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00:00:00the political forces or experts or
00:00:03at freedom of the press, for example, respect to the brothers in specialists on some government policies. I think it was a successful speech,
00:00:07but I also blame it for not being
00:00:10broadcast completely. Even if the evening broadcast was delayed by an hour,
00:00:13let's say what I said directly. I am afraid something might happen, but
00:00:17even after the speech ended, it was a strong speech
00:00:20was in and a great speech. I conveyed this to the presidential media people,
00:00:23and Al-Bukhari
00:00:30as we mentioned, many
00:00:33and important signals. Perhaps
00:00:37the first important signal
00:00:40freedoms. I think is that this elaboration in
00:00:43in the constitution. It provided the speech of Mr.
00:00:45freedoms in the Al-Burhan, I think that the messages contain a large part for abroad,
00:00:49the international community as states, and abroad
00:00:52as organizations or international mechanisms. For example,
00:00:56of the Islamists who were in there is clear talk about the Quartet,
00:00:59despite the fact that the day before, the Quint
00:01:02met,
00:01:05escape. The issue of them offering but he talks about the Quartet. He said that we rejected the Quartet due to the presence of the UAE, but we deal
00:01:08with Egypt as it is. And after that,
00:01:13of course a rumor. On the same day, also, among as you know, the rest of the countries in the Quartet. Also,
00:01:18Hassan seems the messages were to other countries that are aligned with
00:01:20the rebellion and are also
00:01:24moving the international
00:01:26are given to the factions should come from game from behind a curtain. He also talked about the UAE.
00:01:29Yes, he talked about the UAE explicitly.
00:01:32And I think another
00:01:35important thing in his speech
00:01:39is when he talked about the dialogue that
00:01:42is taking place or the committee that is preparing or paving the way for the dialogue
00:01:46now under the leadership of Qasim Badri. He said that
00:01:50we, this is a very important point, that we will not
00:01:53accept any dialogue
00:01:56that comes with outcomes that the people reject. This is a very
00:02:00important point. Who are the people meant here?
00:02:04that I have a request from They are the groups that supported the army and stood with it
00:02:06and fought and sacrificed
00:02:10I will tell you about them during greatly, and at the head of the military establishment itself.
00:02:12Because he took a very large part of his speech in
00:02:18my brother, it is the story of the early beginnings and how the army
00:02:23a number of suffered and how the army suffered from the siege at that time. How the sacrifices were made by
00:02:26the presidential guard, and this
00:02:28to be freedom fighters. But please allow me on is the point that touched me. You know, it talks about
00:02:31the enemy being about
00:02:33our invitation to dialogue on 20 meters away. Yes, and of course, this
00:02:36scene for the listeners from the colleagues is that
00:02:40you remember this scene or you imagine it while you
00:02:44historic political speech. We, also, on are sitting at the general command, because the meeting took place with
00:02:47Al-Burhan at the general command.
00:02:51to convey many line with steadfastness. And by the way, there are people standing with So this land of the general command contained, as Muhammad
00:02:53Congress itself. There are people standing with Osman Al-Hussein, the former chief of staff, said,
00:02:56nearly 2000 martyrs buried inside the land. In this
00:03:00year, in this war. So I
00:03:04think that his talk about this dialogue,
00:03:07even though there were some demands from the media professionals,
00:03:11they told him that you must
00:03:14the media forum. I expect this adopt this dialogue to strengthen it, meaning as a sovereign council,
00:03:18garrisons system. These garrisons in second request, you should adopt the dialogue. You should not
00:03:19in fact, is for a number say that I am not a party to this dialogue. As
00:03:23The doctor in he mentioned, his adoption of the dialogue
00:03:27gives the dialogue more power, even though he urged dialogue
00:03:31in its early stages. This committee is a committee
00:03:33for preparation, not concerned with the agenda, not concerned
00:03:36with anything from, yes, it is a committee
00:03:40that clarifies or completes consultations and communication with other
00:03:43parties, whether political
00:03:51the paragraphs of this speech is that the President talked
00:03:54about dialogue and that its recommendations and outcomes are implementable
00:03:58unless they violate national constants.
00:04:01You toured the coverage, yes, your comment on
00:04:04this specific part. By God, the entire meeting, in its entirety, as the brothers mentioned,
00:04:08is a historic meeting. The specific part related to the Sudanese-Sudanese
00:04:12dialogue. The Sudanese-Sudanese dialogue, of course, is, I mean, Mr.
00:04:16President thinks that people should dialogue, and it is a
00:04:20desired
00:04:23thing, and there is no impediment
00:04:26to people talking about
00:04:29issues, I mean, issues of power, issues
00:04:32of wealth, issues of economy, the relationship
00:04:35between religion and the state. All of this is an open
00:04:39work. But it should not be a political
00:04:43, the Sudanese army, benefit from
00:04:43status." Yes, exactly. I came dialogue that involves circumventing the basic issues of the Sudanese people. I mean, it should not
00:04:47lead to, for example, recommendations or proposals
00:04:51or they dealt with that would bring back the scene, for example, of
00:04:53the Rapid Support Forces militia or the Rapid
00:04:56is superior in Support Forces rebels. It should not, for example, issue
00:05:00recommendations that would bring
00:05:02crimes are held accountable back to the scene political forces that want to control the fate of the country without
00:05:05elections and without submitting
00:05:08to the will of the Sudanese
00:05:11people and to the ballot boxes of elections in which the Sudanese people
00:05:15decide with their opinion.
00:05:17You can say that
00:05:21the political forces and the rebellion
00:05:25and all these parties
00:05:28should be excluded from
00:05:31the dialogue
00:05:35and from the discussion.
00:05:38And people should express
00:05:42their opinions. Dialogue and dialogue are
00:05:45encouraged by the President
00:05:48and by the media,
00:05:49and
00:05:52that is what is needed. Of course, that is what is needed, and the dialogue committee itself, I think,
00:05:55the dialogue committee itself, I mean, it was on the same day
00:05:58that the head of the dialogue
00:06:01committee resigned on the same day that it was held, unfortunately.
00:06:04The head of the dialogue committee had
00:06:08submitted his resignation, in addition to the fact
00:06:11that it did not affect the dialogue. And it did not
00:06:13affect
00:06:16it. He denied it. He denied it. But
00:06:20if he denied it, then it is
00:06:26the things was that the timing was also intended
00:06:29to undermine the dialogue or
00:06:31undermine
00:06:34the discussion about it among the media professionals.
00:06:38But the space that the dialogue took,
00:06:41I think it was not enough space, even in the name. Even
00:06:45brother Hassan Ismail
00:06:48warned that the dialogue must be taken seriously and must
00:06:52be under the patronage of the state and the interest of the President
00:06:55himself. I, Hassan Jibal, tried to get statements
00:06:58from him about what he said because I saw discussions
00:07:01about Hassan said this, Hassan did not say that, Hassan said this. I was keen to hear from him what
00:07:05he said to the President,
00:07:12confined my words and said
00:07:16the President and three points. In fact, there were
00:07:19two requests that I formulated.
00:07:22the episode. Okay, the first request, I told him, is the same
00:07:25as what the professors and brothers said, that,
00:07:30unfair that this dialogue is confined to this hall
00:07:33and to the memories of the brothers
00:07:36present. So I hope that the President, also
00:07:40in support of local channels, will accept
00:07:46Sudanese channels and say more
00:07:49than this. Because this, as
00:07:52you said, is a real
00:07:56this specific point, extended an invitation to the President to be on
00:08:00Sudan TV and we take this opportunity to renew
00:08:04the invitation.
00:08:06The way to come to all Sudanese channels,
00:08:10the brothers will come
00:08:12and discuss all issues with him. This supports the channels themselves because
00:08:16the space will take from it, and then he will
00:08:20address the Sudanese people more than he addresses the segment
00:08:23of media professionals. This was perhaps the first
00:08:26request. The
00:08:32of journalists who were stationed in the interior
00:08:35and were injured and suffered many
00:08:38losses. I wanted to ask him to
00:08:41adopt them directly with clear and direct
00:08:45support, meaning they should not wait for
00:08:48the implementation of the recommendations that were made to him in the context of
00:08:52protecting journalists and so on. I don't want to say names
00:08:55so that it doesn't get like that, but there are a number of them, and it is very
00:08:59important that we all stand so that
00:09:02they are supported directly by the palace
00:09:06because the journalists, specifically, who were present and who suffered
00:09:09many damages, their role is no less than the role
00:09:12of even the members of the military establishment, because
00:09:16if the people of the military establishment protected the President and protected the institutions,
00:09:20the brothers who were present protected the narrative.
00:09:23For example, our brother Muhammad Hamid Juma, with what happened to him,
00:09:26he had clippings that he sent
00:09:30to a number of people, circulating them to channels
00:09:33in the first month after the injury of Muhammad Hamid. So I also think this is his right.
00:09:37And the two main things are
00:09:40the issue of dialogue. I told them it is very important that you adopt the dialogue
00:09:43yourself, not just adopt it, but sit at the head
00:09:47of the dialogue table, because you have opponents. Yes,
00:09:51because the state has a responsibility. The state
00:09:54has a responsibility towards managing the dialogue between
00:09:58the factions. So when you say committee,
00:10:01by God, that means you are opening the door to other
00:10:04initiatives. I mean, you now, in the media, some people say,
00:10:08my brother, we want to form a committee other than Qasim Badri's
00:10:11committee, and he himself opens a gap in this
00:10:14issue. And in fact, people's trust
00:10:18now in the party club is very
00:10:20shaken and very weak. With all due
00:10:26the committee, they are all professors and there is respect
00:10:29and relations and so on between them. But Mr.
00:10:32Al-Sadiq has a saying that I remember. He
00:10:36was, in the appointment of Imam Abd al-Rahman, he used to collect
00:10:39a group of visions, meaning he formed a group of committees for visions. So there were
00:10:42visions from university professors. So I
00:10:45the secretariat,
00:10:48so he says, "Take the vision," and the last thing
00:10:50was his vision
00:10:53of university professors.
00:10:55So I told him, "I have not seen this vision." He said to me,
00:10:59"My brother, with apologies, I am just quoting. He said to me, 'These
00:11:03academics, you ask them for a vision, and you take
00:11:0620% of it, you implement 5% of it, and you are thanked
00:11:10for the remaining 80%.'"
00:11:14Especially since the matter is political. So
00:11:17he did not mean me in this story, but I want General Al-Burhan to adopt
00:11:21the issue because you are now one of the traps that
00:11:24supports dialogue in Ethiopia and dialogue in Nairobi
00:11:28and dialogue in Geneva and so on, as if these countries want
00:11:32to take the matter for themselves, while this is an inherent
00:11:35right of the state. So don't say, "Well, my brother, we
00:11:39the President gave us guarantees." Why would the President give guarantees
00:11:43in this matter? They said, "Yes, let the committee be the
00:11:46source of handling, meaning the guarantees that
00:11:51the leadership directly to the Sudanese people." You are objecting that people
00:12:04gave something without anything in return, because the person you acquitted
00:12:07of the charges is now working to promote chemical
00:12:10weapons. How can you guarantee that the person coming to the dialogue will say, "By God, this
00:12:14amnesty or this just procedure that I am doing
00:12:17is for the person who comes to the dialogue, not for you,
00:12:20Mr. Hassan, did you drop the charges or just freeze them?" Here is the point.
00:12:24I think our brother, the Minister of Justice,
00:12:28said that the President approved dropping the charges. The statement was about dropping
00:12:31the charges, in addition to the siege.
00:12:34It was distinguished. I wished he would say, "Well, my brother, this
00:12:37amnesty procedure is for the person who believes in the legitimacy
00:12:41of the state and will come to dialogue
00:12:44and so on." But he is still a criminal
00:12:46employed.
00:12:49The strange thing is that the Attorney General, or Lemass, was protesting these charges
00:12:53in the Human Rights Council.
00:13:03He himself, Talal, I mean, Mr. Hassan, excuse
00:13:05me for interrupting, such a measure
00:13:09gives a future opportunity for, for example, anyone
00:13:13to go and curse the state and ally with foreigners
00:13:16and embrace them and then come back. This is a serious matter because
00:13:20they will not come, Abu Khari, but this serious matter,
00:13:23I told General Al-Burhan, I told
00:13:27him that the year is new now.
00:13:30These Sudanese politicians are accustomed to
00:13:34not being held accountable. No politician
00:13:37is held accountable. Yasser Arman burned the Blue
00:13:40Nile. He was received as a hero in the protest
00:13:43square, as a hero, and this is a legacy of struggle. You burn hermitages, you burn
00:13:47mosques, you burn this. This does not exist anywhere in the world. Opposition
00:13:51has limits. You don't oppose the state. You oppose the authority.
00:13:55You don't oppose the country and oppose the army. This
00:13:58Sudanese politician is the only one who has immunity from accountability.
00:14:02A politician is not held accountable for his mistakes and is not punished for saying whatever
00:14:06he wants and doing whatever he wants, and then he becomes a hero. He becomes
00:14:09a hero. And Fadel Allah Al-Munaser said it a month ago. He said,
00:14:13"Brothers, do not be alarmed." He told people, "Do not be alarmed. This story would
00:14:16have continued as a war." He told people, "Do not be alarmed," meaning
00:14:20that if this story had continued, we would have stayed in our government.
00:14:23If there was a reconciliation, we would return to Khartoum guaranteed. Yes,
00:14:27violations, abuses, burning of the country, etc., etc.
00:14:30And he knows where this story is going. And there is a very
00:14:34important and contradictory thing, I mean, that the complaints
00:14:37against journalists are still open and have not been dropped yet,
00:14:40compared to politicians. This
00:14:44issue, I mean, we have a problem with politicians.
00:14:47The privilege that politicians established for themselves
00:14:51and so on is what caused these problems for us. I mean, the story that
00:14:55this politician is guaranteed, "I am a fighter."
00:14:58"I opposed the state, I am a fighter."
00:15:02"I will do anything, burn Heglig, burn the oil, burn this. I am
00:15:06a fighter, I deserve high
00:15:08and reconciled, I am a partner in the government, Mr.
00:15:12Talal, without interrupting Mr. Hassan, the
00:15:15deletion itself was based on
00:15:19political justifications and political opinions. Political opinion
00:15:22is not a problem, but people who committed crimes,
00:15:27by law. The criminal law holds them accountable for the crimes
00:15:30they committed. The armed forces law holds them accountable. And truly,
00:15:33to your words, Dr. Hassan, we had with us Maulana Rawda
00:15:37Idris, the representative of the Public Prosecutor in the committee of crimes
00:15:40and militia violations, and we had with us the guest Nabila Dib.
00:15:44So a discussion took place between the two of them, and she said
00:15:47that as a prosecution, it does not know something called political crimes. It knows that these
00:15:50people have criminal charges open against them.
00:15:53And therefore, yes, according to the law,
00:15:57therefore, the definition of political crime itself is not available
00:16:00to her as a prosecutorial
00:16:03confusion about the issue because political opinion is not a problem at all.
00:16:06This was Maulana's
00:16:17opinion. These are criminal offenses punishable by law. They are striving
00:16:21to confirm the fabrication of chemical weapons, and you know it's a fabrication. I mean, you are
00:16:25not unaware of the matter. You are fully aware that this is a fabrication. Yes, that's right.
00:16:29And you come and, yes, for example,
00:16:32you incite against the Shifa factory today, and tomorrow you become the Minister of Interior,
00:16:36as happened. So, brothers, this
00:16:40cycle must be closed. Yes, this cycle,
00:16:43after that, especially since we resort to the general law
00:16:47of the state. I keep telling General Al-Burhan, "You are
00:16:49lucky." I mean, in Bashir's time and so on, the opposition
00:16:53had weight. John Garang, Farouk Abu Issa, Sadiq
00:16:56Al-Mahdi, Maulana Muhammad Osman Al-Mirghani. Your opponents
00:17:00do not have the
00:17:03East to empower them. The civilian force that ruled at one point, yes.
00:17:41I just heard Maryam Al-Sadiq two
00:17:43days ago,
00:17:46about the Umma Party's stance on so-and-so. So she said, "Well, we
00:17:50agreed that we will not
00:17:52issue a decision to overthrow Fadel Allah Bermnasser, and we will not issue
00:17:56a decision."
00:17:59He sits in his place and organizes in the name of the Umma
00:18:00Party.
00:18:06Okay, this is a party. What is a party? A party
00:18:10has a political line. A party has six political
00:18:12lines. They choke us. The Umma
00:18:15Party, the Umma Party, just the Sudanese
00:18:17Congress. This small Sudanese Congress, this small
00:18:21microscopic entity, has how many political lines? There is a political line with establishment, and a political
00:18:27the state in the Sudanese
00:18:30the state. Okay, what is the party? The party is not
00:18:34so-and-so. The party is a political line, a political line. Okay, when I have a party
00:18:37with 16 political lines, I cannot call it a party. Okay,
00:18:41where do these parties get their funding? I mean, now
00:18:44I am a party leader. I come and talk about corruption.
00:18:48Corruption, corruption. Leave it. Where is your house rented from?
00:18:52It's a party that cannot disclose its funding sources. I listened
00:18:55to Dr. Dr.
00:19:00the Communist Party,
00:19:03Sidgi Kabello, yes,
00:19:08he said that Ali Karti is corrupt because the dismantling
00:19:11committee said he has 90
00:19:12plots of land. 90 pieces of
00:19:16land. So he was in a discussion in a group,
00:19:20I mean, 90 shops. Is ownership
00:19:24in itself corruption? Corruption is the source
00:19:27of ownership. I mean, is there a law that prevents me from having 90
00:19:31or 900? Then what determines it? I told him, "Your words are corruption. The fact
00:19:34that you are sitting in a chair, and you are not a judicial authority. You can
00:19:38rule that so-and-so is corrupt because he has this." Okay, did you take
00:19:42this case to court or not? So these party
00:19:45forces were given an opportunity to establish judicial institutions,
00:19:49to establish the value of separation of powers. They wasted
00:19:52this opportunity. The military,
00:19:55with the investment of General Al-Burhan. General
00:19:58Al-Burhan said, "They came and told us to stay. We want to stay for 10
00:20:01years without a legislative council and without a court." There is a statement
00:20:05by Bakri Faisal denying this issue,
00:20:08and this is not the first time this has been said. This was said by Hamati
00:20:12two years ago. The three
00:20:15years is the biggest proof that these are parties that have no
00:20:18influence. Is it a fabricated narrative? Okay, he said
00:20:22that Hamati in 2021 promised,
00:20:24and Bashir, General Al-Burhan, now confirmed it.
00:20:28General Al-Burhan now confirmed it.
00:20:31So this is, I mean, a force that killed people
00:20:34and killed its public and killed its vital circle in the sit-in square.
00:20:37They conspired and did not bring anyone to trial,
00:20:41as Sadiq Youssef said. He said that the number of people killed from 2019
00:20:44to 2021 is more than the number of people killed from
00:20:482013 to 2019. Due to the sit-in? No,
00:20:51their partners, who said this story, Hamati, said
00:20:55that we agreed on this story. This Hamati participated with us. He was a partner.
00:20:59He said that the story of the sit-in, do not include yourselves in it, because
00:21:03we all agreed on this story.
00:21:06This is what Hamati said, but let's not take Hamati's words. Let's not
00:21:10take Hamati's words. Why did you not bring anyone to trial? Because they are now starting to accuse
00:21:14General Al-Burhan. They went back again and said, "General Al-Burhan, when you were
00:21:18sitting at the feet of the General in the Sovereign Council, why did you not bring
00:21:22him to trial? Why did you not bring the Rapid Support Forces to trial? Why did
00:21:25you not bring anyone to trial?" But they want to exploit
00:21:29this issue and silence it at the moment. A political
00:21:32card, I mean, a card of blackmail, not a political
00:21:36card, a card of cheap blackmail.
00:21:39In front of the sit-in, the force that broke it up so that people would not
00:21:43ask them, they used to say, "By God, the books
00:21:46power were the ones who broke up the sit-in." Okay, the books of Islam,
00:21:50they have no escape from this issue. The issue of breaking up the sit-in, they have no
00:21:55the military to stay for ten years because this is a narrative that Hamati said
00:21:59before, and General Al-Burhan
00:22:01confirmed it
00:22:04now. Okay,
00:22:08to be very biased against civilians,
00:22:12even though he is a civilian. But his
00:22:15opponents accuse him now of supporting and being a backer
00:22:18of the military. Mr. Mustafa Abu Al-Azzam's
00:22:22narration of Hassan, and I think this
00:22:25is a very objective
00:22:29reading of events, and he supports
00:22:32it with evidence
00:22:35and statements that were previously made.
00:22:39And it's not a fabrication. It's not a fabrication against
00:22:41these forces that he referred to,
00:22:44and I think if they had
00:22:48the ability
00:22:50to deny what was circulated, they would have said it at the time,
00:22:54and they would have said, "We will reveal the facts that are coming." And this did not happen,
00:22:57unfortunately. My personal expectation is that during the coming
00:23:00days, there will probably also
00:23:04be a frank meeting, as mentioned by Mr.
00:23:07Hassan, as you pointed out, between
00:23:10General Al-Burhan and
00:23:13political
00:23:15forces that are currently on the scene
00:23:19and between some
00:23:22media professionals. I mean, an expectation, not leaks. I told you
00:23:25expectations.
00:23:28Information from special sources. I expect this to happen within
00:23:31the next two days, no more than two days. And this is in the context of creating an environment
00:23:35for the committee to prepare the ongoing Sudanese dialogue to go in the same direction,
00:23:39and also
00:23:41facts. It will be an opportunity to convey them to the Sudanese
00:23:50there will be an
00:23:54agreement on everything
00:23:57that was put forward in terms of
00:24:01recommendations from
00:24:04because until now, there is no clear action. That's why I said
00:24:07this, I mean, an inference. I expect this. I mean, of course,
00:24:11with journalistic instinct, I feel
00:24:14you have information,
00:24:16but this civilian one refrains from
00:24:29for example, what does that mean? Does
00:24:33it mean, for example,
00:24:37that it opposes the military? I mean, if
00:24:40the military is a force
00:24:43and civilian is a force, then this is a state of conflict.
00:24:47I think the definition of civilian here
00:24:50lacks a lot. Secondly, the civilian
00:24:53forces are also the forces that called themselves civilian forces, forces of freedom
00:24:57and change. They monopolized this title and excluded others.
00:25:01They considered that others do not have the parties, the
00:25:04other political forces, have no relation. The Islamic forces, the national
00:25:08forces, the traditional parties, all of these
00:25:11they consider to be non-civilian forces, and they consider
00:25:15themselves to be only
00:25:18civilians. Then, secondly, civilian
00:25:21has conditions: that you resort to the people, that you hold
00:25:25elections, that you do not
00:25:28engage in work in a transitional
00:25:31government. They did all of these things. They
00:25:34conspired, they conspired even with
00:25:37the Rapid Support Forces,
00:25:41the military. They conspired against democracy itself.
00:25:45I mean, the December revolution, as they call it,
00:25:48did not produce a democratic transition, nor did it lead
00:25:51to democracy. Democracy is
00:25:54perhaps one of the fruits
00:25:57of change, but even people think that even the salvation
00:26:01was more democratic than them. Even if you look
00:26:05during the salvation, we were journalists. We used to write what we
00:26:09wanted during the salvation. When these forces came,
00:26:12they controlled the newspapers and sent the Rapid Support
00:26:16Forces with tanks to the newspaper houses. How is that,
00:26:19Doctor? You hold the matter responsible for the period after
00:26:232019 and absolve 30
00:26:26years of direct responsibility in the same file. You won't be able to
00:26:30blame it all on 2019.
00:26:39But the Salvation provided
00:26:43it provided freedoms in the constitutions,
00:26:47laws. It provided freedoms in practice. It is true that
00:26:51there were confiscations, but all of them were, if you look at them,
00:26:55you will find them within the framework of the public interest. They might be acceptable.
00:26:59But they completely silenced voices and did not allow any
00:27:02other voice to rise above it or to tell
00:27:06them that there are mistakes. Okay,
00:27:09Hassan, of course, because he is a program presenter,
00:27:12he asked me a question about what happened in 32 years. So I will go back
00:27:16to him and break the professional rules. I will not say,
00:27:19but others say that we are now harvesting
00:27:23what the Salvation sowed, and they always use
00:27:26the example that the Rapid Support Forces are a legitimate child
00:27:30of Bashir. And this
00:27:38is the same point that Mr. Hassan, who was a minister
00:27:41of information, referred to. If we are not objective,
00:27:45then it is very important that you also respond to these issues
00:27:48that we are discussing in their context.
00:27:52For example, people blame Bashir for forming the Rapid
00:27:55Support Forces,
00:27:58but we do not blame the rebellion that occurred in 2003. We consider it
00:28:02a struggle. We do not blame the burning of El Fasher Airport.
00:28:05We do not blame the long
00:28:08arm operation.
00:28:11We do not blame the burning of Heglig
00:28:13and Karshola. We consider this to be a problem,
00:28:17and that is a struggle. It is not the problem
00:28:19that the dictionary, the dictionary of political discourse,
00:28:23is based on deceiving people. Khalid
00:28:26Omar, they considered Jibril and Minawi
00:28:35military support for the army, whatever it is, whether it is
00:28:38rapid support or border guards, while it is possible to entice the army
00:28:42modern
00:28:45You don't bring a comb, bring a comb in your forces in a place at a time if you had
00:28:48time, let's explain this story. Let's explain this story. The Sudanese
00:28:52army was founded by the English
00:28:55kitchen. The English kitchen, with the English
00:28:59army, fights with the box system. It
00:29:02moves in a box shape, a box, yes it's effective, meaning its
00:29:06fighting behavior is a defensive behavior.
00:29:09The range of the attack is very limited, meaning
00:29:13it's not a defensive attack, meaning it moves with this box, closes it, and moves
00:29:17and so on, even the
00:29:20cities are present, army garrisons are
00:29:22present. They don't, meaning they don't leave
00:29:26their headquarters.
00:29:29The rebellions in the rebellion of South Sudan,
00:29:32Jaafar Nimeiri fought with the help of supporting forces,
00:29:35and by the way, this is the same pattern. When the English
00:29:39invade, they attack they don't attack with the English army, they don't attack with the main
00:29:42body of the English army, they attack with supporting forces, meaning
00:29:46meaning the opening of Sudan, this Sudanese
00:29:49was not done with English forces, it was done with forces, part Sudanese and part
00:29:53Albanian and part this and part that and part this. The army
00:29:56was established with this school
00:29:58and that's it. It became conservative on the methodology.
00:30:02This, when the rebellion happened in South Sudan, there was a
00:30:06problem in responding to the rebellion. Nimeiri was forced
00:30:09to use supporting forces. Then the Salvation also used supporting
00:30:12forces. Then came the new situation of rebellions in Darfur, which are these
00:30:16mobile forces, which are the people who ride those street vendors, who
00:30:20hit and return. You needed a new pattern. A rebellion that enters
00:30:24the failure. You will not go and say, "By God, a rental pattern."
00:30:27Exactly the same operations. I mean,
00:30:30I think that the reasons. Rather, what created or pushed the government
00:30:34at some point to create the Rapid
00:30:37Support Forces was the pattern of fighting that was produced by the armed movements.
00:30:41Now, we
00:30:45the supporting forces. This is a militia in
00:30:49the same tactics. Now, it is harming
00:30:53the Rapid Support Forces more than the army does, by the way. The army
00:30:59aviation.