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00:03:53St. Petersburg.
00:03:57Next on our air is the program America.
00:04:03This is America, a program about a country that is difficult
00:04:06to understand.
00:04:07Hello.
00:04:14The UN Headquarters is not only the Security Council chamber
00:04:17and lively corridors, but also a whole
00:04:21open-air sculpture museum. From
00:04:24monuments donated to the world organization
00:04:27by winners and defeated, one can
00:04:30study recent history, or one can
00:04:34think about the future near them. We
00:04:37went on an unusual excursion with
00:04:40Russian Permanent Representative Vasily Nebenzya.
00:04:44Press tents, fences to separate journalists from delegation
00:04:48members. The headquarters of Nastriver, as usual, changes for
00:04:51the worse during the high-level week, but no
00:04:55architectural spam is able to overshadow the main
00:04:58masterpieces.
00:05:12For you, probably, Vuchetich is still
00:05:15the most native, as for a Volgograder or as for
00:05:18a Stalingradite? As for a Volgograder, I was born already
00:05:22when the city was renamed, my sister is a
00:05:25Stalingradite, and I am a Volgograder. As
00:05:28you rightly said, this is a child of the Soviet
00:05:31Union, from Ukraine, it
00:05:33has an interesting origin, but a Russian is
00:05:37not someone who is Russian by blood, but a Russian is someone who feels
00:05:41that way. The Motherland
00:05:53in Kyiv, and the monumental Motherland
00:05:55Calls is exactly on Mamaev Kurgan, in
00:05:58the small homeland of our permanent representative, who from New York
00:06:02followed the trips of Trump's emissaries. How do you
00:06:06assess, well, if not a new
00:06:09beginning, then at least an attempt to start.
00:06:43I think it would be fair to say that I
00:06:46feel tired of this question, including from the sponsors of
00:06:50Kyiv, they are forced to ritually keep this topic
00:06:53afloat, holding at
00:06:57least one meeting a month so that no one forgets, now
00:07:00the high-level week is coming, of course,
00:07:04the central event of the French presidency will be
00:07:07a meeting on Ukraine with the participation of Zelensky, but I think everyone
00:07:11is already...
00:07:32range, Soviet SS-20 and American
00:07:35Pershings, symbolizing the INF
00:07:38Treaty. The treaty the US broke in...
00:08:12The author, the famous Tsereteli, symbolizes
00:08:15agreements in the field of arms control and
00:08:18disarmament, unfortunately this system is almost completely
00:08:22destroyed by the American side, well, you said that they are actively
00:08:26rearming, the news of the last day was a real sensation,
00:08:29where they announced that they have already put
00:08:33weapons into space, but we have a treaty that
00:08:35limits weapons in space, not the first deployment of weapons in
00:08:39space, yes, they even declared the moon
00:08:42American territory, missile fragments, treaty
00:08:45fragments, well, how can we trust them at all, how can we negotiate with them, where
00:08:49are the limits? Well, as their president said, trust but verify, now, unfortunately,
00:08:53the system, the system
00:08:56of verification, does not exist as such, it is absent for the most
00:08:59part, and there is almost nothing left to verify. In general,
00:09:03the romantic era ended, it began
00:09:06here at the foot of the Berlin Wall, these three concrete
00:09:09sections once stood on a plot on...
00:09:50Well, what awaits us now, that is, will Europe come to its senses, will
00:09:53it recover, or will they continue to want to believe in it, but the current political
00:09:57elites do not give
00:09:59such rosy expectations,
00:10:03they are preparing for war with Russia in 2030,
00:10:06a slightly , apparently,
00:10:09inadequate minister at that moment.
00:10:55minority, but the silent majority
00:10:58got tired of it, by voting in regional elections in
00:11:02Germany, this majority seems to be shedding the burden
00:11:05of the past, like this bronze figure. Vasily
00:11:08Alekseevich, I could not pass by this sculpture, because I
00:11:12saw, perhaps, this is the only place in
00:11:14New York, and rarely anywhere else in the world, where there is still
00:11:18a combination of GDR, the sculpture is called
00:11:21"Rising" or "Awakening", very...
00:11:25current, I don't know if this can be brought,
00:11:28it's like a testament
00:11:30to the victory of the Alternative for Germany in
00:11:33Saxony-Anhalt, but the fact that the population of Europe,
00:11:37of course, demonstrates rejection of the policy that
00:11:41their leadership pursues, and
00:11:43this is not only in Germany, in other countries we see these
00:11:46phenomena, that is, the people are awakening from this
00:11:49lethargic idiocy that has
00:11:53gripped the ruling circles of Europe. Of course, and do you see this
00:11:56emerging uncertainty in your German
00:11:59colleagues here? I don't interact much with them, because they
00:12:02have post-traumatic stress disorder after losing in the Security
00:12:05Council, for which they blamed Russia and me
00:12:08personally, as the person who prevented their election, although of course, all
00:12:12of this was not true in the sense that they themselves asked for such
00:12:15a result, well, I don't know how they feel
00:12:19now, I don't think they will see, there is no GDR, there is no
00:12:23Yugoslavia, that's it... The rider with an olive branch and a globe,
00:12:27cast by Antun Augustinčić in
00:12:29Zagreb, on a marble pedestal from the island of
00:12:32Brač, as if still trying to guard the Yalta
00:12:36world order. Brač is exactly on the Adriatic, where,
00:12:39according to Churchill's Fulton speech, the edge of the
00:12:43Iron Curtain fell. The threat will come from its
00:12:47outer side. I would not say that with the collapse of
00:12:51Yugoslavia the Yalta world was destroyed, but it was...
00:13:25that is, when it was convenient for them, they
00:13:27twisted everything, that's how it is, because in the case
00:13:31of Kosovo's independence,
00:13:34they pulled out of the charter the article on self-determination,
00:13:37although there was no self-determination,
00:13:41referendum, plebiscite, there was a decision of parliament, then
00:13:45confirmed by the UN International Court, in the case of
00:13:48Crimea, they seized upon the principle of territorial integrity
00:13:51of the state, however, often the UN Charter is not at all...
00:14:55this huge nation, an entire civilization,
00:14:58the Gulf states complain about
00:15:01Iranian missiles falling on them,
00:15:04Iranian missiles in response to attacks, Americans strike at bases that
00:15:08are located in these countries, and you want to ask a question about
00:15:12this, but what, son, did your
00:15:15Yankees help you, they were supposed to ensure the security of these
00:15:18states, today I am openly told that
00:15:22they have begun to be disappointed in the ability of
00:15:25Americans to provide a security umbrella on their side. Americans
00:15:29are becoming a destabilizing factor. And the presence of their
00:15:32bases is becoming. They often were such,
00:15:36and continue to be.
00:16:12you know that Trump threatens countries that support Iran, in his view, with the most severe
00:16:15economic measures,
00:16:19but here, at least, no one approaches
00:16:22me with this question. Returning to the pistol, I wanted to say that we
00:16:26all want, of course,
00:16:30peace, but unfortunately, the history of mankind is
00:16:34the history of wars, but we must do everything in our power to...
00:17:07from this chaos will be born a new cosmos, new,
00:17:11new relations between states, which will not be those that we see
00:17:14now, if you ask me what kind of world I want to see in the
00:17:18future, I want to see the world as a universe,
00:17:22existing, and a community of people and peace,
00:17:26as what in Slavic languages is translated by the word "peace", that is, the absence of
00:17:29war, well, you are not a supporter of the popular concept,
00:17:33for example, of the current US administration about peace through strength, through
00:17:37one.
00:17:45The entire history of mankind testifies to this path, through which in a matter of days leaders will enter the UN skyscraper, motorcades arrive here, we
00:17:48go with Vasily Nebenzya to the Japanese Peace Bell
00:17:51Bunshō, it was cast from coins donated
00:17:55by children from sixty countries, it rings twice
00:17:58a year on the day of the spring equinox and before the next
00:18:01session of the General Assembly, as soon as you mentioned the bell, immediately:
00:18:05вы заговорили про колоколу сразу:
00:18:37also deputy Secretary-General for, so to speak,
00:18:40for positions, I don't know the names of at least
00:18:43twenty of them, I don't know what they are doing, so here, of course, there is a wide field
00:18:47for maneuver, this is, of course, all, as
00:18:51it is said, excuse my unparliamentary arms in the coffers of
00:18:53the American side, who want to rationalize
00:18:57the activities of the UN, the current Secretary-General Guterres rang the Japanese
00:19:01bell, by the way, for the last time this
00:19:04year.
00:19:08The new Secretary-General is expected to take office in January
00:19:11of next year, the difficult, not always
00:19:14clear election process is already in full swing, Nebenzya
00:19:17tells us. The abstract sculpture has a unified form, this is in memory
00:19:21of the second head of the world organization, Dag Hammarskjöld,
00:19:25who died in office. The process is a little
00:19:28slow, it's also difficult to say about
00:19:31the favorite, because these
00:19:33votes in the so-called indicative...
00:19:38polls, they do not give an idea of
00:19:41the real situation, because you can be the leader of this
00:19:45colorless race, get 14 votes, for example,
00:19:49even 15, although 15 is already like
00:19:52a pass, one might say, but still
00:19:55it is determined by the recommendation of the Security Council,
00:19:58when you get a majority of votes, including all
00:20:01five members of the Security Council, in the so-called
00:20:05"colored" voting, it would be good to elect a Secretary-General
00:20:08who would understand the role of the Secretary-General
00:20:11as the chief administrative officer of this
00:20:14organization, a person who must possess, in accordance with Article
00:20:17100 of the UN Charter, the highest competence,
00:20:21impartiality, and other qualities
00:20:24that an international official must possess, this must not
00:20:27be a person who will be in someone's pocket,
00:20:31including Russia, yes, he must be objective, he must
00:20:35serve all member states. Thank you, Vasily Alekseevich, for this
00:20:39interview, this was America, all the best.
00:20:42доброго.
00:23:38Let's return to the news, the third final day of elections is coming
00:23:41to an end, in the eastern part of the country votes are already being counted, in Moscow and other regions of
00:23:45central Russia the polling stations will close in
00:23:48just over an hour. Now wait a second.