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00:00:00you won't find the meeting. They discover that the
00:00:03meeting place has been changed, so they say that the communists,
00:00:07the researchers, and the Sudanese Congress
00:00:11this formula. and this is the main problem. are running the meeting. The leadership has changed. People from the
00:00:11the Rapid Support Forces did Umma Party and the Unionist Party go and don't find the meeting. So, when they blamed each other,
00:00:15one of the deceased, may God have mercy on him, said to them, "Honestly,
00:00:18the funding party
00:00:21steadfastness in position for this movement has stipulated to us that any
00:00:24of its people, Islamic force with an Islamic character
00:00:27should not continue with us until the stage after
00:00:30the collapse of the Ansar." From here, the exclusion began. Yes, it actually
00:00:33started. This story, of course, the
00:00:361969 coup failed due to exclusion, and
00:00:39the 1958 handover and transfer failed due to exclusion,
00:00:42and, I mean, this story of the partisan
00:00:46battle with and political club where the banner is passed from one generation to another, no, there is no handover.
00:00:49Al-Sadiq Al-Bahdi once held a forum
00:00:51called Al-Majaya. This was in 2000, as soon as
00:00:55he returned, in 2002. It was called the crisis of Al-Majaya in the Umma Party.
00:00:59Those who were talking about this story were people who started politics in the sixties,
00:01:02you know. So, you gave them a chance from
00:01:06the people to say that there is a crisis of Al-Majaya, even though
00:01:09they have been in Al-Majaya since the sixties. It's a big
00:01:12difference,
00:01:14really big, big differences,
00:01:18The main message big mentalities, meaning the difference in mentalities
00:01:21between them is
00:01:24this I believe, extremely large, unfortunately. Despite this, they only
00:01:29neglecting our inherited failure. I mean, the only thing
00:01:32forum, until they pass on to each other is failure.
00:01:35One person I know was commenting to me, he said, "My brother,
00:01:39They told me not to Muhammad al-Faki is a student
00:01:41be too optimistic. They told me that of Sharif Hussein al-Hindi." And I will say this, some people will be upset,
00:01:44of course. So I said to him, "His student
00:01:46Militia, the signs of its rebellion, the signs in what? I mean,
00:01:47of the coup that you mentioned, what did he learn from him?" For example, al-Faki Sulaiman, a member of the council, yes,
00:01:54intensity he used in the Yes, what exactly did you focus on from the tone of the speech, but in a member of the Federal Assembly, the apprehension this sovereign council, a member of the sovereign council, and now he is the head, yes,
00:01:58very despairing of the former, the former. So, this is Sharif Hussein al-Hindi's student.
00:02:00So I said to him, "Sharif Hussein, exactly, may God have mercy on him. What did he learn from him?
00:02:04I mean, what is the feature that appears in
00:02:08Muhammad al-Faki that makes us say, 'He took it from Sharif Hussein
00:02:11al-Hindi?'" My brother, I said to him, "You, out of mercy for
00:02:15has occurred, and it can change many concepts Sharif Hussein, do not attribute
00:02:15the 2019 formula, what was the worst thing it did in this person to him."
00:02:17what was the most prominent political message So I told him, "We studied this story
00:02:20and we dealt with the leaders. There is no such thing
00:02:23different political forces in as these parties inherited
00:02:24party. The Rapid Support Forces were
00:02:24their harm and their dealings with
00:02:25Well, the people. The successors inherited nothing but failure, unfortunately."
00:02:28Then came 2019,
00:02:31and therefore you were convinced that you should
00:02:34leave. Indeed,
00:02:38And he mobilized a number of people, relies on leaving was not, I mean, it didn't have
00:02:42a reason. We had a media project that we couldn't work on
00:02:45in these circumstances
00:02:48inside Sudan. And on that basis, I traveled,
00:02:53the visions that will be realized in I mean, the circumstances of 2013 or the circumstances of 2019.
00:02:55The rise of the Forces of Freedom and Change to power,
00:02:58I was able to predict it after six months or a year,
00:03:02approximately. I mean, April 2019, I left
00:03:05November 2020. So the idea
00:03:08was that we already had a project that we wanted to establish abroad, a media partnership
00:03:12project.
00:03:17So he emphasized this a specific point, needs And Turkey had laws that allowed this matter. But
00:03:21important aspect without a doubt, the fear for the fate of the country was present,
00:03:24that people should support this yes, and it still is. Okay, Professor Mustafa,
00:03:27I want to interpret the scene that you started with. Professor
00:03:30Hassan, you took me back to 2020, but I want to take you back to
00:03:342019. What did you see in the political scene
00:03:37at that time that was also
00:03:42party, a disaster that you could say was imminent? Where
00:03:46did the collapse begin from the partnership itself
00:03:50General Al-Bashir, even your opponents will not between the military and civilians? Where did you see this?
00:03:53Yes,
00:03:55of the points any observer of the general political scene in
00:03:57Sudan
00:04:00in that during that period was following the disputes
00:04:04that arose among the leaders of the regime themselves. At that time,
00:04:07there were two factions.
00:04:09The head of state at that
00:04:13time had established
00:04:16the Rapid Support Forces on the
00:04:18assumption that they could help protect
00:04:22the regime or protect the rule at that time.
00:04:24changed. This war, over But unfortunately, it became clear that the Rapid Support Forces
00:04:28were a devilish sprout, and we continued
00:04:32to follow, and you all followed this
00:04:34anew, matter. They positioned themselves
00:04:38and this was the frightening thing the Unionists, so they handed in very sensitive areas
00:04:40what he sees as wrong, and he is now doing this and opened indication that there is something important is that this the door for the recruitment of a very large number
00:04:43of them. At that time,
00:04:46the matter of Operation Decisive Storm also came up. A large number
00:04:50of them were given the opportunity to have
00:04:53a huge financial return. The European Union intervened, and I'll show you
00:04:56a complex international issue. The European Union also intervened
00:05:01in the issue of migration, and there was a huge financial return,
00:05:04meaning the Rapid Support Forces were able
00:05:07the army. You tried this in at that time, and we were following this, similarity in the and we were making predictions.
00:05:11in the constitutional document, and you tried it in Even on radio the framework agreement, you tried it before and television, he had
00:05:13a presence in the interviews and so on. It was a very
00:05:16dangerous matter, and it was
00:05:20obvious that anyone with a slight sense of security
00:05:24would have paid attention to this matter. And this is what ultimately
00:05:27led to the leaders of the Rapid Support Forces becoming convinced that they were the ones
00:05:31who could control Sudan and control the destinies
00:05:36I mean, the destinies of the citizens. So, since then, frankly, for me, it was not a surprise, the story
00:05:40of the coup or the attempted coup of the Rapid Support Forces and its rebellion against the state. For me, it was not
00:05:43a surprise because the state at that time began to weaken in internal conflicts.
00:05:47Perhaps people now don't talk about it much, but it began
00:05:51to weaken in internal conflicts and began to weaken
00:05:54by strengthening a voracious military
00:05:58faction at the expense of the armed forces,
00:06:00at the expense of other security forces. So the scene was clear to us,
00:06:04and I was expecting this, but I did not expect, frankly, that such destruction as happened in Sudan
00:06:07would occur at that time. I mean, even now, we are
00:06:10entering the radio. The streets of some parts of Khartoum, some large buildings, it was truly
00:06:13a sad matter, and thank God
00:06:16that the treatments have begun, the restoration of what happened has begun,
00:06:20even though it will take a lot of time. But the return of life,
00:06:23and I came just recently, in the past two days, the return
00:06:27of life to normal, or somewhat normal,
00:06:31all of this encourages people to return and settle down again in
00:06:34Sudan. And ever since I moved to
00:06:37the house after staying in the hotel for a few days after participating
00:06:40in the media
00:06:45I entered television now, I swear by Almighty God, the electricity has not been cut,
00:06:48nor has the water. This is just your weak foot.
00:06:53it's possible. Well, the talk about the Rapid Support
00:07:00perhaps it was one of the messages or one of the things that
00:07:03the President, First Lieutenant General Abd al-Fattah al-Burhan, talked about
00:07:07in his meeting with the media. You
00:07:11four were witnesses
00:07:20to this
00:07:23meeting and attended it.
00:07:26I want to ask all four of you,
00:07:30that you specifically understood from the President's speech
00:07:33at the forum in Bukhari?
00:07:38first of all, and although I like
00:07:41to talk about the many
00:07:44years of the appropriate
00:07:48period, we want to connect people to the speech. We will talk about the most important thing
00:07:51we gathered from the President's speech.
00:07:55I believe that General Abdel Fattah
00:07:57Al-Burhan's
00:08:00statements were largely taken as news.
00:08:03This was not the main point. So,
00:08:07you should always focus on why
00:08:09these messages were sent at this time, the implications
00:08:12of the timing. Who are the people who received these
00:08:16messages, and why were they issued at this
00:08:19particular time? So I think
00:08:21that Al-Burhan's speech as a whole, not
00:08:27analysts and commentators to delve deeper
00:08:30than the news coverage that
00:08:33happened. That's why
00:08:37the President had a very high
00:08:41appetite to speak with the media
00:08:45for this long, I mean.
00:08:48I think four hours,
00:08:51meaning he sat with any
00:08:54and perhaps Professor Hassan also has
00:08:58more analyses.
00:09:01But I will pick up on one point and leave
00:09:05the rest
00:09:07to my colleagues. The most important thing that caught
00:09:11my attention in Al-Burhan's speech was that he
00:09:14spoke with great confidence, as if he wanted to convey a message
00:09:17that the armed forces and the Sudanese army
00:09:20that you saw in the first months of the war are not
00:09:23the army that exists now.
00:09:27Many things have changed,
00:09:30even the international
00:09:34and its view of the armed forces has three and a half years,
00:09:38has given this army a very high
00:09:41ability to rearrange its papers and restructure itself
00:09:47and it has given it strength and training that I believe
00:09:51no other army in the region has had. It has benefited from the circumstances themselves and has matured. Yes, it is now
00:09:54very strong. Therefore,
00:09:58there was an important point that no one else should raise a weapon
00:10:02to take over the power in Sudan again.
00:10:05And that this is the basic equation in the whole matter
00:10:09in the President's speech. I think that Sudan's problem since
00:10:131955 until
00:10:17today is this weapon
00:10:20that is used. It is a weapon
00:10:24for demands sometimes.
00:10:26It is used as a mercenary weapon, as happened in
00:10:30the Rapid Support Forces,
00:10:34So I think that President
00:10:38Al-Burhan, through this sentence,
00:10:41settled many matters, and we hope that this
00:10:46continues, so that no one
00:10:49who carried a weapon will share
00:10:52power and wealth because of this weapon. Dr.
00:10:56Hassan, what was striking to you while you attended the meeting
00:10:59and followed the President's speech? The meeting was
00:11:01a mixture of many
00:11:04emotions, humanitarian
00:11:06emotions, including
00:11:09what
00:11:12you could call political,
00:11:14military, economic
00:11:17discourse.
00:11:21Talk about the missing power itself.
00:11:25The most prominent thing in it was the role of the Sudanese people.
00:11:28The President spoke about the Sudanese people in a way that
00:11:32he said he was unable to express his gratitude
00:11:36to the Sudanese people for their firm stance
00:11:39with the armed forces.
00:11:43in the speech
00:11:44and in the President's remarks,
00:11:49was directed at the people themselves.
00:11:52Because he spoke about
00:11:55things that deserve consideration
00:11:59and deserve
00:12:00that people should reflect on them
00:12:03a lot and analyze
00:12:06them and deserve that
00:12:10people should know the existing contradictions. And what exactly
00:12:14did you focus on?
00:12:17this speech? I focused on the fact that he was
00:12:23the forces that he called several times
00:12:27the amorphous forces, which are the Forces of Freedom and Change. These
00:12:30forces, he had
00:12:34delved into the depths of these forces and dealt with them
00:12:37many times at different times
00:12:41and reached the conclusion that these forces are hopeless in their ability to
00:12:44offer anything to the Sudanese people or to stop
00:12:49foreign parties and the things they are doing now, to stop them from the Sudanese
00:12:53people. This is what I understood. Secondly, his
00:12:56reliance, indeed, he relies
00:13:00on the Sudanese
00:13:02the media. He gave the media a large space and
00:13:06a significant role. And he believes
00:13:09that people who
00:13:13build the future, build
00:13:18the future, and not force.
00:13:21And secondly, he, of course, focused
00:13:26on the executive branch. He focused on it
00:13:30a lot, and he thinks that there are many shortcomings
00:13:33that need to be completed, and that
00:13:37we are not lacking in those capable of completion, meaning that we could have done more than that. The state could have done
00:13:40more than that for the Sudanese people, but
00:13:44the reality is completely different, and that there are many
00:13:47things that need to be avoided,
00:13:51and he spoke about this aspect clearly and frankly,
00:13:55and that the current
00:13:57government needs a lot of effort
00:14:00to reach a stage where it truly represents the Sudanese
00:14:04people and truly
00:14:07represents the aspirations of the Sudanese people.
00:14:10Professor Ismail, it was also reported
00:14:13in the news that you were the most
00:14:16enthusiastic about the President's speech,
00:14:19and perhaps
00:14:21you had an intervention
00:14:25meeting. The news varied. Hassan said this, Hassan
00:14:29didn't say that, Hassan commented on such and such a point. I want to know
00:14:33what was most striking to you and what you said to the President.
00:14:36Look, let me give you the general framework,
00:14:40and then I can comment on the story of the Rapid Support Forces.
00:14:44The general framework is that if you
00:14:47reflect on it, Sudanese politics are repeated
00:14:50pages, I mean, in many of its
00:14:54features or steps or so on. For example,
00:14:56in 1958, people were fed up
00:15:00with the rivalry with
00:15:03over power to Abboud hoping that
00:15:07they would control the Unionists'
00:15:10enthusiasm so they wouldn't win the next elections, and then they would reclaim
00:15:14power. This is exactly what Dr. Hassan Al-Turabi, may God have mercy on him, did
00:15:17in 1989, which was presenting Omar Al-Bashir so that
00:15:20he would confiscate the field, and then after three
00:15:24years, he thought that he would reclaim, reclaim,
00:15:27reclaim power. Look at the
00:15:30features.
00:15:33Nimeiri's relationship with the leftists
00:15:36in 1969. Then in 1971, then
00:15:40the recovery or the revolution,
00:15:44or Nimeiri's return at the expense of
00:15:47the left, Hashim Al-Atta and others. If you review Nimeiri's speech
00:15:50as he talked about the leftists and criticized them and the talk that
00:15:54came out, and that he blames Abdul Khaliq Mahjoub and he blames those people, and that you
00:15:57deceived us, you didn't offer anything to the country and you gave us
00:16:00unrealistic projects. When you look at the feature of President
00:16:04Al-Burhan's speech about the Forces of Freedom and Change alliance,
00:16:08you find these features similar,
00:16:11as if this history, Sudanese history,
00:16:15is circular, and even its radius is very
00:16:18short, meaning it quickly repeats itself. But
00:16:21what I picked up
00:16:24first is that General Al-Burhan has developed
00:16:27greatly in his rhetorical
00:16:30abilities. Of course, military personnel don't have much
00:16:34to do with producing political discourse. That's not the job of military personnel. But
00:16:37when they are forced and find themselves responsible for producing
00:16:41political discourse, they master it more than partisans, by the way. When
00:16:45they are forced, yes, they are the essence
00:16:48of the state. The state became the state, meaning producing political
00:16:51discourse, producing political discourse that connects you with people.
00:16:55General Al-Burhan, throughout his presidency of the Sovereign
00:16:59Council in partnership with the Forces of Freedom and Change, did not speak
00:17:02much. On the contrary, he spoke more. But now that
00:17:06there is a clear
00:17:08story, it is clear that they are gaining this experience. I mean, now
00:17:11if you listen to Hamdok's political discourse in a press conference or so,
00:17:15and he speaks in his lazy and yawning
00:17:18way and so on, and you listen to Al-Burhan, and you listen to Yasser Al-Atta, and you listen to Kabashi,
00:17:22it is clear that the capabilities are different. The capabilities are different not in
00:17:29itself. When we were leaving,
00:17:31I joked with Al-Burhan, I said, "You spoke for two
00:17:35hours." He said, "I actually asked to speak for four
00:17:38hours." He actually said, "I wanted
00:17:41to speak, yes, I wanted to speak for four hours." He, by the way, when he requested
00:17:44it, he specified that he would meet the media for two hours. He requested
00:17:48that the meeting be open, yes.
00:17:52His desire to speak. The second thing is that he was not
00:17:55speaking from a paper, and he spoke about very sensitive
00:17:59and very delicate issues. Issues
00:18:02whose sensitivity lies in the most important takeaway: that he completely severed ties with
00:18:06foreign entities, meaning that foreign entities
00:18:09are now enemies, he has placed them in the category
00:18:13of enemies.
00:18:16justifications for this, saying that all the people who come to us,
00:18:20we hear one thing from them, and then they go out and say something else. And
00:18:23it's clear, this story also, he completely severed ties
00:18:27with the Forces of Freedom and Change. I mean, when you describe
00:18:30them as opportunistic and amorphous forces, what was in it exactly?
00:18:33He described them as amorphous and opportunistic forces. Opportunistic when
00:18:37he said they came and asked me to stay in power for 10
00:18:41years, me and my protection, to be guarding and protecting them for 10
00:18:44years, and they tempted me to be outside the army for another 10
00:18:48years. And the well-known discourse of the Forces of Freedom
00:18:52and Change is civilian democratic transformation.
00:18:55But under the table, they were asking the military to continue
00:18:59for 10, 10 years. And this is exactly the same lies that
00:19:02Nimeiri exposed in his partnership
00:19:05with the leftists.
00:19:08So this is the point of agreement. The second matter
00:19:10is also
00:19:13clear that he, as he said, he
00:19:15reads
00:19:17a lot of documents. He reads,
00:19:21meaning he wants to deal with the media directly without
00:19:24reports, directly. He reads directly
00:19:27and he memorizes, that's what he said, he said I read and memorize.
00:19:31And it's true, I don't know many of the people who write, but I memorize the words. I
00:19:35met him last year, and I found him very affected. Or he is very affected by what
00:19:38is written and what is published. And I even discovered or
00:19:42felt that there was a lot of psychological burden from
00:19:45the negative talk.
00:19:48So it is clear that he also wants to improve the relationship
00:19:52between him and the media.
00:19:55But in this context, I believe that
00:19:59we have restored General Al-Burhan for the sake of the
00:20:01nation, because I told you that the formula of
00:20:052019 was disturbing. A disturbing
00:20:08formula because it was a formula for sabotage, and unfortunately,
00:20:12it relied on partnership with the army,
00:20:15in the matter. But now this formula has been broken,
00:20:19and we have recovered
00:20:22the elements that were partners in this national
00:20:25project. Meaning that it was a failed partnership. Yes, exactly.
00:20:29No, it was a booby-trapped partnership. I mean, you want to bring
00:20:32these army leaders and run under their feet and behind their backs
00:20:35a project to destroy the Sudanese state. I mean, you want General Al-Burhan to be sitting
00:20:39there, and you want the Rapid Support Forces to swallow
00:20:48the framework agreement, and you tried it in the coup of 23.
00:20:52And therefore,
00:20:55it is clear that General Al-Burhan
00:20:58broke He also mentioned in the
00:21:02speech a historical thing, that they met
00:21:06President Al-Bashir, the former president, and talked to him about
00:21:09the necessity of militarizing the Rapid Support
00:21:12Forces. And this is the part where General Al-Burhan
00:21:16also needs advice. We, too, brothers,
00:21:19as media, we also have political responsibilities. What are our political
00:21:22responsibilities? Our political responsibilities are that we
00:21:25must preserve the course of the battle within the national
00:21:28framework, within the framework of preserving national unity. I
00:21:32met him last year and told him, "Your Excellency, you currently have no
00:21:36Al-Bashir. Mr. President, yes.
00:21:40Al-Bashir is now a past event. That past has mistakes, and you are responsible
00:21:44for correcting them now, given that you are the President. Your battle is with whom?
00:21:47Your battle is with, your current
00:21:51battle is with. I pointed out to him, yes. Your current battle is with the Rapid Support Forces, and these people
00:21:55are lined up with you so that you will eliminate the rebellion and eliminate
00:21:59this conspiracy. Therefore, these are your strengths. Do not
00:22:02fight a battle within the national ranks.
00:22:06At least, if we don't say within the national ranks, don't fight a battle within the ranks that
00:22:09support you. And I say this
00:22:13because it is our role. If we don't tell him this, we will be
00:22:19role. Now, before your speech,
00:22:21how did he say, "I have no battle"? He told me that he was, of course,
00:22:25talking about this in the context of clarification: "You say that I expanded the Rapid Support
00:22:29Forces and I increased the Rapid Support
00:22:30Forces."
00:22:33This issue is the responsibility of the Ansar at the level
00:22:37of Omar al-Bashir, and he was saying this with vehemence, with anger,
00:22:40with the same last meeting. So I want to
00:22:44warn, my brother, that there were mistakes in this matter.
00:22:48There are no two or three in Ansar. There were mistakes,
00:22:50and there were many corrections as well. The person who comes
00:22:53after that, the president who comes after that, does not talk
00:22:57about mistakes, he corrects them.
00:23:01And now, for example,
00:23:05Sudan? What was the worst thing it did in Sudan?
00:23:08It made the Rapid Support Forces a political party.
00:23:11It transformed them into a political
00:23:14part of the Ansar and were a fighting group, and in circumstances, I mean, now
00:23:17we can also say that the Forces of Freedom and Change should not
00:23:20blackmail people by saying, "Omar al-Bashir created the Rapid Support Forces." Omar al-Bashir
00:23:24created the Rapid Support Forces as a fighting force. You made them a political
00:23:28armed force. And Al-Burhan is not to blame for this story.
00:23:32You made the constitutional document. You brought
00:23:34the credit for this revolution, should you have taken the Rapid Support Forces and put
00:23:38them in prison with Al-Bashir? Isn't that protecting
00:23:41Al-Bashir? What should you have done naturally?
00:23:45You brought Al-Burhan, but you didn't bring the credit for the revolution. Al-Burhan came with his responsibilities
00:23:48as the army commander. But you came with the credit for the revolution. The first thing you should have done was take
00:23:52Al-Bashir's weapon, which is the Rapid Support Forces, and imprison them with him. But you wanted
00:23:56to establish a partnership with them, and not a partnership at the level of military protection,
00:24:00no. You wanted to create a political formula where the Rapid Support Forces would be a partner.
00:24:03This is the worst thing that was done. This is the worst thing that was
00:24:07done. Now, when General Al-Burhan says to you, "Well, we made mistakes, and these people
00:24:11deceived us, and we are paying the price for what came," he said, "on our heads,"
00:24:14meaning he used the phrase "we paid the price," meaning from us.
00:24:18He said it directly, meaning a leader who lost
00:24:21all his presidential guards, these are heavy prices.
00:24:25Now, General Al-Bashir is correcting these mistakes, and this is the pattern
00:24:29that a leader who does not remain
00:24:32a prisoner of past stations follows. He learns
00:24:36from them. General Al-Burhan, not
00:24:40benefit from this mistake. Yes, because Hassan
00:24:43is always inclined towards Islamists and expresses
00:24:47that he was part of a system that he now criticizes.
00:24:50This is the talk of his opponents. No, look, I'm talking about General Al-Burhan, that
00:24:54now, as a leader, you should not trap yourself in old stations.
00:24:58You overcome them. You overcome, meaning you take
00:25:01lessons, you see the mistakes, correcting them is your responsibility, and you benefit from
00:25:04the present. He is doing this in a good way. I mean, now,
00:25:08how were the Rapid Support Forces established? How did they become a system? Even
00:25:11by the way, we don't want to restrict ourselves by saying that the Rapid Support Forces in 2019
00:25:15were not part of the process. No, we don't want to restrict ourselves to this story,
00:25:19nor to these stations. You are a leader. We, the observers and politicians
00:25:23and analysts, discuss these mistakes. The leader
00:25:26corrects, he corrects
00:25:30well. He is doing it 100% well, and this
00:25:33is what should be encouraged and supported and people should stand behind him because
00:25:37we have one enemy now. I mean, I told
00:25:41them last year, I told him, "Al-Bashir
00:25:44doesn't care about this story. You don't need to be agitated
00:25:48by this issue. You are responsible for correcting
00:25:52the mistakes you found and those that were made
00:25:55after 2019." And it's not wrong
00:25:58that, I mean, the leader's responsibility is to correct, to correct
00:26:02mistakes.
00:26:04Also, I keep telling him that he shouldn't get
00:26:07into a media discussion in media coverage of something that could
00:26:11cause confusion in the media space, like
00:26:14this, and from the womb of the armed forces, yes.
00:26:18I mean, for example, after this episode, after this meeting, some people
00:26:21, I'm sorry I went on for so long, some people
00:26:24sent me the document of the decision to withdraw Article
00:26:275. A lot of it, yes, this article is like this
00:26:31and this article is like that. You are busy with mobilizing
00:26:34people, not stirring up controversy within the cohesion
00:26:37of the national ranks. Don't stir up controversy within
00:26:40it. These advices
00:26:43can provoke anger and stir up, but it is important for
00:26:47a person to say them. I will come back to you and complete the story
00:26:51of the Rapid Support Forces. Professor Mustafa
00:26:53also عزيز Professor Hassan
00:26:56Ismail, and he pointed to specific parts of the speech,
00:27:00and I noticed that you agreed with him on the part about the Rapid Support
00:27:04Militia. What was your impression? What caught
00:27:07your attention in the meeting and in the President's speech
00:27:11and his meeting with the media in conclusion? I think
00:27:14it was the forum. Frankly, the role of the media
00:27:18at this stage and its importance, and then
00:27:21I was blaming those
00:27:23who organized
00:27:27meeting because the
00:27:30meeting was not broadcast
00:27:33in full. I think that was a very strong message to
00:27:37many people, yes, to all Sudanese people.
00:27:39But the issue of Mr. Burhan's
00:27:42meeting with journalists, as I told you, is that he felt the role of the media in
00:27:46this stage, and I said this if I had the opportunity
00:27:49to speak on the platform, I said that the media no
00:27:52longer means its role is just to convey news,
00:27:56but rather to create public opinion
00:27:59and to create events. He
00:28:03agreed with me on this opinion
00:28:05and referred to this also on the platform,
00:28:09and I think that
00:28:12what happened was a great achievement, and a great breakthrough
00:28:17of political forces in dealing and general concepts
00:28:21with in terms of the actions of
00:28:25Sudan.
00:28:27The second and very important thing
00:28:31is Mr. Burhan's speech and his criticism even of the state's
00:28:34preparations. This was not happening for many reasons,
00:28:38because we wanted a government in this specific aspect.
00:28:41He said we don't want a government of doctors or a government
00:28:45of professors that has no relationship with the Sudanese people, that has no
00:28:49such glory. This was a message, yes, it was a
00:28:52very strong message, which he said we want people
00:28:55who feel the concerns of the Sudanese people and work
00:28:59to solve them and to address them. He also said this
00:29:02in his speech on the platform. I said
00:29:05that the duty of the state, the duty of the ruler in general,
00:29:08is to work on the principle of stability,
00:29:11to feed the hungry and to protect from fear. You ensure
00:29:15people's livelihoods and protect their security.
00:29:19aspect, and I think this is a very
00:29:23in the speech, and I think
00:29:27direction and give people the opportunity to criticize
00:29:30and
00:29:33the general performance of governments, the existing governments, this government or the coming government.
00:29:37People should correct
00:29:39their mistakes and propose solutions, and as Brother Professor
00:29:43Hassan Al-Hassi told you, the media's role itself is
00:29:46to correct mistakes and to present
00:29:50some suggestions personally as a media professional or journalist or
00:29:53so on. We all can
00:29:57seek other opinions through political
00:30:00forces or experts or specialists about some
00:30:03government policies. I think it was a successful speech,
00:30:07but I also blame that this speech was not
00:30:10broadcast in full. Even if it was broadcast for an hour
00:30:13in the evening, say what I said live, I am afraid of something happening, but even
00:30:17after the speech ended, it was a strong speech and a great speech.
00:30:21And I conveyed this to the presidential media, Al-Bukhari also confirms your
00:30:25point. Yes,
00:30:28of course, the speech contained,
00:30:31as we mentioned, many and important
00:30:34things, and perhaps
00:30:37the first
00:30:40prolonged speech by Mr.
00:30:43Burhan, I think that the messages contained
00:30:47a large part for the international community as states,
00:30:50and for external organizations
00:30:54or international mechanisms. For example, he talked
00:30:57clearly about the Quartet.