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00:00:48Welcome, I'm John Kiriyaku and this is the deep state.
00:00:51Here on the deep state we go deep into stories that the mainstream media
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00:01:02of going after the deep state. I want to bring on now Tim
00:01:05Gordon. Tim is a
00:01:07of popular Catholic YouTuber, and he hosts the show rules for retrogrades. He's
00:01:11also the author of a whole bunch of books.
00:01:15How has your legal training shaped your view of,
00:01:19well,
00:01:20of American constitutional order, American society, even our
00:01:24political system today. Yeah, I went to
00:01:28the place where I could study the... most constitutional law becuse i
00:01:31was working a phd a pontifical school in Rome.
00:01:35my first daughter was born there with, but many brain
00:01:39surgeries needed, so we we came home and
00:01:42a i put aside the
00:01:43of PhD for the time and i
00:01:44was like, guess i'll need to do something kind of related to making arguments,
00:01:48of so i went to law
00:01:49of school, of but didn't really want to just do normal law, so i went to the
00:01:53place where i could study the constitution most cuuse do love the American constitution,
00:01:57even though that's out of fashion now, even among right-wingers.
00:02:00particularly catholic sort of dissident
00:02:02in right-wingers, they they they think it's
00:02:05of they don't think there's anything redeeming about it. i love
00:02:07of the
00:02:08of
00:02:08in constitution, i love constitutional history, and the beautiful
00:02:12thing about the US constitution that no one sings
00:02:15anymore is that
00:02:19it, really up until the civil war
00:02:23in it really and truly was a partly consolidated and a partly confederated
00:02:26document. now um this this is a
00:02:30term that um Madison uses in federalists, I think 39 and 51,
00:02:34where if you look at
00:02:37of what of the articles of confederation were, which I like, that
00:02:40was purely confederation,
00:02:43of confederation, photus is latin term meaning treaty government, basically the kind of government
00:02:47where it's just league of friendship that you you band together during
00:02:50wartime, for example under the the articles of
00:02:53confederation for those 12 or 13 years when we fought the
00:02:57war for the first half
00:02:58of the
00:02:59of time, "there were really 13 separate
00:03:02countries, and of course I like the size of those 13 separate countries
00:03:06more than a continent-sized republic, it's it's
00:03:08a republican name only
00:03:09of when it's that large, and they they only had one
00:03:12of branch of government, they only had one congress, another treaty government term, congress
00:03:16is not
00:03:16a republic term, it's a treaty gov term, and they met once year in the
00:03:20summer, and the other branches were all just state
00:03:23branches, the judiciary and the the executives were just
00:03:27in gubernatorial, and so
00:03:28of they really were truly..." 100% confederated, 13
00:03:31countries coming together to be a sort of country once
00:03:35year or to fight wars, that's pure confederation,
00:03:39yes, pure consolidation is what i would say
00:03:41in we've of had of after the civil war, the 14th amendment which which
00:03:45was ratified
00:03:47of in 1868 made us purely
00:03:50of consolidated, whatever
00:03:55of you want to call it, it's basically of globalism, terany, under FDR you had like
00:03:58of Washington DC telling blue wheat farmers, they can't, they can't
00:04:02eat their own wheat
00:04:03of 500 miles away, this is pure tyrany, that pure consolidation means you're
00:04:07governed from half a world away, and it's all one
00:04:10consolidated big kind of imperial big government, but
00:04:14the experiment that was truly unique in America, they called it
00:04:17imperio in imperium, was having two
00:04:21layers of government, having a federal layer
00:04:24of the state rule where all the sexy powers were there
00:04:27locally, and national level, from Washington
00:04:31DC where
00:04:31it was just, if you look at article 1, section 8 of our Constitution, these
00:04:35of are the scant 15 or so things that the National Congress
00:04:39was allowed to legislate, they weren't the sexy moralistic
00:04:43powers described
00:04:45of in uh the 10th amendment, everything else was left to the local powers,
00:04:49to the what's at the time was called federal powers, now we use the term an
00:04:53of opposite way, state rule, and it was really remarkable and it really it
00:04:57worked, you know the anti-federalists who are my favorite. the
00:05:00founders warned, well one side is going to preponderate over the other, and
00:05:03it will probably be the national side, which is what happened after the civil war with the
00:05:0714th amendment, but it was really remarkable what these
00:05:11geniuses did, when they took us from the articles of confederation
00:05:15to the constitution which really did have two sort of
00:05:18empires within an empire uh
00:05:22state legislatures within the national legislature
00:05:26ruling people until the civil war so guess ultimately the anti-federalists
00:05:29were right but i would say and i probably would favor something more like an
00:05:33articles of confederation but but to do even the part confederated
00:05:37part consolidated government the first 80 years of
00:05:41constitutional rule would would would suit me,
00:05:45where do you think the disconnect lies between
00:05:49America's founding pr principles and
00:05:52today's catholic church? is there daylight between the
00:05:55two? there, well, there's
00:05:58a lot, that's that's what my book's about, and that's i mean i'm coming out with a
00:06:02documentary about the book, it people believe in their natural
00:06:06rights, life, liberty, property, man, mean that those are that's a that's a catholic
00:06:09idea, um, john john. was borrowing
00:06:13from from Bellaman and Suarez, subsidiarity, what I keep
00:06:17recurring to throughout this entire interview, the local rule, that's a that's a
00:06:21natural law principle, virtue ethics, all of those
00:06:24wasp founders, under Martin Luther
00:06:28rejected the idea of virtue, yes, they um, they all kept
00:06:31saying, doesn't matter how good a constitution you get, unless it's a
00:06:35virtuous people, the constitution is just straw, so they believed in
00:06:39aristotalian virtue ethics, proper church. relations did
00:06:43you john that even after the first
00:06:47amendment was ratified with the bill of rights in
00:06:511791? did you
00:06:52know that they presumed that all the 13
00:06:56states would have an established sect of christianity and nine
00:07:00the 13 did? did not know that a
00:07:04kin to a church of england, you're saying? no, they
00:07:08were, they were, it was up to the state sect of legislature christianity would
00:07:11which be the...
00:07:19um they
00:07:20that so reversed that this a case called Everson versus Board of Ed in 1948, they
00:07:24it was literally um seven or eight freemasons on
00:07:28Scotus, they just said that the first amendment meant the exact opposite
00:07:32of what it ever meant when it says the establishment
00:07:35clause that um shall
00:07:39respect no establishment of religion?
00:07:43this was actually a more often called the disestablishment
00:07:46clause, so congress shall make no law respecting an
00:07:50establishment of religion, what that meant is congress was not allowed to
00:07:54disestablish any the existent state
00:07:57establishments of, check the car facts on that
00:08:01everybody, that that was that was what the first amendment was geared to do, and it
00:08:04always just meant there can be no national branch of
00:08:08christianity, it won't be catholicism, it won't be orthodoxy, it won't be one the 40
00:08:11thousand.
00:08:17Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you, so so is that
00:08:21why we say, oh, back in the day at the at the founding the
00:08:24republic, Maryland was catholic state, Rode Island was catholic
00:08:28state, uh, Massachusetts was puritan state, is
00:08:32that is that what that stems from, absolutely,
00:08:35now interestingly enough, Maryland was
00:08:38not uh an one the established uh
00:08:42Maryland
00:08:46was very catholic, but it did not have an establishment, but yes,
00:08:50the northern states were all some form of
00:08:53covenantalism, and the southern states were all
00:08:57anglican, the ones that had it, it was nine out the 13, and the
00:09:00founders when they wrote, when Madison wrote
00:09:03this, uh, he really assumed that 12 the 13 wouldn't, I think he
00:09:07thought Rode Island wouldn't, but he thought
00:09:10it would be 12 the 13, but those state establish.
00:09:42establishment clause means that the individual states are not allowed to have
00:09:46establishments, no, it just meant there can be no national establishment, a, and
00:09:49b, that the congress cannot disestablish the state
00:09:53establishments, and scootus was doing just what congress was always forbidden to do,
00:09:57to disestablish state establishments, so people have been
00:10:00completely brainwashed to the exact opposite, the diametrical
00:10:04opposite of what the point the first amendment
00:10:06was, we are, we
00:10:10seem to be living in
00:10:25more faithfully or in closer
00:10:28contact with the church their their roots. what do you think
00:10:32the most important habit is for someone trying to live more
00:10:36faithfully a confused age like
00:10:38this? that's interesting. i would
00:10:42say, mean if you're a
00:10:44Christian, what what's been in the water the last
00:10:48five years is? christians are just realizing that
00:10:52the first millennium of christianity. involved
00:10:56bishops in an apostolic lineage, sacr, the seven
00:11:00sacraments, church, you know, that
00:11:03this 90's idea, which only left
00:11:07protestantism standing of, well, I
00:11:11love the faith, but I don't, I hate religion, now you'd even hear a lot of
00:11:15protestants say that, yeah, non-denominationals, it's the exact
00:11:18opposite, people are connecting with again nature, and nature
00:11:22calls us to worship, so actually worshipping the real
00:11:26presence the eukarist is the first thing we're called
00:11:30to, there's really, mean if you think the difference between the
00:11:34actual apostles and you and
00:11:36i, they got to walk with Jesus, now they got
00:11:40to be around him, well so do you and in the
00:11:44form of your eucharistic devotion or echaristic
00:11:48consumption with the blessed host, and
00:11:52it it definitely i'm sure phenomenologically feels a little different. than it did to
00:11:55walk with Jesus, but people are understanding
00:11:59now that just reading
00:12:01the the the true stories in the new testament of
00:12:05Jesus is not enough. okay, so that's that's,
00:12:07I mean, I guess I kind of answered slightly different question than you ask. that's okay, that's why
00:12:11there's this flooding of former protestants into
00:12:15apostolic Christianity, whether orthodox or catholic. okay, and the
00:12:19way the way that an orthodox or catholic can stay close to
00:12:23his faith is one, to practice the sacraments, which
00:12:26really,
00:12:27you know, you don't, you don't go get rebaptized, you don't go get
00:12:30reconfirmed, but the practice the sacraments means a a
00:12:34daily pattern, a quartidian pattern
00:12:37of confession, communion, confession, communion,
00:12:41mean a weekly pattern at least, right, you need to go to confession to
00:12:45receive communion, you need to be receiving communion, that keeps you a state of grace and it's
00:12:49just easier to be good, yeah, and any any
00:12:52practicing christian will tell you it makes it easier to be
00:12:56good,
00:12:56and then of course, to follow the commands, faith without works is
00:13:00dead, but I would say the practice the sacraments is what
00:13:03keeps apostolic Christians faithful,
00:13:07and it's what's attracting non-apostolic Christians into our
00:13:11ranks. Yeah, I think that's probably
00:13:15true. There is debate taking place
00:13:19mostly in the state of Michigan today, to to slightly lesser
00:13:23extent in the state of New Jersey. among Muslims, American
00:13:27Muslims, American citizens, and the debate is over whether or
00:13:30not Muslims, or whether or not Islam allows
00:13:34Muslims to participate in the political process, of course it
00:13:37does, but this is something
00:13:39that is being genuinely debated, how do you think Catholics should
00:13:43be engaging in politics without becoming consumed by
00:13:47partisanship? Is it possible for Catholics to be
00:13:51on both sides a system that is... is
00:13:55really a
00:13:55duopoly? well,
00:13:59it is. mean, not, not in the sense that it would the direct sense that it would
00:14:03be in the days the holy roman empire, but in a real
00:14:07sense, i'll give you answer that's consistent with the
00:14:11themes and even the the diction of earlier parts of
00:14:15this interview. so what more
00:14:19evils the 14th amendment, right? 1868, 14th
00:14:23amendment, is whereas
00:14:27or um, hopefully none these words get your your channel a strike or
00:14:31anything like that, but um, contraception, yep,
00:14:35abortion, uh, prawn, as they call it on the
00:14:38internet, sodomy, gay marriage, take these five things
00:14:42right, that that that no christian should be
00:14:45supporting, directly or indirectly,
00:14:49yeah, those were in red
00:14:51states legislatively outlawed, as anyone could
00:14:55imagine, they were not allowed in 30 to
00:14:5935 the states depending on the issue, literally, i i'm going
00:15:03through it now, contraception, abortion,
00:15:06pornography, sodomy, gay marriage, so at
00:15:10the level the so-called culture war, um, what the left did is
00:15:13they used the 14th amendment which really supplanted the constitution, which
00:15:17allowed states to decide for themselves, you know, to
00:15:21regulate health, welfare, safety, moral, security,
00:15:25those states de decided for themselves, well what the 14th
00:15:28amendment did through the jurisprudence
00:15:32was it literally made it illegal to
00:15:36illegalize? those things across all 50 states,
00:15:39i don't if you knew that, i once debated josh hammer and he said, oh,
00:15:43i'm like you,
00:15:43i don't like that, i said, no, you believe in um, something like Adrien
00:15:47Vermel's constitutionalism, you have to own these things even if you don't like them,
00:15:51literally, the case, grisweld versus
00:15:54connecticut in 1965 banned the
00:15:58banning of contraception in all 50 states, so the
00:16:0230 to 35 states where it was illegal to have
00:16:06contraception, they banned the... banning and grisweld under 14th amendment
00:16:09jurisprudence in 1969 stanley versus
00:16:12Georgia they banned the banning through this case
00:16:16supreme court case of pornography in those red
00:16:20states where
00:16:20it was illegal they made it illegal to illegalize it 1973 of course ro
00:16:24did did the same ban the banning of abortion uh
00:16:28what is it 2002 or something was lawrence versus
00:16:32Texas they banned the banning of Sodomy in the red states
00:16:35and in Ber think was 2015, they
00:16:39banned the banning of gay marriage in those states, so this is what I keep
00:16:43talking about. A Catholic has to just look at that that
00:16:47beautiful encyclical that we have by Pope Pius the 11th in
00:16:501931, very famous because it enshrines the
00:16:54foremost catholic political principle,
00:16:58which is called um subsidiarity, which means it was beautiful,
00:17:01it was really well enshrined in the American Constitution prior to the 14th
00:17:05amendment. It enabled... red states, which is where you or
00:17:09i should try to live to bring our families, our wives and children, to
00:17:13decide for themselves. there wasn't one national policy on these
00:17:16five obvious Christian evils? well, the Supreme Court,
00:17:20being masonic, um, one by one in court cases
00:17:24und did that, they banned the banning these things, so I think it's it's not
00:17:28larpy at all to understand the way the constitution actually works, it's not
00:17:32larpy at all for catholic or an orthodox or a protestant to
00:17:35say, this is bad, it should... more than legal, it should be
00:17:39great, especially a red state for all the,
00:17:43majority 60 plus% the people to say, we don't want
00:17:47contraception, abortion, sodomy,
00:17:51gay marriage, etc. um, and and that's
00:17:54that's the kind of stuff that that people need to not only know their faith for, but they
00:17:58need to know the constitution and the workings of federalism in
00:18:02order to accomplish. yeah, you are quite a
00:18:06prolific writer, What books are you working on right
00:18:09now? Right now I am working
00:18:12on, I've also become a filmmaker and I'm I'm working on
00:18:16doing for my first book Catholic Republic which I've been talking about quite a bit
00:18:20today into a documentary, have some uh big backers on
00:18:24that, I won't I won't say who yet, but it's a similar project
00:18:28to what I did with regard to my book, the case for patriarchy, I i turned
00:18:32that one into the um now Candace Owens film called What woman is, you
00:18:36can go see it on Candas owens. com is basically that
00:18:40book turned into an hour and a half documentary, i'm i'm working
00:18:43on doing the same with uh my book catholic republic explaining lot the
00:18:47things we've talked about here today um
00:18:49i wrote five books in five years uh so i got kind
00:18:53of burnt out and uh you know so now i'm
00:18:57i'm taking a different thing and i i have a podcast that
00:19:01i go three times a week on youtube
00:19:03you know rules for retrogrades timothy gordon so it keeps me pretty busy with
00:19:07my
00:19:07kids and my wife, what do you hope
00:19:11readers or listeners are able to take away after
00:19:15hearing you speak? when you when you go out there, especially
00:19:19at universities, what is the message that you hope
00:19:22lands the best with
00:19:24people?
00:19:27just act natural. you, I'm from Bakersfield, California, Buck
00:19:31Owens, once saying Act natural, that you know the philosophy, having the
00:19:35proper philosophy of nature enables us to...
00:19:39like we've kept recurring to traditional where where it's
00:19:42natural and to pray for tradition when it's out of our hands
00:19:45to you the old alcoholics anonymous prayer
00:19:49to to change what we can to as as hope
00:19:53people become retrogrades dissident
00:19:56right-wingers to turn back the clock where we
00:19:59can and give it give it to Jesus
00:20:03where it's truly out of our hands but lot is in our hands and to take
00:20:07back over their families, be lot more involved in in both
00:20:11in positive ways in their families and um
00:20:15understand that you know the the kind
00:20:18of dispensationalism that took over evangelical churches all across America
00:20:22over the last century was co-attended by kind of
00:20:26feminism and um nominalism and a view
00:20:30of um all you know men and women are the same you know men aren't leaders
00:20:34women can be leaders that kind of stuff that has kept men from reaching
00:20:38out and claiming what's rightfully theirs
00:20:40and it's messed up whole generations of people to not have strong loving
00:20:44fathers that are very hands on and
00:20:47and um and sweet help
00:20:51meet mothers that are hands on a completely different
00:20:55way, so they can really that's where they can really make a big difference, and when it
00:20:59comes to um politics and culture, vote with
00:21:03your feet, get to red state and pray that American
00:21:06federalism comes back where the states really have
00:21:10self-determination as they were intended to do, that's that's all you can do and
00:21:14pray and and live in the sacraments. I'm glad that you brought
00:21:17up the idea of documentary. I'm I'm
00:21:21working with a prominent catholic filmmaker right now on on two
00:21:25documentaries, one is on the the history
00:21:29the Christians of Gaza, this is something
00:21:32that I think most Americans don't know is that there has been
00:21:36a Christian presence in Gaza for 2000 years, there aren't
00:21:40a lot of Christians, it's between 1 and 2%, but if
00:21:44the population of Gaza is 2 million,
00:21:47we're talking about as many as 40,00. Christians, that's that's
00:21:51a lot of Christians in a small
00:21:53space, um, has it been your
00:21:57experience, Tim, that Americans don't know
00:22:01about the history of Christianity and
00:22:03the and the wide array of Christian communities around the
00:22:07world, or even more specifically the Middle East, and one the other reasons that I bring
00:22:11this up is just this, just this past
00:22:15week, the city of Tehron, the
00:22:18the capital of. had the grand
00:22:22opening,
00:22:23there was a soft opening earlier, but the grand opening of
00:22:26new subway station called
00:22:30Virgin Mary station, and there's a statue of Virgin
00:22:33Mary, there's a bronze plaque there, telling the story the
00:22:37Virgin Mary, something the most Americans don't know is happening in
00:22:41Iran. um, wow, what, what are your
00:22:45experiences as you cross the country meeting with young
00:22:48Christians? "especially with young Catholics,
00:22:52so I assume orthodox Christians also attend your talks,
00:22:55are are are people aware that these ancient Christian communities
00:22:59still exist? yeah, I think orthodox
00:23:03are more, I do have an orthodox following are more aware
00:23:06of it, Catholics are becoming increasingly aware of it with the
00:23:10conflict in Iran, yes, over the last three
00:23:14years, and they need to become more aware of it. I mean, I was a church history
00:23:18teacher for 10 years." and mean we aren't catholics
00:23:22aren't even aware their rich
00:23:24history and qu europe
00:23:28let alone the middle east so and of course they're so
00:23:32underrepresented there christians that it's really good work think
00:23:36i think i can guess which filmmaker you're
00:23:39working with to make that one and that man what an important
00:23:43documentary that should be because when when
00:23:46americans have been caught up in the false higalian dialect. of who do you
00:23:50support muslims or jews in the middle east, it's like
00:23:54christians is who i want to support in the midd
00:23:57and i don't care protestent orthodox catholiced
00:24:00any christian in the middle east is on my team and that's who i want
00:24:02to support and that's the the dollars and love and
00:24:06prayers that i want to send over there so
00:24:10it is interesting though that if you compare i didn't
00:24:13know that there was the holy virgin mary train station
00:24:17in terron but they the muslims do... i will say think she
00:24:21is the holiest woman, they think she was the mother a
00:24:25virgin, perpetual virgin, they think she was the mother - they rightly believe
00:24:29she was the mother the messiah, they just of course um
00:24:33don't believe that that uh the messiah was also god, but but they
00:24:37have and it's in it violates shariya law in most their countries
00:24:40to say something nasty about um
00:24:44mary, so it's it's it's interesting and many
00:24:48many converts come into... from our
00:24:51lady of Zetoon, Egypt, they have a
00:24:54profound love that's very workable toward
00:24:58conversion in regard to blessed Virgin
00:25:01Mary,
00:25:03and thank you for watching,
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00:27:40loud, the debates are fierce. Now it's time for
00:27:44closer look. Know the policy, understand the impact.
00:27:48America first, with Scotty
00:27:49NV.
00:30:33as well as several cargo ships in the black sea come under
00:30:36attack. we have some distressing footage coming up
00:30:39next.
00:30:48no safe space left in Ukraine. kiev's mobilization
00:30:52enforces brutally assault a teenager in Odessa beating his
00:30:56girlfriend as they drag the 19-year-old out of a stopped vehicle.