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00:00:00similar phenomena, but I think the level has fallen very
00:00:04low. I was
00:00:07impressed by the attack on the prosecutor of the Supreme Court.
00:00:11Everyone can have an opinion
00:00:14about a decision,
00:00:17and it can be a decision,
00:00:20but a personal attack on a person
00:00:23who was nominated by almost all of his
00:00:27colleagues for this position.
00:00:30To accuse him of being
00:00:34controlled by the government
00:00:37is a conscious effort
00:00:40to undermine
00:00:43institutions, and I think all
00:00:45of this will come back to haunt
00:00:48us, Vasilis.
00:00:50I don't
00:00:52think so. Yes, I completely agree that we will get tired of
00:00:55arguing, and September is very close for us to
00:00:58say that. We are currently seeing September, and in the
00:01:02coming months we will see it many times. That is, we will go to
00:01:05elections with wiretaps, with recycling
00:01:08houses, with NOVA again,
00:01:12with OPC, with all these
00:01:15kinds of scandals or can exhaust its ammunition
00:01:18following us for many months. It will be a very
00:01:22polarized election, in my personal opinion, and
00:01:25I really want to make a comment about the case of the attack on the
00:01:29prosecutor. Generally, at the
00:01:31Supreme Court, if we are now attacking
00:01:35a prosecutor who was truly elected by the vote of
00:01:39the judges, that is, the judicial body, and
00:01:43not by appointment from a party, then where will
00:01:46we really go? Then, that is, what will be the accusations against the
00:01:50government? It doesn't matter if there have been scandals, in my
00:01:53personal opinion, there is a very serious problem with the wiretapping issue, a very
00:01:57serious problem that needs to be investigated. But when
00:02:00you reach the point of attacking the Supreme Court for one
00:02:03of its decisions, then what else will we hear? That we live under a
00:02:07regime, that we have a junta? What else, that is,
00:02:10needs to be said? And all these things are very serious, and
00:02:14in any case, what I wonder, I don't know, you are
00:02:18more experienced than me, but this, if I'm not mistaken, is the fourth
00:02:22consecutive decision from the Supreme Court, and I wonder
00:02:25if, in the end, this alone is enough to create, as they
00:02:29say, at least from the government's side, a political scarecrow to
00:02:33shift the discussion from the major and substantive issues,
00:02:37that is, from programmatic confrontation, and not from the confrontation of
00:02:40slogans and captions.
00:02:43Yes, I want to say the following: at some point, all this
00:02:47will fade in the sense that while we will go to elections and
00:02:51such issues will be brought up, the essence will always be the
00:02:54programmatic statements and mainly the economic program of the
00:02:57parties. What
00:03:00happens with the TIF? The prime minister will
00:03:04go to the TIF on September 5-6, and
00:03:08the parties rushed to get ahead on September 2 for Mr.
00:03:11Tsipras to announce his economic program, and on September 3,
00:03:15Nikos Androulakis will hold a large event for PASOK to
00:03:19announce his economic program and various
00:03:22governmental programs. That is, it's a
00:03:25competition to see who will announce earlier to
00:03:29cover the announcements of the others. We will essentially go to the
00:03:32elections again with the pockets of the Greeks, again with their
00:03:35economic survival and livelihood, but
00:03:39we will also have the issues of scandals and scandal-mongering
00:03:43hanging over the government.
00:03:45Thanasis,
00:03:48let's take the wiretapping issue. I would have expected, I wrote about it from the
00:03:52very first moment, a discussion,
00:03:55how we citizens will be protected from the arbitrariness of
00:03:58power. So this political
00:04:02discussion has not taken place to this day, and it is the
00:04:06discussion that concerns all of us, and when I say discussion, it's not just about a
00:04:09couch, and I'm talking about proposals for how tomorrow
00:04:13morning Mr. Mavridis, Mr. Kanellis can be protected
00:04:17from the possibility of
00:04:21a police or national
00:04:24security officer - everything is done in the name of national security all
00:04:28over the planet - from arbitrariness, from becoming
00:04:32a victim of arbitrariness. What are the safety
00:04:35valves?
00:04:38You will tell me, this does not produce a result, the Mitsotakis government falls.
00:04:41We don't disagree,
00:04:44but generally, political dialogue is missing,
00:04:48proposals are missing. The parties
00:04:51go to the elections with the logic, let's go and
00:04:54see. I remember
00:04:57this. I was very, I am
00:05:01young, and the late Evangelos
00:05:04Giannopoulos of PASOK, we had him in some elections.
00:05:07We were a small group of colleagues, and we kept asking
00:05:11what PASOK's program was. PASOK's program, he said at some point,
00:05:14annoyed, that we will govern, this
00:05:18is the program. So this logic, this mentality
00:05:21continues to apply. You know, at some point they
00:05:25give us a brochure which I doubt if they have even read
00:05:28it and they say here is our
00:05:32program. But
00:05:34we have this, it reflects a society which
00:05:38is in deep crisis, a political
00:05:41and cultural crisis.
00:05:43And the result of the crisis we saw with a
00:05:47bankruptcy which is as if it passed and
00:05:50touched us,
00:05:52and I am afraid that the next bankruptcy will be heavier,
00:05:55and its impact
00:05:59will be catalytic. Let's look at our world
00:06:02how it is shaping up next to us, not on the other
00:06:06side of the world, next to us. Yesterday we had
00:06:09a significant agreement. A defensive
00:06:13agreement between
00:06:15Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The
00:06:19world around us is changing in a dynamic way and
00:06:23we are dealing with whether the
00:06:26prosecutor of the Supreme Court is with the government or not with the government. You
00:06:30will say, if justice is directed by the
00:06:33government, isn't that serious? It is serious, but in
00:06:37this case, the criticism seems a little
00:06:41absurd. Unless all
00:06:44senior judges are all Mitsotakis's, what else can
00:06:48I say? Your assessment,
00:06:50Thanasis, your assessment, Thanasis, in view of the
00:06:54Thessaloniki International Fair, is that the
00:06:58government
00:07:01by insisting programmatically, or will it be forced to enter
00:07:05this mudslinging in order to
00:07:08defend itself or retaliate, as others say?
00:07:13The job of the opposition is to control the
00:07:17government. I have no problem with
00:07:20scandal-mongering, nor with it, because this
00:07:24is the job of the opposition. It found something that it
00:07:28picked up. The issue is whether there is anything
00:07:31more beyond that and whether citizens gain anything from all this.
00:07:35From its side, the Mitsotakis government
00:07:38has been governing for 8 years.
00:07:40Rather, it will be built. In a short while, in spring, eight
00:07:44years. It is
00:07:47logical for there to be a government
00:07:50that has fatigue. Besides,
00:07:54it does not transmit staff. There is also wear and tear,
00:07:57besides that. There is wear and tear in the government.
00:08:01Do you see wear and tear? Wear and tear is something
00:08:04normal. The polls do not show
00:08:07us to the extent that one would expect. And since you also mentioned
00:08:11polls.
00:08:15Since you also mentioned polls, and indeed, we are all waiting for the
00:08:19programs at the TIF, and these also determine policy.
00:08:22We are also waiting for the autumn polls, which do you think will give the big
00:08:26picture or a smaller picture?
00:08:30Polls give a picture at any given moment, at the moment they are conducted. The
00:08:34stable point is that there is an
00:08:388-year-old government that holds at 3%. It is
00:08:41impressive, isn't it?
00:08:43The second is that there is a
00:08:47world that moves in the
00:08:49anti- Mitsotakis space, let's
00:08:53say, which is looking for a way to
00:08:56express itself. We see Mrs.
00:08:59Karistianou, her party
00:09:03not to mention making its members
00:09:07not what many people expected. The question is how
00:09:10will this world express itself? I
00:09:13mean, in the September polls, and there is also an
00:09:17opposition
00:09:19that is mainly expressed by Mr. Tsipras
00:09:22and PASOK, but which remains
00:09:26stable, far from
00:09:29the Prime Minister's firing range. That is, neither one nor the other can
00:09:32claim that tomorrow morning they can beat Kyriakos
00:09:36Mitsotakis. This is the picture.
00:09:39The picture, this is constantly changing the picture.
00:09:42Vasilis, do you share the view, which largely, if you like,
00:09:46also constitutes the Prime Minister's basic dogma, that is, that he will take it
00:09:49to the end, because the more
00:09:52he exploits this remaining time until the end of his
00:09:56term, it is a political capital that cannot be
00:09:59returned, days removed, and at the same time, his basic
00:10:02goal is to repatriate people who are in
00:10:05this zone that Thanasis Mavridis described a little while
00:10:08ago, the zone of the undecided.
00:10:12Of course, not all can return, but they constitute a
00:10:16critical electoral audience for the big goal that
00:10:19the ruling party has, the goal of
00:10:22self-sufficiency. Yes, look, if
00:10:25nothing very serious happens, and for me, serious means a national issue, a national
00:10:29matter, mainly, of course, our relationship with
00:10:32Turkey, we see that there is a tension on the occasion of the
00:10:35signatures for the spatial planning, etc., if
00:10:38something like this does not happen, we will certainly go to elections in the spring, probably in
00:10:42May, as Mr. Mitsotakis said. Obviously, it
00:10:45benefits Mr. Mitsotakis to have another 7-8 months
00:10:48of governance, because there will be announcements
00:10:52at the TIF. The announcements at the TIF will happen, they will be
00:10:55implemented mainly from the beginning of the
00:10:59new year, January 2027.
00:11:02In November, we will have the money
00:11:05that will be given as an emergency allowance, as essentially a part of the
00:11:0813th pension for pensioners. There will be announcements for
00:11:12self-employed professionals, mainly, from what I understand, at the
00:11:15TIF. Mr. Mitsotakis will also send a political message with the economic
00:11:19measures he will announce, a political message to people.
00:11:23In
00:11:262019 and 2023, and now they are disappointed. Among these
00:11:30are also the self-employed who are a critical
00:11:33group that gave critical impetus
00:11:37to the successive electoral victories, and to
00:11:40pensioners who, at a rate of 47%, still support
00:11:43New Democracy. The strengthening of pensioners' incomes will be a
00:11:47critical point for the government because it wants pensioners
00:11:50with them in the new elections, but also the
00:11:54670 self-employed professionals who
00:11:57were affected, they say, at least by the issue of
00:12:00presumptive taxation, and there will be
00:12:04measures there. So Mr. Mitsotakis's political message is: come
00:12:08back to me, I can, with fiscal
00:12:11discipline, give money
00:12:15where it is needed, targeted, and most importantly, he will bet on the chaos of the
00:12:18opposition, what Thanasis Mavridis also said, that
00:12:22there is no alternative. People are searching. Many people do not
00:12:26want Mr. Mitsotakis, which is logical after 8 years. They do not want New
00:12:30Democracy, but they cannot find anything else and they see chaos around
00:12:33them. This will be the dilemma in
00:12:36this chaos that you also mention, because it is a lot of
00:12:40political time until spring
00:12:432027. Who do you think will endure among these parties
00:12:46when they enter this election race that has started? Yes, yes,
00:12:50I will tell you this: as Thanasis also said, New Democracy is moving at a percentage of
00:12:5425 to 30%, and it is admirable for an 8-year-old
00:12:57government. Mr. Tsipras, who will probably be
00:13:00the second party, has a ceiling that is currently
00:13:04around 16-17%. Some estimate that it can reach 20%. But
00:13:08I will be a little more heretical, PASOK, which
00:13:12has 1-2 problems, has made 1-2 mistakes that we can
00:13:16discuss, I think at this moment it is the only
00:13:19serious and organized party with
00:13:21programmatic
00:13:24with proposals. With real proposals, with
00:13:27contacts with all of society, with trips
00:13:31all over Greece.
00:13:33Very good work is being done even in Parliament, in my opinion, the
00:13:37polls should show that PASOK can also become
00:13:40the second party. For now, they show what the party officials themselves say,
00:13:44and I apologize for interrupting you, Vasilis, to move on to Thanasis Mavridis. For
00:13:48now, the polls for PASOK show what its own officials say, that
00:13:51is, the needle is stuck, and in fact,
00:13:55it may have unstuck, but it's unstuck downwards,
00:13:57Thanasis.
00:14:00Anyway, PASOK actually has good staff, which is why Mr. Mitsotakis hasn't left any
00:14:04other staff, he has taken them. Ah, this
00:14:07is a fact, it's a whole school.
00:14:11So, look, as
00:14:14the opposition is, the picture it shows,
00:14:18it's very difficult to beat the government. And when the
00:14:21Greek people hear proposals of the
00:14:24type... "special purpose government to send Mitsotakis to
00:14:27prison for the wiretaps," I think they start to
00:14:30get annoyed. One of the reasons why the
00:14:33opposition is stuck overall
00:14:36is this: that there are no real
00:14:39proposals. For example, during the
00:14:42Depon era, there was
00:14:46the adoption of positions on lost wagons and
00:14:50pilings. So this unseriousness is reflected
00:14:54in the polls. How can someone
00:14:56trust a serious
00:15:00person, a political party that adopts the
00:15:03proposal, the proposal that
00:15:05adopts conspiracy theories,
00:15:09conspiracy theories about lost wagons? Now, no one can tell
00:15:13me, yes, you know, but then the atmosphere was like that. That is, every time the
00:15:17atmosphere is like that, we will adopt
00:15:20scary stories. There is no seriousness.
00:15:37wins with such dynamics, Thanasis, do you estimate
00:15:41why it wins? Because there is no seriousness, it's a tragic
00:15:44reason, right?
00:15:47That is, you say, what should I vote for? Mr. said,
00:15:51what should I vote for? Will he vote for Mitsotakis eight years
00:15:54later? Yes, Mitsotakis, because the others don't cover me. It's not that the
00:15:58others as people don't cover me. They are perfectly fine people. It's
00:16:02that they have chosen an
00:16:05easy path. Easy for social
00:16:08media, but
00:16:12not what can tell a person
00:16:15that he has proposals for the future of his
00:16:19life. You said it, Vasilis. No,
00:16:22I completely agree, they don't have proposals for their lives,
00:16:25truly. They deal with things that, for example, let me tell you
00:16:29something that made a negative impression on me. A few
00:16:32days ago we had the anniversary for the tragedy in Mati. Hellas, Mr.
00:16:36is supposedly in opposition
00:16:39electorally. He didn't issue a single announcement, not a single
00:16:42member of his staff appeared to say anything about Mati. A few days later,
00:16:45southeastern Attica burns, southwestern Attica
00:16:49burns, and they issue announcements and send a team to talk
00:16:53about the fires. This exactly in itself makes a
00:16:56comparison. People tell you, but Mati, 8
00:17:00years ago, you were in government, you made tragic mistakes, there was no
00:17:03punishment, in quotes, perhaps only political. And now you are making
00:17:06opposition over the ashes. What are your
00:17:10proposals, for example? There are no proposals for this
00:17:13either. You mean that
00:17:17Mr. Tsipras's Hellas chooses the issues it will leave aside
00:17:20and the issues it will choose to fight
00:17:23for? Exactly so, it chooses
00:17:27issues that get clicks on social media,
00:17:30it doesn't choose proposals that will pass into society.
00:17:34We are waiting, of course, for Mr. Tsipras's economic program on the second.
00:17:39Mr. Tsipras can say whatever he wants, but it must also be
00:17:43cost-effective. That's where Mr. Tsipras and Mr.
00:17:46Androulakis will be judged, whether they can hit, and in my
00:17:50opinion, I don't think they can hit New Democracy right now. If
00:17:54they can at least get a slogan across to society that
00:17:58there is an opposition, because now it seems that there is no
00:18:01serious opposition. Let's take one last comment from
00:18:04Thanasis, and at some point let's talk about the state. Because the
00:18:08state is the basic oxygen for what currently constitutes the
00:18:11government's good card in the economy, but we haven't
00:18:15discussed anything about the state, and not only regarding institutional and other things that
00:18:19are required for its development, Thanasis.
00:18:22What state, what exactly do you mean by the state? The
00:18:26polity, the way it operates, the way it regulates the
00:18:29framework for business operations, everything that
00:18:32concerns and is intertwined with the economy
00:18:35and the state. If we had
00:18:39a state that would function in the right
00:18:42way,
00:18:44then we could withstand
00:18:48even a prolonged political crisis, because
00:18:52we are now talking about the parties, how much they have, whether self-sufficiency will emerge or not, or will we have
00:18:55continuous elections, as, for example, you know, Belgium, if I remember
00:18:59correctly, lived two years without a government, 19
00:19:02months, yes,
00:19:04we, in the idea, would be. A month
00:19:08without a government, I
00:19:11tell you honestly, it's a terrifying scenario, this shows
00:19:15how the state, unfortunately, the government, and I apologize for
00:19:18interrupting you, Thanasis, there is also the example of Bulgaria, which experienced this
00:19:22long period of governmental instability, and even lost
00:19:25funds from the recovery fund, as Nikos Minas, our editor-in-chief,
00:19:29very correctly reminds me. Yes, we have a continuous problem
00:19:32called Turkey. They will not miss this
00:19:36opportunity. In quotes, for them, unexplored.
00:19:39Unfortunately, the Mitsotakis government did not do
00:19:42much in eight years to change the state or, to be completely
00:19:46honest, I'm not even sure that we want the state to change
00:19:50as citizens. All this mess, because it's a huge
00:19:54mess, probably
00:19:57serves us, which is what we believe, I don't know exactly
00:20:01why, but I don't see anyone being concerned that all
00:20:04of this is
00:20:07counterproductive, anti- anti-
00:20:10therefore,
00:20:13nothing. I am truly truly troubled
00:20:17by all that I see
00:20:20in the public debate. The
00:20:23cable, the cable, the cable, one of the most important
00:20:26issues of the recent
00:20:28period,
00:20:31I haven't seen anyone deal with it, struggle with it. I haven't seen
00:20:33anyone, and there is a rearguard battle.
00:20:37Inform the public about what's happening with this cable.
00:20:40What simply, Thanasis, we never
00:20:44learned, for example, what happened in Kassos two years ago, right? We
00:20:48never learned about that either.
00:20:51Yes, and what will happen now if work starts in September? What will
00:20:54happen? Turkey raised its
00:20:58stature. It threatened. The
00:21:01situation was threatened. We were going to war. The government took a step
00:21:05back. Here come some people and say, why don't you shoot others? Okay, this
00:21:09of course contradicts what government officials publicly
00:21:12say, at least. The French come today
00:21:16and put their
00:21:19own dynamic into this project. What
00:21:22does this mean for Greece? Many things, we shouldn't discuss it now, but
00:21:26it worries me that we don't discuss
00:21:30serious matters, and this
00:21:32is reflected
00:21:34everywhere, everywhere, and it is also a result of the government's image
00:21:38and its position and the polls, but
00:21:42also of our bad luck, so to speak,
00:21:46things are not happening and no one is being pressured.
00:21:50And precisely because we are not properly informed, we leave
00:21:53conspiracy theories, for example, about the cable. What do they say now? Greece signed for the
00:21:57cable, it will go ahead, so it means it has made a secret
00:22:00deal with Turkey for co-exploitation of the Aegean. That is,
00:22:04such theories circulate because precisely we don't learn what exactly has happened.
00:22:08This is tragic. Stay
00:22:10with us for a while, because we need to open a connection that
00:22:13concerns everyday life, to go to an
00:22:17open-air farmers' market, because... that's where, if you like,
00:22:21a significant part of the battle that will be fought in
00:22:252027 will be decided. I don't know if you have the time to stay with us, to go
00:22:28and meet our colleague again, Vivi Kika, to see what
00:22:32she is recording on
00:22:35August 8 regarding the prices of fruits and
00:22:39vegetables. After all, inflation is
00:22:43a constant fuse of this political confrontation that also has the
00:22:46other characteristics that our two older colleagues rightly described
00:22:50earlier. Come on, Vivi,
00:22:53good morning again, guys, good morning to everyone. We are here at the
00:22:57market in Neo Kosmos, there are not as many people as last
00:23:01time, because it's quite early, it's also August 8th, as you said,
00:23:04most people have left on vacation. So after the beach
00:23:08we will want to go and eat our salad, to see where
00:23:11it sleeps, how much it costs, how much
00:23:14tomatoes cost now. Hello, good morning, where are the tomatoes from?
00:23:17From Nafplio, from Nafplio. And how much do they cost?
00:23:21Depending on the quality, the good ones sell for two,
00:23:25and from there down, we go to 1.5, we go to one, we go to 50. So which are the good
00:23:29ones? These two. Half a minute, which are the good
00:23:32ones? The good ones are visible, the good ones are visible. Where are
00:23:36the good ones from? From which place? When the customer eats and is
00:23:40satisfied, they are good. Do people
00:23:43shop? No, they don't shop. Do they shop for the good ones or the others? Depending on their
00:23:47wallet, depending on their wallet. If
00:23:50they are a gourmet and want to pay, they will eat good things. If not, what time should the
00:23:54gourmet come to pay? You understand,
00:23:58George Papaconstantinou from the studio is asking, what time should the gourmet come to
00:24:01pay? In the morning, in the morning. Good things
00:24:05always come out in the morning. Of course, most people come in the
00:24:08noon, you've recorded it too, we've all recorded it that
00:24:12they fall, when you go and get a suit and it's
00:24:15good, you pay for it, of course most of them
00:24:18come.
00:24:21No, customers also come who pay at noon, you can't say, for example, but all the
00:24:25good things come out in the morning, I can't take out, what does the
00:24:28world tell you, how do you see it, the world suffers, the world suffers
00:24:32and we as producers suffer a lot, a lot, every
00:24:36government that comes up wants to do its own thing and doesn't ask, for example, why the
00:24:39tomato costs so much, most people have abandoned tomatoes, today there
00:24:43is a worm called Tuta, it has destroyed
00:24:46crops, you can't cultivate now.
00:24:50only large, ultra-modern greenhouses can cultivate, nothing gets in, for a
00:24:54producer to make these, it takes millions,
00:24:58so the job goes somewhere else, you see,
00:25:01that's the whole point, what's the price of cucumbers today, cucumbers are
00:25:042€, all are at 2€. nice, okay,
00:25:08these kids, you see here the
00:25:11tomato cucumbers, the gentleman told us that a good
00:25:15thing costs money, however, there are many who pay
00:25:18what... they pay what they have in their pocket, that is, whatever you
00:25:22pay for, you'll get, that's
00:25:25the law, whatever you pay for, you'll get, we also have b and c and behind
00:25:29I see the tomato is cheaper, it's 1€, 1€, why is
00:25:32this one cheaper, tell us, it's b, it's b, it's b, there's
00:25:36c, there's the other one and beyond whatever you pay for, you'll get, you paid for a
00:25:40good garment, it's good, right? That's how it is, isn't it, that's exactly
00:25:44how it is, you see, kids, here and the traffic, okay, a little
00:25:48more people will come
00:25:50later, let's go from here to see our fruits,
00:25:54you see, let's go to the oranges now, I see the oranges here
00:25:58are 80 cents a kilo for
00:25:59juice, it has.
00:26:15kilo, 1.5€ 1.5€ for nectarines, kids, and the
00:26:18grapes, the grapes two, two, the
00:26:21grapes with 1.5€ for nectarines,
00:26:252€ for grapes, two apricots, two
00:26:28apricots here next to you see the
00:26:31melons.
00:26:36and next door I see with 80 cents, why are these different, why do they have a different
00:26:40price the cost is lower,
00:26:44it's another price for the plant, another price, it's more
00:26:47economical there, and let's go to the watermelon, a summer
00:26:51fruit that everyone prefers, especially now in August, the watermelon has dropped to
00:26:5560 cents because I remember going to the market and in June it was
00:26:58higher, it was more expensive, these are the prices here, kids, for.
00:27:02fruits and vegetables at the market today
00:27:06you did a regular market inspection
00:27:44I thought that perhaps Mr. Kimonas Koulouris would burst from one side
00:27:47historically
00:27:50because we heard, we heard a man who
00:27:54simply gave lessons
00:27:56in economics, lessons and politics, political
00:27:59communication but I'm afraid that.
00:29:32his law.