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00:00:00own lands
00:00:00of and uh that's as Israel's national security minister sees
00:00:04Palestinian territories as nothing but real estate
00:00:08and openly calls for locals to just leave their homes
00:00:11voluntarily, just a quick warning, up next we're going to show some
00:00:15distressing images. Gaza is a
00:00:19real estate arena. I want to
00:00:21of a refugee to leave voluntarily, I don't want to send them
00:00:23of anywhere. The conditions are not good there for some
00:00:25of them, correct? I have no problem with this. I'm
00:00:28of humanitarian, okay? I'm doing the... favor, I'm getting them out of here, I want them to say to the
00:00:32world, look, there's a solution. Well, amids the
00:00:36statements from BenGir and other Israeli top officials, Washington
00:00:39remains silent, but if someone tries to speak out against Israeli
00:00:43actions, that's when the United States is very quick to shut those
00:00:47of voices down. Quite possibly one
00:00:48of the
00:00:49a world's most famous journalists, Tucker Carson, addressed exactly this
00:00:53as the guest on the program going underground. Now, the latest segment
00:00:57of the hard hitting interview is here on party later this
00:01:01hour, but here's a preview, so meanwhile
00:01:05we have tens of millions of people here
00:01:07a illegally, not not much has been done to change that, but criticize
00:01:11Israel and you get as legal
00:01:14in immigrant deported, as a college student or someone with a
00:01:17of job, it's um, yeah, the whole the power
00:01:20of the US government has been harnessed on behalf
00:01:24of
00:01:26of Israel, and I never thought I would say that, I can hardly believe it's true, but
00:01:30is true and I'm not quite sure what to make of it, I don't know what the end game
00:01:34is exactly, I don't how we
00:01:36of walk back from this, I've never seen a more
00:01:40aggressive display of identity politics, identity politics being the idea that
00:01:44certain groups have more rights than others, there's never been a more anti-american idea than
00:01:48that our system, the whole promise of our system, that is the
00:01:51operating thesis
00:01:53of the administration, we defend Israel, anyone who criticizes
00:01:57Israel must
00:01:58of be destroyed, I mean Trump's... attacking me, not that I care, but it's just
00:02:02it's sort of remarkable to me, given how well I know him, how well
00:02:06I've always gotten along with him, given how
00:02:09of you know how much I've supported him over the years, I criticized Israel and
00:02:13like that's it, but Israel is is foreign country, so
00:02:17criticizing Israel is no more morally significant to an American than criticizing
00:02:21Madagascar or Spain, it's just it's it's another country,
00:02:25you can have any opinion you want on it, but no, no
00:02:27longer.
00:02:31of Now
00:02:32of again
00:02:32this episode as in just few moments right here on RT
00:02:36International. Meanwhile from our news team in Moscow. Thank you for keeping us
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00:02:52of
00:03:03of December,
00:03:061947, Rome, Michael Libert, leader
00:03:10of the Ukrainian nationalist militant wing, hides out
00:03:13in a safe house. He's in panic. He's just learned that the poles are
00:03:16looking for him, seeking vengeance for wartime atrocities committed
00:03:20in Poland. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union is pressuring Italy to
00:03:25in extradite him for collaborating with the Gustapo and for his role nazi
00:03:28crimes.
00:03:36but liber was rescued by the Americans and swiftly taken safety, first to
00:03:40Germany, then the United
00:03:41States, all on the direct
00:03:45orders of Alan Dallas, one
00:03:47of the most powerful men in US intelligence.
00:03:51Despite US counter intelligence files describing as a
00:03:54Ukrainian fascist saidist and
00:03:56of nazi collaborator, Dallas needed men. exactly like
00:04:00him. At the time, the recently formed central intelligence
00:04:04of
00:04:04of agency was developing a plan to establish an
00:04:07of anti-Soviet underground movement in western Ukraine. This would be the
00:04:11of Fledgeling intelligence agency's first major operation against the
00:04:15Soviet
00:04:16of Union. Just months
00:04:20earlier, on July 26th, 1947, Harry Truman
00:04:24signed the National Security Act to establish the
00:04:27of CIA.
00:04:32"the organization that helped libid and hundreds of other Nazi war criminals
00:04:36escaped the doc and noos by giving them jobs in the U.S.
00:04:41of instead. I would think a large and
00:04:44of a large emphasis after the creation was the counter the Soviet
00:04:47Union. the Soviets never really, never
00:04:51really,
00:04:51of of really threatened the west. I certainly believe that the
00:04:55West is responsible for the start and the continuation
00:04:59of the cold." This war would drag on for
00:05:03decades, but the decisive battles would not be fought with tanks,
00:05:07war planes and under artillery thunder, they would manifest in
00:05:10clandestine shadows. by men in plain
00:05:13clothes. It's true that the cold war was
00:05:16largely waged by intelligence agencies determined
00:05:20to try to weaken and undermine the other
00:05:23side.
00:05:52In the warm spring of 1945, it felt as though world peace
00:05:56had come for good. They are the ture reunited with each
00:05:59other and with all peace-loving nations, buse the
00:06:03idea of lasting peace will become a reality. Peace
00:06:07and endure only so long as humanity
00:06:11really insisted. on it and is willing to work for
00:06:15it and sacrifice for it. It felt as though that would always be
00:06:19the
00:06:19case.
00:06:46'but these were mere flashes of rare warmth and light amidst the
00:06:50icy darkness of emnity between the two poles of 20th century
00:06:54world order. why did the
00:06:57peace so many had longed for give way
00:06:59to new protracted war? at what point did the
00:07:03post-ward take fateful turn? which decisions and
00:07:07most importantly people shaped that course of events? let's
00:07:11start at the very'.
00:07:12beginning.
00:07:20In December, 1947, shortly after its creation, the
00:07:23US National Security Council issued directive
00:07:264A. It defined America's enemies and outlined
00:07:30how they should be fought. To plan and conduct within
00:07:34available funds, covert psychological operations designed to counteract
00:07:38Soviet and Soviet inspired activities. It
00:07:42was. operation or directive which included psychological warfare, that
00:07:45includes, part of that includes
00:07:48distributing documents,
00:07:51pliers, um, infiltrating
00:07:55groups
00:07:57um to um to try to build and and and
00:08:00question the settlement, basically trying to influence people's perspectives
00:08:04their own countries.
00:08:08many now believe the Hollywood line that the USSR was the first to...
00:08:12engage in the long-running confrontation with the CIA and
00:08:15MI6, but that is far from
00:08:17true.
00:08:26It wasn't until 1952, five years after the CIA's
00:08:30creation that Stalin initiated intelligence and counter intelligence
00:08:34reforms. Two years later, that culminated a new name
00:08:38for the service, the KGB, by which time
00:08:42start. had
00:08:42died, and as for
00:08:46the KGB, they felt they were defending Russia, which to an
00:08:50extent, of course they were, but by the
00:08:53mid-1950s, the CIA had already launched a large scale if
00:08:57covert offensive on multiple fronts. In
00:09:001948, US intelligence launched the first phase of
00:09:03operation Icon. The objective was to engage with
00:09:07Russian-speaking emigrate communities to counter Soviet influence
00:09:11worldwide.
00:09:15In 1949, as part the new operation
00:09:18Redskin, agents recruited from displaced persons were
00:09:21sent to infiltrate Soviet territory. We dropped
00:09:25people in uh, you lithuanians back into the Baltics
00:09:29and to that place them there as assets of
00:09:33our own,
00:09:34you know, basically promoting pro
00:09:37pro-separatism movements as well, where
00:09:40operation Redskin involved. covert agents infiltrating the Baltic
00:09:44States, the parallel operation Red socks saw armed militants
00:09:48deployed to join the forest brothers who had fought the Soviet authorities
00:09:52since the war ended. The Forest
00:09:56Brothers were known sympathizers and supporters,
00:09:59nationalis basically,
00:10:02and supporters of the Nazis as they came
00:10:05through, anti Soviet
00:10:09elements and they are very alter.
00:10:15Recently declassified documents now reveal that the CIA well knew that
00:10:19it was backing nazis and hardened
00:10:21criminals.
00:10:25members the Latvian legion were faced with the choice of reporting to assembly
00:10:29points and becoming prisoners of war, or taking to the forests and
00:10:32continuing to fight. In this manner, larger and smaller groups of
00:10:36partisans sprang up. The demoralized, but
00:10:40otherwise good fighting groups aim became bandity in all sorts of
00:10:43illegal acts without taking into consideration the moral or
00:10:47patriotic views their victims. These
00:10:51people had themselves uh had fairly bad
00:10:55record and had committed crimes and therefore it
00:10:58was unwise of any western power to
00:11:02actively encourage these groups. Today the Forest Brother's
00:11:06traditions continue with regular Baltic NATO
00:11:09units. The alliance even made a film about
00:11:12it. But the legacy of a struggle by a
00:11:16small force against overwhelming odds lives today in the
00:11:20special forces units of all three countries. All our
00:11:24history. derives from the forest browers, their
00:11:27tactics uh of spreading out to the forest in small groups.
00:11:31Michael Binnon, renowned British journalist spent many years as the
00:11:35Times is correspondent in the Soviet Union.
00:11:39Perhaps more than anyone, he knows the true history the cold
00:11:42war. And who was really responsible
00:11:46for escalating it? Chancellor Helmut
00:11:50Cole. Some the operations carried out when the cold war
00:11:53began, particularly.
00:12:55and the Ukrainian insurgent army,
00:12:57the UPA, played active parts in SS mass reprisals and
00:13:01anti-semitic programs in which more than one and a half million people were
00:13:05brutally killed, primarily jews and poles.
00:13:09even though they supported nazi Germany and supported hundreds
00:13:13of thousands of deaths. we embraced them, we funded
00:13:16them, we trained them, we supported them
00:13:20in order to uh gather information
00:13:23from them to to... supporter countering the soviets. US and British
00:13:27intelligence services began to prepare Ukrainian nazis for sabotage
00:13:31operations against the Soviets as early as the end of World War
00:13:34II. Well, during the war in Ukraine there was a strong
00:13:38pro-fascist element. The United States through the
00:13:41OSS and then the CIA builds up the
00:13:45pro-fascist forces in the post war period, forces
00:13:49around Bandera. Stepan Bandera, the
00:13:52Ukrainian nationalist leader who entered in. an alliance with Hitler's vermacht as
00:13:56early as 1941. In Poland and Israel he's still
00:14:00regarded as a symbol of bloody terror and the genocide of Polish and
00:14:04Jewish people. In Ukraine there are statues of Vandera
00:14:08and streets named in his
00:14:09honor.
00:14:16Bandera, libid and other Ukrainian nationalist leaders
00:14:19mobilized their supporters for the first phase the west operation Cartel
00:14:23against the USSR. which began as early as the late
00:14:271940s, basically a cartel involved in the
00:14:31aerodynamic, but basically those were key instruments
00:14:34to uh to provide
00:14:38assets both in and to nurture assets and
00:14:41to fundranational sentiment within the
00:14:45soviet union along mostly center out of ukraine
00:14:49in those cases create disruptions, however
00:14:53to counter soviet as...
00:15:25становиться по мере возможности членами там сельсоветов, потом
00:15:29Райсоветов, даже вступать в коммунистическую партию, до этого доходило,
00:15:32вот когда начался наша перестройка, развал
00:15:36Советского Союза.
00:16:10have the tools, why
00:16:11to say don't we we just start with stability and business
00:16:14deals, living on man? we have very good
00:16:17propaganda in our press here in Europe. i think we don't know the
00:16:21aftermath. anytime that you're not allowed to ask questions,
00:16:24you should ask all the questions. the more questions ask, the better the answers
00:16:27will
00:16:28be.
00:16:38"now that the Soviet Union has long ceased to exist, and Ukraine is an independent
00:16:42state, western operations against Russia, including its soil have only
00:16:46grown, but now they're not so covert
00:16:48anymore. you now that
00:16:52mr. newland was caught on uh on
00:17:05yeah, clearly, clearly, clear. US influence on on the
00:17:09overthrow of Ukraine. I think there are agents in Washington that want to
00:17:13keep the cold war going because they make lot of money out of it to put it
00:17:17bluntly. I don't think the same group of
00:17:20people are around in Russia, because
00:17:23apart manything else, what do they want? I
00:17:27mean, all Russia wants, as far as I can
00:17:30see, is secure near
00:17:33abroad. That's what every country wants.
00:17:46But let's go back to when it all started. The US Special Services
00:17:50Global Plan required lot of investment and the government spared no
00:17:54expense. If in the CIA's first year of existence its budget
00:17:57was $4.7 million dollars, four years later, at the height
00:18:01of anti-Soviet operations, that figure had grown to
00:18:0582 million. And after World War or two, money
00:18:08was no problem for the White House. The United States ended up as
00:18:12the only great country that had not been touched by
00:18:16war, its factories were in fine shape, its factories in fact have been
00:18:20built up by making production for the war
00:18:23effort. American production doubled during the war.
00:18:27America, the United States controlled half the world's wealth, even more. With the
00:18:31период, собственно, никакой альтернативы доллару
00:18:35как главному расчётному средству.
00:19:07to strengthening Hitler's position in Germany, so it was a really
00:19:11ugly kind of collaboration that is not really understood, not
00:19:15understood very well. A lot of those arrangements have been established
00:19:19through Sullivan and Cromwell, the Wall Street
00:19:22firm that was headed by John Foster Dullis and Alan
00:19:26Dullis. The same two Dullas men, one will become the US
00:19:30Secretary of State, and the other will lead the world's most sinister intelligence
00:19:34agency, the CIA, but they weren't the only ones. keeping
00:19:37ties with Nazi Germany, George
00:19:40Bush's grandfather, Prescott
00:19:43Bush was one the people who was instrumental in that, he had
00:19:47these banking accounts with United
00:19:50Banking uh that maintained the accounts with
00:19:54many the German corporations. Major US
00:19:58corporations
00:19:58were actively working with
00:19:59the Third Reich in the 1930s, but chose not to cut
00:20:03ties, even when the Nazis began to destroy with sadistic
00:20:06fervor. anyone who didn't fit in with their new world
00:20:10order. Montegue Norman, Henry
00:20:14Ford, leaders of American
00:20:16corporations. A lot them were
00:20:19either covertly or openly supporting
00:20:23Hitler. On Hitler's orders in 1938,
00:20:27Henry Ford was awarded the Grand Cross the German Eagle.
00:20:31Nazi Germany's highest honor for foreign nationals. Hitler
00:20:35says at one point, Henry Ford is...
00:20:50profit to gain from fighting it, even at
00:20:54the height of fascism in the 30s, it was the
00:20:57communists that - worried the
00:21:01British, choose nice neutral
00:21:04word, 80 years ago, millions were budgeted
00:21:08specifically to defend against communism, which the Soviet Union
00:21:12allegedly meant to impose on the whole world, the Americans and the British really
00:21:16were afraid of communism and basically
00:21:20isn't
00:21:20that much further advanced is socialism which is uh pretty much through lot
00:21:24of western Europe and France and in Germany and in Italy, they
00:21:28have healthcare, they have lot of state-owned
00:21:31production, they have semi planned
00:21:34economy, but somehow that's
00:21:37fine.
00:21:42in the late 1940s, US and UK authorities worked
00:21:46tirelessly to convince their citizens that communist ideology was...
00:21:50no less than an existential threat to all
00:21:52mankind.
00:21:56in recognizing a communist, physical appearance counts for nothing. if a
00:22:00person consistently reads and advocates the views expressed a
00:22:04communist publication, he may be a
00:22:07communist. since 1947, by Truman's
00:22:11decree, anyone suspected of having communist ties has been
00:22:15barred from public service. in the same year a new
00:22:18law banning. states communist party members from holding senior
00:22:22trades union positions. In few years, this becomes
00:22:26one the most shameful stages
00:22:28of 20th century American democracy,
00:22:30mccarthiism. And even even if there
00:22:34were only one communist in the state department, even if there are only
00:22:38one communist in the state department, that could still be one communist, too
00:22:42many.
00:22:50science and art figures are persecuted, physicists Robert Openheimer
00:22:54and Albert Einstein, writer, Erwin Shaw, singer,
00:22:58Paul Robson, even comic actor and director, Charlie
00:23:01Chaplin. We ruined people's lives, we ended
00:23:05their careers, we arrested them, whether they're
00:23:09American citizens or not, um,
00:23:13and we silence people, basically took away
00:23:16the our constitutional rights essentially. uh right
00:23:20to protest, freedom of speech. One key
00:23:24anti-communist hysteria initiator was FBI director Edgar
00:23:27Hoover, a man literally obsessed since youth with fighting the
00:23:31red menace. Communism in
00:23:34reality is not a political party. It is a way of
00:23:38life, evil and malignant way of life. It reveals a
00:23:42condition a kin to disease that spreads like an
00:23:45epidemic, and like an epidemic, it quarantine is
00:23:49necessary to keep it from infecting this nation. Jadgar, the
00:23:53director the FBI, the Federal Bureau of
00:23:55Investigation. Huver was a controversial person, he
00:23:59was very powerful person, and he really controlled the
00:24:03FBI. He built it up into what it
00:24:05is today,
00:24:08and he, my grandfather would never
00:24:11comment about somebody like that, he didn't, why make
00:24:15an enemy, he was a politician, there no point in
00:24:19making an enemy. unless you have to.
00:24:23It was said that Hoover, fearing attack from the Reds,
00:24:26never entered room with open curtains and kept a loaded gun
00:24:30under his pillow. Sure, he was paranoid, but he was also
00:24:33calculating, and and it was the calculating Hoover who
00:24:37used the power that he had to to blackmail
00:24:40people, to frighten people, much like we saw during the Bush
00:24:44period, when when uh we used the war on terror to
00:24:48scare people. Whether by design or
00:24:51coincidence, it's now believed that almost all fathers the Cold
00:24:54War had serious mental health issue. This is
00:24:58William Wild Bill Donovan, director the US Strategic
00:25:02Services Office. He organized an unprecedented network of
00:25:06secret agents, 16,00 spies around the
00:25:09world.
00:25:14In the 1950s, the ideological father the CIA,
00:25:18Donovan, was hospitalized. with signs of dementia and depressive
00:25:21symptoms. He escaped and wandered around New York in
00:25:25pajamas, telling passes by he'd seen red army troops crossing the
00:25:2859th street bridge in Manhattan. Another CIA
00:25:32founder and creator the U2 Spy plane program, Frank
00:25:36Wisner was diagnosed with manic depressive psychosis in
00:25:391958. Seven years later, during severe
00:25:43episode, he committed
00:25:44suicide.
00:25:49The same. Fate befell US Secretary of Defense James Forestle
00:25:53who was admitted to a special clinic in 1949 diagnosed
00:25:57with nervous and mental exhaustion. During two months
00:26:01of treatment he kept repeating. "the Russians are coming, they're
00:26:04everywhere, then he jumped from a 16th floor
00:26:07window. Maybe they weren't
00:26:10accidents that they got
00:26:12killed,
00:26:14perhaps um, perhaps
00:26:18are, did he really fall to his death,
00:26:22jumping off uh, you know, out the off the
00:26:25building, did he really kill himself,
00:26:28or is that what it looked like? Some the decisions that they made..."
00:26:32"i would have problems living with, but and then again, maybe they started
00:26:36to question too much, and so they got taken care
00:26:39of. the excessive paranoia displayed by
00:26:43the special services and military heads even alarmed President Truman
00:26:47when, on April the 7th, 1950, the National Security
00:26:50Council presented him with report known as NSC
00:26:5468. the 66 page document outlined a global plan
00:26:58to continue militarizing the cold war until the Soviet Union's
00:27:01total collapse."
00:27:06план предусматривал активную деятельность направленную против
00:27:10СССР и его союзников в самых разных областях, начиная от
00:27:13экономики, кончая пропагандой, включая конечно
00:27:17наращивание.
00:27:27allies and
00:27:27The we European would have to place strategically
00:27:31place equipment there. build up forces there in order to
00:27:34counter
00:27:35conventionally. those who prepared
00:27:39the document, which would cost America hundreds of trillions of
00:27:42dollars, did everything to ensure Truman signed the plan that would
00:27:46divide the world into two poles for
00:27:49decades. now it's about 900 different
00:27:52bases around the world, which also plays role in not
00:27:56allowing any other country to come to the stature
00:28:00the Soviet Union. And that's another reason why
00:28:04we're counting Russia, but also Russia's
00:28:07rise. Even though the main objective of that
00:28:10memorandum, the collapse the Soviet Union happened long
00:28:13ago, the main provisions of NSC 68 continue to
00:28:17be imposed. Its key goals have not been annulled to this
00:28:21day.
00:28:31We've discussed the secret. and little known pages the very start the cold
00:28:35war, when it could still have been stopped, but by the
00:28:381950s, the point of no return had been passed, and since
00:28:42then humanity has more than once found itself on the verge of new
00:28:46world war. Koreer in Vietnam saw conflicts
00:28:50between American and Soviet troops, the Caribbean crisis, the Arms
00:28:54race, bloody uprisings in Europe, Espinage
00:28:58wars, the battles for Africa and Afghanistan,
00:29:02and other. terrible cold war episodes, so much truth still remains
00:29:05undisclosed, and some are still with us who could tell
00:29:09it. I came into politics to build a better
00:29:12world, not to be some sort of lick spittle
00:29:16for any pressure groups, I'm
00:29:19pro-human beings, so that
00:29:23is also of course made me very unpopular here, because I
00:29:27say things about Russia everybody say, totally
00:29:30unrepresentative, I say... not, not what I'm saying is
00:29:34what ordinary Russian people want, they want a
00:29:38peaceful world that they can grow up in and grow
00:29:42richer in and leave better world for their
00:29:45children than they had themselves. It's a very, very simple
00:29:49thing.
00:30:25I'm afshanrfancy and welcome back to going underground for the third and final part of
00:30:29our conversation with Tucca Carlson. "you mentioned
00:30:33assassination, the thread of assassination to you, but I
00:30:36mean, and but it is your contention that that your friend
00:30:40Charlie Kirk, it was suspicious, the timing with which he
00:30:43was saying, we're going to allow voices on stages
00:30:47of a turning point USA to attack
00:30:51Israel, and uh, he was being threatened,
00:30:54yeah, uh, after that, well, me, specifically, it was about me,
00:30:58which is the whole thing is kind of..."