:32with them, we should not have trade, we should not have good interaction,
00:22:35we should do good to them, because the call to Islam comes
00:22:38from goodness. This Islam that
00:22:41we talk about, it did not go to the East by the force of the sword,
00:22:45it went by the force of invitation and love. Muhammad bin
00:22:48Qasim, if
00:23:58In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:24:00الرحیم.