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00:00:00in another biological fluid, in which substances first pass
00:00:03and then end up in the rest, there we will
00:00:07see substances that have been affected in the last few
00:00:10minutes or the last few
00:00:13hours, so substances which
00:00:16will indeed be important for the process of
00:00:20death, however, the important thing is what you said, if if if there has
00:00:24been intoxication and what kind of intoxication and in what quantity, Mr. Manikis can better
00:00:27answer us, I don't know at first. first of all, could
00:00:31intoxication occur in such a medical office and
00:00:34specifically for this examination and by this
00:00:37doctor? Let's also greet Mr.
00:00:41Vasilopoulos, the president of the Hellenic Hematological Society, who is
00:00:45with us. Good morning to you.
00:00:48Good morning to you. Uh, for this procedure
00:00:51of so-called plasmapheresis, which
00:00:55is not exactly plasmapheresis. Anyway, for this procedure, sedation or
00:00:59intoxication is not required, people call it intoxication, usually we
00:01:02refer to it as sedation, if however, one
00:01:06administers sedation in a medical office, there must be
00:01:10a specialist who is an anesthesiologist and
00:01:13there must be an anesthesia machine, we cannot administer sedation, which
00:01:17unfortunately we have heard happens, here we see a message
00:01:21however that someone sends according to information from insiders here of the
00:01:24show and says that they have administered intoxication, what do they mean, they might
00:01:28mean something else, no, no. They mean that, they mean that,
00:01:32so, so, uh, it might have happened, you say it's not
00:01:35needed in plasmapheresis, that's why I'm asking, yes, it might have happened and it might have
00:01:39happened, if one connects, because I have
00:01:41been following the case from the beginning, with a
00:01:44piece of information that came out and was never heard again, if
00:01:48the information is true that at some point, uh, Mr.
00:01:52Mazonakis was excitable,
00:01:55he was agitated, this information was heard, my mind immediately went
00:01:59to the fact that to someone
00:02:02who has sedation
00:02:06at their disposal, they are tempted to administer it even if they are not a specialist,
00:02:10of course this is forbidden, you cannot do it, medical offices cannot
00:02:13administer sedation, no one can administer, you said earlier if
00:02:16and we have heard that it happens, have you heard it? Yes, we have heard
00:02:20that it happens from patients that I went to such and such a medical office to do this examination and
00:02:24because I was afraid they gave me sedation, how dangerous
00:02:27is this? Very dangerous because? General
00:02:30anesthesia basically in sedation uses the
00:02:33drugs of general anesthesia, essentially
00:02:36they are the same drugs in smaller
00:02:39doses, so individualization comes
00:02:42in, how much can it metabolize,
00:02:45how is the patient at that moment, if we have assessed them
00:02:49correctly and much more, when we administer sedation, we do
00:02:52not have the secure airway that we call, when we give
00:02:56general anesthesia, we have intubated, we have secured.
00:03:00so we control the breathing, the anesthesiologist and
00:03:04the team, we don't control it, it's not in the
00:03:07patient's ability if they will breathe or not, if the sedation
00:03:10was more or less, if it's less, you administer more
00:03:14and cause respiratory depression now, in addition to the
00:03:18depression of consciousness, you know, but what I have heard many
00:03:21times, uh, various minor surgeries
00:03:24in some medical offices, even
00:03:27cosmetic ones that tell you okay. in two hours you leave and
00:03:31go home and it's nothing with sedation and
00:03:35so you go there and there is no
00:03:37anesthesiologist, this sedation is administered by the doctor who will also perform
00:03:41this minor surgery, is this normal? No, it's not
00:03:44normal at all, it's not normal, it's dangerous, of course it's
00:03:48dangerous because the term sedation is misleading, it is
00:03:52sedation, it is general anesthesia, essentially
00:03:55it is dangerous, of course, because
00:03:59the drug can cause respiratory depression,
00:04:03it's easy, it's very easy, when we are called to administer
00:04:06sedation with all the means, we are
00:04:10even more cautious and more careful than with general
00:04:13anesthesia, ah, more more more more careful than with general
00:04:16anesthesia, yes, yes, indeed, so, uh, Mr.
00:04:20Vasilakopoulos, president of the Hellenic Hematological
00:04:23Society, Vasilopoulos, I apologize, I apologize,
00:04:27I apologize, all these things we are discussing about
00:04:30private medical offices where various treatments are performed, when did you
00:04:34denounce them? Since 2019 we had
00:04:38informed EOM, EOM and I think also the
00:04:41Ministry of Health, uh, not about plasmapheresis,
00:04:44I repeat, but about the treatments they claim
00:04:48to perform with stem cells, as you saw this
00:04:51clinic was called stem cell clinic,
00:04:54yes, these stem cells which are wrongly called stem cells,
00:04:58right, stem cells, the only stem cells in the organism are those that come from
00:05:01fertilized eggs, all the others are primitive
00:05:05cells or mesenchymal cells, which can produce
00:05:09various tissues, the most easily accessible of the primitive ones
00:05:12are the cells that make blood, the hematopoietic, the
00:05:15primitive ones, which can be taken from peripheral blood and
00:05:19we, when you made the complaint, plasmapheresis machines
00:05:23existed in the country, we had not dealt with it, it did not concern us,
00:05:26look, the company that produces the specific machine in which
00:05:30Georgos Mazonakis was performing apheresis, has been
00:05:33on the market for quite some years, it's not
00:05:36new, uh, what my
00:05:40colleague told you before, this was not normal plasmapheresis. In
00:05:44normal plasmapheresis the whole plasma is replaced,
00:05:46here they don't do such a thing, they pass the
00:05:50plasma through two filters and almost everything returns
00:05:53back, with the notable exception of some
00:05:56macromolecular compounds, very large, that is, of molecular weight, very large
00:06:00size and some microplastics that the
00:06:03parent company claims, what was the dangerous thing that you had identified
00:06:07back then and you had rung the bells in '19,
00:06:10that it was, yes, that it was. a
00:06:14claim which has no scientific basis, these primitive cells
00:06:17the only thing they can
00:06:21do, they can make blood and they are administered,
00:06:24that is, they were ridiculing people to take their money,
00:06:27shamelessly, shamelessly, these cells don't produce anything, they only produce
00:06:31blood, with the complaint, did anything happen now? No, nothing
00:06:34happened, practically they still don't exist, that is,
00:06:38there are still some who promise such
00:06:41treatments. Look, it's not a Greek phenomenon, if you browse
00:06:45Swiss sites or German sites or in Northern Europe,
00:06:49you will find that they promise these things, which are
00:06:51false, it's simply a, if you will,
00:06:54paid by whoever can act, orthodoxy
00:06:57for longevity, for whatever goes with these, but
00:07:01in practice they do absolutely nothing, they only make blood and
00:07:05only in a specific place, only in the minds of the warm, nowhere else do
00:07:09they do anything else. Yes, and all this.
00:07:14as a treatment that you had to repeat two or three times, it's black, right, because
00:07:18there are also research, the new
00:07:22application that will, how do you see it? Will
00:07:25people be saved from swindlers?
00:07:29AI, yes, yes, look, look, AI can
00:07:32quickly scan a bunch of titles and raise a
00:07:36red flag for what's weird and what's not weird and so on.
00:07:40Previously, I watched a bit of the... debate between Mr.
00:07:44Kaliakmanis and Mrs. Pagoni, practically the medical association and every
00:07:47association which is a trade union body, cannot conduct these
00:07:51checks, so it can have a disciplinary board, but the essence is
00:07:55in the state, that is, the one who has been elected, it's
00:07:58difficult to punish them, that's
00:08:02why I believe that the control and the disciplinary
00:08:04board should pass back to the state with its own bodies,
00:08:08not to those who elect each medical association.
00:08:12I think,
00:08:15yes, it's a trade union, guild-like, if someone has
00:08:18voted for you, then you will, let's say, okay, you might find something,
00:08:22but you won't try to cover it up, if you want to run
00:08:25again, uh, yes, that is, okay, I'm not saying that
00:08:28these people are corrupt, but you understand that there are, this is the society
00:08:32of people, we don't say no, however, yesterday we
00:08:35communicated with all the board of the medical association and from
00:08:39the faction that is currently
00:08:43in charge, but also with the other factions, and they told us we have made a decision
00:08:46as the board not to speak, since a prosecutorial
00:08:49investigation is underway, we had doctors from the medical association
00:08:53as guests today, who are not coming out,
00:08:56I don't know what that means, but we also keep that for
00:09:00people's judgment, everything is all in people's
00:09:03judgment, yes, look, I think that as a body it should make a collective decision
00:09:07and not an impulsive one, and secondly, I think it's also prime time now for the
00:09:11ministry to recreate that body of health inspectors, it did a good job, as
00:09:14far as I know, uh, because now police checks cannot be carried out, Mr. Leon,
00:09:18right, police-type checks by doctors.
00:09:22However, if, yes, if you allow me,
00:09:26I, as a citizen, let's say, I don't hide what
00:09:29I saw, I googled
00:09:32all these intravenous therapies, the medical offices that promise all
00:09:36these things that Mr. Vasilopoulos said so correctly, and I would
00:09:40tell you that I see one after another that they are being taken down.
00:09:43essentially, the internet, so just the desire,
00:09:47uh, expressed by the ministry to have this check from the application,
00:09:51I think it's already working with the application, of course,
00:09:55but it's enough for them to be taken down. I'm
00:09:57afraid it might be such such
00:10:00a thirst for youth, for us to
00:10:04anticipate the years, that we start looking
00:10:08for anything, you know, like Carneades, mouth to
00:10:12mouth. Look,
00:10:16of course, for the general public, I remind you that Carneades also had a
00:10:20site, uh, so he advertised his
00:10:23wares, uh. I would say that for
00:10:26me, information is very crucial, that is, that today
00:10:30I am with you, with two distinguished
00:10:33colleagues, uh, for me it is very important,
00:10:37that is, I want to say that the public's information on medical
00:10:41issues must be intensified, but it must be intensified
00:10:44by specialists in the right way, with the rules,
00:10:47so that the citizen knows the limits of medicine, so as not to fall
00:10:51victim to charlatans and of course the state. will
00:10:55have to regulate all these issues, among others, advertising, which colleagues know very well
00:10:59is defined within the code of ethics,
00:11:02but many times a doctor who has reached the point of
00:11:06selling false hopes, obviously does not even care about the code
00:11:09of ethics, correct,
00:11:32unpleasant news, one of them is the one we mentioned yesterday and concerns
00:11:35the 17-year-old boy from Pefkochori who continues to
00:11:38be hospitalized intubated in the coronary unit of the
00:11:42Hippocrateion Hospital of Thessaloniki for the second 24-hour period.
00:11:45His condition is extremely critical, he has a severe
00:11:48cerebral edema, they have not been able to
00:11:52intubate him. I'm sorry, did I
00:11:55say that wrong, his personal sanctuary, okay,
00:11:57and it became, beautiful, his personal sanctuary,
00:12:01yes, so a large
00:12:04poster was placed which says that Sitia honors George Mazonakis, below
00:12:07there was also a relevant album where his
00:12:10fans left their own personal
00:12:13note, thus paying tribute to George
00:12:16Mazonakis and today I want to tell you that in the village of Pefkoi
00:12:20there will be again a memorial service for George
00:12:23Mazonakis. Indeed, okay, I think his love
00:12:27throughout Greece,
00:12:30of course, yes, of course, from end to end, his special
00:12:33homeland, he had spoken about Crete and how much
00:12:37he loved it, about his cousins there, he had
00:12:40spoken and danced, of course, so,
00:12:58from near the airport of Riyadh, the
00:13:01capital of Saudi Arabia. For years, the Houthis had not dared
00:13:05to send missiles. As they say,
00:13:08they had two targets, Riyadh and the loading terminal at
00:13:12Yanbu in the Red Sea. You understand what impact this will have
00:13:15on oil prices. Here we see the crown prince of Saudi
00:13:19Arabia, who says that the forces, the legitimate forces
00:13:23of Yemen and the forces of.
00:13:25ours are a little more than 20 km away from Sanaa, the
00:13:29capital of Yemen, and we could capture it, he
00:13:33says, but we would have too many civilian casualties, which is why
00:13:36we are holding back, says the crown prince. The Houthis'
00:13:40strike, so after the Houthis' strike, at exactly the same
00:13:44time, we must say that we have President
00:13:47Trump returning exhausted. We see here
00:13:51it also shows how dramatic the developments are, exactly.
00:13:55Yes, to the White House and to Camp
00:13:57David. Sources tell CNN that he received
00:14:01briefings on possible plans
00:14:04and scenarios of an attack against the
00:14:07Houthis in Yemen. And here we see a shot from
00:14:11Fairford in Britain where a
00:14:14B-1 Lancer
00:14:17bomber takes off.
00:14:21It could just be an exercise, but usually
00:14:23this, uh, this trail it leaves behind
00:14:27means it's fully loaded, it's laden with fuel.
00:14:31President Trump, we will see what decisions
00:14:35he will make. Uh, at the same time, we also have
00:14:38Hakan Fidan's intervention, not about Turkish issues, he did that too, but in the
00:14:42same interview he also intervened about Saudi
00:14:45Arabia. As he said, we see that very
00:14:49serious attacks have been carried out against the territorial integrity,
00:14:52sovereignty and infrastructure of Saudi Arabia. If we examine our
00:14:56agreement, he means Mecca, right,
00:15:00there is an obligation of allied solidarity between the
00:15:03countries. Our president, Erdogan, is
00:15:06indeed a leader who keeps his word.
00:15:09We are examining, we are conducting a thorough assessment and analysis of the
00:15:12situation. These from the, of course, in the same interview
00:15:16it seemed that he would not want a possible cooperation between
00:15:20Israel and Saudi
00:15:21Arabia.
00:15:24Information says that Israel offered
00:15:28cooperation not with warplanes and such, but
00:15:32cooperation at the level of intelligence, of satellites to Saudi
00:15:36Arabia to target.
00:15:46However, at this moment, the thorny issue and the big problem is what
00:15:49Trump will do with the Houthis. The Houthis seem to have taken
00:15:53the reins in that region. You see what they're doing,
00:15:57you see how they're acting, you see the attacks they're making. Here America needs to see
00:16:01how it will respond. Yes, and it's striking,
00:16:03it's striking the fact that now.
00:16:07a movement of irregulars,
00:16:11with of course the support of Iran, with the support of Iran,
00:16:14right? And how will the Houthis be dealt with? Here are
00:16:18the Houthis. However, they were having discussions,
00:16:21right, last week they were having discussions with Trump, with the
00:16:24American, they didn't work out. Let's see the next one. Until now they had maintained a
00:16:28very cold stance throughout the
00:16:31Iranian situation. Now they are also closing
00:16:35the Bab al-Mandab.
00:16:38the other strait. We'll see what happens with that. Indeed,
00:16:41well, excellent, let me show you just a few images,
00:16:45500 far-right individuals went to march in a
00:16:48forbidden march in The Hague, Netherlands, dogs were
00:16:52mobilized, as we see, mounted
00:16:55police, and
00:17:13good morning, Mina, good morning, George. Yes, these are the
00:17:16unpleasant news, one of which is the one we mentioned yesterday and concerns
00:17:19the 17-year-old boy from Pefkochori who for
00:17:23a second 24-hour period continues to be hospitalized, intubated,
00:17:26in the coronary care unit of the Hippocrateion Hospital of Thessaloniki.
00:17:30His condition is extremely critical, he has a severe
00:17:34cerebral edema, they have not been able to.
00:17:43The information we have is that
00:17:46hemodynamically he is still very weak, the doctors cannot
00:17:49stabilize him, they are constantly monitoring him and
00:17:53doing everything humanly possible so that his condition is somewhat stabilized,
00:17:56but we understand that this whole first 48 hours is
00:18:00extremely critical, we naturally hope that everything will go well with this
00:18:0317-year-old boy who, I remind you, suffered a cardiac arrest outside the
00:18:06courtyard of his school in Pefkochori. Tell us about the
00:18:0913-year-old and about the clash, about
00:18:13juvenile delinquency, what happened.
00:18:16So another incident of juvenile delinquency occurred in the
00:18:20area of Ampelokipoi in western Thessaloniki, where a
00:18:23group of young girls, 13 years old,
00:18:27attacked a 13-year-old
00:18:29girl, they hit her, with the result that later the
00:18:3313-year-old girl was taken to the health center of Evosmos and then from
00:18:36there to... it's a recommendation to the family so that she can also be taken to the
00:18:40Hippocrateion, because we understand, due to her young age, even though the 13-year-old did not have any serious
00:18:44injury, she had to be examined by the hospital doctors,
00:18:47ultimately, I want to tell you, the next day, two 13-year-old
00:18:51girls came forward voluntarily with their parents,
00:18:54they admitted that they were the ones who hit the 13-year-old
00:18:58girl, a case file was formed by the prosecutor, who temporarily
00:19:02released them, indeed, violence,
00:19:05interesting and what is the reason.
00:19:15Good morning to you, where shall we start? So let's
00:19:19start, let's stay on juvenile violence, unfortunately we will have to
00:19:22stay there, we had an incident on Friday
00:19:25night in Vrilissia where two 14-year-olds
00:19:28clashed and we had a kidney
00:19:32injury from punches and kicks of one child to another
00:19:36unfortunately. With the kidney removed, let's say, and of course
00:19:39charges were filed for this incident, this is
00:19:43an indicative sign of the times, we have usually said that for a trivial
00:19:46reason all this happens, so for a trivial reason, for
00:19:50reasons that really do not worth the effort,
00:19:53let's move on to a second news item, let's see video footage
00:19:57that came to light, how a gang that broke into houses with
00:20:01over, you see here images with over 179-180,000 euros
00:20:03179-180.000€
00:20:06is estimated there.
00:20:15which we also saw in the summer, incidents of people leaving for
00:20:18holidays, they went and put silicone on the doors to
00:20:22see when they would open or when they wouldn't open, so that they could
00:20:25enter the house and foreigners and not only were
00:20:38price increases for fares, as we call them, to and from the
00:20:42airport in Athens and Thessaloniki, we can also see the
00:20:45relevant card from here in Athens, for
00:20:49someone going to the airport will now pay 50 euros for a single fare, from 40
00:20:53euros, we are talking about an increase of 10 euros, it's not small, the
00:20:56night charge is 65 euros from
00:20:5955 euros, exactly, a very large increase. In Thessaloniki,
00:21:03to go to the airport is 38 from
00:21:0628, and the waiting, the well-known waiting
00:21:09for the taxi to pick someone up is 20 euros from
00:21:1315. I think they are not negligible, and as
00:21:16the representatives of the taxi drivers told us, they
00:21:20have requested an increase in the fare,
00:21:23and they will consider it in the coming period. Of course, we must say that
00:21:27they have not been implemented, they will be implemented when it is submitted and
00:21:30yes, they will consider it and they told us on the radio they will consider
00:21:33their stance in the coming period
00:21:48theft.
00:21:58I have an issue with the return and that's
00:22:00why I'm delaying, not only, but we'll find everything fine, so, they didn't just
00:22:04hide their faces,
00:22:08their faces, they were wearing helmets, they entered
00:22:11a main street of Vrilissia, they found a
00:22:14car and without any
00:22:16hesitation they went after midnight, half an hour
00:22:20after midnight they opened it and left. The owner of the
00:22:24car appeals to everyone to look for something
00:22:27in case the car is found. He has given the license
00:22:31plate number, but since we have done these reports many
00:22:34times,
00:22:36if there was a GPS tracker, the car could have been mobilized
00:22:40or he could have found it
00:22:42immediately. Unfortunately, however, he didn't have one, so these
00:22:46two men took it with the helmets, with the photos we have secured. And
00:22:50they left. Yes, and it's not, as you said, the only
00:22:54time. We constantly see on these
00:22:56pages about stolen vehicles, etc., similar photos and videos. It's a
00:23:00plague, Mina, that people are looking for their cars. So