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00:00:29Hello and welcome to world's apart.
00:00:32of for years, multitasking or having it all has been praised as
00:00:35both necessity and a privilege
00:00:38of of modern life. originating in the west, it quickly spread
00:00:41around the globe, especially to the fast growing economies
00:00:45of the east. it creates prosperity, but also takes away
00:00:49from the things that can never be fully enumerated, like
00:00:52of family bonds or traditional culture, and the question is, can they
00:00:56to be bridged? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by Cesca
00:01:00Gonzalez, a
00:01:01of Filipino
00:01:02of entrepreneur, pilot, advocate of female empowerment and
00:01:05mother of two. Cheska, it's great to talk to you.
00:01:08a Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for having me. I heard you say in
00:01:12another interview that your professional pursuit of success
00:01:16started with your becoming teenage mom, facing certain stigma and
00:01:20wanting to prove to your parents that you can be something other than a
00:01:23mom, and you've been quite successful at that, but I do want to
00:01:27start with the motherhood part. why do you think
00:01:31raising another human being or two in your case not seem
00:01:35to count as life uh enough of life
00:01:38achievement? it is life achievement for me, honestly if they
00:01:42weren't
00:01:43of here, i wouldn't probably be here as well
00:01:46of and they were really my inspiration. you now, but mean
00:01:49in the Philippines or probably in the world as well,
00:01:52in during the time when
00:01:53i gave birth at 16, they were judging me so much to
00:01:57point that um thought that my life would
00:02:01be this, so my family is very supportive, but my parents
00:02:05were initially also a bit
00:02:08in
00:02:08of me scared of my future because
00:02:10in i
00:02:10of gave birth at 16, and so when when that happened,
00:02:14i thought to myself, you know what, it's not because i want to prove everyone
00:02:18wrong, i
00:02:18in want to prove myself wrong,
00:02:21of that even if i am not, you know, i gave
00:02:25birth at such early age, it's it will not be in
00:02:28hindrance to anything, and besides I've been talking to lot
00:02:32of um young moms as well
00:02:34of before and it just feels so sad
00:02:37that for them it feels like it's the end
00:02:39of the world and for me it felt like it was the beginning of
00:02:43something
00:02:44a great
00:02:44of and so you mentioned the Philippines and I think your your
00:02:47country deeper than perhaps many other nations faces
00:02:51this question of what life success uh
00:02:55parenting support love truly mean because there are lots and lots of
00:02:59women give birth a fairly young age, and
00:03:03there are also many
00:03:04of women who have to leave their children behind and go abroad,
00:03:07yes
00:03:08for work, I think it's more than 2 million who
00:03:12do that, and that often
00:03:13of means leaving their kids, especially when they're young
00:03:17behind, and that's that's not an easy choice, and it also
00:03:21has its own consequences.
00:03:24um, what's your, what are your
00:03:27overall feeling about this personally? 'I feel like
00:03:31it's a necessity for the Philippines
00:03:34a because in the Philippines the the rate of
00:03:38you know the the salaries
00:03:42is really not enough for the family, especially if you're you have a college
00:03:45student or you know a high school student um
00:03:50of studying as kid and it's it's really
00:03:53different when when you're there when you have to
00:03:57decide on should i stay in the Philippines
00:04:01of with my kids and you know we don't have anything eat or should i
00:04:04move to another country but you know my kids are very
00:04:08okay and i think it's we cannot
00:04:12judge anybody just by simply ab just simply
00:04:16by you know choosing what not to do and what to do
00:04:19but at the end
00:04:20of the day you know if there are we're fortunate in such a
00:04:24time that
00:04:25there are a lot of like work from home jobs you know like there are a
00:04:29of lot of... opportunities that actually can that they can stay with their kids
00:04:33a and not go to other countries, but um, being in the
00:04:36reality, we all know that it's really
00:04:39a different um, when you, it's really different when you earn dollars and when
00:04:43you earn pesos, and it sadens
00:04:45me a little because it's i have, i have two kids
00:04:49and when i'm out
00:04:50of the country, i feel like i'm i have
00:04:54this mom guilt, i don't know if um anyone feels that, but there's a mom guilt
00:04:58wherein i should be there. but I'm currently here, but
00:05:01this is for my future and their future as well, just this is not uh
00:05:05to pass any judgments, but in the spirit of uh conversation and
00:05:09dialogue, I think people... when
00:05:13they're facing with various choices, they have to be
00:05:16cognisant the possible consequences and society
00:05:20also has its pressure, so for example if society values being
00:05:24a good provider more than being a mom, which is
00:05:28extremely important not only for your kid, but for the country's
00:05:31development, because your presence with them in the early years
00:05:34essentially structures their entire
00:05:38life's trajectory, so this something like this, if that's
00:05:42m'. out, it's very difficult to compensate
00:05:45later on, so do you think uh, the philippin society or the
00:05:49modern society gives enough of a appreciation to
00:05:53this sort of um invisible and not
00:05:57fully enumerated aspect of human experience, i
00:06:00think it's like motherhood, yeah, i think it's also taken for granted, like when
00:06:04people come to other countries, it's also taken for granted by some by
00:06:08some that when you come to the Philippines you're you're just... like
00:06:12literally dollar sign probably some them the families
00:06:15that i know of, but personally on my case i'm grateful that you know my family is very
00:06:19supportive and that's a different scenario and you know it's it's i'm just
00:06:23lucky that not everyone has this capacity and the ability to
00:06:27have a supportive family that you know even helps
00:06:30in nurturing my kids
00:06:33but in general in the modern society i feel like when
00:06:36you come to point wherein you are the
00:06:40provider it can be it can be both basically,
00:06:44but you just have to intentionally make that life
00:06:47choice of being both as mother and as a
00:06:50provider, and
00:06:53there are a lot of ways probably
00:06:54you know that that you can do, and yeah, well there's also
00:06:58another aspect, at least of your life, apart from being a provider and being a
00:07:02mother, that is being a social role model, especially in your
00:07:06capacity as pilot, you are trained to be a
00:07:10commercial pilot of airbus a32.
00:07:21so technically until now it's 5% the entire world um
00:07:24women um women pilots and i feel like i was born
00:07:28to represent women in such small
00:07:32percentages the industries in in the world like
00:07:36basically i'm an air forces service as well on the air force it's also
00:07:40a pretty especially
00:07:42in the philip there's just few percentage of women as well in
00:07:45blockchain and all these industries that i am in and i feel like
00:07:49i was just born to be representing that and to show
00:07:53women that we can also do that and it's not because the
00:07:57division of women and men but i think it's just in society in general that
00:08:01they just want role model probably and i unintentionally did
00:08:05that that didn't know i was doing it for for people you
00:08:08know heard you say in another interview that when people first
00:08:12learn that you're associated with the aviation industry, they assume that
00:08:15you're a flight attendant and there is a bit of a condescention in
00:08:19that, how do you understand it, why do you think what do you think drives it?
00:08:23i think because when when a woman is beautiful, it's the initial,
00:08:27you know, it's it's either you're beautiful and then you're
00:08:31you're this, they they already have that perception of you, and so it's
00:08:35not bad that they assume that i'm a flight attendant, thank you that because flight
00:08:39attendants are beautiful right, but um, it's also...
00:08:43so in in my case when you know people were like or when i was doing
00:08:46even um a public address to to the aircraft and they weren't
00:08:50seeing seeing me of course bause i am in the cockpit and they were like oh the pilot is
00:08:54woman and i was like the the flight and i was like yeah and then
00:08:58you know they have it's still a stigma there's still a stigma
00:09:02of um this um women pilot uh
00:09:05because we just few and i think just being visible and there's a lot more
00:09:09now uh better number than before. "and I think just
00:09:13being visible out there is having having that
00:09:17face that you're you're a woman pilot, it
00:09:20just clicks on people that ... it's
00:09:24possible. now speaking about the substance of those jobs, because
00:09:28you have an experience of being a flight attendent as well, correct? it is my
00:09:31understanding that um,
00:09:34you know, servicing people on, especially a long whole
00:09:37flight
00:09:38may take more stamina, more resilience, at times a wider skills."
00:09:42then
00:09:43you know operating technology in the cockpit, I don't want to be condescending
00:09:47towards pilots, but uh, my assumption is that it takes, it's
00:09:51it's not just about beauty to be a flight attendent, it takes a lot of work,
00:09:55yes, correct, so um, it's it's tiring physically, and
00:09:59you know, when during emergency you're going to, you're going to to
00:10:02save people, right, so it's tiring physically, but on the other side,
00:10:06which I love about being a pilot is you
00:10:10bring people to to their destination. and you're you're
00:10:14literally holding this 180 lives
00:10:17out there and bringing them to their families and i feel like that's
00:10:21something that you know pilots and our...
00:10:25proud of and at the same time, so is it about the risk, the
00:10:28adrenaline associated with it? for me, yes, I think it's also the
00:10:32adrenaline, and I think it's it's because I wanted to
00:10:36become astronaut before, and probably because astronaut and being a pilot
00:10:40is a bit closer, to that dream, and I think it's
00:10:44also um,
00:10:45you know, being a pilot, you're going to study forever, so I think it's more on
00:10:49the mental and flight attendant is more on the physical and mental,
00:10:53so um, yeah, I... there's there's two different worlds,
00:10:57but i really love the aviation world. is there
00:10:59any difference in terms of style
00:11:03or experience of how women versus men pots do it?
00:11:07would you be able to sense it if you were passenger right now
00:11:10flying such a play? i well i have asked other um
00:11:14passengers,
00:11:15i don't know personally, but probably in in terms the cockpit right, mean girls
00:11:19have this flare right? so it's it's a bit different
00:11:23and from the passenger's point. they said, not on my, not in my
00:11:27words, but from them, that um, when it's a woman,
00:11:31they it's just, it it has different feel to
00:11:34it, so I personally don't know, I haven't felt
00:11:38it in as a passenger, but definitely I feel
00:11:42like uh, in terms of work, ethics and everything, I think there's a
00:11:46lot of difference. I know that you had your break operating
00:11:49commercial jets, but you now intend to transition to piloting
00:11:53private jets. "do you think there's any
00:11:57difference when it comes to wealthy people who can
00:12:01afford to have their own planes about intrusting their lives to a
00:12:05man versus woman pilot? i
00:12:08actually don't know what they think about it, but um definitely there's
00:12:12especially in the middle east cuz i've been doing it in the middle east and there's a
00:12:16smaller percentage than you can think of in in middle east middle east
00:12:20and i think they were happy that i'm i think it
00:12:23depends on your skills." "it really doesn't matter if you're a man or woman so it really depends on your
00:12:27skills, but at the same time the reason i chose
00:12:31going to private jets because the schedule and i want to spend more time
00:12:35with my kids and i feel like that's something the diff the difference between the
00:12:39airline and doing private jets
00:12:41but you know like when it comes to the airline the airline cannot openly tell you you
00:12:45know uh i don't like or i don't trust women
00:12:48so i'm not goingna allow you do that but if you want to
00:12:52do that with private jets if i have my own..." equipment, i
00:12:56can refuse you for whatever reason, don't you
00:12:59think that you will have to deal with this stigma yet
00:13:03again if you if you pursue that? i think if you are are
00:13:07confident enough to you know that that you can do it
00:13:11regardless and
00:13:13you know god has a way of putting you where where you're at, i
00:13:16think that confidence and level of
00:13:19um um safety for you that
00:13:23wherever you are you're meant. be there, so I'm really not
00:13:27afraid, probably because the experiences that I have, right? okay,
00:13:31well, we have
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00:15:25and female empowerment advocate, we talked lot
00:15:29about different sides of female empowerment and this
00:15:33is such
00:15:33a nuanced and complicated concept because "I
00:15:37personally feel that there's a lot of genuine issues there, but I also think that
00:15:41it is often exploited by the
00:15:45conventional and modern culture,
00:15:47to uh encourage women to be what
00:15:51they don't necessarily want to be. Yeah, any case, how
00:15:55do you understand that? Well,
00:15:58I, my family actually wanted me to become a doctor,
00:16:02that alone, even when you were when you your kids, right,
00:16:06people want
00:16:07you to be..." something, people want you to become this and that,
00:16:10and I believe that um, empowering females
00:16:14are, it's not just telling them who you become, it's
00:16:17asking them what they really want to become, because sometimes one person
00:16:21just wants to become a mother, right, and becoming mother for
00:16:25example, it's already an achievement, and I respect that,
00:16:29people should respect what they really want, unless they're, well,
00:16:33but it's also very hard to understand what you really want when
00:16:35everybody. you different things, culture wants one
00:16:39thing, your family wants the other, and you're too young to understand how
00:16:43to figure out, so what i did um when when i was younger, i've
00:16:47tried every single thing that you can think of, like i feel
00:16:50like we have the permission to try out lot
00:16:54of things
00:16:54i always tell this to my kids that you know my my my daughter wants to become a
00:16:58lawyer for example and i said you must but i want to become
00:17:01a i want to do guitar and i want to do this and that i said just do
00:17:05it because sometimes you don't know - the lawyer thing is
00:17:09just because of what the society is telling them or
00:17:13probably in in the social media or something and i tell them that
00:17:16you know it's it should be because you want to try it. the reason
00:17:20i have all these um titles is not because the titles
00:17:24alone, i really want it to become like i just want to try
00:17:27it, is this something that i love? is this something that i want? and
00:17:31probably i think that's what's missing in in in some
00:17:34people, like they just don't want to try because they don't want to risk. I heard you say
00:17:38in another interview that seeing a professional barriers always
00:17:42gets, almost always gets you're excited and you see your life
00:17:46purpose uh to encourage others not to be discouraged, but I wonder
00:17:50if you ever get tired of pursuing all these goals
00:17:53and trying to conquer the world, oh trust me, I i am,
00:17:57like um even when I'm especially when you're alone, when you feel like
00:18:01you're fighting and then you're asking for who, for why, for
00:18:05what, you know, so I think... It's not just
00:18:08because I'm tired, but probably because this is
00:18:12much more bigger than me. I think everything that I do, not just becoming pilot, even
00:18:16for my blockchain advocasies and everything, I feel like it's not just for
00:18:20me, I feel like it's responsibility that was given to me way
00:18:23back by by god probably, and you know everything
00:18:27that I'm doing is much more than what I can handle, and whenever
00:18:31I whenever I have the chance to to ask and
00:18:34you know pray, I was like, is this?
00:18:38is this really what i want because you know or is this really my
00:18:41purpose cuuse i feel like if i don't do
00:18:45this no one would and if someone would
00:18:48probably not in my country or not in this area the world and
00:18:52you know changing one life at least or probably knowing
00:18:56someone that you changed their life is already a
00:18:59success to me so the reason the masking and there may be
00:19:03major cultural differences here but in my circle of uh
00:19:08high achieving women, I see lot of not just
00:19:12hunger, but longing for social non-achievement, for
00:19:16being able to not be efficient all the
00:19:20time, to slow down, not to be inspirational model, to be somebody
00:19:23who is quiet, not very remarkable,
00:19:27because you know I feel like with
00:19:31many with some of my friends, it is as if it's not
00:19:35hard then they don't have a permission to... to pursue
00:19:38it and there are many things in life that are easily available that you don't
00:19:42actually need to fight for, but over time it's
00:19:46hard for women to allow themselves to stop fighting and
00:19:49just enjoy it. was i'm currently actually
00:19:53now in that um i hope that i'm already there, but
00:19:57you know that sometimes slow down and then i feel like there's
00:20:01another thing that like this congress for example like this economic um
00:20:05forum i wasn't planning to be here but but then you know it's it's
00:20:08just um it it I'm representative and
00:20:12I'm here so I don't have a choice but to to do
00:20:16this in my head was like I was tasked to do this
00:20:20so it's it's more of like just inspiring
00:20:23people unintentionally but definitely trust me I want to
00:20:27slow down and I've been slowing down for the past years and you
00:20:30know it's I want to become I want also to
00:20:34feel like woman cuz I i feel like being
00:20:38just women empowerment alone is entirely different from
00:20:42just go go go, i feel like you should also slow
00:20:46down, and that's very important in life, even if you're a female or a male.
00:20:50Ab slowing down is knowing where you really want to go. As I was
00:20:54preparing for this interview, I read lot of stories about about the
00:20:58filipino women's experiences, especially those who go abroad
00:21:02or the like life stories their children, and that was
00:21:05actually very rich and painful
00:21:09subject, because you see that many them do want their
00:21:13children to succeed, they put their lives on the on the line
00:21:17and go work for many hours.
00:21:26And then it turns out that many the children drop out of schools, they
00:21:30don't want to pursue that career, and then everybody gets
00:21:33disappointed, everybody was striving for some goal, but
00:21:37nobody really talk to one another whether they want that goal
00:21:41or not, so I think it's not just the Filipino question, I mean for all of
00:21:44us, that's a very relevant question, so how
00:21:48do you deal with those? um, how do you
00:21:52assign uh priorities to the various challenges or the
00:21:56various tasks that you? you know, I treat my life, I, I
00:21:59did not know that I was treating my life this way, I'm treating my life like pilot,
00:22:03so um, you have a checklist right, so technically when you do fly
00:22:07you have a checklist, I did not know that I'm doing it like that, and so I deal with
00:22:11it one a time, and now especially that I know that for
00:22:15example, there's a technical failure an aircraft, you do that in your own
00:22:19life as well, so I check what is wrong and i
00:22:23make sure that i um attend to that, so for example this
00:22:27this um past few months i needed to be in the
00:22:30philippines, i'm based in dubai but needed to be in the philippines because i want to spend more
00:22:34time with my kids and my kids need more attention and
00:22:38so do that because that is what's needed so you treat
00:22:42your life as if like you treat it one at the time
00:22:45so personally deal with it in such a way also
00:22:50that
00:22:50you know when when you see necessary slowing down
00:22:54like you said help a lot in terms of seeing a bigger
00:22:58picture, i think you need to see it a bigger picture as well because if you just you know you're
00:23:02in the problem or you're in that scenario you cannot think
00:23:06straight
00:23:06so you need to really you know put it a such a bigger picture
00:23:10that when you see what's wrong then you focus on that
00:23:14so if you if your kids need attention you do that if your
00:23:18career needs attention then you do that
00:23:20i think it's just matter of um putting it in such a way
00:23:24that it's um uh the priority itself as well
00:23:28and um compartmentalizing the the the
00:23:31problems. heard you say before that learning to
00:23:35fly has taught you how to be fully present in everything that you do and
00:23:39i wonder if you have any life hacks or advice for all of
00:23:43us because you know being present is not easy, it's
00:23:46actually very hard worn skill 100%. like
00:23:50imagine if
00:23:51you have a problem and you're flying a plane
00:23:52like you cannot you cannot do anything
00:23:55you cannot think about it at all right so made it in such a
00:23:59way that when i come to the if i come to the office if i
00:24:03want if needed to fly i forget everything that
00:24:06you know that's bothering my everything mentally physically
00:24:10etc. just forget about everything else and
00:24:13think to yourself there's only like eight hours eight
00:24:17hours is not going to kill anybody. just just be there, just be
00:24:21present, or probably you need to take a a
00:24:24walk. 10 minutes of slowing down won't won't hurt you. i think it's
00:24:28just the small things every day or probably going to the gym right?
00:24:32going to the gym is not because of just your your health, but it's
00:24:36because you remove everything, you don't go to the gym and you text and you you do all these
00:24:40things, you do things one a time just so you
00:24:44don't get overwhelmed, because i was overwhelmed, i'm telling you this because it's
00:24:48not because i already mastered it, but "I think it's because the experience that
00:24:51I had and
00:24:53you know it's it's just literally um not being
00:24:56present for the past years of my life and I think just being
00:25:00present makes you fully understand what
00:25:04life is and what um you really need to be to do to
00:25:08be doing and your purpose as well so slowing down is the key to to
00:25:12everything well before we fully slow down I do want to ask you a couple of
00:25:15questions about your current occupation and uh you are the founder the Philippine..."
00:25:20a large event that brings creators uh from across the field
00:25:24and from across the globe blockchain
00:25:26week suppose what uh drew your interest to that? so during
00:25:30the pandemic I lost my job and um I lost my job as pilot cuz no
00:25:34one's flying right and I learned and earned crypto and because I learned and
00:25:38earned crypto I said to myself what is this um industry so I'm
00:25:41I'm very very curious on what that industry was like so I went to Dubai I
00:25:45to this conference and met lot of people and I've
00:25:49been... um ask to do blockchain and women empowerment
00:25:53talks and everything and i was like what i going to do with all of my contacts and
00:25:57bridge them all together so what i did is i started philippine
00:26:01blockchain week uh in the Philippines, it's the largest blockchain
00:26:04event in the Philippines and I bridge, since I live in
00:26:08another country, I bridge all the countries all
00:26:12together and bring businesses to the Philippines and back. now we talked
00:26:15about the difficult economic situation in the Philippines or rather the
00:26:19challenging, and it's not just the Philippines, I mean the entire
00:26:23world is facing uh lot of hardship, but there is a
00:26:27large gap between high birth rates
00:26:29and well-paying jobs. in your
00:26:33country and that's one the reasons why people have to go
00:26:36abroad. um, do you think the blockchain or the tech
00:26:39industry have uh any possibility of
00:26:43perhaps changing or augmenting some of that? 100%. i feel
00:26:47like the reason also started this is because i saw the
00:26:51potential of when i bring companies, international companies to the Philippines, they hire
00:26:54filipinos, so when they hire filipinos, this filipinos get a
00:26:58larger pay and a larger salary, and this salary can't
00:27:02make them stay in the Philippines and that is such huge huge help
00:27:06to this filipino to the country right
00:27:09and the the moment i saw that and you know more
00:27:12entrepreneurs are being born like just because
00:27:16you know they meet people elsewhere and then they said to theirself like i
00:27:20can also do it and so um i think just
00:27:24making their lives
00:27:25you know um people who cannot fly in or who cannot go to this
00:27:29conferences um can have that chance. just by going
00:27:33to to that conference, like just bridging him all together, and finally,
00:27:37I know that you had to uh partner with the filipino government for
00:27:41for for this event, and successive filipino governments said that
00:27:45they do want to create more jobs at home, but at the same time your
00:27:49economy is heavily reliant on foreign
00:27:52remittances, so the government is a bit of bind, they
00:27:56want people to, especially mothers to stay home, but they also
00:27:59benefit them from going away, and I wonder how... how you think
00:28:03that could be changed? mean, would that require only economic measures? or
00:28:07perhaps
00:28:07the culture needs needs to change as well, something,
00:28:11something's going to give, because you cannot have both at the same time. correct. i think
00:28:15the culture also understands that um, mean
00:28:18it's very easy now to understand what's happening, so
00:28:22so the filipinos are very talented and very wise, so
00:28:26they they do understand that we are hustlers as well, so we we know what to
00:28:30do, but in terms. so you know the
00:28:34the the salary probably and the high birth rate and everything
00:28:37else, i think it's really
00:28:41do um bridging private sector and the public sector, because if you just
00:28:45rely on the public sector of course
00:28:47i mean we all know that it's it's different right, they have their own priorities and
00:28:51everything else and they usually touch the the
00:28:54class that are um not not everyone like not
00:28:58everyone they cannot handle everyone so what um i think we
00:29:03are actually doing right is that the private sector, which is
00:29:06us, is helping all the classes, um,
00:29:09families to to know and to know more
00:29:13opportunities outside and maintain the money inside
00:29:17the the the Philippines and so the economy also
00:29:20booms, so I think it's really the bridging of private and public
00:29:24sector locally, just so you can
00:29:28um, first of all they will hear you, they they can hear like for example the blockchain
00:29:32bills. right, we don't, they don't care about blockchain for the past five
00:29:36years, and after five years now, it's all becoming mainstream, we have
00:29:39blockchain bills all over and everything else, so it's really the bridging of
00:29:43public and private sector that will help the economy
00:29:46boom, so well just good, this is all we have time for, thank you very
00:29:50much for this truly inspiring conversation, thank you, thank you so much for having
00:29:54me, thank you, and thank you for watching, hope to see you again on world's
00:29:58apart next week,
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00:30:39we're going to brain wash the crap area, getting word from
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00:30:46warmonger, I a peacemaker, eating the dogs, eating the
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