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00:01:46of noble beliefs in
00:01:56need to give this
00:02:14and very few
00:02:15made people overlook even
00:02:25has visited more than once a number of coming from Dear viewers everywhere, welcome
00:02:29to this new episode of "Axis of Events".
00:02:33In this episode, we will address this episode with reading,
00:02:37analysis, and follow-up of the latest
00:02:40developments and transformations in the political,
00:02:43that, a drone coming from military, and security spheres in light of the Battle of Dignity. First,
00:02:47the militia's reliance on I welcome to the studio the journalist and political analyst, Professor Bakri Al-Madani. Good morning to you.
00:02:52told you, these drones are among Good morning, and God bless you. And greetings to the colleagues in the National Television,
00:02:55programmers and technicians.
00:03:02And unfortunately, have the right to possess such I truly salute them with a special salute for the great effort they are making to ensure that this
00:03:03of the martyrs. We highlight national broadcast continues. Greetings to you.
00:03:06Directly to our first file. The Chairman of the Transitional
00:03:09Sovereignty Council, Commander-in-Chief
00:03:13of the Armed Forces, General Abdel Fattah Al-Burhan,
00:03:16attended, accompanied by his deputy Malik Agar, the celebration organized by
00:03:19the Council of Churches at the Khartoum International Fair, under the slogan
00:03:23"Come with one heart
00:03:26was launched from to pray for Sudan," with wide participation from fathers,
00:03:29leaders, and various
00:03:31large number of countries at the Christian sects and churches in Sudan. The Chairman of the Sovereignty
00:03:35of regional countries. The relationship in the Our observations are that this Council said during
00:03:36world is based on his address at the event that
00:03:37thanks. We are now in a very good situation at all Abrahamic religions call for love, peace,
00:03:41and brotherhood, and reject division and discord, and spread virtue,
00:03:44stressing the importance of cooperation
00:03:47the importance of peace and stability in and solidarity and standing against anyone who calls for spreading hatred
00:03:50and animosity among the Sudanese people and disturbing security.
00:03:56the connections, communication, and relationships with even used to live with us in His Excellency affirmed that this celebration embodies that Sudan is one country and one people.
00:04:00One behind the army.
00:04:03evident. Those who were here in Expressing his hope that security, stability, and peace will be achieved in the country.
00:04:07Professor Al-Madani, Al-Burhan
00:04:09participates in the celebration of the Sudanese Council of Churches,
00:04:12meaning with prayers for the peace of Sudan. How do you comment on
00:04:17We truly need to glorify this? Of course,
00:04:18control of drone the concept of prayers is supplications. Yes, and in
00:04:21religions,
00:04:24could be harmful. At some specifically the prayer of need, in Islam, have lost this we have what is known as the prayer
00:04:27of need, meaning like the prayer of thanks. The prayer
00:04:30for rain, the prayer for victory, the prayer for seeking
00:04:35And there are experiences of countries. I mean, among healing and well-being, and so on. I mean, it has a counterpart in
00:04:37other religions. Correct. The rituals
00:04:41martyrs, differ
00:04:42any other and the names differ, but the essence of prayer
00:04:44and the essence of supplication remain one. I mean,
00:04:48the brothers in the Council of Churches held this prayer
00:04:53sacrificing martyrs since under the title of "Prayer for Peace in Sudan."
00:04:56I mean, the Christians in Sudan
00:05:01front, relying security. Also, one of have truly, both sects, the Orthodox and the Catholics, paid a heavy price for this war. It's perhaps
00:05:04the first time in the civil
00:05:07the different communities in wars in Sudan
00:05:09Perhaps the militia that the Christian community has been targeted in such
00:05:11a significant way, even at the level of Khartoum. Perhaps also
00:05:15the city of Madani was directly targeted in churches.
00:05:18Christians were directly targeted.
00:05:21Many of them were killed,
00:05:25and their property was looted, especially in the Khartoum
00:05:29area. Also, what's noticeable in this war
00:05:33is that Sudanese Christians truly
00:05:36participated directly and fought in this war.
00:05:39They have individuals and leaders on the ground.
00:05:42For the first time, especially from the Coptic community,
00:05:46we see them carrying weapons within the Popular Resistance.
00:05:49I mean, the civilian support as well. Yes,
00:05:53I am speaking now specifically about the phenomenon of carrying weapons within
00:05:56the Popular Resistance and fighting shoulder to shoulder
00:06:00alongside the armed forces and the rest
00:06:03of the Sudanese resistance fighters. Their civilian support has truly been commendable
00:06:07for a long time. They played a very significant role in the recent
00:06:09revolution, the 2009 revolution.
00:06:13They had a prominent role. So, I want to say that through
00:06:17these stances, and these stances are still ongoing, they have truly presented examples. I
00:06:20don't want to name names, but they have examples even on the battlefield.
00:06:24I mean, this role is ongoing, and I
00:06:28believe that the call for prayer for
00:06:30peace completes this role
00:06:34and also reflects something very important.
00:06:37It reflects the extent to which this people is one.
00:06:41Truly, it reflects the spirit or a form
00:06:44of national unity in Sudan. We are a people of different
00:06:48ethnicities. Also, we are a people of
00:06:51different religions. We have the vast majority of
00:06:54Muslims, and there is a significant group of Christians, and there are followers
00:06:59Sudan. So, this image embodies
00:07:02and forms national unity and adds to it
00:07:06official participation. I mean, for the first time, if you notice, my
00:07:09dear sister, that the President of the Sovereignty Council
00:07:13and his deputy are present in one activity. This issue, even from a security
00:07:17perspective, people used to be cautious about it, but perhaps the feeling of
00:07:20safety and the feeling of peace among
00:07:23Christians and under the umbrella of the Council of Churches
00:07:28the security precautions, so that the President
00:07:31and his deputy are present at the same time in one activity, and this
00:07:35is a very big paradox. I hope that people
00:07:39pay attention to it. I mean, it didn't happen or it doesn't usually happen
00:07:43much. I mean,
00:07:45peace itself is
00:07:49Yes. So, Professor Bakri, how do you see or how do you read
00:07:52the messages and signals through this event, meaning at the
00:07:56level of the citizen and their relationship with their government?
00:07:59Yes.
00:08:01The truth is,
00:08:03I also want to complete my observation that this event, yes,
00:08:07if we talk about the citizen and we talk about the authority,
00:08:10it brought together Muslims and Christians together
00:08:14in one activity, in one building,
00:08:17the Khartoum Exhibition. Those present were Sudanese
00:08:20citizens of different religions with their sovereign
00:08:23authority and even their authority at the executive
00:08:26level. I mean, there was a form of unity as well.
00:08:29This event came
00:08:33in the name of prayer for peace, and as I told you, peace is needed
00:08:36for the people of Sudan. And if we talk about the prayer
00:08:39of need, I believe that we, as Sudanese, at this
00:08:42time, Muslims, Christians, and others, need a prayer
00:08:46for prayer for
00:08:50the military level. We need a prayer for
00:08:53thanks and we need a prayer for victory,
00:08:56with due respect to the request for peace
00:09:00for Sudan, but we are now in a very good situation. Our forces are open on
00:09:03all fronts. We are achieving victories. The request for victories.
00:09:07So, we truly need a prayer of thanks
00:09:09and a prayer of victory more than our need for a prayer of peace. It is needed.
00:09:13I mean, yes, I mean the messages are clear
00:09:16from what you mentioned, Professor
00:09:19Al-Madani, meaning the participation, as you said earlier, the participation
00:09:23of the President of the Sovereignty Council and also the Vice President of the Sovereignty Council, Lieutenant
00:09:27General Malik Agar, in this initiative, did it
00:09:30give a positive
00:09:34media dimension in the context of this popular war? Of course, I noticed first
00:09:38of all, let's look at
00:09:41the factors that led to this prayer.
00:09:45The location factor. This prayer, as an event, was held in the
00:09:48heart of Khartoum, in the Bari area, at
00:09:52the Bari Exhibition. This is the heart of Khartoum. This is the biggest message
00:09:55that this area has become a safe area and has become
00:09:58an area where even high-ranking leaders in the state can move around safely.
00:10:02I think this is the first message, meaning that the state leadership
00:10:05is now present in the middle of Khartoum and moving around
00:10:09safely and with great
00:10:11the other messages that reflects the spirit of national unity, as
00:10:15we talked about, reflects the solidarity between
00:10:19Sudan and national cohesion in its broad sense. So, I think
00:10:23that the messages... Also, people adhering to their beliefs. I think this is also one of
00:10:27the things. These matters are also based on material
00:10:30reality and are based on a reality of belief. I think also
00:10:36this matter is one of the very important messages. Yes. So,
00:10:39Professor Al-Madani, Al-Burhan's visit and his talk about
00:10:43love and peace among Sudanese, to what
00:10:46extent did it clarify that the armed forces
00:10:49are for peace, but will not surrender to the
00:10:53rebellious militia? Yes. Honestly, at this second,
00:10:57I greet our brothers,
00:11:00Sudan, especially as they always emphasize that
00:11:03Christianity is a religion that calls for peace and tolerance. Perhaps
00:11:07one of their most famous sayings that we, I mean,
00:11:09have been repeating since we were young is "Peace on Earth
00:11:13and love among people." I mean, "Glory to God in the highest, and on Earth
00:11:17peace, goodwill toward men." They truly strive to spread tolerance
00:11:21and peace among people. I believe their response
00:11:25to this event and this call, and their participation at the high level you
00:11:29mentioned, also reflects the extent to which
00:11:32our leadership is committed to peace,
00:11:36as you said. The peace imposed by force,
00:11:40the just peace, the peace that fulfills
00:11:43the demands of the Sudanese people, not the peace of submission.
00:11:47There is a difference between surrender and peace. We advocate
00:11:51for peace, but it must meet the aspirations of Sudan,
00:11:55preserve their dignity, and achieve justice for them.
00:12:00this moment to the call for prayer for
00:12:03peace, I believe, also reflects
00:12:06the extent to which our leadership is committed to peace and for peace. I mean, perhaps
00:12:10in the third week of the war, the legitimate
00:12:13authority in Sudan went to the first negotiating platform in Jeddah.
00:12:17I mean, it was in the third week directly. The first platform was held in
00:12:21Jeddah. The authority sent its delegation and signed an agreement,
00:12:25which was followed by the Jeddah Declaration of Principles. This was out of the authority's desire to
00:12:29achieve a just peace for the Sudanese people. After that, of course, the militia
00:12:32renounced the Declaration of Principles that it signed, and
00:12:35it went on the path of war. I mean, yes.
00:12:39Professor Madani, in your opinion, have the Sudanese armed
00:12:42forces' downing of a strategic drone
00:12:47Ethiopian territory, has it confirmed
00:12:49that the Sudanese armed forces yesterday, Saturday, shot down a hostile
00:12:53strategic drone
00:12:55coming from Ethiopian territory in the northeast of the Kili region
00:12:58in Blue Nile State? Professor Al-Bakri, does Ethiopian assistance
00:13:02to the militia need more proof
00:13:04and evidence? Well, before
00:13:08Ethiopian territory or coming from the direction of Ethiopia. This drone,
00:13:12if it was launched by
00:13:15the militia, the Rapid Support Militia, then this is an indictment
00:13:18of the militia and an indictment of those behind it, because this militia does not
00:13:24weapons. I mean, it is known that some weapons are prohibited
00:13:28by international law from being sold to militias and to non-regular armies,
00:13:31including drones, and including armored vehicles, tanks,
00:13:35and aircraft, and so on. So, if we assume that this militia
00:13:39drone is affiliated with this strategic
00:13:41drone, affiliated with the militia, then this condemns
00:13:45the militia and condemns the parties that supplied it. If
00:13:48this strategic drone Ethiopian
00:13:52territory and from the Ethiopian
00:13:55army or Ethiopian intelligence or the Ethiopian regime, then this
00:13:59directly implicates Ethiopia.
00:14:02Truly, this brings me back to your question, Ethiopia's clear and blatant involvement
00:14:05in this war. Unfortunately,
00:14:09I mean, one says all this with regret. We have been
00:14:13greatly let down by Ethiopia and by
00:14:16some Ethiopian brethren who
00:14:20Khartoum. I mean, Ethiopia's participation
00:14:23and some Ethiopians' participation in the war in Sudan was
00:14:28Khartoum carried, or some of them, let's say, but some of them
00:14:32in a large number, I mean, not one or two individuals, carried weapons and were
00:14:35mercenaries alongside the militia forces.
00:14:39And in some areas in Kordofan, I remember that when
00:14:42they occupied some, they occupied, I think, Al-Fula, in one of
00:14:46the cities of Kordofan, they raised the Ethiopian flag. I mean, as they
00:14:49entered one of the cities of Kordofan. I mean,
00:14:53Ethiopia's involvement in this war, unfortunately, is implicated
00:14:57even by proxy. It is fighting Sudan
00:15:00on behalf of the United Arab Emirates.
00:15:04The militia tried to open this front,
00:15:08the Blue Nile front, after its major losses in the western
00:15:12axis, whether at the level of Kordofan or the western axis in
00:15:16Darfur, the Kilebs region and its surroundings. So, it tried
00:15:18to through what is known as "stretching the flanks,"
00:15:22it tried to open the Blue Nile
00:15:26on the Ethiopian depth, which
00:15:29provides it with a constant military
00:15:33supply area, and this confirms its involvement in
00:15:36this war. I mean, yes. Professor Al-Madani, in your opinion,
00:15:40has this drone revealed the intentions
00:15:43of the international community, which remains silent about the support
00:15:46and issues statements when the armed forces defend
00:15:49the country, as happened with the militia coming from
00:15:52Chad? How do you interpret this? Unfortunately, there are
00:15:56regional and international efforts to equate the army, the army of the Sudanese
00:16:00state, with the militia, and they always
00:16:02try to instill the phrase "two parties
00:16:06to the conflict." So,
00:16:10they are on the same level and on the same list. The second thing,
00:16:14they even, in recent periods, in some forums, talk
00:16:17about an arms embargo on both parties.
00:16:21And they even talk with a degree of
00:16:24the Emirates, that they seized a shipment of weapons coming to the Sudanese
00:16:28army. The Sudanese army is a regular army and a state army that has the right to arm itself
00:16:32with all weapons. The irony is that they turn a blind
00:16:35eye to the arming of the militia. This militia is now receiving at its airports,
00:16:39or the airports under its control in Darfur,
00:16:43it is receiving military supply aircraft
00:16:46coming from the Emirates, and from Chad, and from others, I mean, around the clock,
00:16:50if not hourly, and this is something prohibited by international law. Nevertheless,
00:16:53they turn a blind eye to the fact that the militia is using strategic
00:16:57drones in this war, using armored
00:17:00vehicles in this war, using everything
00:17:03that is prohibited
00:17:06militias. And yet, they remain silent
00:17:09about it and condemn, and try to
00:17:12condemn the Sudanese army
00:17:15with some fabrications that have no basis,
00:17:18like the recent talk about the Sudanese army using
00:17:21chemical weapons. It is a weapon that is known to be
00:17:25internationally prohibited. They try to incriminate the Sudanese
00:17:28army, but the foreign hands, unfortunately,
00:17:32one of the great ironies in this war is that we discovered that
00:17:36we are living in an environment of enemies, both at the neighborhood level and
00:17:40at the regional level, with the coldness of the international
00:17:44climate. I mean, if we have about eight or nine neighbors,
00:17:47there are very few that we can rely on in this war,
00:17:52neighbors that we can truly
00:17:54trust in their positions. Some neighbors are directly
00:17:58involved, Chad and Ethiopia and Libya.
00:18:01Haftar is directly involved in this war.
00:18:05There are countries from which mercenaries are pouring in.
00:18:08Their own countries are unable to control them, like South Sudan, one of
00:18:12the biggest countries whose citizens participated in this
00:18:16war. This is the nature of the international community and the nature
00:18:19of the regional community, unfortunately. Yes. So, how do you view
00:18:24drones? Of course, as I
00:18:29the prohibited weapons because they are airborne
00:18:32weapons for militias. They are only authorized by international law
00:18:36for regular armies.
00:18:39they are from
00:18:43the type of weapons that inflict great harm when used,
00:18:46because if you misuse them, you target
00:18:49civilians and civilian installations, and that's what the militia is doing now.
00:18:53It doesn't need to be trained because it deliberately targets civilian installations
00:18:57and targets civilians.
00:19:01We have been affected by it in large sectors of Sudanese cities, especially in the electricity
00:19:04and water sectors, which are directly hit.
00:19:13type of weapon has begun to lose its effectiveness for
00:19:16the militia. I mean, before I entered the studio, some friends
00:19:20from Atbara told me that there might be
00:19:23drones this morning in Atbara. I mean, people don't even notice them. I mean,
00:19:27it has lost its effectiveness, and it is, of course, a very
00:19:30expensive weapon. It has lost its effectiveness after it used
00:19:33to threaten all Sudanese cities. Perhaps even for us in a period.
00:19:39Now its effectiveness has started to weaken. Now the anti-aircraft
00:19:43defenses have become more skilled and more trained in shooting
00:19:46them down. So, I feel that this weapon is somewhat
00:19:50receding, and they have lost large quantities. I mean, in our army's advance in
00:19:53Kordofan, it captured
00:19:56depots. So, they seem to
00:19:58weapon, which
00:20:02point, it became ineffective, I don't feel it has had a major
00:20:06impact, especially in recent weeks. It has had a significant effect and impact.
00:20:09Yes. We move to our third file. During
00:20:12his visit to the military operations wounded at Salah
00:20:16Medical Hospital, Sovereignty Council member Abdullah Yahya
00:20:19affirmed that the people's aspiration for victory, peace,
00:20:22and stability is achieved through will, national
00:20:25unity, and state institutions. Professor Al-Bakri, the attention
00:20:28of the armed forces and supporting forces
00:20:32and providing them with treatment represents one of the most important
00:20:36advantages for the Sudanese front and also the regular
00:20:39forces. I mean, when we compare the Rapid Support
00:20:43well, the comparison is non-existent anyway.
00:20:46focuses on treating
00:20:50at the level of overseas treatment,
00:20:52treating
00:20:54those who belong to a specific tribe within the militia.
00:20:58Those belonging to the Dagalo clan are the ones
00:21:02countries, and the Emirates and other countries. As for the soldiers and officers who
00:21:06belong to components outside the tribe
00:21:10and the ruling family, if I may say so, in the Rapid Support Forces militia,
00:21:13some of these truly die of neglect. They are not
00:21:16cared for. But it's true, I said the comparison
00:21:20is non-existent, but honestly, from my observation,
00:21:23I am not entirely satisfied with the file
00:21:27of the wounded, whether at the level of the regular
00:21:29forces or at the level of the supporting forces. I visited
00:21:35Sudan where some of the soldiers
00:21:39belonging to the armed forces and supporting forces
00:21:43among the wounded. Some of them truly lack
00:21:45some
00:21:48medicines and some medical supplies. I believe
00:21:52they are readily available, especially in Port Sudan. We visited some
00:21:55hospitals and found that some
00:21:58of the wounded fighters need gauze, they need
00:22:01some intravenous fluids, very simple things.
00:22:05I mean, it can be provided. I think
00:22:08that the file of the wounded, and some of them, really, especially
00:22:12among the mobilized, I mean, some of them come seeking treatment and are
00:22:15eager to be treated so they can return to the field quickly. I think
00:22:20at the official level and at the popular level, needs
00:22:23our effort. People should go and take the initiative,
00:22:27even at the level of civil organizations. It's true that there are organizations, I mean, I
00:22:30accompanied
00:22:33the dear sisters in the "Shama Amal" organization. They
00:22:36used to visit these hospitals and try to provide some aid, but I say
00:22:39national organizations, citizens, in addition
00:22:43to official effort,
00:22:46file full attention. If
00:22:50people visit these hospitals, they will see and learn about some
00:22:54cases that, by God, could be discharged in one day. I mean, they don't need
00:22:57much. So, this file, I truly
00:23:00feel pain for it, and I feel
00:23:04that the pace should be faster and greater than this. I mean,
00:23:08is one of the concerns you are talking about for the wounded and injured,
00:23:11even at the level of the President. The President
00:23:15the Commander-in-Chief has visited more than once some
00:23:19of the wounded in some hospitals. Many of them. Mr. Yasser
00:23:22Al-Atta has made many visits. The concern is there,
00:23:26but complete satisfaction for us
00:23:28as observers.
00:23:31This is the observation I'm talking about. I think that this file needs
00:23:34more than that. Yes. So, how can
00:23:38the sacrifices made by the armed forces and the
00:23:41supporting forces be made a shining
00:23:45sign in the Battle of Excellent. That's a good question. Well,
00:23:48we care, yes, we care about the families
00:23:53these roles. I mean, we have people who sacrificed
00:23:57and are still sacrificing. For example, there is a family, one of the noble and patriotic
00:24:01families in Kordofan, and I salute them from here,
00:24:05the Al-Daidan family. One of their sons now, and I don't know him personally,
00:24:08I mean, and I am not from Kordofan to
00:24:12clarify things, but I as an observer following
00:24:15this family, for example, has offered four
00:24:17martyrs. I mean, four and one of their sons now leads
00:24:21special operations in Kordofan, and this is one of the toughest types
00:24:24of military operations. One family offered four
00:24:27martyrs. I believe that we need to glorify
00:24:31the legacy and image of such sacrifices.
00:24:34We should care about them in the media, care about them at
00:24:38the level of social
00:24:40media, try to bridge
00:24:46the wounded, the people who lose their limbs in this war,
00:24:50or are injured, no matter how deep or how severe their wounds are.
00:24:53They need to feel that we are part of
00:24:56these bodies. I mean,
00:24:59the martyrs, we also have some bright spots. I mean, if you walk through
00:25:02the streets of Khartoum now, some streets have pictures of some martyrs.
00:25:07these roles. The people who
00:25:11were martyred, were martyred so that we, if wounded or injured or
00:25:14lost a limb, it was to preserve our lives and our limbs. I
00:25:18believe that we need to glorify
00:25:21these sacrifices.
00:25:25the countries I visited, for example, Algeria. Algeria
00:25:28sacrificed one and a half million
00:25:31and it is still living on this legacy.
00:25:34I mean, the Algerian National Museum celebrates the martyrs
00:25:38of Algeria in a way that is a source of pride. We have been
00:25:431955. We believe that it's true that we had the Martyrs' Organization and so
00:25:47on, from these bodies, but this file also needs
00:25:50our attention. Yes. I mean, mercy and forgiveness for the martyrs
00:25:54of the Battle of Dignity, and swift recovery for the wounded, and a good return
00:25:57for the missing. I mean, were it not for them, this session would not have been held,
00:26:01nor would it have been, yes, even at the television level. We salute it and salute the martyrs
00:26:05of television. By God, the National Television has made a very significant contribution
00:26:08to the Battle of Dignity. We ask God to accept our brothers who went to
00:26:11cover the liberation of the Presidential Palace. I mean, yes, may they rest in peace
00:26:15and forgiveness. Professor Al-Madani, I mean, the activities
00:26:18of Professor Abdullah Yahya, member of the Sovereignty Council, I mean,
00:26:21and others, how can they be, or how can they be made
00:26:25front-page news in the media, and you are an observer of this
00:26:29matter? I truly salute Brother Abdullah.
00:26:33and have interviewed him more than once in Port
00:26:36Sudan. And the man is one of the very
00:26:39humble leaders, and he has a very significant
00:26:42role in the Battle of Dignity,
00:26:47the western axis. I mean, his role is naturally difficult
00:26:51to disclose because it is closer to operations. I mean, Commander
00:26:54Abdullah Yahya is one of the outstanding leaders, leaders who have a great
00:26:58national and patriotic dimension. The man is very close to the field.
00:27:03the citizens and is known for also supporting
00:27:07many political activities
00:27:12many initiatives that he has truly
00:27:15led and continues to lead. I salute him
00:27:18does not like the media that might try to build
00:27:21a personality that has a kind of
00:27:27very difficult for him to talk about himself. It is very difficult for him
00:27:31very difficult for him to present what he does on media
00:27:35platforms. And he is the leader we always We struggle to reach him, meaning the
00:27:39humble man. I truly wish him success and I hope
00:27:43that God crowns his efforts with success
00:27:46and good fortune. Yes, we continue with the axis of events.
00:27:49We go to the fourth file. Cairo
00:27:52and Washington discuss ongoing contacts to stop the escalation
00:27:56in Sudan. A phone call took place between Dr. Abdul Ati,
00:27:59the Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, and
00:28:03Mr. Mas'ad Boules, the senior advisor to the US President
00:28:07for Arab and African affairs on Friday, September 18,
00:28:10within the framework of ongoing consultations between Egypt and the United
00:28:14States on various regional issues and developments.
00:28:17The two sides discussed the ongoing movements
00:28:21and contacts with the aim of stopping the escalation in Sudan, where
00:28:24Minister Abdul Ati affirmed the importance of building on the current efforts
00:28:28aimed at ending the conflict and ensuring the creation of an atmosphere to find
00:28:31political solutions. And upholding the values
00:28:34of dialogue and negotiation, reaffirming Egypt's commitment
00:28:37to preserving Sudan's unity, sovereignty, and territorial
00:28:40integrity, and protecting its national institutions. Dr.
00:28:44Al-Madani, the professor, means the presence of Egypt with its steadfast stance on
00:28:47the country's unity and sovereignty, meaning does
00:28:50it alleviate the unity of the conspiracies being hatched against
00:28:53Sudan?
00:28:55Okay, my dear sister, Egypt's stance on the ongoing war in Sudan
00:28:59is a strategic stance. The
00:29:02first feature of this strategic stance is that
00:29:06Egypt was and still is calling
00:29:09for the preservation of Sudan's unity,
00:29:13calling for dealing with the legitimate
00:29:16Sudanese state institutions, whether
00:29:19it be the armed forces, or the sovereign council, or the executive government, or
00:29:23others. Its stance remained clear despite the pressures.
00:29:27Egypt faced pressures based on accusations
00:29:31and based on a very
00:29:34international level or at the level
00:29:39interests, so Egypt faced great pressures, especially from an ally
00:29:43like the UAE, which has huge investments in Egypt. But
00:29:46despite all that, Egypt understands
00:29:50Sudan, and it knows that Sudan is a strategic depth for Egyptian
00:29:53national security, and it knows that it has moral
00:29:56obligations towards the people in
00:30:00Sudan. So Egypt, through its strategic
00:30:04stance, called for the unity of Sudan, and Egypt continued
00:30:07to work for the unity and legitimacy
00:30:10of Sudanese institutions, and it did not open any door
00:30:13for dealing or cooperating or communicating with
00:30:16the Rapid Support Forces militia in any way.
00:30:20This was the declared stance, of course.
00:30:24There may be stances that are not suitable for public disclosure in
00:30:27the context of supporting the Sudanese state.
00:30:31Also, at the strategic level, Egypt
00:30:34opened its borders to Sudanese people, both by
00:30:38land and sea, by the millions. Yes.
00:30:40And this has not happened and does not happen from
00:30:45country.
00:30:47I mean, we even call it smuggling by the way, and I have traveled on this land route
00:30:51a lot. Even what we call smuggling is actually an entry
00:30:54into Egypt under the eyes
00:30:57of the Egyptian authorities. I mean, if they wanted to stop them,